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E Bodies Mecum Kissimmee, 2018

Started by Roadman, December 06, 2017, 07:58:47 AM

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Roadman

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               Sold--------------- $47,300.00----------------https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-321537/1970-plymouth-cuda/

Roadman

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---------------  SOLD---------------$205K----------------                https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-313045/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda/

Brads70

Sounds like a lot of fun! Hope that Murray fella and Bigs are not leading you "astray"  :ohyeah:


Cuda Cody

How are some of the quality of the Hemi E-Bodies?  The prices seem all over the place.  Is it a condition thing?

Roadman

Quote from: Brads70 on January 13, 2018, 12:41:24 PM
Sounds like a lot of fun! Hope that Murray fella and Bigs are not leading you "astray"  :ohyeah:

                 we had breakfast yesterday and today,  Bigs is a real character   :haha:  Great seeing them and spending some time.   :grouphug:

Roadman

Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 13, 2018, 12:44:44 PM
How are some of the quality of the Hemi E-Bodies?  The prices seem all over the place.  Is it a condition thing?

             I didn't get to see the cars this year, but @RzeroB went, he should be able to weigh in .

RUNCHARGER

I like the Vit C Hemi Cuda, price seems about right to me without seeing it?
Sheldon


BIGSHCLUNK

Quote from: Roadman on January 13, 2018, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: Brads70 on January 13, 2018, 12:41:24 PM
Sounds like a lot of fun! Hope that Murray fella and Bigs are not leading you "astray"  :ohyeah:

                 we had breakfast yesterday and today,  Bigs is a real character   :haha:  Great seeing them and spending some time.   :grouphug:

Hey I've been called a whole lot worse !!   :haha:  I must say this has been very theraputic for me. Meet some great prople , now I can put a name and face to a handle! Mark thank you again for the wiring kit  :ohyeah:  Murray and I hit a car show / swap meet today and a brew pub (go figure). Tonight hang out at old town. Then back to the COLD tomorrow  :Thud:

realn96

Quote from: Roadman on January 13, 2018, 08:22:50 AM
                       SOLD             $86,900.00           https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312836/1971-plymouth-cuda/

happy too see the 340 shaker car bring that kind of money!

jck

I was there and really could not understand the prices. Some lower quality cars brought more than they should have and a better car would do nothing. Made no sense to me. White U code, auto car sure brought a lot. The 71 340 also.
Goatman

JH27N0B

This looks to be an interesting Challenger convertible up for auction today.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-321757/1970-dodge-challenger/
Too bad not much info given and only one picture.  Obviously some mods, but I wonder if it still has the /6 and 3 speed stick? 
A rare one indeed, I bet only a handful still exist in the world that haven't been cloned into yet another hemi or big block hemi R/T.


Roadman

Quote from: JH27N0B on January 14, 2018, 08:49:27 AM
This looks to be an interesting Challenger convertible up for auction today.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-321757/1970-dodge-challenger/
Too bad not much info given and only one picture.  Obviously some mods, but I wonder if it still has the /6 and 3 speed stick? 
A rare one indeed, I bet only a handful still exist in the world that haven't been cloned into yet another hemi or big block hemi R/T.


     Claims it has original  /6

JH27N0B

I see it sold today for $45,100, which would be $41,000 +buyers premium.  Seems like fairly strong money for a /6 car!  That's around what some around here said my N code vert is worth.  :drunk:
I hope they keep it a original /6 3 speed and enjoy being the only one most people will ever see, but I have a feeling next time it pops up it will be FM3 or FC7 with a crate hemi and a shaker.  Oh well.

RzeroB

Quote from: Roadman on January 13, 2018, 12:58:34 PM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 13, 2018, 12:44:44 PM
How are some of the quality of the Hemi E-Bodies?  The prices seem all over the place.  Is it a condition thing?

             I didn't get to see the cars this year, but @RzeroB went, he should be able to weigh in .

Though I am a huge fan of these cars, I'm far from being an expert on the little details that seems to have a significant influence on the final price.

For example, Nick Smith's TX9 car might have been perceived as being the most desirable HemiCuda there being that it is a black-on-black 4-speed car. Black shows every little flaw, but the finish on this car was absolutely beautiful. It is a great looking car ... but it had a non-numbers engine in it with some mods (headers, etc) and that reflected in the final price.

Then you have the three other HemiCuda's that were there - the FE5, EK2 and EB5 cars. All numbers matching, all 4-speeds, all "restored to OE specifications", all relatively equal and you would expect them to be near each other in price.

From what I could see of it, Wayne Schmeeckle's EB5 car was exceptional. I imagine it's "pedigree" being that it is fully documented, low miles, restored by Roger Gibson, and coming out of Schmeeckle's collection had a lot to do with pushing it's reserve up and making it a no-sale at $300K.

Then there is the EK2 car. It has a great "pedigree" too in that it is also fully documented, has very low miles, and has an older, but very nice restoration on it. I don't recall who did the restoration on it, or who the owner is - could "name recognition" have something to do with it? I don't know. This car "presented" very well but there are some things when you look around the engine bay (battery, master cylinder, blower motor, etc). The interesting thing is that the owner acquired the car four years ago at this very same auction in 2014 for $240K, so it's surprising that at this auction it was let go for $205K. I don't know ... maybe the owner just needed to get out of it for some reason??

Then there is the FE5 car. It also a great "pedigree" in that it is also fully documented but has more miles than either the EB5 or EK2 car. The car has a very nice recent restoration on it, the A22 bumpers were added and the car "presents" very well too. Like the EK2 car, I don't recall who did the restoration on it, or who the owner is (but I think it is represented by Rich Pankz and his Collector-Car-Connection?), but none of that seemed to have an impact on the bidding for this car as it ran up to $300K too before it stalled and became a "no-sale". Was it better than the EK2 car? Yeah, it probably is. Is it an equal to Schmeeckle's EB5 car? Hmmm, I don't really think so.

Since I am not in a financial position to be shopping for one of these cars, I don't really know what dynamics ultimately come into play at that level. The way the car "presents" in it's "correctness" is important. "Exclusivity" (those with rare and desirable options) is important too. Then of course is documentation - the more the better. All three of those things combined add up to what I heard a certain collector refer to as "provenance" which in turn determines it's relative market value. I don't know. All I really know is that I'm glad these collectors buy and sell these cars as it brings them out of hiding and into the public eye for you and me to enjoy seeing them!
Cheers!
Tom

Tis' better to have owned classic Mopars and lost than to have never owned at all (apologies to Alfred Lord Tennyson)

cataclysm80

Quote from: BIGSHCLUNK on January 13, 2018, 02:07:55 PM
Quote from: Roadman on January 13, 2018, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: Brads70 on January 13, 2018, 12:41:24 PM
Sounds like a lot of fun! Hope that Murray fella and Bigs are not leading you "astray"  :ohyeah:

                 we had breakfast yesterday and today,  Bigs is a real character   :haha:  Great seeing them and spending some time.   :grouphug:

Hey I've been called a whole lot worse !!   :haha:  I must say this has been very theraputic for me. Meet some great prople , now I can put a name and face to a handle! Mark thank you again for the wiring kit  :ohyeah:  Murray and I hit a car show / swap meet today and a brew pub (go figure). Tonight hang out at old town. Then back to the COLD tomorrow  :Thud:

It was great visiting with all of you at Old Town, glad we could meet face to face!

Tav