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Started by THE ZUKE, February 24, 2019, 07:11:10 AM

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THE ZUKE

Quote from: RUNCHARGER on February 24, 2019, 09:16:18 AM
Another upgrade we like to do is to use Tie rod ends and adjusting sleeves from a 1969 Chrysler. They are larger than the Barracuda ones but fit the same.

@RUNCHARGER, you told me "They are larger than the Barracuda ones but fit the same".

Could you explain me because I ask myself some questions about this.

They are larger but fit the same, how is it possible ?

THE ZUKE

@RUNCHARGER and @Chryco Psycho, these questions before ordering the good pièces. ;)

Thanks to you for your answers.  :bigthumb:

RUNCHARGER

Ah yes: My wording was confusing. The swivel ball is larger and the adjusting sleeve and threaded adjusters are larger diameters. The studs which fit into the steering knuckles (lower balljoints really) are the stock Barracuda size. So the tie rod is more robust but will fit in the stock Barracuda location.
Sheldon


THE ZUKE

Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 02, 2019, 12:56:27 PM
Ah yes: My wording was confusing. The swivel ball is larger and the adjusting sleeve and threaded adjusters are larger diameters. The studs which fit into the steering knuckles (lower balljoints really) are the stock Barracuda size. So the tie rod is more robust but will fit in the stock Barracuda location.

Ok @RUNCHARGER , I understand better than previously but that means that I should change the PST sleeves.

Because the threaded rods will be bigger or not?

I don't know the original ribs because I don't have the original sleeves of the cuda but a PST model.

On a photograph I noted the coast I climbed to the caliper.

Is this the original coast or is tie rods end bigger than those of origins?

I do not know at all...

THE ZUKE

#19
I found this link about my tie rod sleeves : https://p-s-t.com/i-23157806-11-16-solid-steel-adjustable-tie-rod-sleeve.html

My car has this model but I don't know which tie rod end model I need (about axis).

Brads70

Quote from: THE ZUKE on March 02, 2019, 02:29:30 PM
I found this link about my tie rod sleeves : https://p-s-t.com/i-23157806-11-16-solid-steel-adjustable-tie-rod-sleeve.html

My car has this model but I don't know which tie rod end model I need (about axis).

If I understand your question? You don't necessarily " need" the larger C-Body 11/16 tie rods but a lot of people use them, myself included. Neil quoted you the C-Body part numbers if you wish to use them. They will work with the PST part you linked to.

Quote from: Chryco Psycho on February 25, 2019, 01:40:07 PM
Es355RL & ES352R
are the tie rods that will fit & are heavier duty
This is the part# for the sleeve  10510049

THE ZUKE

#21
Quote from: Brads70 on March 02, 2019, 05:11:26 PM
Quote from: THE ZUKE on March 02, 2019, 02:29:30 PM
I found this link about my tie rod sleeves : https://p-s-t.com/i-23157806-11-16-solid-steel-adjustable-tie-rod-sleeve.html

My car has this model but I don't know which tie rod end model I need (about axis).

If I understand your question? You don't necessarily " need" the larger C-Body 11/16 tie rods but a lot of people use them, myself included. Neil quoted you the C-Body part numbers if you wish to use them. They will work with the PST part you linked to.

Quote from: Chryco Psycho on February 25, 2019, 01:40:07 PM
Es355RL & ES352R
are the tie rods that will fit & are heavier duty
This is the part# for the sleeve  10510049

Ok thanks @Brads70 for explanations.

You confirm that on my Cuda, the diameter of the threaded portion of the tie rod end that is screwed into the sleeve is larger than that of an original model.

By changing the tie rods end, should I order 2 pieces Es355RL & 2 other pieces ES352R. One ES355RL and one ES352R for the right side and the same for the left side


Brads70

Quote from: THE ZUKE on March 03, 2019, 01:56:58 AM
Quote from: Brads70 on March 02, 2019, 05:11:26 PM
Quote from: THE ZUKE on March 02, 2019, 02:29:30 PM
I found this link about my tie rod sleeves : https://p-s-t.com/i-23157806-11-16-solid-steel-adjustable-tie-rod-sleeve.html

My car has this model but I don't know which tie rod end model I need (about axis).

