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Title: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: nsmall on April 26, 2017, 10:26:06 PM
Is there a difference between 318 and 340 exhaust manifolds?

I have a 1973 340 and I was told I may have 318 manifolds.

If there is such a thing as a 340 manifold I'm assuming it offers more flow than a 318?

There are some 340 manifolds on eBay and they're claiming their high performance but I'm assuming all of them are considered high performance as 340s are more of the High Performance Engine....Right?

Thanks
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on April 26, 2017, 10:59:59 PM
71 & up 340 manifolds are not the same as 68-70... 71 & up are more of a log design.. 68-70 are considered the Hipo manifolds.. I just looked on Ebay
& didn't see any 68-70 manifolds
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: 6bblgt on April 26, 2017, 11:05:02 PM
1973 e-body 340 casting numbers:
RH = 3418623 (part # 3418624)
LH = ?? (part # 3751083)

1973 e-body 318 casting numbers:
RH = 2843953 (part # 2843966)
LH = 3512077 (part #3512076)

what casting numbers do you have, got pics?
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: YellowThumper on April 26, 2017, 11:10:55 PM
Port openings are considerably larger for the 340.
I had 340 J heads on my 318 in the past with 360 ex manifolds. California smog check nailed me long ago and I had to remove heads and put my old 318s on. I left the 360 manifolds on and flat area on the 318 port openings barely went as far as the opening on manifolds.

Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: anlauto on April 27, 2017, 04:10:10 AM
Visually not much difference in 1973, but port size, yes 340's are larger. :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: CudaMoparRay on April 28, 2017, 07:30:21 PM
Great info as have been debating taking off my Hooker Competition headers and replacing with OEMish exhaust manifolds.
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: nsmall on April 28, 2017, 07:50:25 PM
@CudaMoparRay (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cudamoparray_283)

Sounds like 68-70 OEM manifolds are what we want.
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on April 28, 2017, 07:57:11 PM
They are reproduced...

https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-a-body/ae340 
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: CudaMoparRay on April 30, 2017, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 28, 2017, 07:57:11 PM
They are reproduced...

https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-a-body/ae340

Just the ticket it seems as compared to finding OEM used hipo ones
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: nsmall on April 30, 2017, 02:24:17 PM
Quote from: CudaMoparRay on April 30, 2017, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 28, 2017, 07:57:11 PM
They are reproduced...

https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-a-body/ae340

Just the ticket it seems as compared to finding OEM used hipo ones

Counting shipping it's $800 bucks.  Sigh
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: moparmadman69 on May 01, 2017, 03:04:45 PM
Quote from: nsmall on April 28, 2017, 07:50:25 PM
@CudaMoparRay (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cudamoparray_283)

Sounds like 68-70 OEM manifolds are what we want.

Just remember if you run the 70 HP manifolds you have to use a 90 degree oil filter adapter to fit that right manifold. Left there is no clearance issues.

Colby
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: rocketresto on May 01, 2017, 04:32:06 PM
Shakerhood.com and Northwest Performance is the actual maker of the manifolds and we do not charge Year One shipping prices.  Our retail price is $600 a pair - give us a call if you want to order them.  360-943-6633
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: Topcat on May 01, 2017, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 28, 2017, 07:57:11 PM
They are reproduced...

https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-a-body/ae340

For 50 bucks less from Shakerhood.com

Before Ben passed away, he told me he was the one responsible getting them reproduced.

http://www.shakerhood.com/products.php?id=ExhaustManifolds
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: CudaMoparRay on May 01, 2017, 07:03:00 PM
Quote from: rocketresto on May 01, 2017, 04:32:06 PM
Shakerhood.com and Northwest Performance is the actual maker of the manifolds and we do not charge Year One shipping prices.  Our retail price is $600 a pair - give us a call if you want to order them.  360-943-6633

Extremely tempting
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: rocketresto on May 01, 2017, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Topcat on May 01, 2017, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 28, 2017, 07:57:11 PM
They are reproduced...

https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-a-body/ae340

For 50 bucks less from Shakerhood.com

Before Ben passed away, he told me he was the one responsible getting them reproduced.

Correct - buy them from the source!

http://www.shakerhood.com/products.php?id=ExhaustManifolds
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: RUNCHARGER on May 02, 2017, 09:26:59 AM
Lots of the original ones are cracked, so the repro ones don't seem like too bad of a buy.
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: autoxcuda on May 02, 2017, 01:53:03 PM
Are the original 73 340 manifolds big port log style on both sides OR hipo style w/ cast in heat stove flange on drivers and log on passenger side.

The 72-74 340-360 ebody cars originally have air cleaners with heat stoves.
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: Topcat on May 02, 2017, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: rocketresto on May 01, 2017, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Topcat on May 01, 2017, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 28, 2017, 07:57:11 PM
They are reproduced...

https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-a-body/ae340

For 50 bucks less from Shakerhood.com

Before Ben passed away, he told me he was the one responsible getting them reproduced.

Correct - buy them from the source!

http://www.shakerhood.com/products.php?id=ExhaustManifolds

I just wanted to verify what you said is true is why I posted.   :slapme5:
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: nsmall on May 02, 2017, 10:14:55 PM
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) @rocketresto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rocketresto_130)

Thanks for the offer rocketresto.  I'll consider.  Considering headers also.

Not sure how much of a difference 68 - 70 manifolds are vs 1973.  Is there any actual data on this as I do want more flow since I have a fairly High Performance 340.

6bblgt.... Based on the numbers you posted my passenger side is a 73 340...but the driver side I can't confirm even though I think it was only like one number off of what you posted.


Pic number one is driver side.


Thanks

Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: 6bblgt on May 02, 2017, 10:37:18 PM
casting numbers are usually different than part numbers (often by just one)
I didn't have the casting number for the 1973 LH manifold - THANKS!!

1973 e-body 340 casting numbers:
RH = 3418623 (part # 3418624)
LH = 3751084 (part # 3751083) - also used on '74 360s

casting number represents the part "as cast", part number represents the part "as needed for assembly" after machining/chroming/painting or any other operation a part may need

some casting numbers can be used for more than one final part number, mid-'70s 440 intake manifolds come to mind

Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: nsmall on May 02, 2017, 11:44:48 PM
Quote from: nsmall on May 02, 2017, 10:14:55 PM
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) @rocketresto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rocketresto_130)

Thanks for the offer rocketresto.  I'll consider.  Considering headers also.

Not sure how much of a difference 68 - 70 manifolds are vs 1973.  Is there any actual data on this as I do want more flow since I have a fairly High Performance 340.

I'm glad I have 340 manifolds but I'm still debating the header situation.  Not sure it's worth all the money and time but I do like horsepower.

Thanks 6bblgt for confirming I have 340 manifolds.
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: moparmadman69 on May 09, 2017, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: nsmall on May 02, 2017, 10:14:55 PM
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) @rocketresto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rocketresto_130)

Thanks for the offer rocketresto.  I'll consider.  Considering headers also.

Not sure how much of a difference 68 - 70 manifolds are vs 1973.  Is there any actual data on this as I do want more flow since I have a fairly High Performance 340.

6bblgt.... Based on the numbers you posted my passenger side is a 73 340...but the driver side I can't confirm even though I think it was only like one number off of what you posted.


Pic number one is driver side.


Thanks

Those are correct 340 manifolds for a 73-74 340/360 HP motor. Unlike the 70 style (549-553) these are a 2" ball flange manifold. That means the largest pipe you can run off those manifolds is 2.00". The factory head pipes were 2.00" off the manifold with a loose flange and once they got under the car the remainder of the head pipe was 2.25". The 70 style have a 2.50" fixed welded flange which usually will accommodate 2.25" exhaust all the way back which is sufficient flow for a 340. You can always add high flow mufflers like our Magnums and it will accommodate more HP. Just sayin  :yes:
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: Topcat on May 09, 2017, 07:56:28 PM
Quote from: nsmall on May 02, 2017, 11:44:48 PM
Quote from: nsmall on May 02, 2017, 10:14:55 PM
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) @rocketresto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rocketresto_130)

Thanks for the offer rocketresto.  I'll consider.  Considering headers also.

Not sure how much of a difference 68 - 70 manifolds are vs 1973.  Is there any actual data on this as I do want more flow since I have a fairly High Performance 340.

but I'm still debating the header situation.  Not sure it's worth all the money and time but I do like horsepower.



Headers require more maintenance overall.
They heat up the floor boards and front cabin alot more.
Gaskets blow out and then you get that annoying header leak sound.  :pullinghair:
All rubber and plastic parts take a beating from the additional heat they put out.
More decibels entering cabin while accelerating. After a while it gets to be too much for a long drive.
Ground clearance with most brands are a major problem. TTI headers have the best clearance but are very expensive.
One pipe goes under the idler arm. I call this the speed bump pipe. It never fails: one high spot on the road and Bam! Game over!

Headers will definitely make more power but at what cost? Peace of mind?

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopp-0106-manifolds-vs-headers/
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: nsmall on September 30, 2017, 11:29:58 PM
Quote from: moparmadman69 on May 09, 2017, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: nsmall on May 02, 2017, 10:14:55 PM
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) @rocketresto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rocketresto_130)

Thanks for the offer rocketresto.  I'll consider.  Considering headers also.

Not sure how much of a difference 68 - 70 manifolds are vs 1973.  Is there any actual data on this as I do want more flow since I have a fairly High Performance 340.

6bblgt.... Based on the numbers you posted my passenger side is a 73 340...but the driver side I can't confirm even though I think it was only like one number off of what you posted.


Pic number one is driver side.


Thanks

Those are correct 340 manifolds for a 73-74 340/360 HP motor. Unlike the 70 style (549-553) these are a 2" ball flange manifold. That means the largest pipe you can run off those manifolds is 2.00". The factory head pipes were 2.00" off the manifold with a loose flange and once they got under the car the remainder of the head pipe was 2.25". The 70 style have a 2.50" fixed welded flange which usually will accommodate 2.25" exhaust all the way back which is sufficient flow for a 340. You can always add high flow mufflers like our Magnums and it will accommodate more HP. Just sayin  :yes:

@moparmadman69 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/moparmadman69_115)

Ughhh.  Im getting ready to have my new exhaust installed and I thought I had 2.25 inch exhaust coming off my 1973 340 exhaust manifolds.  You state above this is NOT possible.  Ughhh.  I guess I need to drop some more money as 2 inch is to narrow for what I'm trying to do.  When I measure it.... it seems like 2.25.  Sorry to question you, but are you 100% certain?

Thanks
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on October 01, 2017, 01:00:51 AM
Another option that works well is 5.9 Magnum truck manifolds....
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: nsmall on October 01, 2017, 08:16:25 AM
I have TTI headers....1 and 5/8 that have 3 inch collectors.

I guess the question I'm trying to ask is.....is stock exhaust 2 inches on a 1973 340 Ebody?

Darren....you copy?   
@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173)
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: YellowThumper on October 01, 2017, 09:44:26 AM
If you are in a pinch to ge it together. Use your current manifolds with the 2 inch. Then right after the connection have pipes expanded to the diameter you want run to the back. With a functional system you can then decide where to go afterwards. Headers or time to search for manifolds of choice. You only then have to change out the head pipe.

My2c Mike.
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: Burdar on October 01, 2017, 05:59:31 PM
Lots of times, the factory used a smaller diameter pipe right off of the manifolds. Then, once the pipe got past the starter, shift linkage and oil filter, it expanded to a larger size. My guess is that the factory pipe on the manifold was 2". Somewhere along side the trans, it expands to 2 1/4" OD. Most of the system is probably 2 1/4".

I don't see a problem with using a reducer and connecting your headers to a 2 1/4" system since you already have it. Save some money and use your existing system so you can get the car on the road. Then in a couple years, you can upgrade to a 2 1/2" system. :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 01, 2017, 07:51:16 PM
It was actually proven to increase power the other way around with larger pipes off of the manifolds & reducing toward the tips as the exhaust cools
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: moparmadman69 on October 02, 2017, 08:49:59 AM
Quote from: nsmall on September 30, 2017, 11:29:58 PM
Quote from: moparmadman69 on May 09, 2017, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: nsmall on May 02, 2017, 10:14:55 PM
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) @rocketresto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rocketresto_130)

Thanks for the offer rocketresto.  I'll consider.  Considering headers also.

Not sure how much of a difference 68 - 70 manifolds are vs 1973.  Is there any actual data on this as I do want more flow since I have a fairly High Performance 340.

6bblgt.... Based on the numbers you posted my passenger side is a 73 340...but the driver side I can't confirm even though I think it was only like one number off of what you posted.


Pic number one is driver side.


Thanks

Those are correct 340 manifolds for a 73-74 340/360 HP motor. Unlike the 70 style (549-553) these are a 2" ball flange manifold. That means the largest pipe you can run off those manifolds is 2.00". The factory head pipes were 2.00" off the manifold with a loose flange and once they got under the car the remainder of the head pipe was 2.25". The 70 style have a 2.50" fixed welded flange which usually will accommodate 2.25" exhaust all the way back which is sufficient flow for a 340. You can always add high flow mufflers like our Magnums and it will accommodate more HP. Just sayin  :yes:

@moparmadman69 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/moparmadman69_115)

Ughhh.  Im getting ready to have my new exhaust installed and I thought I had 2.25 inch exhaust coming off my 1973 340 exhaust manifolds.  You state above this is NOT possible.  Ughhh.  I guess I need to drop some more money as 2 inch is to narrow for what I'm trying to do.  When I measure it.... it seems like 2.25.  Sorry to question you, but are you 100% certain?

Thanks

The issue is that since is a ball and socket style manifold you can't get enough flair on the pipe to get a seal. For what you are trying to achieve I would suggest the 70 style manifolds with an oil filter adapter would be your best bet.
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: Cudakiller70 on October 02, 2017, 11:14:46 AM
I have a 71 340, went with TTI SHORTYS about the same price as OEM manifolds. TTI's fit very well.
Title: Re: 340 exhaust manifolds
Post by: moparmadman69 on October 02, 2017, 03:14:09 PM
Quote from: Burdar on October 01, 2017, 05:59:31 PM
Lots of times, the factory used a smaller diameter pipe right off of the manifolds. Then, once the pipe got past the starter, shift linkage and oil filter, it expanded to a larger size. My guess is that the factory pipe on the manifold was 2". Somewhere along side the trans, it expands to 2 1/4" OD. Most of the system is probably 2 1/4".

I don't see a problem with using a reducer and connecting your headers to a 2 1/4" system since you already have it. Save some money and use your existing system so you can get the car on the road. Then in a couple years, you can upgrade to a 2 1/2" system. :alan2cents:

Factory exhaust was 2.00" off the manifolds for about 16" then they went into 2.25" all the way to the mufflers back by the gas tanks and exited the muffler in a 2" tip.