At SEMA 2017 Mopar is announcing the 6.2L Hellcrate. Much like the 6.4 and 6.1, Mopar can supply everything to swap a Hellcat engine into a classic.
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Very cool, I was waiting for Mopar to do this! That would be a fun swap for sure!
Price projection?
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but Dan .... you just finished the 392 swap ... are you considering the next level already? :burnout: :stayinlane:
Quote from: ec_co on October 30, 2017, 07:45:37 AM
but Dan .... you just finished the 392 swap ... are you considering the next level already? :burnout: :stayinlane:
Maybe the Charger ? Or the vert ? :notsure:
Quote from: Roadman on October 30, 2017, 07:50:10 AM
Quote from: ec_co on October 30, 2017, 07:45:37 AM
but Dan .... you just finished the 392 swap ... are you considering the next level already? :burnout: :stayinlane:
Maybe the Charger ? Or the vert ? :notsure:
That would be sweet in the Charger! Then put the 505 in the vert. :banana: :takemymoney:
Yee Haw !!! :veryexcited:
Quote from: Chris Pauluk on October 30, 2017, 07:36:50 AM
Price projection?
In the first pic it lists the prices, close to $23k for engine, harness, and pullies. Then you need all the essentials (EFI fuel system, headers/exhaust, radiator, etc) so you'll be close $27-30k by the time its done. But maybe
@MoparDave (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mopardave_10) can give us a discount... :takemymoney:
I would probably swap the Hell crate into the Cuda & swap the 392 into the vert & leave the Charger Alone :alan2cents:
In Typical mopar fashion the moparhemicrate.com redirects you to mopar.com which has NO info on these kits. Holding out for the SEMA release it seams. And it wont be published to the dealers in normal communications. SO thanks to 303 for posting that.
Currently on major restriction but Anyone interested in pricing pm me or email me direct. they show 159 engines in stock
Thanks for the update Dave :bigthumb:
Quote from: MoparDave on October 30, 2017, 08:54:09 AM
In Typical mopar fashion the moparhemicrate.com redirects you to mopar.com which has NO info on these kits. Holding out for the SEMA release it seams. And it wont be published to the dealers in normal communications. SO thanks to 303 for posting that.
Currently on major restriction but Anyone interested in pricing pm me or email me direct. they show 159 engines in stock
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on October 30, 2017, 08:42:23 AM
I would probably swap the Hell crate into the Cuda & swap the 392 into the vert & leave the Charger Alone :alan2cents:
@MoparDave (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mopardave_10) I don't see any direct cold-air intake injection or way of keeping that supercharger cool, just the same filter that's on my 392.
@Chryco Psycho (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/chryco-psycho_4) that would be best way to go.
Also lets clarify the Warranty statement that is incorrect. the engine is the only item that will have the 36/unlimited, the other items are standard parts/accessories not power train. those will only have a 24/24.
valid accessory part numbers are
77072452 price is a guestimate as it is UNpriced.
77072492 price is good
77072491 price is incorrect as it is UNpriced.
While it would be cool to have the Cuda & Charger with the 3rd gen Hemis , I don't think the 505 tq monster is the best idea for a convert so the best fit would be the 392 in the vert IMO :alan2cents:
Quote from: MoparDave on October 30, 2017, 11:04:29 AM
303 I have asked my mopar connection that is at sema to ask about this.
When is he just going to give us tickets to SEMA? It would make things a lot easier.
Cool stuff! :bigmoney:
Quote from: Brads70 on October 30, 2017, 11:17:52 AM
Cool stuff! :bigmoney:
:thinking: Hellcat Javelin. :idea:
Quote from: Roadman on October 30, 2017, 11:30:05 AM
Quote from: Brads70 on October 30, 2017, 11:17:52 AM
Cool stuff! :bigmoney:
:thinking: Hellcat Javelin. :idea:
I was going to say that but figured Alan would have a heart attack ! :rofl:
We need an E-Bodies.org representative at Sema. ;)
Quote from: 303 Mopar on October 30, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
Quote from: MoparDave on October 30, 2017, 11:04:29 AM
303 I have asked my mopar connection that is at sema to ask about this.
When is he just going to give us tickets to SEMA? It would make things a lot easier.
I volunteer !!
How much is the replacement factory intercooler ?
That's cheap HP actually.
By mopar standards you mean Sheldon? LOL it's like 5k more than the bow tie boys and their 650hp LT4 crate. Way cooler tho! I want one for an airboat!! Hellboat!
Sounds great, that would be fun.
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I'm thinking one of these in a E-Body should be quicker than a Hellcat. it's a good 800 lbs lighter if I read the specs right. :D
Done right you should be able to get 700 hp from a big bl;ock for around $12-14k but that can climb if you replace the block which iprobably should be done at that HP level .
he Chev LS would be cheaper , generally are .
My friend Greg spent $20k on a crate 572 Hemi and it dynoed around 700 and not the 800 it was supposed to. The Intercooler is no big deal if you think out of the box, I made one up for Greg's Supercharged NSX and it was pretty easy.
Press conference and official announcement. And Graveyard Carz stuck a hellcat engine in their RR made into a Superbird. :banana:
Hellcat Superbird and a 392 in Chris Jacobs' GTX at SEMA
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Maybe it's just me but somehow I wince a little looking at the Hellcat engine in a Superbird, just doesn't look right/belong somehow....? :dunno:
Don't worry Brad, it wasn't a real super bird, it's a 70 RR they build a clone from
Quote from: Moparman82 on November 02, 2017, 06:58:00 AM
Don't worry Brad, it wasn't a real super bird, it's a 70 RR they build a clone from
I figured that by it not having any fender tags.... but still....... :stop: unless your doing a full protouring type car. Just my :alan2cents:
Man, it's a good time to be a car guy! :inlove: :veryexcited: :takealook:
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But with $$
6.2 Hellcat Engines in stock. HERE !! wiring kits are due in December. And we supply the supercharged plastic covers. Since the production engines don't come with.
Wow 30k for engine must be nice to be rich. The way things are going are we going to start putting electric motors in our classic cars.
Quote from: Cuda70-74 on November 23, 2017, 04:25:39 AM
Wow 30k for engine must be nice to be rich. The way things are going are we going to start putting electric motors in our classic cars.
Hellcrates are $15k...
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+ all the extras , different oil pan , rad & fans , fuel tank etc it all adds up quick
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on November 24, 2017, 06:15:57 PM
+ all the extras , different oil pan , rad & fans , fuel tank etc it all adds up quick
Pretty sure I've been down that road..and it's nowhere near $15k for that.
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goes with the territory of building that car you have to have. We all know its cost to do what we want to these cars. Build a 528 or 572 hemi and stuff that into a car. Same issues, just different perspective. your into that engine for just 20k+ on a 528. plus all of the other support components needed.
:alan2cents: in the end it is all expensive regardless of an OEM build or a restomod powertrain.
Quote from: MoparDave on November 27, 2017, 05:39:54 AM
goes with the territory of building that car you have to have. We all know its cost to do what we want to these cars. Build a 528 or 572 hemi and stuff that into a car. Same issues, just different perspective. your into that engine for just 20k+ on a 528. plus all of the other support components needed.
:alan2cents: in the end it is all expensive regardless of an OEM build or a restomod powertrain.
:iagree: The faster you want to go, the more money it will cost ya. I would already have this Hellcat engine in my Cuda if I didn't do the 392 last year. :takemymoney:
Does anyone think this engine swap would be okay if I have plans on making my Cuda a daily driver?
Quote from: cashmoneyerick on December 20, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
Does anyone think this engine swap would be okay if I have plans on making my Cuda a daily driver?
This video might answer that for you.
http://www.tflcar.com/2017/08/is-the-dodge-challenger-hellcat-a-good-daily-driver-long-term-update/
How tall is that guy in the video?
Quote from: CudaMoparRay on December 20, 2017, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: cashmoneyerick on December 20, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
Does anyone think this engine swap would be okay if I have plans on making my Cuda a daily driver?
This video might answer that for you.
http://www.tflcar.com/2017/08/is-the-dodge-challenger-hellcat-a-good-daily-driver-long-term-update/
Limiting this information to the engine only and not the Hellcat body as it will be in your ebody the front spoiler curb damage is non existent as are other Hellcat body related problems. Although, an older ebody may bring problems of its own.
Guess I'll go sit in one and find out.
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I guess there are negatives and positives to it. But I'm young, only 26. so I guess if I can make it happen anytime soon, it would be well worth the fun
Quote from: cashmoneyerick on December 20, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
Does anyone think this engine swap would be okay if I have plans on making my Cuda a daily driver?
As long as you can insure it well enough and properly. Id have no problems turning my 'Cuda into a daily with how it is setup today.
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Quote from: GoodysGotaCuda on December 20, 2017, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: cashmoneyerick on December 20, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
Does anyone think this engine swap would be okay if I have plans on making my Cuda a daily driver?
As long as you can insure it well enough and properly. Id have no problems turning my 'Cuda into a daily with how it is setup today.
:iagree: Except I only have a 392 not a Hellcat engine which maybe overkill for a true daily but I would love to give it a try! :banana:
What would be wrong with a modern engine with a warranty in a older body / daily driver , just makes sense to me :bigthumb:
Has any member on this forum dropped one of those hellcrate engines into their car?
Quote from: cashmoneyerick on December 26, 2017, 09:44:10 AM
Has any member on this forum dropped one of those hellcrate engines into their car?
I have 3 customers doing 4 of these HELLCrates . NO feed back yet.
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on October 31, 2017, 02:18:20 PM
Done right you should be able to get 700 hp from a big bl;ock for around $12-14k but that can climb if you replace the block which iprobably should be done at that HP level .
he Chev LS would be cheaper , generally are .
BUT, the HellCat engine is factory assembled, no second guessing, and good gas milage. PLUS a 3 year warranty. NO way you are getting ANY of that on a home build!
Just ain't gonna happen. $15 large for the HELLCAT. Reliable Factory built HP. Good gas milage. (relatively speaking) Can't beat that with a stick. It really is a no brainer, to me.
CHEAP HP! The real cost is upgrading the car to handle all of that HP.
I ate beans and rice for 5 years when I bought my Grand National at 24yo on a $22k per year salary back in 1987. It was worth every penny.
I can do it again, if need be. I need to shed a few pounds anyway! lol.
Yes: The value is huge for the cost these days I think.
Quote from: cashmoneyerick on December 20, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
Does anyone think this engine swap would be okay if I have plans on making my Cuda a daily driver?
Why not , you have a brand new engine with a warranty that will run well , idle in traffic etc without issue as long as the conversion is done professionally & though out as a complete package , better brakes suspension tires etc it will be a great driver .
If needed I can help you build it too .
Im still curious to see if anyone has been able to throw one of these engines in their e-body?
I'm assuming you can't just drop the engine into the engine bay, I'm very interested in all the challenges that you need to over come to get it functioning properly.
I'm working on getting my Cuda registered before I strip it all apart and get some body work done. Wanted to start thinking of a plan on where to take the car once that is complete.
There's a thread going at this very time on here. I think 71Cuda is the member doing the conversion.
303 did his 6.1 install almost exactly 2 years ago now , he did a very detailed thread on it