If I understand your question? You don't necessarily " need" the larger C-Body 11/16 tie rods but a lot of people use them, myself included. Neil quoted you the C-Body part numbers if you wish to use them. They will work with the PST part you linked to.

Quote from: Chryco Psycho on February 25, 2019, 01:40:07 PM
Es355RL & ES352R
are the tie rods that will fit & are heavier duty
This is the part# for the sleeve  10510049

Ok thanks @Brads70 for explanations.

You confirm that on my Cuda, the diameter of the threaded portion of the tie rod end that is screwed into the sleeve is larger than that of an original model.

By changing the tie rods end, should I order 2 pieces Es355RL & 2 other pieces ES352R. One ES355RL and one ES352R for the right side and the same for the left side

Yes the original thread size I believe was 5/8" , yes you will need 2 of each as they are inner and outer  tie rods plus 2 adjuster sleeves.

THE ZUKE

Quote from: Brads70 on March 03, 2019, 05:49:19 AM
Quote from: THE ZUKE on March 03, 2019, 01:56:58 AM
Quote from: Brads70 on March 02, 2019, 05:11:26 PM
Quote from: THE ZUKE on March 02, 2019, 02:29:30 PM
I found this link about my tie rod sleeves : https://p-s-t.com/i-23157806-11-16-solid-steel-adjustable-tie-rod-sleeve.html

My car has this model but I don't know which tie rod end model I need (about axis).

If I understand your question? You don't necessarily " need" the larger C-Body 11/16 tie rods but a lot of people use them, myself included. Neil quoted you the C-Body part numbers if you wish to use them. They will work with the PST part you linked to.

Quote from: Chryco Psycho on February 25, 2019, 01:40:07 PM
Es355RL & ES352R
are the tie rods that will fit & are heavier duty
This is the part# for the sleeve  10510049

Ok thanks @Brads70 for explanations.

You confirm that on my Cuda, the diameter of the threaded portion of the tie rod end that is screwed into the sleeve is larger than that of an original model.

By changing the tie rods end, should I order 2 pieces Es355RL & 2 other pieces ES352R. One ES355RL and one ES352R for the right side and the same for the left side

Yes the original thread size I believe was 5/8" , yes you will need 2 of each as they are inner and outer  tie rods plus 2 adjuster sleeves.

Ok @Brads70, it's going back slowly in my little head  :)

I have to change 2 pièces like the picture, but what is the name in Américan language ? Upper ball joint or an other name ? What MOOG model I have to buy ?

Thanks for the answer.  ;)

Chryco Psycho

The Upper ball joint you have marked & circled is the idler arm

dodj

IMO, if the adjuster sleeves you have (P-S-T) fit the smaller diameter tie rod ends, I would not buy the larger diameter tie rod ends. The difference in driving is not noticeable and the sleeve you have is better than original.
"There is nothing your government can give you that it hasn't already taken from you in the first place" -Winston Churchill


THE ZUKE

Quote from: dodj on March 03, 2019, 06:51:53 AM
IMO, if the adjuster sleeves you have (P-S-T) fit the smaller diameter tie rod ends, I would not buy the larger diameter tie rod ends. The difference in driving is not noticeable and the sleeve you have is better than original.

Now I have understood that the sleeve adjusters are larger diameter than the original. I have to order the parts (Tie rod end) indicated by @Chryco Psycho.

But I also have to change the both idler arm. I think they are the original model. I am going to look for the MOOG reference.

THE ZUKE

Quote from: Chryco Psycho on March 03, 2019, 06:51:28 AM
The Upper ball joint you have marked & circled is the idler arm

Thanks Chryco Psycho.  :worship:

THE ZUKE

Could you confirm me, this link : https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/mog-k7041/overview/year/1970/make/plymouth/model/cuda is the good piece I need ? Idler arms for my Cuda 1970.

Thanks for the answers.  :bigthumb:

Brads70

Quote from: THE ZUKE on March 03, 2019, 07:26:27 AM
Could you confirm me, this link : https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/mog-k7041/overview/year/1970/make/plymouth/model/cuda is the good piece I need ? Idler arms for my Cuda 1970.

Thanks for the answers.  :bigthumb:

Yes that is the correct Idler arm the other one on the steering box is called the pitman arm .