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So I have a project going where I am replacing the side and door glass in my 70 cuda convertible.  I put the glass in this car when I restored it and sad to say when I did the restoration, there was not a good source for the new glass.  I ended up buying some repops that I drove to Chicago to pick up and after some checking  . . . they were not the exact same curve as the original.  I did get the new stuff installed but never fit right no matter how much I tried to adjust.  So I have been just dealing with it as most of the time, the glass is down . . so out of sight . . . out of mind.   ::)

I went to the Mopar show in Canada this year for the first time and leaving the car in the lot, I have to roll up the windows of course . . . just bugs me that it looks so sh!tty . . . So I have bought some new replacement glass that I'm told will fit better!  Excited!    :drunk: 

I started with the passenger door, got the old glass out and the new glass into the door.  While attaching the scissors to the rear attachment, the glass shattered.   :huh:    I pretty much just stopped, turned off the lights and went in for a beer . . . or 10.  Next day, I started cleaning up all the glass (still am) and trying to figure out what went wrong? 

So my question is, look at the picture below, am I missing something that attaches to the metal bracket where the screw for the bracket attaches?  Is there a plastic washer that goes between the glass and the bracket?  All help is always greatly appreciated!   I have the replacement now for the one that I broke.

MOST important part is a little 1/4" long piece of rubber hose that cover any bolt any passes through the glass. For example in your picture, when you bolt that triangle piece to the glass there is a threaded stud that goes through the glass, it needs a rubber hose over it, then a hard paper washer, then the nut.
Same goes for the vertical channel that bolts along the bottom of the glass. That 1/4-20 bolt should have rubber hose over it as well.

Very important step. :alan2cents:

Another thing VERY IMPORTANT....Between that vertical channel and the glass is a metal washer at that rear bolt in your picture. It's a special washer with a raised center :alan2cents:

Quote from: anlauto on January 20, 2017, 11:50:37 AM
MOST important part is a little 1/4" long piece of rubber hose that cover any bolt any passes through the glass. For example in your picture, when you bolt that triangle piece to the glass there is a threaded stud that goes through the glass, it needs a rubber hose over it, then a hard paper washer, then the nut.
Same goes for the vertical channel that bolts along the bottom of the glass. That 1/4-20 bolt should have rubber hose over it as well.

Very important step. :alan2cents:

Well I can tell you that I have nothing that looks like what you are describing . . .  :thinking:

Let me see if I have some photos of some I've done in the past....  stand by:

I can zoom in (get you close ups) on any of these photos if it helps.  I'll look for more photos too...

Quote from: Spikedog08 on January 20, 2017, 11:56:56 AM




Well I can tell you that I have nothing that looks like what you are describing . . .  :thinking:

If you didn't have the washer in place as well as the rubber hose, that's why your glass broke...I've been there and done that many years ago.

Here is a pic of the backing gasket to the metal triangle and the washer with raised portion.

I did not have the rubber piece but cut a piece of 3/8 vapor line to show you what it looks like.

B

I'm just looking at some of my old photos in hopes of finding some that help you see what you need to see.  A bunch of E-Body window photos....

Some more photos....

Cody's 4th picture down of the green door shows the washer I'm talking about. Without that your glass will break :alan2cents:

This photo?

Quote from: anlauto on January 20, 2017, 12:45:18 PM
Cody's 4th picture down of the green door shows the washer I'm talking about. Without that your glass will break :alan2cents:

So is it just a nylon washer?   :lookatthat:

Quote from: Spikedog08 on January 20, 2017, 01:12:09 PM
So is it just a nylon washer?   :lookatthat:

Yes Cody that's the picture thanks...
NO...it's steel.

That's one of the reasons I love going through the swap meets.  Finding those little hard to get pieces that you have to have when putting these cars back together.  Does anyone even repop those?

Funny doesn't it look like this out of the car?

Hint: circled in orange.  :unitedstates:

 :rofl:  I don't know, go ahead and send it to me and I'll take a closer look.   :rofl:  (I can never find enough of those washers.  They're always missing!)

Quote from: HP_Cuda on January 20, 2017, 01:46:33 PM
Funny doesn't it look like this out of the car?

Hint: circled in orange.  :unitedstates:

Sure just send a cashiers check for 15k or hell just a T/A project will do... :yes:

Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 20, 2017, 01:50:06 PM
:rofl:  I don't know, go ahead and send it to me and I'll take a closer look.   :rofl:  (I can never find enough of those washers.  They're always missing!)

Quote from: HP_Cuda on January 20, 2017, 01:46:33 PM
Funny doesn't it look like this out of the car?

Hint: circled in orange.  :unitedstates:

So is this metal washer on both ends or just where the metal triangle piece is?  And all bolts that go through the glass need a rubber sleeve . . .  :thinking:  I will have to do some digging and see if I can find these washers.  I guess I can go and look in the extra pair of doors that I have at my moms. 

Metal washer only on the triangle plate end. The other end has a nylon insert in the window, which is in your picture. :bradsthumb:

So if I can't find these washers . .  Does anyone sell them?   I'm gonna dig through my parts bin but I doubt I'll find one . . Wouldn't surprise me if I need one for the other side as well . . .  :dunno:

@Spikedog08 (http://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11) the 2 places I would look is

https://www.amkproducts.com/bulk2.asp?code=8910&title=Washers+-+Cupped (https://www.amkproducts.com/bulk2.asp?code=8910&title=Washers+-+Cupped)
https://www.amkproducts.com/bulk1.asp (https://www.amkproducts.com/bulk1.asp)
Davod at Roseville can order you the AMK stuff

and check here:

http://www.rtspecialties.net/ (http://www.rtspecialties.net/)

Quote from: Spikedog08 on January 21, 2017, 09:00:18 AM
So if I can't find these washers . .  Does anyone sell them?   I'm gonna dig through my parts bin but I doubt I'll find one . . Wouldn't surprise me if I need one for the other side as well . . .  :dunno:

Look in the bottom of your door :alan2cents:

And you can keep an eye on ebay for parts piles like this....  [ebay]182428201070[/ebay]

Quote from: anlauto on January 21, 2017, 09:22:38 AM
Look in the bottom of your door :alan2cents:

I will look through the vacuum and see what I can find . . . Cleaned the bottom of the door pretty good already . . .

After looking through your links, I need to go to the hardware store and see what I can find.  I have a hardware store in my little town here that has an incredible amount of nuts and bolts!  Pretty much everything! 

So I have the drivers side door glass installed and most of the adjustments lose but it is really hard to roll up?  I got it about half way but stopped as I don't want to break it.  So what are the tricks I need to know to get this aligned properly?  Do I need to lube the tracks with anything?  I still have some of the guides with the fur on them out . . . If that matters . .

It should not be binding at all if it's all loose on the adjustments.   :thinking:

I use white lithium grease (not the spray type) on the tracks before I put them together.  You need to find what is binding.  It's only going to get worse once you tighten everything up.

 :iagree:

Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 20, 2017, 12:43:58 PM
Some more photos....

So the first picture with the rear track . . . Does that slide onto something or does the track just sit up against it?

Slides in to the part...

(https://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=371.0;attach=2674;image)

Quote from: Spikedog08 on January 27, 2017, 02:54:51 PM

Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 20, 2017, 12:43:58 PM
Some more photos....

So the first picture with the rear track . . . Does that slide onto something or does the track just sit up against it?

The blue piece and the spring at the top come together to provide a safety stop...  (see the spring in the photo above at the end of the bracket)

(https://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=371.0;attach=2676;image)

Do these photos help?

Ok well I think that is probably the issue . . Will work on it again tomorrow . .   :bricks:  I bet the other door will be way easier!   ;)

OK so I went back out and pulled the rear track back out to inspect and see below as to what I found after looking at your pictures!   Where the slot is for the stop is fiberglass over . . and of course the spring wasn't there to begin with?  :Thud:


But good news, after pulling out that track, the window went up pretty easy . . .  :clapping:  So now what to do to make it work properly??

So now the window moves easier?  That's a good start.   :clapping:

It doesn't look like the guide is bent, but maybe it is and that might be the whole reason this has been a problem?   :notsure:  Do you you have an extra one you can swap it out with to test? 

Is a hardtop one the same . . I have a pair of doors at my moms and the passenger one is complete with glass and all normal hardware . .  I will steal that one tomorrow I think . . Unless there is a better idea.  Surprised the other glass rolled up?  Sure seems to be quite of few pieces missing?  If I remember right, the extra drivers door I stole the sizzor gear out of it as the convertible one was shot. 

:dunno:

I've never done a convertible so not sure if they are different.  I would be very surprised if they were different.  The doors are the same so my guess if they are the same.  Let us know how it works with a different guide.  :fingerscrossed:

Hardtop and convertible are the same :alan2cents:

Yeah I assume they are same as well . . . Will try to get to my spare doors tomorrow . . My truck is getting a new windshield and the wife and I go bowling around 3  . . But this was something I thought would be easy and so far . .  :bricks:   Hope to get this sorted out quickly as I have 3 more windows to tackle . . .

Spike

Did you find the washers you need? I may be able to help you at least partially.

Let me know,
B

Quote from: Spikedog08 on January 21, 2017, 09:00:18 AM
So if I can't find these washers . .  Does anyone sell them?   I'm gonna dig through my parts bin but I doubt I'll find one . . Wouldn't surprise me if I need one for the other side as well . . .  :dunno:

Quote from: Spikedog08 on January 27, 2017, 03:36:58 PM
OK so I went back out and pulled the rear track back out to inspect and see below as to what I found after looking at your pictures!   Where the slot is for the stop is fiberglass over . . and of course the spring wasn't there to begin with?  :Thud:


But good news, after pulling out that track, the window went up pretty easy . . .  :clapping:  So now what to do to make it work properly??

So I went and pulled both of the back brackets out of the spare doors and both appear to be complete with spring and stop . . . Certainly curious why someone would fiberglass over the slot where that would go. 

So my question is . . . What is the trick to installing this bracket / track?  Does the glass guide fit in this a certain way?  Can it be done once the glass in installed in the door? Gonna mess with it again this afternoon . . .

I have the bracket on the window before it goes in the door.  The long guide needs to be installed in the door, but leave it somewhat loose.  It really helps to have 2 people to get the glass in so you make sure you don't scratch it, but I've done them myself before.  I wish I was there to give you a hand. 

I saw your picture with the glass on the table with the guide sitting on it and that is what made me bring this up.  I get the feeling I am pulling this back out of the door and try again . . .  :huh:

I can see how that would confuse things.  But no, the long piece that the window slides in does not go on before the window goes in.  Not why I took a photo of it that way.   :looney:  This is how the window looks before putting it in:

Were you able to find the missing fastener you needed?

Quote from: Spikedog08 on March 04, 2017, 09:00:17 AM
I saw your picture with the glass on the table with the guide sitting on it and that is what made me bring this up.  I get the feeling I am pulling this back out of the door and try again . . .  :huh:

Here's how I do it....I love installing E Body door glass it's my favorite part of the re-assembly. :inlove:

Assemble all the latches, rods, handles, etc...first.
Install the regulator with the horizontal track on it.
Install the rear track (the one in question here)
Install the large front track lower "L" bracket only.

Then slide the front track on the glass and hold it with your hand while you slide the glass in. Hook the glass on the rear track, bolt in the front track and horizontal track and away you go...


Install the upstops, window guides and the window fuzzie.

Quote from: anlauto on March 04, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
Here's how I do it....I love installing E Body door glass it's my favorite part of the re-assembly. :inlove:

Assembly all the latches, rods, handles, etc...first.
Install the regulator with the horizontal track on it.
Install the rear track (the one in question here)
Install the large front track lower "L" bracket only.

Then slide the front track on the glass and hold it with you hand while you slide the glass in. Hook the glass on the rear track, bolt in the front track and horizontal track and away you go...


Install the upstops, window guides and the window fuzzie.

You made that sound so easy . . . Interesting that you separated the one bracket . . .

I learned this method years ago when I actually took time to read the Factory Service Manual and not just look at the pictures :haha:

Quote from: anlauto on March 04, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
Hook the glass on the rear track . .

I guess this is where I'm having issues . . . How does it hook?  Does it have to slide in from the top of the channel?   :dunno:

 :twothumbsup:  I'm going to try it this way next time!   :cool:

Quote from: anlauto on March 04, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
Here's how I do it....I love installing E Body door glass it's my favorite part of the re-assembly. :inlove:

Assembly all the latches, rods, handles, etc...first.
Install the regulator with the horizontal track on it.
Install the rear track (the one in question here)
Install the large front track lower "L" bracket only.

Then slide the front track on the glass and hold it with you hand while you slide the glass in. Hook the glass on the rear track, bolt in the front track and horizontal track and away you go...


Install the upstops, window guides and the window fuzzie.

Quote from: Spikedog08 on March 04, 2017, 09:46:25 AM

Quote from: anlauto on March 04, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
Hook the glass on the rear track . .

I guess this is where I'm having issues . . . How does it hook?  Does it have to slide in from the top of the channel?   :dunno:

With those blue wedges you'll never slide it in from the top. Bolt the rear channel in the door....Once the glass is in the door, just move it backwards and literally "hook it on"... ;)

Ok that is where I'm at right now . . . See if I can get it hooked . . . Thanks the info Alan . .  :worship:

OK Had a chance to get out in the garage again this afternoon!!  One door glass is in and going up and down . . . so here is my next set of questions . . . please review the pictures . . . CLINK ON PIC TO ENLARGE!

Is there a way to adjust so the back of the glass comes up and the front goes down?  I have the adjustments on the bottom of the door loose but looks like the front corner doesn't seal well and the rear top corner needs to come up a little.  I also don't have the guides in . . . Should I get everything in and then adjust?   

All in all . . . pretty happy that one is in and moving up and down!   :banana:  :banana:  :banana:  :banana:  :banana:

Adjust the upstops  :alan2cents:

Funny I was just replacing my upstop bump stops and I rolled the window up just before the bump stops and then loosened them a tiny bit and then took the window to exactly where I wanted it.

Then I tightened them down, worked a charm.

I use Alan's method as well. Hardest part seems to be wiggling the darn glass into the door at the start.

Man that looks good! Nice job SpikeDog.

Following. The part I am looking forward to the least on my build is setting the glass!

Did I miss it, or are there any recommended hardware/bushing kits out there that I should order for the door and 1/4 glass?

the rear plate with the short slide & 2 nut on it will move up & down & correct the angle of the top of the glass  I know ,, no pix  :Thud:

That plate actually does fore/aft adjustment. It won't level out the glass :alan2cents:

Anyone want to give me a quick quarter window 101 course . . . Seat out, panel removed.  Not sure if it makes a difference if it is a convertible or not . . . All help is always appreciated!   :worship:  Cant imagine it can be too difficult. 

Just my luck I found this thread AFTER I rebuilt my drivers side window. I pretty much did like @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) , I bought a complete bushing set from Y1. that thing is as smooth as a, well you get the idea. Only problem I had to look for the bump stops since they were long gone. Still looking for the upper.

Quote from: RUNCHARGER on May 04, 2017, 10:16:09 AM
Those are available, Probably call Dave at Roseville. I get them from National Moparts in Canada.

Thanks for the heads up . . yes Dave at Roseville has them.  Considering a 45 min one way trip to the store to get them.   

I may have used spares of those if you want to pay for shipping.

Otherwise if you want to get ones from Dave I completely understand.

I hate to be the person who beats the proverbial dead horse  :deadhorse:, but while some days I really enjoy working on my 'Cuda, other days I get so frustrated that I wonder why I even began this project, like now, and wonder if I'll ever get it done.  I consider myself a pretty good back yard mechanic, having done (and still do) all my own maintenance and repairs on all my cars, trucks, M/Cs, ATVS, etc. for the past 53 years; but I'm obviously more visual when it comes to learning how to do certain things that I've never done before.   While I had no problem installing the back quarter windows and regulators the doors are making me crazy.  I have read and re-read the service manual until I think I can recite it verbatim,  I have read  and re-read this thread and all the suggestions, I've printed off the pictures that Cody so graciously posted, searched C.C.com, the internet, you tube, and google and think I finally have this figured out, but I'm still not certain I've figured out how to mount the door window glass to the regulators and attach same to the door.  While the service manual, Alan's directions, and pictures Cody posted are good and very useful, they don't show the detail I need regarding what nuts and bolts to use.  While I thought I did a good job of bagging and tagging when I dismantled the 'Cuda in 2009, I obviously didn't because I can't find certain nuts, bolts, washers, etc. that I know I have but can't find anywhere  :pullinghair: :verymad:, like the ones needed to attach the door glass to the lift channel.  I've attached pictures of the mounting points I'm talking about circled in red.  I've also attached possible candidates for the proper screws/bolts used to attach the glass to the lift channel at the two mounting points that I found in my misc. nuts and bolts jar.  If any of them look like the proper ones can you please advise me of the corresponding #?  If none do, I would greatly appreciate it if somebody could post a picture of the proper screws/bolts to use as I'm at a loss.  I even looked up the various vendors that sell the window hardware, and while they have pictures of the hardware, they don't tell you where it goes on the window/regulator and from what I've see don't sell the necessary bolts/screws anyway.

Lastly, the lift channel has a slot at one end and just a hole at the other.  Does it matter which direction the slop faces (front or rear of the car) and if so which is it?  Again, the service manual or pictures Cody posted don't show this detail. 

Sorry for being such a pain, but I need the experts help here.  :help:

Looking through some spare wondow parts I could not find the bolt you are talking about.  Maybe @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19)  knows?   :fingerscrossed:

I did see that it appears they switched hardware types at some point.

Alan is the best!!!!   :banana: 

Quote from: usraptor on May 23, 2017, 06:12:11 PM
Thank you Alan, you're a life saver!   :twothumbsup: :worship:  The info is very much appreciated.  :bigthumb: :thankyou:

Here is a pic of the other side and I believe the bolt is part of the triangle.

Here's a photo from Edward Blauvelt on the Facebook Group.  Really nice the way he has it set up.  Thought it might be helpful to anyone looking at this thread.

Quote from: Cuda Cody on May 24, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
Here's a photo from Edward Blauvelt on the Facebook Group.  Really nice the way he has it set up.  Thought it might be helpful to anyone looking at this thread.

I think the regulator & the lower track section are reversed...

This is very helpful to me.Is there a place I could by the fuzzy material that goes on the small braces,mine is all worn out.

@Gerry (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/gerry_525)  you can get the felt at your local fabric store and glue it in place..  If you need new rubber up stops you can get them here:

http://www.steelerubber.com/glass-up-stop-bumper-70-3623-62

Good luck!   :drinkingbud:

Quote from: Gerry on May 26, 2017, 07:57:12 AM
This is very helpful to me.Is there a place I could by the fuzzy material that goes on the small braces,mine is all worn out.

Quote from: anlauto on March 04, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
Here's how I do it....I love installing E Body door glass it's my favorite part of the re-assembly. :inlove:

Assemble all the latches, rods, handles, etc...first.
Install the regulator with the horizontal track on it.
Install the rear track (the one in question here)
Install the large front track lower "L" bracket only.

Then slide the front track on the glass and hold it with your hand while you slide the glass in. Hook the glass on the rear track, bolt in the front track and horizontal track and away you go...


Install the upstops, window guides and the window fuzzie.

"With those blue wedges you'll never slide it in from the top. Bolt the rear channel in the door....Once the glass is in the door, just move it backwards and literally "hook it on"..."

If anybody follows Alan's directions here your life will will good.  :banana: No need to look any further! He did add a little caveat down on the thread further that I wished i had seen so I will put it here. Thank you Alan!  :cheers:

Quote from: Chryco Psycho on March 12, 2017, 07:23:45 PM
the rear plate with the short slide & 2 nut on it will move up & down & correct the angle of the top of the glass  I know ,, no pix  :Thud:

So it's good practice to adjust the rear guide plate up or down as needed? I just installed one of my door glasses and can't seem to get it to roll up high enough with ease. I can force it but it's not right. Stops are loose at this point so it's not that. The problem is that the two plastic wedges meet up before glass reaches needed height.

When I saw this post I realized that I could lower the plate a bit if possible. Doesn't need much.

This is a great thread and thanks for all the help.

Well I think I just answered my own question after taking some pics of the rear track guide bracket. The plastic rear stop that goes through the stabilizer guide plate will not allow you to move it up or down. See pics

This is what is causing the problem I think. Wedges are keeping glass from coming up as high as needed. 1st pic.

I've raised the rear track as high as I can.

2nd pic is where it stops from the front track perspective.

Upper stop brackets are loose at this point.

Maybe raising the idler arm pivot bracket will do it.

Off topic, but what type of grease is everyone using on tracks and rollers?


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I'm using Sil-Glide from NAPA

Like Cody suggested, white lithium grease.  Not the spray, the paste that comes in a tube.

Ok I am getting a tad flustered with my passenger door. This is an old regulator, that worked fine before, and new glass.

My issues:
-it's not the easiest to move and seems to be binding up, where I am unsure. Every bolt is loose on it except the two on the longitudinal bar on the regulator.

-The rear of the glass is far too high compared to the front. Both when up, and when down. For the life of me, I cannot seem to adjust this out. The glass does not touch the bump stop when fully down and is nearly touching the lower track bracket in the front.

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I am to a point where I think I will remove what I have and overlay the new glass over the old and look for variances.

I suppose buying new hardware may help make it operate smoother, but I can't help but think that I have something screwed up. I've referenced the manual a dozen times and can't find an issue.








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 :o  That is way off.  Take a break from it and sleep on it.  Maybe have a friend give you a hand as they might see something you are not.  Do you have your old glass you can put in and test to see if it's the glass that is the issue?

Quote from: Cuda Cody on July 26, 2017, 09:40:16 PM
:o  That is way off.  Take a break from it and sleep on it.  Maybe have a friend give you a hand as they might see something you are not.  Do you have your old glass you can put in and test to see if it's the glass that is the issue?

That's a next step to pull the glass and compare. I may just jump over to the driver's side with the old glass and see if I learn anything.

If I somewhat force the window all the way down, it will level out some and get close to the bump stop.

I do not have any upstops installed, but I also cannot hold the back of the glass as it goes up and make it remotely level out. I don't see an upstop helping much, especially because it doesn't want to sit well down either.

I went through it all with mine and learned a lot. You may try loosening everything. The two Front track bolts top and bottom, pivot plate, rear guide top bolt, guide plate with the wedge that bolts to glass. Are the bolt holes in door for the regulator itself in good shape?

With all of this loose you should be able to see what the issue is and from your pics it looks like you're not getting enough travel up on the front track. Though it wasn't that bad on mine, I found that lowering the pivot plate raised the front of glass.

Does your interior panel fit ? Because I'm guessing you have the regulator in the wrong "square" hole.

Quote from: anlauto on July 27, 2017, 04:00:30 AM
Does your interior panel fit ? Because I'm guessing you have the regulator in the wrong "square" hole.

It does fit, its in the lower square hole. Thanks

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@GoodysGotaCuda (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/goodysgotacuda_66) I read your post again and realized that everything is loose so that doesn't help. Comparing the glass with original like you've mentioned seems like your next logical move.



Interested in what you discover so please keep us informed.

Quote from: anlauto on July 27, 2017, 06:14:31 AM
Okay...Well that was just my first thought (early morning).
How about the rear track slide...Is it riding in the track correctly or on the outside of the track ? Hard to tell from your pictures.

I was hoping I made a bonehead move and my fix would be that easy!

The C on the glass bracket is riding within the C of the rear track bracket.

The rear track bracket C opening is facing the rear of the car.

On the front slides, there is supposed to be an open hole between them for accessing the upper Allen bolt, yes?

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I can't seem to figure out why the glass is so low on the front and high on the rear. I think this evening I will compare glass and try to install the old glass on the drivers side. Perhaps that will go well and help me see what I'm missing on the other side, assuming the new glass is right.


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How about loosening the lower bolts for the two tracks and then loosen the pivot bracket adjustment like the image below.

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I will be working on the glass this morning and will provide a status update.

In the meantime, what are you all using for these paper thin washers?

Buying? Making?

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I overplayed the new and old glass and it went well for the drivers side. I do not have any concerns with the drivers side glass.

I put the old glass in on the drivers side, it works much smoother and I won't have any issues aligning it.

Once my new hardware gets here on Monday, I'll get that side in. I'll tear down the passenger side again and see if I can find where things are going wrong.

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Looking good.  Once you get the drip rails in it should be easy to line up.

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What kind of flushness can I expect from door to quarter glass? As you can see, I am off about the thickness of the glass and am not getting a reasonable seal.

I believe my issue may stem from the 1/4 window, the forward edge is pretty hard on the -inside- seal [on the 1/4 kick panel] and not touching the outside seal [with the chrome lip] at the very front. Hinting that the front of the 1/4 window is pitched in toward the center of the car...I'll have to work through that.



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They should line up pretty closely.  I had the same issue with mine.  Took a little bit of adjustment of both the door glass and the quarter window glass to get them to align with each other. The door glass can be adjusted by loosening the bolts on the bottom of the forward and rear vertical tracks and sliding in or out.  On the quarter glass you have to undo the jam nuts on both the top and bottom adjusting screws and then use a screwdriver to adjust the tracks in and/or out.

Goody, did you check to see if the slide in the horizontal track is hitting the track bolt?

Also, try adjusting the short track that has the regulator roller in it. It could also be in upside-down.

I'm working on a 71 that a po super-genius took the glass out of. I bought the plastic parts kit from Van's Auto, but where do I get the metal parts that might be missing? I ignorantly thought this would be a "complete" kit. At least I have the triangle pieces and the tracks appear to still be in the doors.

Can "paper" washers be made from thin high density foam?

As an unrelated comment, this is an A/C car with CLEAR side glass. Tinted windshield only. There goes your "All A/C cars have tinted glass" theory.

I had a 1971 Cuda with A/C coded G21 for "clear glass with AC"

One more thing...does anyone have pics of ALL the correct hardware and horizontal track assembled on one door glass? All these small, through the door pics really aren't connecting to my limited brain cells.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mopar-70-71-72-E-Body-Cuda-Challenger-Door-Window-Roller-Hardware-Kit-NEW/362099003778?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

This is the kit I got.

Quote from: anlauto on March 04, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
Here's how I do it....I love installing E Body door glass it's my favorite part of the re-assembly. :inlove:

Assemble all the latches, rods, handles, etc...first.
Install the regulator with the horizontal track on it.
Install the rear track (the one in question here)
Install the large front track lower "L" bracket only.

Then slide the front track on the glass and hold it with your hand while you slide the glass in. Hook the glass on the rear track, bolt in the front track and horizontal track and away you go...


Install the upstops, window guides and the window fuzzie.

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So just to confirm I can install the two items in the pictures below after the glass is in the door?  Thanks

Hey Alan or Cody, do either of you guys have one of the paper gaskets that I can use as a template to duplicate those?

Quote from: quapman on October 20, 2017, 03:42:56 AM
I'm working on a 71 that a po super-genius took the glass out of. I bought the plastic parts kit from Van's Auto, but where do I get the metal parts that might be missing? I ignorantly thought this would be a "complete" kit. At least I have the triangle pieces and the tracks appear to still be in the doors.

Can "paper" washers be made from thin high density foam?

As an unrelated comment, this is an A/C car with CLEAR side glass. Tinted windshield only. There goes your "All A/C cars have tinted glass" theory.

Just found this forum and this thread in particular has saved my day! I got the repair kit for my window runners for my 73/70 Challenger Sam Posey tribute car in the UK but was struggling to work out how to fit it all to stop my glass dropping into the door.

This helped no end and Ive got the whole thing back together and a functioning door glass again.
I did have to grind off the glass channel ball joints and hammer the new ones in place.

Thank you all.

Welcome to the site @MattH (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/matth_2140)   :welcome:  Hey @Brads70 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/brads70_12)  check out his cool car!   :wowzers:

Quote from: anlauto on February 15, 2019, 05:12:07 AM
I've never seen any type of replacement for that guide.

So, what do you use when you find trashed rubber in one of them? Is there a generic weatherstripping that will work?

What would "I" do ?  I would find another triangle piece with good felt. They are not that hard to find and don't usually get destroyed. :alan2cents:

This felt in this piece?

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Quote from: HP_Cuda on February 15, 2019, 01:29:10 PM

This felt in this piece?

That's the piece. Is it supposed to be felt in the track? Mine have rubber.

On my piece that I have , it's rubber backed felt.

So, have to ask, are the 70 brackets the same as the 74 brackets? Seeing as how the rollers changed, did these also? Or did someone just replace the felt in mine with rubber?

I've never seen rubber, and to me it doesn't make sense being there because rubber would cause friction when operating the window. :alan2cents:

@JpRngr (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/jprngr_963) here is a picture of the bolts and spring for the 1/4 window that you need  I checked R/T specialties and see no bolts or springs that are available . you would either have to modify/machine one of the larger bolts to fit or like everyone else and go to all the local swap meets and look in every box of stuff for the bolts etc. Maybe other members will have spare bolts springs. Good luck

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Quote from: anlauto on July 27, 2017, 04:00:30 AM
Does your interior panel fit ? Because I'm guessing you have the regulator in the wrong "square" hole.

It does fit, its in the lower square hole. Thanks

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I realize this thread is old and you probably got it figured it out by now, but I am just getting to read this thread now as I was searching for tips in anticipation of installing my glass. 

Isn't the regulator in the wrong square hole?  Doesn't it go in the upper hole?   
And why are there two holes?  Is one for power windows?

Any ideas on where these go?  I found the white plastic washer on the floor behind my car where I was carrying the parts from the drivers door.  Also the black piece looks like is was torn.  But not really sure where is goes anyway.

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I signed up in 2018. This is my first effort at posting. Heart Disease has derailed my restoration efforts until recently. Most would consider me old. I am trying to fill a 40 year old hole in my heart that was caused when I had to sell my 73 Cuda, I had finished bringing back to life, 6 months before, in order to pay for my little kids. THIS 73 Barracuda has a lot of trouble.

In this matter, the right door window was rolled down and won't come back up. The original glass is so cruddy, I can't see through it but it seems likely it is out of the track. The upper glass is pressing against the outside of the door window opening and showing about 1-2 inches of glass.

Is there a neat gee whiz trick to remedying this?

I carpenter and do a lot of things quite well. I've maintained my own vehicles all my life. But at this point I am not even sure I can remove the window stop at the bottom of the door without damaging the tab. I have reprints of factory manuals for this car, and quite a few vintage manuals as well but nothing has the kind of information you folks share. Aside from your vast experience are there any sources for this type of information, either in print or internet based? I have been searching for a few years now.

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That's a 1970 piece, there no rivets, only those two screws :alan2cents:

Right DOOR glass, not quarter glass.  :no: It sounds like it jumped the front track. You may want to find  a helper. Worst case scenario go talk to someone at a glass shop to help.  :alan2cents:

I was answering post #144 where the person was asking about rivets on the 1/4 window....those are his pictures even... :dunno:

Excellent thread!!! Thank you!