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The T/A Pilot cars were built on the assembly line as A66 340 Performance Package cars on February 4th, and then modified into something similar to a T/A, but they used a prototype hood which is a little different from the production T/A hood.

Has bumblebee stripe
Has fender emblems instead of side stripe
Missing grill emblem
Chrome mirror instead of painted
Has wheel lip moldings
Has prototype hood
The hood has a spot for a hood emblem
The hood scoop is positioned slightly differently, more rearward if I recall correctly.
The underside of the hood has some subtle differences
Not sure if mufflers had been made yet in this pic.
No tail panel blackout
Has prototype spoiler
Oddly, the rear bumper guards have cushions. These bumper guards with cushions were only supposed to be installed if the car had front & rear bumper guards. This car does not have front bumper guards.

There were two cars built like this.
They started as production line A66 package cars, and were built into what you see.
The other car was FC7 Plum Crazy and had a radio, but no vinyl top.
Here is it's fender tag.
It has since been restored to look like a regular production T/A instead of keeping this cool unique prototype look.

Here's a picture of the bottom of that prototype hood.
Prototype hood on the left, with regular production T/A hood on the right.

After they were done using the prototype hood, it ended up on El Hemi.
(That's why it's painted body color in the previous pic.)
The prototype hood is still on El Hemi today.
http://www.elhemi.com/

Here's a flyer announcing the upcoming availability of the N94 T/A Hood.
It's not dated, but this flyer was out before T/A cars were released.
It might be hard to read, but it lists the available engines as 340-4, 383-4, 440-4, 440-6, & Hemi
The flyer says that it comes with hood pins and if you order a radio it would have a rear mounted antenna.
Note: The entire flyer is Not E body specific. The Tuff steering wheel listed here is not available on E bodies.

The story about T/A hoods being used during the Challenger shaker shortage is only a myth. It's not true.
The Challenger shaker shortage went from October 12th 1969 to April 9th 1970. T/A hoods were not available during that time frame.
The car dealerships were notified when shaker hoods became unavailable, so that they would know not to submit orders for shaker hood Challengers.
If an order form came through for a shaker hood, that car received the sport hood that was standard on an R/T, OR if there was a note that the purchaser would only accept a car with a shaker hood, then the Scheduled Production Date was set to April 10th when the shaker hoods were expected to be available.
I've talked with some people who feel that these shaker cars were actually built on April 12th, though the fender tag Scheduled Production Date is the 10th. (Scheduled Production Date is Not the actual production date)

The T/A Pilot cars were built on the assembly line as A66 cars on February 4th, and then modified into something similar to a T/A, but they used a prototype hood which is a little different from the production T/A hood. There would need to be time for this car modification, redesigns, and then to get a new test hood made for final fitting and approval before mass production of the hoods, then time to make them and ship them to the factory.  T/A production began during March, and production T/A hoods would have been at the factory being installed on T/A cars, but not available for use on other cars.  The hoods arrived in multiple shipments, and they needed to make sure they received enough to build the number of T/A cars required for race homologation before they would use any T/A hoods on other cars.
If a shaker car had been ordered during that time in March, it would have simply been scheduled for an April 10th build date, not far away when shakers were expected to be available.  Dealerships had been instructed not to sell shaker hoods though, so for this to happen, either the salesman wasn't paying attention or the customer was insistent on a shaker.

On April 13th, there was an announcement that the Shaker Hood and T/A hood were both available for ordering now.
It also says that you can't have both hoods on your car at the same time.  :D
You also can't order the N94 hood on an SE or with the A63 molding group. This is because the rear hood trim that comes with these options won't fit onto the fiberglass hood.

Challenger N94 hood came standard on all Challenger T/A cars
Also optional after 4-13-70 on 340+4 barrel, 383+4 barrel, 440+4 barrel, 440 Six Pak, & 426 Hemi. (being an R/T was not a requirement, but most cars with these engines are R/Ts)

It was not available with A63 or A46 molding group, M44 hood rear/fender molding, or on SE or A78 formal roof cars due to the rear hood molding. V21 Hood Performance Treatment was also not available on this hood. If the car was ordered with J55 Undercoat/Hood Pad, the hood pad would be deleted.

Cars with this hood option will not come with a hood pop up spring or any hood latch mechanism. As such, J45 hood pins are required with this hood and will use rivets instead of screws to attach the bezel to the hood.

It was always painted organisol, not body color. It did come with the cowl blackout and fender edge blackout like T/A cars had. Along with the hood, you also got the T/A hood springs (not the same as AAR), T/A windshield squirters (same as AAR), shorter fiberglass hood style radiator to hood seal (same as AAR), longer retainers on front of hood trim (due to fiberglass being thicker than steel), and the appropriate air cleaner to go with your engine/hood combo. If you had one of the optional radios, you were also supposed to get the rear quarter panel mounted antenna (passenger side) like the T/A cars had to provide less engine interference with your radio, but so far the few non-T/A examples I've heard of came with the regular fender mounted antenna.

The T/A hood is heavier than the AAR hood.   
The T/A hood goes all the way to the front of the car, unlike the AAR hood.   The T/A hood has a heavier scoop.
The T/A hood came with stronger hood springs than the AAR.

Here's a picture that shows the difference.

Warning #1 Many reproduction hood spring vendors have their T/A & AAR labels transposed.  The manufacturer mixed up the labels, and most vendors don't know better.  It's been that way for at least 15 years.  I've recently noticed that a few vendors have caught on and corrected the labeling for their stores.  Pay attention to what you're getting if you order reproduction hood springs.  Use the pic below for reference.

Warning #2 Having the hood springs installed usually warps the fiberglass hood.  If the springs are removed, the hood should eventually flatten back out.  Many people leave the springs off and use a prop rod for this reason.

The reproduction T/A hood which most resembles a production hood is made by ASC&P.
They've been making them since 1990, but will cease production at the end of February 2017.
If you know anyone that wants a T/A or AAR hood, let them know because time is running out!!
http://larrythephoenix.wixsite.com/ta-challenger-hoods/about-ascp

The nicest non-original looking T/A hood was made by AAR Fiberglass.
It had a very clean finished looking underside (unlike original) and was a good quality part.  They stopped making it about 10 years ago.  I see that they are currently offering it again though.  The new one is probably the same as the old one (same molds), but I haven't seen it in person yet.
https://www.aarqualityfiberglass.com/
Update: I bought one of these hoods to use, so I've had a good look at it now.  The metal mesh cowl screens are expanded metal instead of the correct flat square pattern, however they're not preinstalled, so you could use a more correct screen if you can find one.  Also, these hoods are missing the side flaps which come downward to contact the spring loaded hood wedges on the fender, so you'd need to recreate those fiberglass flaps if you want them.  I picked it up in person and toured the facility.  It's a neat place to visit, and they make quality products, though not necessarily with fine attention to OE details.  It's probably fair to say that the owner is more interested in building a beautiful hot rod than painstakingly recreating factory paint runs.  He's a nice guy though, very helpful, and I enjoyed visiting with him.

A few other companies have made T/A hoods, but they usually don't offer them for long because T/A hoods are one of the more difficult hoods to make.
The white gelcoat hoods that came out of Texas (Mexico) via eBay, consistently had good reviews when they were available.
The T/A hood sold by Year One also gets decent reviews, but did have complaints about not having enough clearance at the back edge for the windshield wipers to operate.  Make sure to test fit it before paint, and consider the wiper arm clearance, you may need to sand down the bottom of the hood at the rear for wiper clearance.

Original hood squirters were metal.
Reproduction hood squirters have been made from plastic by ASC&P, and also from metal by First Place Auto Products.
I've used both, and they both work, but the metal ones are Very nice and would be my first choice.
https://www.fpap.com/products.asp?cat=15

The N94 fiberglass hoods don't have a provision for the outermost clip to hold the ends of the radiator to hood seal.  For this reason, the N94 fiberglass hoods use a shorter hood seal, which can be duplicated by cutting down a full sized seal.

The T/A front hood trim has a different part number than regular Challenger hood trim.
The trim itself is the same, but it was packaged with the retainers, which were slightly longer for the fiberglass hood, hence the different part number.
I've seen a lot of people incorrectly claim that the trim was different and point to the part number as proof.

If you ordered the N94 hood on a 440 Six Pak car, it used the same air cleaner that the T/A used.

If you ordered the N94 hood on a Hemi car, the air cleaner looked like this.

Here's the air cleaner for a 340 4 barrel with the N94 T/A hood.
Yeah, the round air cleaner doesn't fit as nicely in the oval hood hole.
It has drains on the bottom.
It has the plates on it which can be opened up in cold weather to let warm engine compartment air into the air cleaner for faster warm up.

Another 4 barrel air cleaner to go with the N94 T/A hood.
Not sure which engine this is for.
It could be 383 or 440, or it could be a rejected prototype because it wouldn't work with air conditioning, or it could be a prototype for the canceled 1971 TA since the six pak was not allowed on the race cars.
It's extremely rare. Fram was the air cleaner vendor. This was found leftover at the Fram plant by the guy who did the spotwelds back then.

5 non-T/A 1970 cars with N94 are known.
There were probably some more (though not many). These are just the ones that have been found so far, and have documentation to back it up.
I'll list some info about them below.

JS23R0B336419
HEMI Challenger R/T
Y14 "SOLD" car
TX9 Black paint
E74, D21, A33 & N94 are its ONLY extra cost options
HEMI 4-spd w/3.54s - black interior, '450 wheels, manual steering, manual drum brakes, NO radio, NO console, NO vinyl top, and NO stripes.
Sounds like a "racecar"
car has broadcast sheet & fender tag
Vehicle Order Number 076275
Scheduled Production Date May 12th 1970
For many years, this car was rumored to have been destroyed, but it was found in hiding, waiting for a restoration.


JS23R0B376234
HEMI Challenger R/T
Y14 "SOLD" car
FE5 bright red paint
E74, D32, A32, A45, C16, & N94 are its ONLY extra cost options
HEMI auto w/4.10s - black interior, '450 wheels, manual steering, NO radio, NO vinyl top, and NO stripes.
Sounds like a "racecar"
car has broadcast sheet & fender tag
Scheduled Production Date June 12th 1970
It was ordered new and raced by a mechanic or service writer out of a Dodge dealership in Indiana or Illinois. This is the same car that was in Texas in the '80s, Florida in the '90s & the east coast during the '00s. It is the car that Restorations by Julius restored in California.
Pic near Rio Dodge in Austin Texas, 1980's
(The car is red, it's just an old faded picture)

JS23N0B405351
383 Challenger R/T
Y14 "SOLD" car
FF4 light green metallic paint
D32, B51, C16, C92, G11, H51, J46, J55, J81, N94, M85, R11, R31, S77, S79, U82, V1F, W21, & W34 are its extra cost options
383 auto w/3.23 open, black interior, V6X & a few options to the point of having a window sticker price near the HEMI cars.
car has broadcast sheet & fender tag
Vehicle Order Number 076823
Scheduled Production Date July 2nd 1970
Dan purchased the car from Shafi Keisler in the mid-'90s thru an ad in Mopar Collectors Guide.

JH23H0B405538
340 Challenger (non-R/T) A66 car with stripe delete
Y14 "SOLD" car
EB5 bright blue metallic paint
A66, D32, D91, C16, C62, J81, N94, R22, R31, S77, V1W, & W21 are its extra cost options
340 auto w/3.55 s/g - white bucket seat interior
car has broadcast sheet
Scheduled Production Date July 2nd 1970
The car was on ebay in 2003 & located in Florida, I heard it went to Canada.
(Yes, this is the car in the picture, but it doesn't have the original N94 hood with it anymore.)

JH29N0B440490
Challenger SE (non-R/T)
N94 isn't supposed to be available on an SE, but this is one.
Y16 "Sales Bank" car (only non T/A N94 Sales Bank car)
EB5 bright blue metallic paint
E63, D21, D91, B41, B51, G11, G31, G33, J41, N94, R11, R31, S77, T34 & W11 are its extra cost options & H5B5 is a $48.25 credit option)
383 4bbl 4-spd w/3.23 s/g - blue cloth & vinyl bucket seat interior
car has broadcast sheet
Scheduled Production Date July 30th 1970
The car was on ebay in 2012 & located in Michigan, it went to California.


Six 1971 Challengers with N94 hood are known to exist.
R/T & non-R/T
All are 340 or 383 engine
Latest Scheduled Production Date is October 10th 1970 (two of them on that date)
Here's a pic of one of the 1971 N94 cars.

There is a logical rumor that the N94 hood option was cancelled around November of 1971, but I've yet to see any paperwork to confirm it.

I've seen a Chrysler letterhead typed letter from an original owner 1971 car that was ordered with a T/A hood, and the letter apologized for not having any T/A hoods and said that they gave him a shaker hood instead. The car did in fact come with a shaker hood when it was delivered, and is coded for that shaker on the fender tag.  Luckily he kept the letter because he thought it was amusing.

Fantastic info!!!!   :worship:  If I owned that prototype T/A I would build it exactly like it was as a prototype.  That would be the coolest thing ever.    :yes: 

Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 23, 2017, 07:12:30 AM
  If I owned that prototype T/A I would build it exactly like it was as a prototype.  That would be the coolest thing ever.    :yes:

It would be the coolest thing ever.  Might even be worth making a clone car.  It would really stand out at shows.

Does anyone know who own the prototype?  Man, I would love a chance to buy that car and bring it back to its original glory. 

Quote from: cataclysm80 on January 23, 2017, 08:22:10 AM

Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 23, 2017, 07:12:30 AM
  If I owned that prototype T/A I would build it exactly like it was as a prototype.  That would be the coolest thing ever.    :yes:

It would be the coolest thing ever.  Might even be worth making a clone car.  It would really stand out at shows.

Awesome information and history lesson. Thank You! Really enjoyed the restoration photos of El Hemi. I learned a lot by looking at those photos and I will use them for future reference.  :toast:

 :iagree: yup, very good. Thanks  :twothumbsup:

Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 23, 2017, 08:35:36 AM
Does anyone know who own the prototype?  Man, I would love a chance to buy that car and bring it back to its original glory. 

Yes, I'm pretty sure that Barry and Jeff would know who owns it.  They probably wouldn't be willing to share that information though.  I'm not exactly sure what the privacy policy for their registries is like.

A hood diagram
and
A reference for the correct orientation of the riveted hood pin bezel

More great photos and info!   :bravo:

Very impressive amount of information and pictures, this is just fantastic.  :perfect10: :perfect10: :perfect10:

This was a great read.

Thank you for sharing your info/knowledge on the N94 hood.  Very good read. :toast:

Is Dan's car the only "fresh air" induced mopar with H51? 

I remember seeing the FE5 Hemi Challenger on the streets when Mark owned it many years ago.  We even did some street racing down on Emerald.(local reference)  He was not shy to take on anyone.  :stayinlane:

Tom

Quote from: fc7cuda on January 27, 2017, 05:46:28 AM
Is Dan's car the only "fresh air" induced mopar with H51? 

I hadn't noticed, but now that you mention it, yeah it might be.
Dan would know better though.  I think he has more info on the 1971 N94 cars, and some of them are also 383 cars.

This is amazing info. Thanks for sharing this. I have always wanted an N94 car.....I had no idea they were quite that rare!   :headbang:

Great read. Thank you.

unfortunately (for me  :console:) one of the '71s is 383 4bbl N94 with A/C ..... oh, it's a FC7 convertible

w/rear of hood trim & it's still on the car - car was on eBay around 2002 & 2005 - got the info 1st time & tried to buy it 2nd time around

another N94 '71 Challenger R/T - a CANADA spec. dealer demo
a regular in Van Nuys at Spring Fling - 383 4-spd

story goes - during restoration the stenciled part number was found on the two scoop steel hood seen in this pic & the owner is convinced this equates to it being the factory installed hood on the car.  otherwise the car appears  to be restored to the sheet!

Factory installed parts DO NOT have stenciled part numbers or "MADE IN CANADA" stamps/tape/decals on them  :headbang:

Quote from: 6bblgt on February 10, 2017, 11:39:59 PM
another N94 '71 Challenger R/T - a CANADA spec. dealer demo
a regular in Van Nuys at Spring Fling - 383 4-spd

story goes - during restoration the stenciled part number was found on the two scoop steel hood seen in this pic & the owner is convinced this equates to it being the factory installed hood on the car.  otherwise the car appears  to be restored to the sheet!

Factory installed parts DO NOT have stenciled part numbers or "MADE IN CANADA" stamps/tape/decals on them  :headbang:

Good info Dan. So he has a rare car, but he doesn't believe it? Well that's a new one.

And thanks Cataclysm for compiling this thread  :thankyou:

Here is some more info by 6bblGT with my pictures:

These are the two Hemi Challengers previously mentioned by Cataclysm here:

The FE5 "bright red" N94 HEMI Challenger R/T is JS23R0B376234 - Y14 "SOLD" car
(E74, D32, A32, A45, C16, & N94 are its ONLY extra cost OPTIONS)
3266.00 + 1336.20 + the hood(~$150) = ~$4752.20 + destination charge
HEMI auto w/4.10s - black interior, '450 wheels, manual steering, NO radio, NO vinyl top, and NO stripes.
car has b'cast & ft - SPD 612.

Sounds like a "racecar", it was ordered new and raced by a mechanic or service writter out of a Dodge dealership in Indiana or Illinois. This is the same car that was in Texas in the '80s, Florida in the '90s & the east coast (near Dave, but he's from USA) during the '00s. It is the car that Restorations by Julius restored in California.

The TX9 - "black" N94 HEMI Challenger R/T was JS23R0B336419 - Y14 "SOLD" car (SECOND PIC BELOW)
(E74, D21, A33 & N94 are its ONLY extra cost OPTIONS)
3266.00 + 1116.45 + the hood(~$150) = ~$4532.45 + destination charge
HEMI 4-spd w/3.54s - black interior, '450 wheels, manual steering, manual drum brakes, NO radio, NO console, NO vinyl top, and NO stripes.
Sounds like a "racecar", car has b'cast & ft - SPD 512 & VON 076275

More of Dan's 6bblGT information pertaining to 1970 NON-T/A N94 Challengers:

The FF4 "light green metallic" N94 383 Challenger R/T is JS23N0B405351 - Y14 "SOLD" car
(D32, B51, C16, C92, G11, H51, J46, J55, J81, N94, M85, R11, R31, S77, S79, U82, V1F, W21, & W34 are its extra cost OPTIONS)
3266.00 + 1163.60 + the hood(~$150) = ~$4579.60 + destination charge
383 auto w/3.23 open, black interior, V6X & a few OPTIONS to the point of having a window sticker price near the HEMI cars.
I have the b'cast sheet & fender tag - SPD 702 & VON 076823.

I purchased the car from Shafi Keisler in the mid-'90s thru an ad in Mopar Collectors Guide.
Anyone have an "ordered" Challenger from the pacific northwest with a 076xxx VON?


The EB5 "bright blue metallic" N94 340 Challenger (non-R/T) is JH23H0B405538 - Y14 "SOLD" car - A66 car w/stripe "DELETE"
(A66, D32, D91, C16, C62, J81, N94, R22, R31, S77, V1W, & W21 are its extra cost OPTIONS)
2953.00 + 1025.10 + the hood(~$150) = ~$4128.10 + destination charge
340 auto w/3.55 s/g - white bucket seat interior
I have a copy of the b'cast sheet - SPD 702. (same SPD as my car, but my car's sequence number is 15,000 cars later - I guess something "like A/C" may have delayed the car ~2 weeks?)

The car was on ebay in 2003 & located in Florida, I heard it went to Canada.

The EB5 "bright blue metallic" N94 Challenger SE (non-R/T) is JH29N0B440490 - Y16 "Sales Bank" car
(E63, D21, D91, B41, B51, G11, G31, G33, J41, N94, R11, R31, S77, T34 & W11 are its extra cost OPTIONS & H5B5 is a $48.25 CREDIT OPTION)
3185.00 + 664.10 + the hood(~$150) = ~$3999.10 + destination charge
383 4bbl 4-spd w/3.23 s/g - blue cloth & vinyl bucket seat interior
I have a copy of the b'cast sheet - SPD 730. (..... but appears to have been built before my 702 SPD car)

The car was on ebay in 2012 & located in Michigan, it went to California.
currently it is the ONLY "sales bank" N94 hood'd car & it has dual chrome mirrors ..... Oh it's a SE!!

Did any N94 hoods come body color?   :huh:  Neat look!

Quote from: 6bblgt on February 10, 2017, 11:30:30 PM
unfortunately (for me  :console:) one of the '71s is 383 4bbl N94 with A/C ..... oh, it's a FC7 convertible

w/rear of hood trim & it's still on the car - car was on eBay around 2002 & 2005 - got the info 1st time & tried to buy it 2nd time around

Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 11, 2017, 07:45:56 AM
Did any N94 hoods come body color?   :huh: 

Quote from earlier in this thread...

Quote from: cataclysm80 on January 23, 2017, 02:49:09 AM
It was always painted organisol, not body color.

The intention was to have it always be organisol. 
Organisol would hide any flaws (pinholes / bubbles) in the fiberglass, so they didn't have to bodywork the hoods.
The 1969 A12 Roadrunner / Super Bee fiberglass hoods were also always organisol.  Problems with their radio reception is why the E body fiberglass hood cars were intended to receive rear mounted antenna.

Good to see you here Dan!
I'm sure we'd all love to hear more info on the 1971 N94 cars.

