I am in need of help with assembling the door glass in my 1970 Challenger. I took the doors apart 3 years ago, and I did bag the parts, but dont recall the placement. Thank you so much for your help!
Picture #1:
Please let me know if the "door glass stabilizer" (correct term??) needs new rubber & is the rubber "flocked"? Mine are in OK condition... Also, do you put any lube in the channel?
Picture #2: are these the upstops for the door glass? Where do they go?
Your part looks fine....I grease the channel up. The two up stops are from 72-74 Door and mount to the inside of the door you should see slots and holes where they go
Picture 1 - the rubber looks OK
I usually use white lithium on the slides for lube
Picture 2 - yes those are up stops on the doors they bolt to the inside upper lip , there are also similar brackets to position the glass inward that have felt on them .
I have a 1971 Cuda in the shop right now with a 1973-74 door on one side only, complicates things because all the window hardware is totally different including the up stop locations.
Here's where they go, one at the front, and one at the rear obviously
Thank you SO much for the help guys!
This is a 1970, but I am now wondering/thinking that the doors are from a different year?
This may explain why I have different hardware for each door.... :(
I will check both doors tonight, and update.
Thank you again for your advise !! :bigthumb:
I'm 100% certain those up-stops are from a newer door.
Ok, here are pics of both doors - they are different :(
so this means I will need different hardware for each door?
do the both use the same type guides?
Can't answer the guide question, what I can tell you is that the passenger side is a 1970 one and the driver side is a 1971 and up.
Thank you for identifying the doors - the passenger side is missing the guides and upstops - thats why I was wondering if they take the same hardware = looks like the upstops will be different??
driver side front and rear up stops 70 Challenger
There are plenty of differences, but I believe you can make everything from a 70-71 work inside a 73-74 door with the EXCEPTION of the up-stops.
The main difference is the width of the front track. :alan2cents:
1970 window regulators will not work in a 71-74 style doors . The window will not completely go down. The later style window regulators will work in all doors.
That's an interesting point Rob that I never thought of
Quote from: RJChallenger on July 25, 2020, 08:25:03 PM
1970 window regulators will not work in a 71-74 style doors . The window will not completely go down. The later style window regulators will work in all doors.
That only applies to Challengers. I have a 1970 regulator in my '71+ right side door. Somewhere on this forum I went through an explanation as to why that is.
Thanks again to all you guys for the help!
These are the guides I purchased - I dont believe I have any like the short ones - both of my doors seem to take the "long" guide in the front, so I am assuming the short guides go in the back? Does anyone have a photo of the guides in place?
The new guides arrived yesterday - I didnt remove any "short" guides like the new ones in the picture above, are they for the rear of the doors? These were listed as 70-74. Are the guides in all the Challengers the same?
Do the short guides go with the short leg of the "J" towards the glass?
Below are pictures of the left and right doors and what I'm thinking might be the guide and upstop locations - please confirm if my notations are correct
I have also included a (numbered) photo of the hardware for my left door, could someone please identify them by number?
Pictures 1 & 2 are correct, picture three is corrected below...
I can tackle picture four aft "90 Day Fiancée" is over... :))
1) Window regulator to door. Either side, also used for rear regulator
2) In the rear quarter holding the triangle lower track bracket/also used for door front track lower bracket to door
3) Used in several places, inner door handles to door, lock lever mechanism to door etc...
4) 1970-71 Up Stops as well as the top bolts of both front a rear vertical tracks
5) Retain the outer door handles to door
6) Rear 1/4 window roller guide
7) 70-71 style front track window guide
8 ) The horizontal track rear bolt
9) The horizontal track front bolt
10) The front widow rear track guide triangle to glass nut
11) The horizontal front track retainer #9 screws into
12) The broken backside of #11
13) On the door inner to secure the arm rest pull cup
14) 70-71 Front window guide retainer that #7 screws into.
Thank you for your amazing help!!!
I didnt remove any "short" guides like the new ones in the picture above, are they for the rear of the doors? These were listed as 70-74.
Are the guides in all the Challengers the same?
Do the short guides go with the short leg of the "J" towards the glass?
Hi Alan, are these the upstops I need for the passenger door, since its different?
Thank you for all your help!
Gerry
photo of upstops - are these correct for my passenger door? Thank you
Yes, two of those Up-stops are used on the passenger side door. The window guides you bought are typically found on on 1970 doors then they were eliminated by 71. Your DS door may hay the holes for them, but they weren't used after 1970. The short ones J curves outbound the same as the fronts but they never fit that good.
ALL 70-74 E Bodies use four of these guides as well (2 per door)
Thanks to the great help on this site, I have the drivers glass installed - On to the next issue...
The doors are different where the weatherstrip attaches to the door - the drivers door has 1/8" holes, and the passengers door has slots.
The slots seem to be correct for the weatherstrip "tabs" - since the tabs are approx 3/16" - see photos.
Is it as simple as drilling out the 1/8" holes to fit the 3/16" tabs, or ??
Thanks again for all your great help!!!
:popcorn: Great info. I'm sure I'll need to refer to this when I open up my doors next year.
Hopefully both of your doors will be the same!! :unbelievable:
Plan on doing my door glass innards, tracks.. fuzzies and rubbers this winter. Keep them photos coming!
:popcorn:
Some good info here for sure . . Another thread to check with a ton of good info on glass > https://forum.e-bodies.org/body-shop/5/cuda-door-and-side-window-replacement/371/
Quote from: anlauto on July 26, 2020, 07:24:06 PM
1) Window regulator to door. Either side, also used for rear regulator
2) In the rear quarter holding the triangle lower track bracket/also used for door front track lower bracket to door
3) Used in several places, inner door handles to door, lock lever mechanism to door etc...
4) 1970-71 Up Stops as well as the top bolts of both front a rear vertical tracks
5) Retain the outer door handles to door
6) Rear 1/4 window roller guide
7) 70-71 style front track window guide
8 ) The horizontal track rear bolt
9) The horizontal track front bolt
10) The front widow rear track guide triangle to glass nut
11) The horizontal front track retainer #9 screws into
12) The broken backside of #11
13) On the door inner to secure the arm rest pull cup
14) 70-71 Front window guide retainer that #7 screws into.
My 71 Challenger driver door glass dropped at the front end tonight. I took the door apart and found the machine screw (#() in the horizontal lift bar, and I found a broken version of (#11) lying in the bottom of the door.
Where can I fin a new #11?
does #9 normally have a rubber hose around it where it passes through the glass?
Is there any kind of washer or gasket between the horizontal lift track and the Glass at this connection?
Here is the #11 I found in my door.
Is that what these are?
I got these in the window rebuild kit, and dont know where thy go...
I am now stuck on the quarter glass - all the pictures / posts I have seen have the Ebody quarter glass trim attached with 2 screws - well mine has 2 rivets... I suppose you have to drill out the rivets to replace the glass - but where do you get thereplacement rivets ?
Another question - I noticed on my passenger door glass that the slide bolts have an o-ring and two teflon washers on them. However my drivers door (Early 1970) didnt have these two items (o-ring & teflon washers)... do I need to "upgrade" the drivers door glass? Thank you
Quote from: GerryThal on September 21, 2020, 04:47:30 AM
I am now stuck on the quarter glass - all the pictures / posts I have seen have the Ebody quarter glass trim attached with 2 screws - well mine has 2 rivets... I suppose you have to drill out the rivets to replace the glass - but where do you get thereplacement rivets ?
I just did a set of these for a 1971 Cuda and used regular pop rivets in from one side :dunno:
Thanks again anlauto, should I use steel or aluminum rivets?
Quote from: GerryThal on September 21, 2020, 04:12:58 PM
Thanks again anlauto, should I use steel or aluminum rivets?
Is there any reason not to just use 2 screws? :dunno:
Does anyone happen to know where the parts on "reply 29" go?
Also, can someone tell me the specs on the fasteners for the horizontal track? One is a phillips head, and the other is a 1/4" bolt.... where can I purchase 1 each of these??
Thank you very much for your help !!
I'm not sure what those in #29 are either :looney:
Quote from: GerryThal on September 21, 2020, 04:43:22 AM
Is that what these are?
I got these in the window rebuild kit, and don't know where thy go...
No but I found what I needed and fixed it just in time. Thanks!