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Technical Shop => VIN, Fender Tag, Build Sheet & Date Codes => Topic started by: Manuel on May 17, 2020, 03:58:37 PM

Title: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 17, 2020, 03:58:37 PM

Hello,

Have a Cuda 340,  1971 and would like to know the parts that need to match so it can be classified as matching numbers.

Any guide for that?

Does the rear axle need to be matching numbers?

Best regards,

Manuel
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: anlauto on May 17, 2020, 04:37:38 PM
"Matching numbers" can mean two things, typically it relates to the VIN number of the car which can be found in 11 places.
1)   Dash Tag
2)   Fender Tag
3)   Broadcast Sheet
4)   Upper Cowl
5)   Rad Support
6)   Engine Block
7)   Transmission Case
8 )   DS Door Sticker
9)   Warranty Card
10) Window Sticker
11) Title/Ownership

It can also refer to how original your car is, and whether or not it still has all it's original date coded parts.

....If you're concerned on whether or not your car has the correct original part numbered, date coded parts, that's a very long list, including most of the engine parts, etc.......the 8 3/4 rear axle assembly DOES NOT have any casted or stamped VIN numbers or even date codes that I'm aware of.

Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 17, 2020, 05:21:36 PM

Thanks Anlauto,

Excellent news, I have owned this 340 since it had 2500 km here in Guatemala.   47 years ago,
It was still with new cars at the show room.   Belonged to the owner of the dealership.

Only thing I remember to have changed that made me wonder if it is matching numbers was the rear axle.

Tks again.


Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: SgtSuperbird on May 17, 2020, 05:58:27 PM
Very, very impressive, Manuel! Wow!
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: JS29 on May 18, 2020, 06:50:11 AM
 :welcome: @Manuel (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/manuel_4951)  Impressive looking car, and length of owning it. :1place:  :handshake: 
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: xx88man on May 18, 2020, 07:15:04 AM
 :welcome:  awesome car you have there!
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 18, 2020, 10:07:33 AM



Can't thank you enough for the compliments Guys!!!   Wohoooo!

Original interior except the carpet.

Very general, but if my car is the way it looks and matching numbers, around what could be its price?

Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: CudaMoparRay on May 18, 2020, 10:11:09 AM
 :welcome: From Riverside California
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: JS29 on May 18, 2020, 12:38:25 PM
Four speed or automatic, Standard or rallye instrument cluster?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: anlauto on May 18, 2020, 12:45:31 PM
Likely around the $50K USD range  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 18, 2020, 02:15:31 PM
A fender tag readout would help us understand what the car truly is for estimating a value. 
Or a good clean shot of the build sheet!
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: JS29 on May 18, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 18, 2020, 02:15:31 PM
A fender tag readout would help us understand what the car truly is for estimating a value. 
Or a good clean shot of the build sheet!
:iagree: With both reply's
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 18, 2020, 02:55:23 PM
I'm very curious if the car has a fender tag.  It seems many export cars had the fender tags removed. 
does it have an import tag on the inner fender?

Super cool that it's in Guatemala. there can't be many of those.
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 18, 2020, 03:27:17 PM


Tks Gents,

It is 4 speed manual shift.   Like a pistol grip.
Will try to take a pic of the instrument panel. It is all black in kind of a sand texture?

The only Cuda in this country as far as I know.
A friend had a Hemy but sold it and they crashed it decades ago.

Excuse me,

Were is the fender tag located?

What is a buid sheet?

Sorry.


Brgds.

Manuel
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 18, 2020, 03:35:15 PM


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-1974-dodge-challenger-plymouth-barracuda-speedometer-instrument-cluster-/324069423657

Instruments look like this
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 18, 2020, 03:38:47 PM


The large pic with one big dial and four smaller ones lined up to the right
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 18, 2020, 04:12:37 PM
The fender tag would be in the engine bay on the drivers side inner fender apron.  It will be about 2"x3" with a bunch of letter/number combos. 
The build sheet is a multi colored piece of paper that would most likely be pushed in the springs under the rear seat or on the rear seat back. 
could also be behind or under the front seats. 
It could also be taped behind the glove box
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 18, 2020, 04:15:46 PM
Couple of pics for ya.  I hope you find these.  Makes a difference for numbers matching.
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Mopsquad on May 18, 2020, 04:36:12 PM
You must get so many looks with that car.  Like it's some alien spaceship. lol
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 18, 2020, 08:19:15 PM


Thanks for the very interesting info Hunter!

I'll try to find that paper and also take a pic of the data plate.  Do I just pull the rear seat up if needed?   

Mopsquad,  that's an abuse!    WOW!!   My hat is of to you, what a beauty!!    :bradsthumb:
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Cuda Cody on May 18, 2020, 09:02:58 PM
Cool cuda @Manuel (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/manuel_4951)    :veryexcited:  And welcome to the forum.   :welcome: 

This might be of some use if you have time to take a look.

https://www.e-bodies.org/buying-your-first-e-body/vin-numbers/
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 18, 2020, 09:38:53 PM

Thanks Cody!

Excellent Info.

What a valuable source of Info here in the forum.

Brgds to all!
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: JS29 on May 19, 2020, 07:38:46 AM
@Manuel (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/manuel_4951)  What you have there is a standard gauge cluster!  :yes:
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 19, 2020, 05:24:30 PM

Thank you JS29

--

Found this tags in the car.
No color paper under the front seats or in the back of them. First time they have been opened since new.

Do these metal tags have some of the valuable Info?

Still have to look in the back seat for the paper.
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 19, 2020, 05:31:14 PM

Was thinking about the metal tags in the seats when I asked if they had valuable info.


Car needs good cleaning I know!   Sorry
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: anlauto on May 19, 2020, 06:19:16 PM
Wow that's a pretty darn early build date....cool :bigthumb:
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 07:50:58 AM

Anyone knows how to lift the back seat?    Just pull up hard?

Back rest?
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 20, 2020, 08:37:31 AM
there are two bolts that hold the top of the rear seat.  They are located between the two seats.
The lower seat pushes back and unhooks from two hooks, one on each side.
In this picture of the drivers side rear you can see the rectangle mount for the bolt and the "hook" for the lower seat. 

Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 20, 2020, 08:51:53 AM
E55-340 290 Hp
D21-a833 4 speed manual
B-barracuda
S-special
23-2 door hardtop
H-340
1-1971
B-hamtramck plant
100369-vin number.  (i believe the 369th built in 1971)
ev2-Torred
H-high
6-bucket vinyl
x9-black
000- upper door jamb color (no color,no jamb)
802-scheduled production date (August second 1969) Very early
E55122-sequence number     (not sure of what the "E" means)
ev2-top color
I or U ?  Can't read exactly
B51-power brakes
C55-bucket seats front
H25-heater delete
J45-hood tie down pins
J54-sport hood
M21-drip rail moldings
M25-body sill molding
M31-body belt moldings
M88-deck molding treatment
N41-dual exhaust tips
N42-bright exhaust tips
26-
EN2-End of line
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 20, 2020, 08:54:09 AM
The little square tag is an inspectors tag with a specific inspectors stamp on it.  I can't make out what number/letter the stamp has.

Could you post another picture of the little square tag as well as a pic of the import tag.

That is a super cool car!  Glad it retains all it's tags.

the tags in the seats are going to give you date's of when the seats were made.  Not necessarily specific to the car but definitely helps to know they were the original seats in the car.  I've not yet nailed down the decode dating of the seats yet. 
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 02:10:18 PM

Tks a bunch Hunter!
Excelent Info. 

Was able to find the colored paper sheets behind the rear back seat, wohooooooo!

I will post some pics of the tags and papers.   Since it has all original seats, will include one or two of them. 

Brgds
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: JS29 on May 20, 2020, 02:14:23 PM
Fender tag and build sheet, I'm jealous.  :bravo: 
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: 73_Cuda_4_Me on May 20, 2020, 03:10:54 PM
You may also be able to find one (Build Sheet) taped to the top of the glove box liner, too...
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 04:12:23 PM

Here some Pics.
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 04:59:36 PM
Built sheet
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 05:04:42 PM


More
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 05:08:39 PM

Amazing products that they used, those seats are 50 years old!
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 20, 2020, 05:14:50 PM
That seat looks like it's in perfect condition! 
That's quite the car to still have all that info. 
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 20, 2020, 05:16:03 PM
So third line second character is an I.   
Not sure what that means.  Can someone else who's watching chime in with that info.

Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 20, 2020, 05:16:44 PM
Still would like to see the export/import tag and the little inspection tag on the right side of the fender tag a little closer. 

Thanks for the pics!
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 20, 2020, 05:17:36 PM
I would suggest making quality color copies of the build sheet and putting them into every seat in the car.  For future reference.
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 05:18:55 PM

The radio that the owner of the dealership installed was a Blaupunkt.  Think it does not fit right but the car is as I took it of the dealership.
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 05:27:51 PM
Little tag, number is a 19

Is the import / export tag in the car?  Where?

Have the car in a hangar, light is bad, so the pics.
Only had a small flashlight. 
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 20, 2020, 05:41:56 PM
the import/export tag is the oval tag to the left of the fender tag.  aluminum I believe.

On the small inspectors tag, it has a 19, but can you make out what the cut out is?  Is it a D or a C or?
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: anlauto on May 20, 2020, 05:43:29 PM
When was the car repainted ?
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 06:15:22 PM

Did find the papers that show it paid duties here in Guatemala when it came to the dealer.

Surprised, I bought it until may 1975, so in 4 years the owner of the dealership had only put some 2000-2500 km on it!  Paid $6,500.00 for it.
Still smelled new. Thought I had bought it in 1974, the year I started with the airlines.

I am a pilot, flew day and night almost all of my life, airlines 43 years but had other part time flying jobs.  (38,000 hours so far)
Used the car some 6 years and then pretty much stored it an used it only once in a while.

Decided to re paint it maybe 25 years ago?   
Went to Mercedes, they did a very nice job but I noticed some very tiny bubbles in a very small area.    Guy said, we will remove all paint and re do.
So they did.
Some years later I saw them again!!!
Still that way, hard to see them and just few places but thinking about repainting it again.






Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: 71gogreen on May 20, 2020, 06:17:24 PM
Funny, Heat delete and no Air conditioning! :wave:
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: benlavigne on May 20, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 20, 2020, 05:16:03 PM
So third line second character is an I.   
Not sure what that means.  Can someone else who's watching chime in with that info.

In that spot was either U for USA, C for Canada, or I for International order

Ben
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 06:36:01 PM

Ah! Ok Hunter, I will take a Pic of the Oval tag and send it.
Its left side section has faded out.

Will also check what the cut out on the inspector tag is.

Have learned more of my Cuda in this 2-3 days than in the previous 45 years!

Thanks!    :thankyou:
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 06:46:02 PM

Maybe he did not order air conditioning because we are at 5000 feet elevation and it is quite fresh but no, he should have ordered it. It is needed in the summer.

Hey!, thanks for the I decoding!
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 20, 2020, 06:49:13 PM

Its a D, what does that mean?
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 20, 2020, 07:04:48 PM
Inspection tags are a bit of  a mystery.  I've yet to find any info on the stamps and impressions.

I suspect those are specific inspectors marks.  When something was inspected on the line a very specific person would put their personal stamp on it.  Something like Mark in day shift uses the D cut out while john in night shift uses the 19 stamp etc. etc.

I like to see them and try to keep them in the public eye as hopefully someday someone will have some info on each of those.

Probably don't mean much, but it adds a personal character to each car.  My 71 has an square inspection tag.  it has a 2C stamp
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 21, 2020, 09:51:05 AM

Great!

Here the oval tag.
Interesting, some parts in spanish. 
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on May 23, 2020, 07:46:15 AM


Good morning,

Big Tks to everyone here specially so to Hunter and Anlauto.
Incredible help, knowledge and passion for cars here.

This Cuda papers will include some of your posts for sure.

Have a nice week end!

Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on May 23, 2020, 07:52:59 AM
Glad to help.  I've really enjoyed learning about your export car.  Very possible it is the only car of it's sort to be exported to your country. 

Some export cars had the fender tags removed.  So it's nice to see that your country left the fender tag and inspection tags in tact. 

I look forward to seeing the things you do to update your car!   Thanks again!
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: soundcontrol on May 23, 2020, 08:08:33 AM
Welcome from Sweden   :sweden:
What a great car, and story, impressed!
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on August 28, 2020, 08:21:58 PM


Hello you All,

Back here to the expertise.

I will have to repaint the car due to some boubles on the exterior but will do everithing including engine.  Allready out.

Any of you know how to find the paint code for the engine?
Is it on the fender tag?  Could not find it in the production broadcast.

What kind of paint do you all recomend?

Brgds

Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Brads70 on August 29, 2020, 04:36:02 AM
Hello from Canada, and Welcome! Great car you have! It's so surprising where these cars turn up! You have taken excellent care of it throughout the years!  :bravo:
Curious as to what those 2 tabs -switches? are/do below the radio?
Title: Re: MATCHING NUMBERS Cuda
Post by: Manuel on August 29, 2020, 06:55:08 AM


Tks Brads,

Good catch, had some extra front lights.   

Fog lights still there, I will take them off most likelly so switches will be gone.    :dunno: