First off, YES, Yes, yes, I know there is no such thing as a cheap hemi engine but with that being said:
What is the cheapest of the expensive Hemi engine options to install in an ebody?
In other words if someone wanted the prestige that a hemi engine brings to the table without regards to horsepower or just putting fake stickers and emblems on, what would be the best path forward? A jeep hemi? A first gen hemi? 2nd gen or 3rd gen?
Interesting question, I'm guessing a Gen3 Hemi is the best price you can get.
That's my long term goal and I'm thinking it's a ~$15k job.
Best part about the Gen3 is you can drive it cross country, try that with a Gen2.
I would expect the Gen 3 Hemi but it has the least wow factor , you will need a lot of parts & will run into 10 k maybe , less if you can find a good used engine , but you will still need headers , mounts , oil filter adapter , wiring & computer on & on ...
You can read #303 Mopars thread on installing his 6.4
Gen 2 you will have 5k into the heads & rockers alone
Gen 1 forget it , great engines but too wide for an E body IMO
on the cheap - no stiffening, don't mind pounding out the firewall a little, junkyard Gen3 Hemi and aftermarket EFI/control @ 10-12k, upgrade tranny ...... add a lot more depending on auto/manual.
@303 Mopar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/303-mopar_7) might be able to give you a rough on the full Gen3 392 crate + 5 spd cost. more reliable too
A date code correct original 426 Hemi would be hard to build for under $20k if you had to buy the block. If it's a fun build, I think there is a lot of upside to doing a resto-mod modern Hemi. :alan2cents:
My 392 Hemi swap for all brand new parts not including the trans was $13k. I've since swapped my 727 for a Passon 4 spd OD so tack on another $7k.
The cheapest route is to find a used 5.7 Hemi from a yard, total cost would be half of what I paid.
You said cheapest so I say first gen. I've seen a few swapped into E and B (and actually A!) bodies over the years. Buy-in is cheap but you need to build all the fittings to make it work. Not something I would do however.
Yes the Gen 2 is the most expensive but it's also the one that looks "right" and it also will retain that buy-in cost the best as well.
If I want a Gen 3 I'll just buy the new style Challenger to go with it and turn the A/C on as I go on a cruise. I know why guys swap them but it just isn't my thing.
I was just at the shop Friday and they're doing a warranty on a Charger. The insurance company sent a junkyard motor with. 100k miles on it - $6900. That was just motor.
How correct would you make one is another factor.
Going cheap, put a hydraulic cam, single 4 barrel, cheap headers, and low cost internals. $20K+
Or go.."I want it just like it was then" and pay close to $30K and it's stroked with:
Forged pistons, Manley valves, Brodix guides, pocket ported heads, Johnson EDM lifters, factory carbs Scott re built, OEM radiator, Federal steering pump with track pack cooler....the list goes on.
There's how you get to $30K really quickly.
When I built this, it seemed like a tunnel that would never end.
Quote from: Topcat on July 09, 2017, 08:54:12 PM
There's how you get to $30K really quickly.
When I built this, it seemed like a tunnel that would never end.
And that is just the build cost. Then you have the tuning and parts for this Hemi is not cheap. Yes they are the best looking, most correct, most coveted engine but you better have deep pockets if you go this direction.
Quote from: Marc70challenger on July 09, 2017, 07:47:07 PM
I was just at the shop Friday and they're doing a warranty on a Charger. The insurance company sent a junkyard motor with. 100k miles on it - $6900. That was just motor.
That's a $1500 engine at best in the real world.
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Just picked up a runner 5.7 Hemi for $300 out of a truck - deals can be had.
Nothing is cheap in the mopar world :rofl:
Quote from: Topcat on July 09, 2017, 08:54:12 PM
How correct would you make one is another factor.
Going cheap, put a hydraulic cam, single 4 barrel, cheap headers, and low cost internals. $20K+
Or go.."I want it just like it was then" and pay close to $30K and it's stroked with:
Forged pistons, Manley valves, Brodix guides, pocket ported heads, Johnson EDM lifters, factory carbs Scott re built, OEM radiator, Federal steering pump with track pack cooler....the list goes on.
There's how you get to $30K really quickly.
When I built this, it seemed like a tunnel that would never end.
Beautiful Hemi!!!!
Is it possible to buy the 3rd gen and make it look like a 2nd?
Also, I now have an A518 auto trans would that just mount directly to it?
Quote from: CudaMoparRay on July 10, 2017, 12:47:16 PM
Quote from: Topcat on July 09, 2017, 08:54:12 PM
How correct would you make one is another factor.
Going cheap, put a hydraulic cam, single 4 barrel, cheap headers, and low cost internals. $20K+
Or go.."I want it just like it was then" and pay close to $30K and it's stroked with:
Forged pistons, Manley valves, Brodix guides, pocket ported heads, Johnson EDM lifters, factory carbs Scott re built, OEM radiator, Federal steering pump with track pack cooler....the list goes on.
There's how you get to $30K really quickly.
When I built this, it seemed like a tunnel that would never end.
Beautiful Hemi!!!!
Is it possible to buy the 3rd gen and make it look like a 2nd?
Also, I now have an A518 auto trans would that just mount directly to it?
Leave off the coil covers and it is closer but will not fool anyone.
the 518 from an LA or magnum will bolt on with the correct flex plate
Quote from: GoodysGotaCuda on July 10, 2017, 06:33:51 AM
Quote from: Marc70challenger on July 09, 2017, 07:47:07 PM
I was just at the shop Friday and they're doing a warranty on a Charger. The insurance company sent a junkyard motor with. 100k miles on it - $6900. That was just motor.
That's a $1500 engine at best in the real world.
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You see em priced all over (for 6.1 .. we'll all for that matter ). Here's bunch with trans for that price.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=6.1+hemi+engine
if you want to go 392 Hemi
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=6.4+hemi+engine
or go the Hellcat Hemi route
http://www.modernmusclextreme.com/p-179-hellcat-62l-hemi-crate-engine.aspx
hehe, fun stuff
I believe
@MoparDave (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mopardave_10) can source new crate Hemis?
Gen 3 hemi or even the hellcat engine we can match or beat just about any price out there on same part numbers.
since you haven't said, What is your budget ? if you want cheap cheap. by a bowtie or a pony.
Any one actually seen a Gen 3 distributer conversion in person ? Part number mopar performance 5155929 I think.
http://www.thehemi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4551
Nope. and not sure why you would. That's going back wards.
Quote from: MoparDave on July 11, 2017, 10:39:17 AM
Nope. and not sure why you would. That's going back wards.
:iagree: Why mess with what the engineers spent all this time perfecting? :o
Quote from: MoparDave on July 11, 2017, 10:39:17 AM
Nope. and not sure why you would. That's going back wards.
Agreed. It hurts my heart to think about putting a carb and or distributor on w gen3.
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:iagree:
It sure seems backwards to remove all the technology from a modern engine :Thud:
Quote from: 303 Mopar on July 11, 2017, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: MoparDave on July 11, 2017, 10:39:17 AM
Nope. and not sure why you would. That's going back wards.
:iagree: Why mess with what the engineers spent all this time perfecting? :o
Remind me how well those engineers perfected your install.... LOL
Quote from: Sleepychallenger on July 12, 2017, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: 303 Mopar on July 11, 2017, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: MoparDave on July 11, 2017, 10:39:17 AM
Nope. and not sure why you would. That's going back wards.
:iagree: Why mess with what the engineers spent all this time perfecting? :o
Remind me how well those engineers perfected your install.... LOL
I think I'm educating them on the install. But the engineers nailed it on the 392 engine.
It did run pretty dang well.
Quote from: Sleepychallenger on July 12, 2017, 09:57:08 AM
Remind me how well those engineers perfected your install.... LOL
:rofl:
Carb = Controlled fuel leak
EFI is so much better , :bigthumb: especially with 8 individual coils
I remember seeing Hemi valve covers on a 3rd gen that made it look like a 2nd gen outside with the famous 4 plugs but underneath keeping the 8 coil on plugs.
An EFI dual carb setup that looked like a traditional hemi intake manifold/carb than the plenum look.
I understand why some have a hard time taking a modern hemi back to the stone age lol but if it can be done cheaper than a "Real 2nd gen" and keep the iconic looks, why not?
1. Weighs less because it would be all aluminum so even less than a 360 small block better handling than the iron elephant
2. Would retain the Lion's share of the modern technology
3. And for me the most important, it would have the look that I consider the best looking Hemi's ever made. WOW factor , big time!
4.Better running, better gas mileage, better performing and way better durability than the old hemi
OK let the burning begin :haha:
if I keep my foot out of carbs and stay under 70 mph on a freeway, I can get 14-16 MPG.
I think that's pretty respectable gas mileage.
If I were doing a Gen III the Hellcat krate engine would be a no brainer.
And it probably fits under the hood.
Downside is you can't do a legit Shaker on it.
So there goes your Wow factor.
i have been debating about this myself the best one i had was getting a hell cat short block and running 6.4 heads or thiktek,s with the mod man intake or get the hell cat block and go stroker kit it would weigh in at around 650# a gen 2 is 200# more and more finicky so i hear still trying to catch a R code project for the garage if Cody doesn't get them all so i can do this swap. i think you would come out around 6k cheaper going 3rd gen hemi vs 2nd gen
here is what i had so far in parts list for a hellcat short block build with going turbo later on.
hellcat short block $3,900
indy mod man 2x4 efi $2,200
or f&b fast 3x2/2x4 i heard around $5,000 out the door
set of 6.4 heads $2,100
front accy kit $1,600
accy bundle $350
tti headers $660
mini starter $170
this is just a rough parts list am sure missing a bunch of other things that would quickly add up another $4-6k or more
the mod man from what i research is mixed feelings on the web i don't know anyone personally with one but it would match up to the normal car show attendees as a gen 2 and u could add a shaker or normal base to it.
Quote from: hato on July 12, 2017, 10:47:19 PM
i have been debating about this myself the best one i had was getting a hell cat short block and running 6.4 heads or thiktek,s with the mod man intake or get the hell cat block and go stroker kit it would weigh in at around 650# a gen 2 is 200# more and more finicky so i hear still trying to catch a R code project for the garage if Cody doesn't get them all so i can do this swap. i think you would come out around 6k cheaper going 3rd gen hemi vs 2nd gen
here is what i had so far in parts list for a hellcat short block build with going turbo later on.
hellcat short block $3,900
indy mod man 2x4 efi $2,200
or f&b fast 3x2/2x4 i heard around $5,000 out the door
set of 6.4 heads $2,100
front accy kit $1,600
accy bundle $350
tti headers $660
mini starter $170
this is just a rough parts list am sure missing a bunch of other things that would quickly add up another $4-6k or more
the mod man from what i research is mixed feelings on the web i don't know anyone personally with one but it would match up to the normal car show attendees as a gen 2 and u could add a shaker or normal base to it.
This is pretty much what I'm talking about.
You have done a good bit of homework on this that can be very useful in going this route.