What's all is required - to call a Car "numbers matching" and "Stock original"?

[cuda_t]

Howdy,

Had a discussion with friends [disagreement], so putting it into the community here, for the truth.

Thanks for replies.

[1970 cuda Joe]

You'll get lots of different answers here on that question.
Numbers matching is a loose term these days. It could mean block casting date, VIN matching parts.
 
Stock original should mean how it was originally but doesn't always mean that.

The term I see is "Born With" components. That should mean the engine, trans, rear end, etc should be the ones that were installed on the assm line when "that" car left the factory. People do restamps & try to say it's born with.

A car is only original once

Confused?....me too....Joe

[torredcuda]

Good info here -
https://www.e-bodies.org/buying-your-first-e-body/vin-numbers/

I`ve heard a lot of different opinions on both matching numbers and stock original. To me numbers matching is at minimum vin tag, body numbers, engine and transmission numbers; bonus for fender tag, broadcast sheet and door sticker. Stock original would mean everything on it is exactly as it left the factory, if anything was replaced it would no longer be original but restored/modified. Of course the most mis-used word in the car hobby is "restored".

[larry4406]

Good info here -
https://www.e-bodies.org/buying-your-first-e-body/vin-numbers/

I`ve heard a lot of different opinions on both matching numbers and stock original. To me numbers matching is at minimum vin tag, body numbers, engine and transmission numbers; bonus for fender tag, broadcast sheet and door sticker. Stock original would mean everything on it is exactly as it left the factory, if anything was replaced it would no longer be original but restored/modified. Of course the most mis-used word in the car hobby is "restored".

I always get a kick reading about "frame off" restorations of unibody Mopars!

[pschlosser]

Another way to describe "numbers matching" is no discrepancies.  All those places where there ARE numbers (VIN, partial VIN, etc.) they all jive and match.  We could list the places, like title document, engine, transmission, dash pad, door jam, fender tag, broadcast sheet, and assorted sheet metal, but some of these can be missing, and it be legitimate and acceptable.  But when any of those sources DOES NOT match, it's hard to give the "numbers matching" badge of honor.

[cuda hunter]

Numbers matching is definitely every location that has the vin is matching. 
A proper numbers matching car will have everything.  BS,FT,VT,Monroney,cowl and radiator stamps, Engine , Trans, warranty card. 
  The less of those, the less it is numbers matching.

Stock ORIGINAL  is as it's name suggests.  ORIGINAL equipment on the car from day one. 
Stock can be without the original parts but replaced with matching parts.  Stock original has to have those original and matching parts. 

A survivor is an entire other world.  Survivor being a car that has had no changes in it's life.  No paint change, no motor change, no alternator change, no nothing changed.  Same dirt on the drivers carpet since 1970.