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Title: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: 303 Mopar on October 05, 2017, 10:11:54 AM
Has anyone seen a true 1970 plum crazy color and compared it to a 201x plum crazy?  Is it darker, lighter, more metallic?
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on October 05, 2017, 10:28:11 AM
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Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: anlauto on October 05, 2017, 11:55:14 AM
New colour on the Challenger, original on the Cuda
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: 303 Mopar on October 05, 2017, 11:58:27 AM
Quote from: anlauto on October 05, 2017, 11:55:14 AM
New colour on the Challenger, original on the Cuda

Thanks. I've seen plenty of pics and as you know depending on the lighting, camera, angle, trueness of the color etc it can appear to look different.  I was more looking of an opinion from someone who has seen the two colors in person.
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: anlauto on October 05, 2017, 12:08:53 PM
The newer colour is way nicer, deeper, richer more sort of pearl.....great looking....I've dove three factory FC7 cars that colour and most people love it and don't really notice the difference until you park next to an original FC7 painted car.
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 17, 2017, 03:23:14 PM
I did a custom mix on my Car when I painted it & we made a sample so when I stripped my car I compared it to the hidden paint on my car that had never faded & IT matched but the mixes used today from any supplier I could find did not match my original paint
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Cuda Cody on October 17, 2017, 06:36:29 PM
Here's some spray out tests of the original FC7 color.

Left to Right in the photos:

(Left) Original 1970 DQE Enamel
(Center) Solvent base coat-clear coat
(Right) Water based.

They all flop completely different.  The original is not as bright as most people think.  The Water Based is the least pleasing to the eye in person.  Most people will like the base / clear solvent based, but it's not a perfect match.

Sorry, I to not have any spray out tests from the newer version.
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: 303 Mopar on October 18, 2017, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on October 17, 2017, 06:36:29 PM
Here's some spray out tests of the original FC7 color.  Left to Right in the photos:  (Left) Original Lacquer, (Center) Solvent base coat-clear coat, and (Right) Water based.  They all flop completely different.  The original is not as bright as most people think.  The Water Based is the least pleasing to the eye in person.  Most people will like the base / clear solvent based, but it's not a perfect match.

Sorry, I to not have any spray out tests from the newer version.

Thank you @Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1), there is a huge difference when you lay them side-by-side.  I agree the base coat-clear coat is the best of the three.
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 18, 2017, 09:27:20 PM
I have found that the computer monitors & even worse printing ink in magazines is nowhere close to the actual color in person
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Archialfa on October 19, 2017, 08:07:45 AM
Cody,

Do you maybe have the sample for Glasurit? Over here in Croatia I can easily get Glasurit, but PPG not so much. Therefore, I am looking to use Glasurit (code AY2FC7).

Any idea how it will turn out when done? I'm flying blind here.  :stop:
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Cuda Cody on October 19, 2017, 09:10:12 AM
It really doesn't matter what brand of paint you use as long as you stick with the quality lines and do test spray outs.  I've not used Glasurit, but I've heard a lot of good things about it.  Just have your painter do a few test spray outs on the exact primer color with the exact number of coats you plan to use.  Then you'll know if you like and how close it is to the original.
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: torredcuda on October 19, 2017, 09:14:17 AM
http://coloronline.glasurit.com/index.php?language=8

Just put in code, year etc. and it comes right up, pick paint line for formula.
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Archialfa on October 19, 2017, 09:47:08 AM
That's what I did, I have the code, but I am not 100% certain how it will turn out.

To be honest, I'm not aiming for 100% period correct color tone so it will surely look great, but I'm always wondering if it can look better...


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Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: torredcuda on October 19, 2017, 11:32:49 AM
Only way to know is like Cody did - a spray out test and match to a known good sample.
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Archialfa on October 19, 2017, 02:56:15 PM
I agree. The only problem is that in Central Europe finding a true-colored plum crazy Mopar is like trying to find a snowball in hell. :-D


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Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: RUNCHARGER on October 19, 2017, 05:16:58 PM
Ha, ha: I kept a piece of my dutchman off my HemiCuda for many years in case I needed it again (paint was perfect where it was hidden by the trunk lid). I ended up giving it to a friend a few years ago. I agree that back in the day most plum crazy cars didn't look all that great. It didn't take long in the sun for the paint to fade and a lot of them peeled within the first year leaving grey primer patches.
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: anlauto on October 19, 2017, 06:00:25 PM
I don't think you'll ever get it exactly right with today's paints and the fact that nobody really knows what is exactly right only adds to the problem.
The last FC7 car I did trying to match the original colour, looked excellent.....had several locals view the car and everybody agreed the colour looked  really good  :dunno: Once the owner got it home and parked it next to his other FC7 cars, he says it's too light ? My first question to ask would be maybe his other car are too dark ?  Who really knows ? I think it would be hard to get two cars exactly the same unless they're painted at the same time with the same mix of paint...even how the paint is mixed, of different brand name paint will results in slight different shades :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: RUNCHARGER on October 19, 2017, 06:05:03 PM
Yup: And forty five years later memories are hazy,
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Cuda Cody on October 19, 2017, 07:22:47 PM
I will agree that most people that see the correct original FC7 think it's too light.  We have gotten conditioned to a brighter and darker FC7 over the years and it looks "better" to most people than the original shade.  I can get gnat a$$ close to the original, but I prefer to error on the darker side so it looks good to people too.  In the end, it's your car so do whatever makes you happy!    :D

Quote from: anlauto on October 19, 2017, 06:00:25 PM
Once the owner got it home and parked it next to his other FC7 cars, he says it's too light ? My first question to ask would be maybe his other car are too dark ?  Who really knows ? I think it would be hard to get two cars exactly the same unless they're painted at the same time with the same mix of paint...even how the paint is mixed, of different brand name paint will results in slight different shades :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Dakota on October 20, 2017, 03:01:20 AM
I think mine ended up towards the darker shade of the samples Cody showed, but hard to tell when the car is by itself.   This picture was taken before I took the car apart (yes, I'm pretty much doing everything in reverse of the logical order, but it was the best I could do under the circumstances).   There isn't another FC7 anything in this area that I've seen.

Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: torredcuda on October 20, 2017, 07:07:42 AM
Quote from: Archialfa on October 19, 2017, 02:56:15 PM
I agree. The only problem is that in Central Europe finding a true-colored plum crazy Mopar is like trying to find a snowball in hell. :-D


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Try to find someone that can send you a sample piece
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: quapman on October 20, 2017, 04:12:00 PM
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4482/37507164572_218148fb10_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Z9o2if)DSCN1639 (https://flic.kr/p/Z9o2if) by Steve Moore (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150345738@N02/), on Flickr

This car was painted with Omni plus base, the majority of the car was done with SPI clear. I painted the hood with a completely different batch of paint mixed in a different store in a different state. Mine has Omni Plus base and Acme clear.
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 20, 2017, 04:56:06 PM
The original FC7 behind the brake support plate on the firewall was quite dark & the custom mix we sprayed out to test was an exact match most I have seen are lighter then mine
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: RUNCHARGER on October 20, 2017, 05:40:57 PM
I don't think monitors will show it just right but this was Centari (single stage for you younguns) and it was a dead on match for the paint I found on the dutchman.
Man that is a colour that is hard to lay down in single stage I'll tell you.
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on October 20, 2017, 08:42:56 PM
70 Hemi Challenger, picture taken in 1970....  Now you decide how much the color of the photo has changed in 47 years..... Then figure out how much your monitor alters the color... :rofl:   What you can tell is that even in 1970 the paint gloss was already dieing out...
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 20, 2017, 10:56:58 PM
FC7 was the worst color , the paint fell off the cars unless they were put indoors & virtually every car was repainted or painted a different color very shortly , when mine was 6 years old it had already been painted white which held up just fine into 2009 when I finally got around to restoring it .
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on October 20, 2017, 11:26:13 PM
My family was overseas from 69-73, when we returned a neighbor in 73 had a Plum Crazy Barracuda.... It was more white then purple because the paint had died so badly...
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: RusTy/SE on October 24, 2017, 07:34:02 AM
The shop which had my Challenger had suggested PPG Dark Plum Pearlcoat as an option to the original Plum Crazy; this was 2009-2010. 

I asked for a quick spray out on a junk door.  Here it is as another look at what (PPG 2210 in this instance) might look like.

I also added a pic of my FC7 car in sunlight with some of the vinyl top removed :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Plum Crazy - Then and Now
Post by: Archialfa on October 24, 2017, 02:05:30 PM
I found my target color: Prowler purple!

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