Thanks for adding to the topic guys!
When I get a little time, I'll add your info up top so that everything stays organized and easy to find for future readers.
If you see anything that you think needs corrected, say something.  I try not to have incorrect info posted.

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Another 4 barrel air cleaner to go with the N94 T/A hood.
Not sure which engine this is for.
It could be 383 or 440, or it could be a rejected prototype because it wouldn't work with air conditioning, or it could be a prototype for the canceled 1971 TA since the six pak was not allowed on the race cars.
It's extremely rare. Fram was the air cleaner vendor. This was found leftover at the Fram plant by the guy who did the spotwelds back then.

Very comprehensive and informative thread  :yes:

Fram employed many people for the hundreds of  various spotwelded assemblies they manufactured per day.
This base was actually found by and given to me by the gentleman who went to Hamtramk for a week to show the line workers the procedure of installing shaker assemblies as the cars went down the line.
He was a wealth of information with stories to back them up

Hey @mccannix (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mccannix_432) welcome. I think you'll find this to be a great E Body site focusing on information very rarely found anywhere else on the internet.
We have a small, but very knowledgeable group of guys here. I hope you stick around and share your wealth of knowledge about everything "shaker".

For those that don't know......If you have a question reguarding shakers.....there is nothing that this man doesn't know. :worship:

:welcome:
Welcome Terry :handshake: 

Quote from: mccannix on April 30, 2017, 02:26:32 PM
Very comprehensive and informative thread  :yes:

Thanks for adding to it.

It's FANTASTIC to see you here Terry! 
:welcome:

Here's some additional photos of the little hood bumpers that are at the rear of a T/A hood.
These rubber bumpers are pretty difficult to find.
As shown in the second picture, height of the bumper is adjusted with shims (washers) placed between the bumper and the hood.

I just stumbled onto this post. Awesome info!  Has anyone found a source for the small rubber bumpers?  Thanks

Great info :twothumbsup:

The T/A hood is my favorite.

I guess my swap meet bought T/A hood was made to look like the prototype one with the spot on the front for an emblem.

By chance does anyone here have more info. on this factory 71 340 N94 car? or any of the other 71 cars.

Interesting....I guess you would have to ask Dan @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211)

Quote from: Floyd on August 30, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
I just stumbled onto this post. Awesome info!  Has anyone found a source for the small rubber bumpers?  Thanks

The photo's and measurements posted previously appear to be missing key features, not noting the counterbore size, depth, a washer within a counterbored face and a smaller through hole that matches the screw size.

I have ones as posted in the photo's that match what came off of my AAR (I suspect T/A's were the same as I can't imagine Chrysler having two seperate parts for such limited runs that serve the same purpose. These often get mashed and deformed over the years so I made them as close to what I was able to deduce from the samples I had. Also, the sets made are tapered but not as heavily as the photos previously posted, and again closer to what samples I had.   

Quote from: AAR#2 on November 23, 2017, 02:57:04 AM

Quote from: Floyd on August 30, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
I just stumbled onto this post. Awesome info!  Has anyone found a source for the small rubber bumpers?  Thanks

The photo's and measurements posted previously appear to be missing key features, not noting the counterbore size, depth, a washer within a counterbored face and a smaller through hole that matches the screw size.

I have ones as posted in the photo's that match what came off of my AAR (I suspect T/A's were the same as I can't imagine Chrysler having two seperate parts for such limited runs that serve the same purpose. These often get mashed and deformed over the years so I made them as close to what I was able to deduce from the samples I had. Also, the sets made are tapered but not as heavily as the photos previously posted, and again closer to what samples I had.   

Anyone have a close up picture of these installed? Some measurements also would be great?   Where do they sell these? I don't have them on my hood.  Although I'm wondering if they would fit right as my hood is a reproduction?

Quote from: Brads70 on November 23, 2017, 04:26:31 AM

Quote from: AAR#2 on November 23, 2017, 02:57:04 AM

Quote from: Floyd on August 30, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
I just stumbled onto this post. Awesome info!  Has anyone found a source for the small rubber bumpers?  Thanks

The photo's and measurements posted previously appear to be missing key features, not noting the counterbore size, depth, a washer within a counterbored face and a smaller through hole that matches the screw size.

I have ones as posted in the photo's that match what came off of my AAR (I suspect T/A's were the same as I can't imagine Chrysler having two seperate parts for such limited runs that serve the same purpose. These often get mashed and deformed over the years so I made them as close to what I was able to deduce from the samples I had. Also, the sets made are tapered but not as heavily as the photos previously posted, and again closer to what samples I had.   

Anyone have a close up picture of these installed? Some measurements also would be great?   Where do they sell these? I don't have them on my hood.  Although I'm wondering if they would fit right as my hood is a reproduction?

Theres a picture of the installed position on the lower portion of page 3 of the thread for a T/A. I've also attached a pic from my AAR prior to doing any work on it. You can see the bumper is located on a raised feature of the underside, just below the three rivets used to hold the embedded bracket support.

I have plenty to sell, PM if interested.

This is a great thread.  I am in need of any factory documentation that shows that the T/A hood did not have a hood latch or ketch. Such as an engineering sketch. I'm pretty sure the T/A hood isn't shown in the FSM.  BTW, I'm convinced it didn't have it, just looking for it in B/W.  I wonder if the parts book would make that clear......

Thanks.

Are there special factory hood hinges for the T/A hood?  Or else, would any E-body hood hinge work?   I'm in the market to purchase new hood hinges .. replacing my ~40-year old chromed hinges (showing their age).

Quote from: MOPAR MITCH on December 27, 2019, 11:26:12 AM
Are there special factory hood hinges for the T/A hood?  Or else, would any E-body hood hinge work?   I'm in the market to purchase new hood hinges .. replacing my ~40-year old chromed hinges (showing their age).

I believe the hinges are the same, but the springs are smaller for the fiberglass hood. Reproduction springs are also available  :alan2cents:

Just to add some color to the 70 Shaker Hood "unavailability". The father / son duo that rebuilt my T/A 340 6-pack has a story about this situation. The father, Carlon Hine and owner of Hine's Racing Equipment out of Ohio, used to own a dealership in Kinsman, Ohio and sold a Shaker Hood 70 Hemi Challenger. He gave me some details about the car when I saw the car while dropping off my engine for rebuild. Of course I was curious and started asking questions. He stated that he sold the car new in late 1969. He took the Hemi Challenger in on trade in the mid 70s and has owned it ever since. He also stated that the Shaker hood on 1970 Challengers is extremely rare because the factory that supplied the hood experienced a fire and it shut down production of the Challenger Shaker hood for some time. At least that was what was explained to him at the time. I recall Carlon mentioned only 36 or so 1970 Hemi Challengers (or maybe Shakers total?) were delivered for the 1970 model year Challenger. I have no idea if this is accurate. It's just what I recall Carlon stating.

Anyways, here's a picture of the Hemi Challenger last I saw it back in 2010 or so. Carlon also owns the Honkin' Hemi drag car.

The 70 style trim has clips with studs and nuts on the backside, you'll need to scuff the aluminum and paint to match the hood of course, but ya can't go without it, I think it would look odd :alan2cents:

Quote from: anlauto on August 14, 2022, 05:12:33 PM
The 70 style trim has clips with studs and nuts on the backside, you'll need to scuff the aluminum and paint to match the hood of course, but ya can't go without it, I think it would look odd :alan2cents:

Banging... that's the piece of the puzzle I was missing. Been looking at the molding on the bulge hood for some time now....  Thanks 1k! Now I get the stress for drilling the holes for the molding and the hood pins... lol.

:bigthumb:

Apparently, as I've just learned now, the T/A hood one is 1/4" shorter ???? I have no idea why that would be ???? I think you'll be alright because you have an aftermarket hood maybe. Measure the width of the hood compared to your steel hood....

Here's David's description:  https://www.rosevillemoparts.com/product/hood-lip-molding-70-challenger/

As a side note, you should always look to Roseville Moparts first for not only better pricing, but to take advantage of our member discount as well. :twothumbsup:

......and if you had of called them, and mentioned what you were doing, they likely would have explained the difference in the trim pieces. :drinkingbud:

Technically, yes. 
It would be nice to see all these mentioned in their own fitment thread in the body section just so that it can be searched out and utilized in the future. 

  The N94 is one of my own personal holy grail cars.   

Quote from: cuda hunter on August 16, 2022, 07:55:10 AM
Technically, yes. 
It would be nice to see all these mentioned in their own fitment thread in the body section just so that it can be searched out and utilized in the future. 

  The N94 is one of my own personal holy grail cars.

Roger that.. I've moved my posts to another thread and will delete here.