BS23J0B305131

[cuda hunter]

BS23J0B305131

taken from mopar fender tags  December 10th 24
eddie barker

The only comment so far.

Mike McLulu
306912 was built 412 so how does this work

[JH27N0B]

I'm glad my convertible's fender tag is mostly hidden under an AC hose! 
I'm not sure if a Facebook page dedicated to showing pictures of peoples fender tags doesn't violate owners privacy in some ways?  I know many people will blot out part of their VIN when showing pictures of their cars tag online
I am generally hesitant to photograph fender tags at car shows, except at auctions where the car is up for evaluation and the tag is fair game.  I did once get some guy making disparaging comments to me when he saw me photograph a tag on a loaded project car Challenger in a car show car corral.  I don't think the guy was the owner even, but he seemed a little upset seeing me photograph the tag.
A few years ago Bob Ashton was discussing the black list of people who are not allowed to attend MCACN due to malfeasance or behavior issues, which was a pretty short list, but one guy he mentioned was a person who'd take down VIN info of cars at shows, then somehow fake up some documentation from ages ago showing a theft record or a lien or something like that, which he'd then use to approach the current owner to extort them to pay him to release the false ownership claims.
People often blot out their license plates when posting pictures too.  Different people have different opinions of their privacy, but given the underground of crooks out there constantly trying to hatch schemes to scam and steal, it's certainly legitimate to worry about information on your property floating around on the web.

[cuda hunter]

Keep your car in a garage or cover up it's lineage.
If the car is out and it is visible I'm gonna take a picture of the documents.

Peoples opinions about whether I am a thief or not is simply only their opinions.

Luckily, the majority of people don't care.  If they were all hidden we wouldn't have any information about these cars and when a car with a fake tag or fake documents comes up for sale then You and I would and could get really screwed without doing some research.

  All the tags are documentation for the rich guys in this game that buy and sale cars as investments. 
  Us regular guys can afford a BH barracuda once in a while.  I'm not gonna get robbed for 100K due to a fake hemi because I can't buy those cars.  I can however, provide some help to those who spend big money on these cars by documenting different cars. 

  Posting tags helps people. 

Those who scam will scam regardless of your tag. 
Scammers are after J's,  R's and V code cars.   No one scams out an L code car or even an N. 

[JH27N0B]

Who implied you're a thief? Are you saying that you're the guy I mentioned who got black listed from entry to MCACN for using vin info he'd take from cars at shows to use in a scam against the owners? I'm pretty sure Bob said that guy was from Florida, not Colorado, so I didn't have any reason to think it was you!
Barry used to have partial info but not full VINs for cars in his Hamtramck registry, but I don't even see that anymore on his site other than the number of T/As and number of AARs he's got data on so far. So there's another persons take on the matter.
I want to respect peoples privacy, and you think everything on peoples personal property should be publicly available. No point arguing further as we're not going to change either of opinions on this subject.
After sharing pictures of cars at events I've gone to before, you've sometimes asked me if I have pictures of their tags, so at least now you'll understand why you're wasting your time asking.  I only take pictures of tags on cars for sale at auctions, because in my mind someone selling a car has an obligation to allow people to evaluate anything about the car for potential purchase.

[cuda hunter]

I did not read everything above yet.  Just the first sentence.
I was not inferring that you had called me a thief.
That is the typical "reason" I get for why people don't like tag readers. 
Not trying to be confrontational in any way at all. 

[cudamadd]

Great job Cuda hunter the more tags I see the more I learn . And that's got to be a good thing for a small town Aussie like me   

[cuda hunter]

Barry's service is a great service in my opinion.  Even if he removed any evidence of vin's.


As I understand it he has at least a couple if not 4 broadcast sheets that have M46 information on them but they are lost to the file system.  I have one broadcast sheet from an M46 and it is only a picture of a car that disappeared.  I'm always looking for info on these cars and that is a secondary reason that I look at tags.  I am looking for these cars.
  Sure, I could make any 70 an m46 with some scoops but then it is just a recreation.  Best to look for the factory created item. 

@JH27N0B  with over 2K posts, you have seen my little list of M46 cars? 

The M46 List

And my want ad? 

M46   WANTED   

[JH27N0B]

I am aware you're interested in M46 cars.  I go to a lot of shows but can't recall ever spotting one.  Though perhaps I've seen a car that had it but it's not present on the car anymore, and I didn't look at the fender tag for the code.
Barry has done a lot of good work, but has gone overboard on occasion with his self appointed role as a Mopar policeman.  I've heard a couple complaints of people with project E bodies that Barry saw an ad for at some point and decided the car was too far gone, and placed its VIN on a black list of potential rebodies.  Somebody later decides to restore the car and finds it's got that scarlet letter on it he can't get erased from the databases.

[cuda hunter]

I can see how that would really upset some folks.

Plus I have seen where fender tags are sold on ebay and the vin is marked as a scraped car. 

Those marks are difficult to erase alright.

[JH27N0B]

Someone selling fender tags and VINs on eBay is definitely facilitating fraud.  I'm glad Barry keeps a database of those to help prevent potential future buyers from ending up with a car built off those!
But other than that, it's always a gray area.  Some think the "barrelcuda" was too far gone to restore and thus it's not "legitimate".  But it was built off a complete but very rusty car, that required more replacement metal than not to restore.  I have a hard time calling it phony though due to that.
I mentioned the 71 hemi cuda convertible built off a cowl and door I believe were all left of it.
The guy who commissioned the resto was Harold Sullivan who's a long time respected guy in the hobby.
I overheard some high end collectors talking about it at a party years ago and one said he'd own it.  I thought it too sketchy myself.  If memory serves Bob Ashton didn't invite it to the big hemi E body vert display at MCACN 2015 due to being too controversial.
How about that scorched hemi cuda graveyard cars did.  Most of the metal on that car must have been destroyed and needed replaced so is it legit?
Even the hurricane Superbird, now most exterior sheet metal was replaced to restore.  Is it legit?
So that's where I have a problem with someone like Barry playing God.  A rebody with tags from another car is a fraud everyone agrees.  Beyond that it's all a gray area. As long as the history isn't misrepresented I think potential buyers make the decision if it's ok, not a guy running a database or registery.

[cuda hunter]

I agree 100%. 

[6bblgt]

BS23J0B305131

306912 was built 412 so how does this work

BS23J0B306912 may have been built 4/12, but it was scheduled 4/15     maybe it has a fake tag ???

[pschlosser]

I think we can all agree transparency is a good thing.  But someone taking a picture of, or posting an image of my fender tag, without my permission, just may feel like a violation of my privacy.

However, once I put a car on public display, like a car show, or some other venue, and the hood is open for anyone to see, then it's fair game, as far as I'm concerned.  I have a colleague with an autistic child with exceptional photographic memory.  All they need to do is see the fender tag, and they can recite it's content verbatim.  IMO, once it's publicly displayed, it's public content and may be freely distributed.

Nothing infuriates me more, than someone popping the hood of my car to view the engine and fender tag.  It's gotten to where I don't want to drive a valuable car, unless I can attend it the whole time it's out of the garage.  More than once, parking in the far corner of the supermarket, walking back to the car, do I find one or more people camped there waiting for me to return and ask me questions.  Seeing the hood pins installed differently than I place them tells me what they've done.  I've been rude, as a result, and they give me perplexed looks like they don't understand my reaction.  I may be damaged goods, because I've had parts stolen from my cars in the past.

[cuda hunter]

I've never had someone pop my hood, much less get in my car. 
Nor have I had parts stolen.
Totally understand where you are coming from though.  That would piss me right off.