Anyone Familiar with this Dealer or this 1970 R/T

[benlavigne]

The cowl on that car doesn't look right for an early-built (based on the VIN) '70. It might have been repaired with a later-built donor, or ...
And why is there a 2-speed wiper motor?
Be careful.

And 72 and up gauges (Reset knobs inside)...

Ben

[erik70rt]

The cowl on that car doesn't look right for an early-built (based on the VIN) '70. It might have been repaired with a later-built donor, or ...
And why is there a 2-speed wiper motor?
Be careful.

What about the cowl doesn't look right?  I saw the two speed motor

[anlauto]

The cowl on that car doesn't look right for an early-built (based on the VIN) '70. It might have been repaired with a later-built donor, or ...
And why is there a 2-speed wiper motor?
Be careful.

What about the cowl doesn't look right?  I saw the two speed motor

It has the little square holes for the later style cowl vent screens that clipped in place (72-74) instead of being held on by screws like 70-71

[benlavigne]

The cowl on that car doesn't look right for an early-built (based on the VIN) '70. It might have been repaired with a later-built donor, or ...
And why is there a 2-speed wiper motor?
Be careful.

What about the cowl doesn't look right?  I saw the two speed motor

Three-speed wipers were standard with Rallye dash, so standard with R/T....

Ben

[EV2RTSE]

The cowl on that car doesn't look right for an early-built (based on the VIN) '70. It might have been repaired with a later-built donor, or ...
And why is there a 2-speed wiper motor?
Be careful.

What about the cowl doesn't look right?  I saw the two speed motor

Those 3 dimples to the left of that ECU box didn't start to show up on cars until about March of 70.

[Jay Bee]

Some other minor things. Hood hinges and blower motor wrong color and looks to be missing an interior "VENT" cable. Not really big enough issues for someone serious about the car.

[erik70rt]

Thanks for the info on the cowl.  I didn't know about the three dimples. 

I asked him to supply photos of the body stampings. 

[erik70rt]

Nice car-I thought you wanted a Vert ?
JS27

Yes, I still want a 'vert.  It's still on the table.

[scf100]

wow you guys are good here....


enough questions like these would make me look elsewhere...


AUTABUY has convertibles in your price range listed have you checked it out?

If your gonna buy a convertible better do it before April 1 because price goes up when the temps do.......

[erik70rt]

UPDATE:  He can't find any numbers on the cowl or radiator support, so I told him I'm not interested since it could have had the cowl changed or be a bad rebody.  He still wants me to come look at it and tell him all that's wrong with it (silly Chevy guys). 

So thanks to everyone here and back to getting a 'vert!  LOL

[challenger6pak]

It looked like a rebody to me from the pics. It looked like it was put together on a base Challenger. I'm glad you skipped it. So much was wrong with it for that kind of money.

[erik70rt]

This could be a very interesting piece to discuss along the lines of my State of the E-Body market thread.  While this car may be not original by any means, it's still a real R/T 383 4 spd  car that could be pretty sweet - but not have the pedigree it could have had.  For the collector market, this car is a bust.  But from a fun/buildable standpoint, it has a lot of potential.  I can see this car being a really fun sweet driver/local show winner if cleaned up a bit.

For a car like this, I would pay something in the 25-28 range because of what I would invest into it to make it "right".  For a non-mopar person who wants to enter the e-body market, they might pay more.  I think if it were a different color than pink, it would have an easier chance of selling. 

[70 Challenger Lover]

It may not be "investor grade" but that doesn't mean it's a pile either. For 25-30k, any 70 Challenger you find (RT or not) is going to be either needing a lot of work or a mediocre driver at best. At times, folks in here remind me of the corvette crowd. If every bolt head doesn't have the perfect marking or the hoses don't have date coded ink stamps, then it must be trash.

There are a lot of great cars out there with new metal pieces here and there. That's why the repo market is flourishing. It is impossible to find unrestored 50 year old cars that don't need a little metal work. Granted the person who did it could have put more effort into the details but little things like the cowl having three dimples or the radiator support being switched out doesn't mean it was badly restored by some hack or that it's value has been completely destroyed. Not wearing its original color takes it out of investor grade anyway.

It looks like a really nice car to me. If it were restored correctly, it's a 45-50k car. If a few details weren't quite right but it was really nice otherwise (which is really the kind of stuff mentioned about this car), I'd deduct 10k off. So the car is now a 35-40k car if it's really nice. Now if guys in here were noticing stuff like wavy body panels or mismatched body lines, then I'd be worried and walk away. If the seller was telling you it was a rust free car, I'd walk away because you now know metal has been changed making him dishonest.

At the rate these cars have gone up in value over the past ten years, you won't lose money on a car like this (assuming it's a nicely restored car). If you need to own an investor grade collectible then this one probably isn't a good choice. But then you probably wouldn't be driving a pristine investor grade collectible, it would sit there and rot.

If it were me, I'd go take a look if you liked it to begin with. Just point out the details to the guy and try and get him down to 30-35k if you can. You might just drive off with a bitchin car. And someday when you sell it, easier to find a buyer with 35k to spend than one with 50k to spend.

Just my two cents.

[erik70rt]

I am still going to look at it next week to look at the lines and such.  He wants to learn about it and I'll be glad to teach him.   I also know he's motivated to sell it, so if all looks good and he comes down to a better price, I may still make a deal as I like to drive my cars.  No trailer queens for me. LOL   Then I'll get back to looking for my convertible! 

[70 Challenger Lover]

He sounds motivated and some of the things folks pointed out may be easy fixes. You'll know after you see it. If he's at 39k now, I could see a deal happening at 30-31k. I'd definitely inspect everything you can on it. You'd hate to find out later it was in a bad wreck or once had tons of rust that was not properly fixed.