I've happened upon a set of new W2 Race heads for about half of what Jeg's has them for. They are unused and have a little surface rust and have never been built so they need everything. To be confirmed but I think they are the "Race" head and have 65cc chambers. Really don't have the funds for them but they could play well into future build goals. I know they need unique intakes and headers and the Race version needs special rockers and all that. I need to price it out to see if I can cope with it.
But, how are they going to act on the street with a decent cam? Not full drag race cam but something livable with an automatic for the time being and a dual plane intake? 450-500 hp fairly easily achievable on a '71 340 motor? Or do they flow so much that they aren't usable for a street car?
Awesome heads , they will work great on the street :twothumbsup:
Cost is the Only downside , they should have dual pattern so you can use std headers but you will need special rockers , intake , valve covers , pushrods .
I would be tempted to stroke the build to 408 CI
Yes: Stroker and larger heads make for a great combo. If you can get the heads for a good deal you can put the other stuff together as funds allow.
If you can get the casting or part number from the seller that should tell you what exactly it is that you are looking at. :popcorn:
You guys are a bunch of enablers. I love it.
Casting is P4532693.
Asking price is just over what Jeg's wants for a single head. So I'd be $600 ahead in finishing them.
Number on the box is P5349770. I believe these are the race, not Econo heads and should have 65cc combustion chambers. So I can't swap any of the valve train from the stock J heads. They'd be going on a 71 340 that I think has stock pistons. Any guess as to the final compression ratio? I can get 93 octane here no problem and my BMW M5 has a 11:1 compression on an all aluminum motor. I don't mind running the good stuff.
I'll start looking into what it would cost to put valves and everything in them. I've got time and should be able to do it in my budget. Stroker is down the road so I would plan to use them as is for now in the 340and probably port them a bit if/when the stroker kit goes in.
If my memory serves me correctly my brother had custom pistons made for his W2 topped 340 It had something to do with 10:2 compression and proper quench. I believe the pistons cost him $500 from JE back in 2002.
Quote from: gzig5 on April 30, 2018, 05:45:26 PM
You guys are a bunch of enablers. I love it.
Casting is P4532693.
Asking price is just over what Jeg's wants for a single head. So I'd be $600 ahead in finishing them.
Number on the box is P5349770. I believe these are the race, not Econo heads and should have 65cc combustion chambers.
As an "enabler" ... here's an good read on prepping W2 heads on the Hot Rod Network ...
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopp-0111-porting-the-magnificent-w2/ (http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopp-0111-porting-the-magnificent-w2/)
stock head is 68 CC so you might be up 1/2 point near 10.5 compression depending on head gasket used so I don't see any issue , quench is key / vital , the heart shaped chamber should kill detonation too , I do not have the part # handy but I bought 4 of these heads & we built 2 engines with them , I should have kept a set maybe but I didn't have a small block project in mind .
Grab them go slow & build it !!
I have no info for you besides listen to the folks here and cheerios are fine in my book so go for it.
I'll be in Grafton this weekend for a soccer tournament ... buy the heads ... flip 'em to me for an extra "Benjamin" or two ... eat well for lunch for the rest of the year! 8)
Quote from: RzeroB on May 01, 2018, 07:37:14 AM
I'll be in Grafton this weekend for a soccer tournament ... buy the heads ... flip 'em to me for an extra "Benjamin" or two ... eat well for lunch for the rest of the year! 8)
I'm texting with the guy now. Seems that they are the 55cc small chamber, not the 65 so compression with my 71 motor may be an issue. :( Says he has rockers too. Mopar Performance Valves don't seem to be available anymore in the long length. Somebody has to have them though if they are still selling the bare heads.
If the calculator I used is correct. Starting with 10:1 compression and a 68cc head going with a 55cc chamber would kick it up to 11.6:1. That's a bit on the high side for an iron head and 93 octane, is it not?
Tom,
I'll let you know what happens. Kinda funny, I grew up in St. Charles so I get back to the St. Louis are at least once year. If it don't work out this week all is not lost.
Greg
looks exacty like the heads I used on a 408 stroker in a Lil Red
I would go for it , I can forward some cheerios
:iagree: Excellent idea Neil ... we can start a "Go-Fund-Me (for lunch cause I used my lunch money to buy these W-2 heads) Page for Greg!! :yes:
Yeah: Those look great. If you change your mind you will have no problem reselling them. I'll never forget the first time I seen a set of W-2's in action. Jim Wanner blew up the Hemi in his SS/DA Cuda. Swapped in a 383 and it ran pretty well, swapped in a 440 with Stage IV's and it ran better, swapped in a 360 with W-2's and it pulled the wheels and ran into the 10's first pass, made those big blocks look sick.
You will notice the dual bolt pattern around the exhaust port so regular large tube headers will fit .
What rockers does he have , T&D ?
Rockers are Crane, so I'm not sure they are correct for the application. Literature on Jeg's says that after 2001 these need the T&D rockers. Going to call T&D today and find out how much for their rocker system.
The 55cc small chambers concern me though. I found a calculator that showed all else equal, going from a 68cc chamber at 10:1 to a 55cc would end up with 11.6:1 which is too high unless you're running race gas or octane booster which I'm not willing to do.
I guess I could run a thicker head gasket and shave a few tenths of compression? What do you engine gurus think? Other than compression ratio being higher for a given engine, is there a benefit to the smaller chamber?
I could go to a different piston, but that level of engine work isn't in the budget for a couple years. Was hoping to plop them on with an intake and headers as-is. Ah well, it's always a compromise.
11.6 on pump gas with iron heads will be tough , quench will help but I doubt you could put load on the engine below 2500 rpm at all without detonation .
T&D Rockers will run approx $1000 for the set
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 02, 2018, 07:37:58 AM
T&D Rockers will run approx $1000 for the set
Just off the phone with them. $1522. :Thud:
Costs money to go fast I guess.
Quote from: gzig5 on May 02, 2018, 09:51:40 AM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 02, 2018, 07:37:58 AM
T&D Rockers will run approx $1000 for the set
Just off the phone with them. $1522. :Thud:
Costs money to go fast I guess.
Very true.... they do nice work though. They made me a custom set for my stage 6 heads. I sent them a head and they figured out the rest.
was thinking it was $1500 canadian , that is 2k :bricks: