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[kathyscuda]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Other/253829005651?hash=item3b19634153:g:HOcAAOSwIsdcCyDX

barn classics has been selling this velour seat aar for 2 years.
I made him an offer.he didn't have the decency to respond ..
how do these dealers keep there lights on .

[340challconvert]

Looks like Auto barn has it on consignment for the owner
No loss or risk to the dealer; not his money.
Should have a stock interior for that money!
These days, "around" the $80 K mark or more seems to norm for AAR's.

I did a 5 year span survey of AAR Auction prices from Mecum (only) in December 2017
This is what I found:


Please glean your own opinion from the data. 

Mecum 1970 AAR Cuda Sales/top bids December 2013 through 2017 current auctions
-   70 AAR  340-4sp, matching numbers K5 burnt orange  PS, PB w broadcast sheet   2017     81K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, matching numbers Y1 yellow, w 4700 original miles, high docs   2017     110K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, FE5 red, w date code correct engine, PS, PB elasto bumpers           2017     76K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, Y1 yellow PS, PB elasto bumpers, 25K original miles              2017     75K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, FE5 red, PS, PB elasto bumpers, was in Chandler/Welborn col.
                          Described as most highly optioned AAR Cuda in existance         2017     195K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, FE5 red, w correct date coded engine, PS, PB                 2017     77K
-   70 AAR 340-5sp?, FE5 red, matching numbers,                                2016     80K
-   70 AAR 340-auto, sassy grass green, matching numbers, not sold bid to:      2016     80K
-   70 AAR 340-auto, Y1 yellow, numbers matching, 68K miles, not sold, bid to:           2016     57K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, Y1 yellow, PB                                                       2016     91K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, green, rotisserie resto 2008- claimed 300k resto?  PB              2016     75K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, FE5 red, PB from Schmeeckle collection                    2016     90K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, Y1 yellow, rotisserie resto, PB                               2015     72.5K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, Y1 yellow, rotisserie resto, 96K miles                            2015     65K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, green,                                                2015     60K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp FE 5 red, was in Wellborn collection, elasto bumpers              2015    140K
-   70 AAR 340-auto, FC7 plum crazy, bench seat, not sold bid to:                 2015     40K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, black, rotisserie resto, PS, PB                               2014    68K
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, green, rotisserie resto 2008- claimed 300k resto?              2014  65K
             *** This car was sold in 2014 and resold in 2016 for 10K more
-   70 AAR 340-4sp, Y1 yellow, 2013 resto, PB                                       2013   72.5K

[anlauto]

It's pretty safe to assume they thought your offer was a joke and to insulting to bother replying to 

[JH27N0B]

Brokers have several different ways of handling cars on consignment.  Some charge a % of sales price if it sells, often 10%.  And the car owner gives them a minimum they will accept, sort of like a reserve at an auction.
Others have the owner state a price they will take and then try to sell the car for more than that price, and anything above the owners stated price is their profit.
Your offer probably wasn't close enough to what they could take.
Another factor is if the broker takes physical possession of the car and displays it in their facility.  Or do they represent the car, but the owner still has it at his home or storage.  If a serious potential buyer comes forth, the owner and brokerage must coordinate to show the car to the buyer.
If the broker has the car, after it sits there for a while they often get pushy with the owner to drop the price so it will sell.  Or start charging the owner a monthly fee to keep the car on their floor.
I do question how some of these brokers make a profit.  Given the high taxes and cost of buying a building or old dealership around here, some of my local friends have speculated some brokerages are some sort of money laundering scheme or or similarly shady, but I don't have any insight to confirm those suspicions.

[kathyscuda]

alan I didn't insult anybody. I made a fair offer .
some people watch too many barit jakson auctions.
and think  what they have is gold

[RUNCHARGER]

Seat skins are cheap but that needs a lot more love than seat skins to bring the $ they want. First order of business is pulling the girlymatic and at that least resealing it. Might as well drop the engine at the same time to repair the engine room paint and so it goes. It could be a decent driver pretty quickly though but the detailing (including the dangerous floor board finishing) is nowhere near the price.

[anlauto]

If I was selling a car with a asking price of $84K..... I would be insulted by offers of anything less than $70K....

I'm not saying this car is worth anything close to that....but if I (the seller) feel it's worth $84K then I would think you were an idiot for not thinking the same thing as me and that you are wasting your time and mine with your ridiculous low ball offer...

[70 Challenger Lover]

I think these businesses we see on eBay are never really expecting to make a sale through eBay and simply use it as a cheap way to advertise worldwide believing that any serious buyer will contact them by phone and make arrangements to see it in person.

One of the members in here recently made an offer to a guy selling a gold 71 Barracuda convertible and I just happened to also be talking to the seller who revealed quite a few details. The offer was truthfully very fair but the seller was very put off that he was being made an offer through the Internet without having ever met the buyer. He told me he might have accepted the offer but only if the buyer came out and saw the car, shook his hand and looked him in the eye when doing business. This car was the family baby and he wanted to feel good knowing it was going to the right buyer.

Point is I think there are a lot of people, particularly older generations who do not appreciate the detachment of the electronic marketplace. They might tolerate it for overseas buyers but far less so for someone who's only two hours away by plane. Of course real phone calls can bridge that gap quite a bit too. I am sure that if you walked into their business, talked to someone about the car and checked it out in detail, your fair offer would at least generate a good barter session or might even secure a deal.

I personally don't respond well to electronic offers when I list something on Marketplace or Craigslist. It feels wrong. People who are interested pick up the phone. This philosophy has served me well.

[anlauto]

These are very good points. I feel the same way but on a much smaller scale. I advertise all my extra stuff on out local KiJiJi all the time. Every ad I place says the same thing:
PRICE IS FIRM
LOCAL PICKUP ONLY
NO SHIPPING

I put this in every ad for a reason...First off I pick a price that "I" feel is very reasonable and that's what it will take for me to sell it...hopefully this cuts down on the Kijijidiots offering my half of what I want....that doesn't always work...

Next, no shipping, because I hate the hassle of boxing stuff up and going to the Post Office etc....but more importantly, these are used parts I'm selling and I want the buyer to not be disappointed when he gets it...I want him to visually check it out, put his hands on it and then make the decision to purchase....then we can both be happy...there's enough local buyers for E Body parts that I can just wait it out...

Getting back to the original question....The dealer should at least answer a polite "no thank you" but they likely have very little patience for the amount of offers they get on all their inventory. 

[70 Challenger Lover]

I would definitely agree that a "No thank you" response would be the best or better yet, I'd respond with, "Thank you for the offer. Why don't you give me a call or come see the car and we will see if we can't work something out." A little effort in the communication department gets those extra monthly sales.

I have a feeling they just advertise it on eBay and probably don't even monitor incoming messages. These brick and mortar businesses usually put their phone number a dozen times throughout the ad and probably figure anyone who doesn't call is just a tire kicker.

@kathyscuda you should give them a call. I'd bet it's something like that rather than them deliberately blowing you off. I've never heard of a car salesman that didn't want to sit down with a potential buyer.

[B5fourspeed]

I can't see a auto trans going for that.No auto trans car met the reserve on the list.

[anlauto]

I can't see a auto trans going for that.No auto trans car met the reserve on the list.

My old AUTOMATIC AAR Cuda just sold at Mecum in March for $86,300 

[kdcarman]

I can't see a auto trans going for that.No auto trans car met the reserve on the list.

My old AUTOMATIC AAR Cuda just sold at Mecum in March for $86,300 

There is wide range in value on AAR's based on color, options, condition, numbers, documentation.
For example, I would buy an auto, TX9, non-numbers matching with documentation all day for $85k.  Good luck with that.  lol

In this case, the car does not appear anywhere close to driving an $84k value.

[js27]

I know I always price my parts a bit high on e bay for the simple reason ebay takes 10% right off the top and pay pal another 3%. So right off the bat you are down 13% and then someone offers you 50 or 60 % of what you want - it is not worth it the hassle or money.
JS27

[70 Challenger Lover]

Nice thing about selling a car though is they only get a low fixed amount rather than a percentage.