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Technical Shop => Engine, Transmission & Rear End => Topic started by: mjb765 on November 08, 2017, 03:56:37 PM

Title: Cam selection
Post by: mjb765 on November 08, 2017, 03:56:37 PM
Stock 383 with an edelbrock manifold and carb. Still have stock exhaust manifolds. No power brakes, 4 speed and 3.55's in the rear. Called Hughes for a cam choice and they suggested this

http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/products.php?browse=category&level0=RC0gQmlnIEJsb2NrIChMb3cgRGVjayk=&level1=Q2Ftc2hhZnQ=&partid=30255

Want a good streetable cam to just wake up the motor...don't need to balance a glass on the air cleaner, but it needs to idle in traffic if needed. Looking for thoughts on what they suggested.

Thanks
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: Cuda Cody on November 08, 2017, 03:59:04 PM
I like Mr. Six Pack cams.  He does a great job of balancing a good running / idling cam with some good performance.    :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: Chryco Psycho on November 08, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
I have had great success with Lunati voodoo series cams
  702 might be what you are looking for .
Hughes can be difficult to deal with
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: mjb765 on November 08, 2017, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on November 08, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
I have had great success with Lunati voodoo series cams
  702 might be what you are looking for .
Hughes can be difficult to deal with


Have a question since I don't have it apart yet...do I have a 1 bolt or a 3 bolt cam?
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: Chryco Psycho on November 09, 2017, 03:51:43 AM
I always order a 3 bolt cam & a new chain
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: mjb765 on November 09, 2017, 05:32:16 AM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on November 09, 2017, 03:51:43 AM
I always order a 3 bolt cam & a new chain

A new chain and new lifters are a no brainer.....just wondering about the number of bolts on the stock cam
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: Shane Kelley on November 09, 2017, 05:37:26 AM
If it's stock it will more than likely be a 1 bolt. I agree with CP on using a 3 bolt set up.  Since your ordering a cam,  chain and gear set you can do whatever you want.
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: Car-nutt on November 09, 2017, 05:56:29 AM
I agree with Cody, I have two cams from Mr. Six Pack and very happy with the results.
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: Flatdad on November 09, 2017, 06:48:33 AM
I think the cam Hughes suggested would work great for your combo based on the specs, BUT there is a cheaper alternative.

SUM-K6401 cam and lifter kit is VERY close to the Hughe's cam specs. Except, it comes with lifters, its U.S. made, its $47 cheaper, and shipping is FREE. (I've used this cam myself.)

The intake closing ABDC isn't listed on Summit's site, but from my cam card it says 41 degrees (the Hughes is 40 degrees). So, it makes good dynamic compression in medium and low compression iron headed big blocks. If your 383 is truly stock, you might find that 9.5:1 compression rating is actually 9.0:1 or less when measured, which is right in the sweet spot for the Hughes cam and Summit cam.

http://www.wallaceracing.com/dynamic-cr.php
About 8:1 dynamic compression is considered safe for iron heads, or so I've read.

Just my two cents, based on my limited experience, the folks that posted before me are a wealth of knowledge. Good Luck!
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: Shane Kelley on November 09, 2017, 07:00:05 AM
I have found that the 383's deck height is all over the place which will dramatically effect compression. That's one of the main reasons some 383's are screamers and some are just flat out pigs. You can usually track it right down to the compression issue and if you put the wrong cam in a low compression 383 and you will not be happy.  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: Chryco Psycho on November 09, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: Shane Kelley on November 09, 2017, 05:37:26 AM
If it's stock it will more than likely be a 1 bolt. I agree with CP on using a 3 bolt set up.  Since your ordering a cam,  chain and gear set you can do whatever you want.

I agree stock 383 would likely be a 1 bolt cam
I have seen many cams with similar specs but they run completely different
From a lot of personal experience I can tell you the Lunatis make power & respond well
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: HP_Cuda on November 09, 2017, 09:51:44 AM

I loved the part where it says:

Vacuum = medium

:haha: :haha:
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: mjb765 on November 09, 2017, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on November 09, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: Shane Kelley on November 09, 2017, 05:37:26 AM
If it's stock it will more than likely be a 1 bolt. I agree with CP on using a 3 bolt set up.  Since your ordering a cam,  chain and gear set you can do whatever you want.

I agree stock 383 would likely be a 1 bolt cam
I have seen many cams with similar specs but they run completely different
From a lot of personal experience I can tell you the Lunatis make power & respond well

I'm guessing you mean this one....

http://www.lunatipower.com/CamSpecCard.aspx?partNumber=33702&t=d


Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: Chryco Psycho on November 09, 2017, 10:41:09 AM
I would like to know more about your combo before recommending a specific cam such as gear ratio in the diff , od trans or not , you want to be into the powerband @ highway cruising speed
either of these should work well as you have the 4 spd & std brakes so comnverter stall & manifold vacuum are less of a concern
https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/lun-10230702lk/overview/make/dodge
or
https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/lun-10230703lk/overview/make/dodge
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: mjb765 on November 09, 2017, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on November 09, 2017, 10:41:09 AM
I would like to know more about your combo before recommending a specific cam such as gear ratio in the diff , od trans or not , you want to be into the powerband @ highway cruising speed
either of these should work well as you have the 4 spd & std brakes so comnverter stall & manifold vacuum are less of a concern
https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/lun-10230702lk/overview/make/dodge
or
https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/lun-10230703lk/overview/make/dodge

No OD trans......3.55's in the rear. 28" tire
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: Chryco Psycho on November 09, 2017, 05:35:53 PM
So either cam will work well , with 3.55 I would move the rpm higher & use the 703 probably .
Most of the info was int he first post when I re read it sorry
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: mjb765 on November 09, 2017, 06:01:17 PM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on November 09, 2017, 05:35:53 PM
So either cam will work well , with 3.55 I would move the rpm higher & use the 703 probably .
Most of the info was int he first post when I re read it sorry

No worries...thanks for the suggestions
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: mjb765 on April 03, 2018, 10:07:19 AM
What do you guys think of this??

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=707&sb=2

Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: RUNCHARGER on April 03, 2018, 07:06:57 PM
It's not bad: I prefer Lunati quality and performance lately though.
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: Chryco Psycho on April 03, 2018, 07:14:11 PM
Even though the #s may look similar the Lunati will out perform the comp
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: mjb765 on April 04, 2018, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 03, 2018, 07:14:11 PM
Even though the #s may look similar the Lunati will out perform the comp

OK...Lunati it is!

And of course it is not in stock anywhere.....so it's 1-2 weeks......
Title: Re: Cam selection
Post by: usraptor on April 04, 2018, 07:15:23 PM
I followed Chryco's advise and bought a Lunati for my 440.  However I ordered the 704 version since my engine is a stroker with Aluminum heads, etc.  I'm very happy with the Lunati and  I don't think you will go wrong with one for your 383.  :banana: