I have some questions about paint

[Bills Auto Works]

Actually the water base with 3 coats of clear looks awesome. Water base is where all the big business is now with OEMs all mandated to water base so that is where all the investment for top products is going. I had several top shops in this area tell me they would only use water base as that is what they are used to every day now - they would not consider any solvent stuff. Whereas a couple lower end shops I talked to still use solvent but would not use Omni.

  To each his own Sir,

      Yes big production shops will go the waterborne way, but make no mistake...There is a big difference when it comes to custom work or high quality restoration work! Again just my opinion, but I would NEVER spend $20k or more for a paint job for my restoration project or custom job using water base products! The quality is just not there & is only mandated to appease the "Green Whackos"

God Bless
Bill
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[moparroy]

  To each his own Sir,

True that for sure - you gotta be comfortable with what you are using and for the application.
Believe I mentioned I would not / did not use water based if I am painting or touching up DIY - but really pleased with the professional result. Just sayin' it can do the job and well.
And agree custom work could be a case to consider - water may not be suitable for that for a couple reasons. Mine is just a uniform paint job

[Marty]

  These days I use nothing but TAMCO or ORION (which is owned by Tammy previously of Tamco)!!!!

  The quality of their paint, primers & clears are noticeably higher that the big 3 at a much better price!

  TAMCO numbers to use :

   Epoxy 660 series which is DTA

   High build primer 5310 (comes in 3 different colors, super high build with no shrinkage, lays out smooth as glass & blocks like butter)

   I prefer their high solids clear 2104 which has a much higher solids percentage than any of the big 3! However if you are used to a production clear that is a bit easier to work with they have a quality version of that as well.

  I just haven't memorized the Orion part numbers yet or I would have shared them as well!

   Both companies can do mix to match factory numbers & their paint covers very well with 2-3 coats.

   Disclaimer....I don't work for either, but have painted a handful of completes using their products & love them both! Also you will never get better customers service! With Tamco, if you need help you generally talk to one of the family members & with Orion, I have Tammy's personal cell number!

  God Bless
Bill
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I've heard of both companies and now you have me curious.

You mention that they match factory formulas. I want to be clear about what you're saying. If I have to repair and refinish a Sublime green quarter panel that used the Diamont OEM formulas, that Orion or Tamco will "blend" properly into the old finish to get the best match possible? (Unlike Nason, Limco, and other low-budget bases that will not blend properly due to weak toners.) Also, what is the mixing ratio of the Orion and Tamco base?

[torredcuda]

Working out of my home garage water base is not an option and fortunately New Hampshire has not restricted solvent base yet. I have also done cheapo jobs with Nason but I only use PPG or other quality paints on cars I want nice jobs that hold up over time.

[Bills Auto Works]

I've heard of both companies and now you have me curious.

You mention that they match factory formulas. I want to be clear about what you're saying. If I have to repair and refinish a Sublime green quarter panel that used the Diamont OEM formulas, that Orion or Tamco will "blend" properly into the old finish to get the best match possible? (Unlike Nason, Limco, and other low-budget bases that will not blend properly due to weak toners.) Also, what is the mixing ratio of the Orion and Tamco base?


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   Marty,
         
       The mix ratio is 1-1 with reducer & they have all 3 "flavors' of reducer depending ont he temp of your shop. They only go by the original factory formula & do NOT do any blend type mixing as they both lean more to the custom paint & car art guys than the production guys. You can however easily speak to either one with your needs & if you needs something tinted to your specs, they would probably do that without any issue.  Get in touch with Tammy @ Orion & she will be glad to answer any & all questions yo may have.

God Bless
Bill
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/nationwide-single-car-transport-hauling-open-or-enclosed.614419/

[torredcuda]

Tammy can match your paint if you give her a sample, problem is there are not a lot of small parts on our cars you can easily send to her thru the mail.

[Marty]

Thanks, guys. 

[Flatdad]

Wow, lots of good replies, thanks for the info/experiences guys.

Since this project was a cheap rebuild, I'll be spraying this myself. The quality of the finish isn't nearly as important as the durability, because the car is intended to be a primary daily driver all year except when they salt the roads (i'm not a barbarian).

So, below freezing days, 100 degree days, and rain.

On top of that, I live on a limestone gravel road. The car will probably be filthy most of the time and there's nothing I can do about that. As for the paved roads, the county is in love with chip and seal. All that considered, It sounds like epoxy primer with a compatible paint is probably the way to go for me.