I had been struggling to find a good quality reproduction motor mount for my 70 AAR Cuda with original 340 motor and K-member. Finally found what in my opinion is a quality part from Oreilly's Auto Parts. I wanted a motor mount that had the appearance of an original motor mount, and not a solid or poly mount. My search had gone as follows:
* Searched this forum for motor mount info, and found some good, but mostly bad comments about what is currently available in terms of an original appearing motor.
* Contacted Roseville, but they sell Anchor brand mounts that appear to have both quality and fit-up issues.
* Tried to source Mity Mounts through YearOne, but they were on a long back order list. Mity Mounts have also had fit-up issues as reported by other members on this site.
* Ordered Mag Mounts from Mancini, but returned them after inspection identified fit-up issues.
* Looked at mounts from Pioneer, but they appear to have quality issues similar to Anchor parts.
* Went to Oreilly's, and found a motor mount that in my opinion appears to be a quality part.
Oreilly's had parts from two suppliers under the same Oreilly part number B2250. One supplier was Anchor, and the other supplier was a company called Perfection. A tech support person from Perfection told me Oreilly's is transitioning away from Anchor and to Perfection. Comparing the Perfection part to my original motor mount, it matched very well. The steel was the same thickness, the weld nut was the same size, and the rubber-to-steel bonding appeared to be done well. I purchased the Perfection parts, and have installed them on my K-member. Bolt holes lined up well, and the mount sat flat on the K-member. I have not yet installed the engine onto the mounts, but the initial fit-up looks good.
The mount from Perfection is made in India, which made me skeptical at first. The are made by a company called Anand Motor Products (AMP). An internet search of the company AMP found they produce a lot of vibration mounting parts for many name brand auto and industrial companies. If you look for these parts at Oreilly's, be aware they still have old inventory of Anchor parts. You will need to have them look for new inventory from Perfection with the supplier part number 1739PA2250 as shown in the attached photo. The "1739" portion of the part number is a date code, so that portion will be different from part to part.
Long story I know, but thought this would help other members looking for a stock appearing motor mount for their 340 powered car.
Let us know if the bond lasts. I have been installing allen head through bolts on them all for a decade now. It would be nice to find a decent choice.
I still install a 1" wide 1/8" thick strap from the engine ear to the crossbolt through the mount so it will save your rad / shroud / hose when the mount fails . :alan2cents:
It is barely visable .
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on January 14, 2021, 06:01:28 PM
I still install a 1" strap from the engine ear to the crossbolt through the mount so it will save you rad / shroud / hose when the mount fails . :alan2cents:
I use a good old turnbuckle for peace of mind.
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on January 14, 2021, 06:01:28 PM
I still install a 1" wide 1/8" thick strap from the engine ear to the crossbolt through the mount so it will save your rad / shroud / hose when the mount fails . :alan2cents:
It is barely visable .
Chryco Psycho - do you have a picture of that setup? And do you do it with any engine, being it a 340, 383, 440, etc?
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on January 13, 2021, 08:20:39 AM
Let us know if the bond lasts. I have been installing allen head through bolts on them all for a decade now. It would be nice to find a decent choice.
RUNCHARGER - So you drill a hole through the entire mount and install an allen bolt to secure it?
@Gary AAR (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/gary-aar_3207) how are those mounts working out???
Quote from: Gary AAR on January 13, 2021, 07:48:48 AM
I had been struggling to find a good quality reproduction motor mount for my 70 AAR Cuda with original 340 motor and K-member. Finally found what in my opinion is a quality part from Oreilly's Auto Parts. I wanted a motor mount that had the appearance of an original motor mount, and not a solid or poly mount. My search had gone as follows:
* Searched this forum for motor mount info, and found some good, but mostly bad comments about what is currently available in terms of an original appearing motor.
* Contacted Roseville, but they sell Anchor brand mounts that appear to have both quality and fit-up issues.
* Tried to source Mity Mounts through YearOne, but they were on a long back order list. Mity Mounts have also had fit-up issues as reported by other members on this site.
* Ordered Mag Mounts from Mancini, but returned them after inspection identified fit-up issues.
* Looked at mounts from Pioneer, but they appear to have quality issues similar to Anchor parts.
* Went to Oreilly's, and found a motor mount that in my opinion appears to be a quality part.
Oreilly's had parts from two suppliers under the same Oreilly part number B2250. One supplier was Anchor, and the other supplier was a company called Perfection. A tech support person from Perfection told me Oreilly's is transitioning away from Anchor and to Perfection. Comparing the Perfection part to my original motor mount, it matched very well. The steel was the same thickness, the weld nut was the same size, and the rubber-to-steel bonding appeared to be done well. I purchased the Perfection parts, and have installed them on my K-member. Bolt holes lined up well, and the mount sat flat on the K-member. I have not yet installed the engine onto the mounts, but the initial fit-up looks good.
The mount from Perfection is made in India, which made me skeptical at first. The are made by a company called Anand Motor Products (AMP). An internet search of the company AMP found they produce a lot of vibration mounting parts for many name brand auto and industrial companies. If you look for these parts at Oreilly's, be aware they still have old inventory of Anchor parts. You will need to have them look for new inventory from Perfection with the supplier part number 1739PA2250 as shown in the attached photo. The "1739" portion of the part number is a date code, so that portion will be different from part to part.
Long story I know, but thought this would help other members looking for a stock appearing motor mount for their 340 powered car.
Do you have a picture of your setup?
I've never thought about that before.. :unbelievable:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on January 14, 2021, 06:01:28 PM
I still install a 1" wide 1/8" thick strap from the engine ear to the crossbolt through the mount so it will save your rad / shroud / hose when the mount fails . :alan2cents:
It is barely visable .
on my 360 i put in a new motor mount from Oreillys about 4 years ago... It lasted about 6 months before the rubber broke on it and it had to be replaced. Luckily nothing really got damaged.
Instead of replacing it with another "stock" mount from one of the local parts stores, i bought a set from Mancini Racing that in addition to the rubber mount also has a bolt thru is so that if the rubber or glue fails the bolt will still protect your engine. They came as a pair and i think cost around $50.
Only bothered to put in on passenger side and it has been in for 4 years no without an issue.
I saw those and think I am going to try them. Sad to think you have to worry about stock designed mounts these days ::)
Quote from: chargerdon on May 25, 2021, 01:03:45 PM
on my 360 i put in a new motor mount from Oreillys about 4 years ago... It lasted about 6 months before the rubber broke on it and it had to be replaced. Luckily nothing really got damaged.
Instead of replacing it with another "stock" mount from one of the local parts stores, i bought a set from Mancini Racing that in addition to the rubber mount also has a bolt thru is so that if the rubber or glue fails the bolt will still protect your engine. They came as a pair and i think cost around $50.
Only bothered to put in on passenger side and it has been in for 4 years no without an issue.
I believe it's the left (drivers side) mount that is the one that takes all the punishment. :alan2cents:
Yep the left mount is the one the engine tries to pull off the frame. Same side to place a torque strap.
Quote from: JS29 on May 25, 2021, 02:50:52 PM
I believe it's the left (drivers side) mount that is the one that takes all the punishment. :alan2cents:
I've always used a torque strap with my 440's, B & E bodies. But when I rebuilt the motor in my current Challenger I got some poly-locs from Schumacher (along with headers) and they are excellent going on ~6 years. Sadly I understand they are no longer in business.
I keep hearing Mancini mounts are 50 but when I check it's 250
I just run a bolt through them
Mancini mounts with a bolt through the rubber portion - or at least that's how I interpret it. $64.95
https://www.manciniracing.com/benmaset.html
Fits: B & E Body
Stronger than Stock! Mancini Racing modifies the factory style rubber mount with a countersunk bolt.
The tapered bolt prevents the mount from coming apart, like a studded rubber mount.
Rubber mount kit reduces vibrations, unlike solid or PolyLoc mounts.
I ordered a pair of those today.
Quote from: ZippyZoo on May 26, 2021, 05:14:27 PM
Mancini mounts with a bolt through the rubber portion - or at least that's how I interpret it. $64.95
https://www.manciniracing.com/benmaset.html
Fits: B & E Body
Stronger than Stock! Mancini Racing modifies the factory style rubber mount with a countersunk bolt.
The tapered bolt prevents the mount from coming apart, like a studded rubber mount.
Rubber mount kit reduces vibrations, unlike solid or PolyLoc mounts.
Quote from: Mrbill426 on May 26, 2021, 07:59:16 PM
I ordered a pair of those today.
Quote from: ZippyZoo on May 26, 2021, 05:14:27 PM
Mancini mounts with a bolt through the rubber portion - or at least that's how I interpret it. $64.95
https://www.manciniracing.com/benmaset.html
Fits: B & E Body
Stronger than Stock! Mancini Racing modifies the factory style rubber mount with a countersunk bolt.
The tapeered bolt prevents the mount from coming apart, like a studded rubber mount.
I put those on 10 years ago when I rebuilt my motor. No problems.
Rubber mount kit reduces vibrations, unlike solid or PolyLoc mounts.
I had ordered a set of Mancini mounts, and when I tried to install them they did not fit right. When I would install the bolt through the mount and k-member holes, the mount wouldn't lay flat against the k-member. If I removed the bolt and allowed the mount to sit flat on the k-member, then the bolt holes in the mount and k-member wouldn't line up. Maybe I just had a bad set of mounts. I was trying to use them on my stock 70 Cuda with 340.
When you get yours, let us know if you have similar fit up issues that I had.
I have the same problem on the Mancini Magnum mounts that the bolt holes don't line up sitting in the k frame. It is a quality control issue as there are others that has no issue with the mounts.
Quote from: ZippyZoo on May 26, 2021, 05:14:27 PM
Mancini mounts with a bolt through the rubber portion - or at least that's how I interpret it. $64.95
https://www.manciniracing.com/benmaset.html
Fits: B & E Body
Stronger than Stock! Mancini Racing modifies the factory style rubber mount with a countersunk bolt.
The tapered bolt prevents the mount from coming apart, like a studded rubber mount.
Rubber mount kit reduces vibrations, unlike solid or PolyLoc mounts.
Great ! Now that I find them for cheap they don't fit lol can't win with mopar
I might just buy some local and add a bolt like they did
I had similar fitment issues with the new Mancini mounts. I needed to replace the passenger side poly lock that was trashed. The bends in the saddle were too close and it would not sit flush on the k-member.
New Mancini part...
(https://www.thelightninground.com/filedata/fetch?id=1180&d=1589134589)
Old Mancini part
(https://www.thelightninground.com/filedata/fetch?id=1181&d=1589134666)
I ended up using a stock rubber mount on the passenger side as the poly lockers seem to have issues being on the compression side. The drivers side was fine and working as intended.
On a related note, my Mancini engine adapters seemed to suffer similar fitment issues. Even bone stock rubber mounts would not work correctly.
Mancini adapter:
(https://www.thelightninground.com/filedata/fetch?id=1564&d=1595959264)
NOS adapter I purchased from Ebay:
(https://www.thelightninground.com/filedata/fetch?id=1565&d=1595959404)
Side by side Mancini and OEM, Mancini on Left. Note I replaced the rubber mount with a new one while I was in there. I did try the new mount on the Mancini adapter and it had the same issue.
(https://www.thelightninground.com/filedata/fetch?id=1566&d=1595959508)
Let us know how your new pinned mounts work out.
GL!
:bigthumb:
^^^ No idea how they are getting relatively simple parts manufactured so out of spec. and shipping them?
Thanks for reporting back.
Quotethe holes on the ears for the long through bolt are drilled too high up on the ears and as a result when you bolt them to the K-frame the mounts do not sit on the frame pad; the bolt takes the load. They are going back to Mancini
Sounds like all it would take for it to fit is 5 minutes with an air grinder to open up the holes a little bigger.
Interesting, I'm restoring a 71 Cuda convertible right now for a customer and since he needed mounts and I have a few sets in stock, INCLUDING the Mancini Mag Mounts, which I was going to sell him.......
I thought I would try them out....First picture is the Mancini mount, second is a el'cheapo Anchor mount....
I do agree with Darren, it's a pretty fix, but why should you have to ? :huh:
You shouldn't have to. I agree there. But I wouldn't send them back because of it. Car parts need to be modified all the time. It's nothing new. Getting out the grinder is easier IMO then the hassle to send them back.
I think I would just knock the nut off the mount :dunno:
Thank You for taking time to provide feedback to Mancini. You represent a few of us I think. I was too lazy myself and was focusing getting the car back together. The metal thickness is also thinner than the stock mounts.
Yea it would be interesting to hear what Mancini says...likely point the finger at some out-sourced company....be sure to tell them pictures are posted on the internet :takepicture:
Quote from: anlauto on June 05, 2021, 06:04:44 AM
Yea it would be interesting to hear what Mancini says...likely point the finger at some out-sourced company....be sure to tell them pictures are posted on the internet :takepicture:
I did not get a reply... I sent along photos as well IIRC.
They just set up the refund.
:dunno:
Thank you, it will be neat to see if anything becomes of it :thinking:
They seem to be interested in the issue so let's hope so.
Here are comparison sight pictures of my original (the dirty one) and the Mancini Magmount for the B & E bodies.
Quote from: anlauto on June 05, 2021, 01:26:42 PM
Thank you, it will be neat to see if anything becomes of it :thinking:
*** Update... Per Fedex tracking Mancini Racing received my returned engine mounts this morning, and I just received a credit notice from my bank for the full purchase price incl shipping. so kudos to them. :bigthumb:
Now hopefully they will fix the problem. A couple comparison photos of the Magmount vs the stock aftermarket mount on the K-frame.
Good on them :twothumbsup: