Last year I went and looked at a 1 owner 1970 AAR Cuda. Her and her first husband bought it brand new. He passed away several years back. She remarried and kept the car for a long time.... but now they were thinking of selling the car. It was repainted in the 80's, but they taped around the stripes and the Organosol is still original. It's an Auto on the floor and they have the original sale agreement and window sticker (plus some other rare documents including their first speeding ticking in 73). I saw a build sheet behind the radio. There is damage to the front right fender where they hit a deer. Some rust, but not a rust bucket. This is not what anyone will call an original survivor car, but this is not a car that's been messed with a bunch either. When they were thinking of selling last year they wanted $60K. I looked the car over and thought that was to much.
Fast forward to last Wednesday and I'm chatting with a buddy at the car show when that AAR came up. I said I would call them and see what ended up happening with it. But when I got home I couldn't find their number. So today my wife and I are cruising around and decided to see if we could find their house. I was pretty sure I could remember once I got close. And sure enough we found them. I knocked on the door and her 2nd Husband answered it. I introduced myself and he remembered me. I asked if they still had the AAR and he said yes, but his wife just pasted away last week. I was so sorry to hear that and apologized for my timing. He said they are now going to do anything right now, but the AAR will most likely be for sale in the future.
Regardless if I buy it or someone else, I would like to be honest with them and tell them what a fair price is. They know they did not get any takers at $60K last year so I think he's ready to listen what it is really worth. It runs and drives. What's everyone thoughts?
More :takepicture:
wow, tough one. sometimes timing is everything and while it sucks to 'just happen to drop by the week after she passed' on luck, I personally see it as fate knocking on both your doors and maybe the wife knows you are the man to have it and put a bug in your ear.
if I had an AAR, that would be the color combo I would want (or a TX9) personally. unfortunately it's a weird position AAR. almost nice enough to drive as is (with a few little fixes), but needs a resto to do it right. just my personal thoughts - $25-35k depending on how the rusties look.
What a find !!
how do you find these cars :clapping:
I'll take all I could get for 25K, I think more like 35K to 40K. 50K for a proper restoration and sell for 80K.
that's how this hobby works :cheers:
Cody do you remember the date the car was made on door tag or fender tag?
Thanks Ken
Quote from: 70vcodecuda on June 25, 2017, 04:58:15 PM
how do you find these cars :clapping:
I'll take all I could get for 25K, I think more like 35K to 40K. 50K for a proper restoration and sell for 80K.
that's how this hobby works :cheers:
Hmmm I'm not in this hobby to make a quick dollar . . I would want to keep it! Go ahead and sell it when I'm dead and gone . . :dunno:
Oh man! First gut reaction is $35k as well.
:haha: at $25k am mortgaging off the wife and bashing anyone in my way like a baby seal
30-45k is prolly the tops at this point and I wouldn't feel bad spending 30-40k on it imo get it in long haul shape and drive to every event you can. The show field at carslie has plenty of :1place: e body's it's nixw having a roughie in the crowd
If it comes for sale next month let me know I may have to crack the piggy banks knee for this one
My first gut reaction price was $35,000 too. But agreed on how bad the rust raggots are. I would be torn on just doing some minor stuff and keeping it as is, or going 100% resto.
$60,000 is a dream price, no way a sane person could pay that unless it was a "I have to have it" situation.
I hope whoever buys it has the skill to restore what's there rather than shotgunning other parts at it. For instance I would want to metal work the original fenders and mount them right back where they belong.
One thing doesn't add up though, first speeding ticket in 1973? No way.
Appreciate the help everyone. $35k does seem like a fair number on it. My little cheat book has it at $31,500, but I think this car has a little more going for it being a 1 owner and all the numbers and documents are there. But it is an Auto and there is some rust. Going over $40k would be very hard to do.
Pretty sure thats a car @ cuda dad considered before picking up his FE5 4Spd AAR
Thanks Cody! Im still trying to do a little research on my space save spare date code and jack mask date code. Did you by chance see the date code on jack and space saver for reference?
Thanks Ken
No, I did not look. But I can if I see the car again. It original came from about 3 hours south of you in Monroe, Wisconsin.
Quote from: Convertcuda on June 25, 2017, 06:42:46 PM
Thanks Cody! Im still trying to do a little research on my space save spare date code and jack mask date code. Did you by chance see the date code on jack and space saver for reference?
Thanks Ken
Wow thats cool. If you do I would be so thankful. Please take reference pics on spacer rubber (since there are a few versions), numbers by valve stem and in the center of where wheels mounts. Also date on Jack. Then I can figure what to do for my car. I'm sure many others would like this info too.
Thanks Ken
Great curb appeal with that color combo and long term ownership but beware of that Wisconsin rust if that's where you said it once lived, although it doesn't look that bad to me. This car is worth more than 25. I'm thinking 35-40.
it looks like a great AAR to have the privilege of being the first one to restore it (sometimes there is a $$ premium to that)
yes, all the soft parts that need replacement will be reproduction, but it appears the majority of its components could be restored VS. catalog shopping reproduction parts and chasing trinkets
Quote from: Cuda Cody on June 25, 2017, 06:29:49 PM
Appreciate the help everyone. $35k does seem like a fair number on it. My little cheat book has it at $31,500, but I think this car has a little more going for it being a 1 owner and all the numbers and documents are there. But it is an Auto and there is some rust. Going over $40k would be very hard to do.
I think you nailed it there, if it were 4 spd maybe $40k
Gees Cody...you have all the luck in the world....What timing ! :banana:
I'm interested. :)
the $25k I was thinking before the other pics were loaded and if it had bad rusties in the quarters/floorpan/trunkpan. but it looks pretty good. he auto holds it back a little. $35 seems about right, maybe a little more with all the history/documentation.
Quote from: anlauto on June 26, 2017, 07:07:13 AM
Quote from: 303 Mopar on June 26, 2017, 06:28:49 AM
Timing is everything, its how I've found a couple of my cars. @Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1), since you already have a couple of gorgeous fully restored e-bodies I would be very tempted to just get it running and drive it as a true survivor car rather than take it off the road for a couple more years and dump $60k into a restoration. I guess you have to buy it first so one step at a time.
I hear this all the time but could never understand the thrill of driving a ratty looking piece of crap ? :looney:, I guess it's just me....I don't even like driving my truck when it's dirty....
Its the "time capsule" "only original once" thing. You can restore it anytime and there are plenty of fully restored cars out there, but how many all original non-restored cars do you see. Granted it is rusty and can be cleaned up some, but seeing it in this state would really be cool.
I agree: Seeing them in this state is pretty cool. Owning them in that state always seems like a good idea until it happens, then every scratch and mark starts to bug you.
It's just me really....I'm the only guy walking through the "survivor tent" at Carlisle thinking most of the cars need to be restored :pullinghair:
Quote from: anlauto on June 26, 2017, 06:41:57 PM
It's just me really....I'm the only guy walking through the "survivor tent" at Carlisle thinking most of the cars need to be restored :pullinghair:
You see more cars in the "before" and "after" stage than most people, so that could be influencing your opinion. I've never had an all "original" car so that is my curiosity.
Well the auto really kills the price for me and seeing the trunk pan gone it makes me wonder how much rust fun you would have with this. I'd say 30-35 tops and you are taking a gamble, hopefully there are no surprises under the vinyl top either.
It seems the new owner is a truck driver so if you put your thinking cap on maybe you can trade something he would want (tractor truck-wise or maybe make him a sign/decals?) to get him to come down on price.
Maybe around 30 it would be a larger market and quick sale. At that price I would have a hard time saying no to this AAR even though my funds are waiting for a V/N96. If around 40, that might limit the market to those that can restore themselves and then things like auto and rust would nitpick the price down anyway. I can't see someone willingly coming down from 60 to 40 though no matter how you present it to him.
Quote from: anlauto on June 26, 2017, 06:41:57 PM
It's just me really....I'm the only guy walking through the "survivor tent" at Carlisle thinking most of the cars need to be restored :pullinghair:
Ya .... but your just a little biased.... :)
Quote from: Brads70 on June 27, 2017, 06:07:08 PM
Quote from: anlauto on June 26, 2017, 06:41:57 PM
It's just me really....I'm the only guy walking through the "survivor tent" at Carlisle thinking most of the cars need to be restored :pullinghair:
Ya .... but your just a little biased.... :)
I'd certainly be the first to admit that.....but I've never had an interest in original type cars :alan2cents: or cars that look like crap....
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Quote from: Convertcuda on June 25, 2017, 05:33:07 PM
Cody do you remember the date the car was made on door tag or fender tag?
Thanks Ken
SPD is 320 and the door sticker is March
I nearly purchased this car a year ago, were it not for the rust. I could not afford to buy it and restore it. It deserves and needs to be restored. I have not seen it in person but I have looked at lots of pictures. This car has a lot of originality and prominence. In my opinion, the things that hurt the price are the manual steering, body damage, repaint, rust. It is a little crusty underneath but the owner assured me that it is not major. From the pictures it seems that it should be dipped. It does not get the additional value of a 4-speed but at least it has the SLAP-STIK.
The body numbers match, as well as the engine and transmission, data plate, dash vin, and door sticker. It is a one owner. They have the original window sticker, manuals, purchase agreement, and the build sheet is in the car still.
I think this car is easily worth $45 to $50k. Anything under $45 would be a bargain, my opinion.
If I were to sell my car, this is the one I would buy.
This is a beautiful car. I think 35 is fair. I would be driving it as is for a while....that could be cause I would be broke from buying it!
Quote from: Shoooter on July 05, 2017, 08:21:42 PM
This is a beautiful car. I think 35 is fair. I would be driving it as is for a while....that could be cause I would be broke from buying it!
:iagree: This is me too. I feel the auto holds it back from being above 35k. I love the car though....great time capsule!
40-45k
What the fendertag spd? I can tell the first three digits for the VIN-nr knowing the date.
Quote from: 71REDCUDA on July 11, 2017, 12:43:43 PM
What the fendertag spd? I can tell the first three digits for the VIN-nr knowing the date.
320
This one sold for 36 and its all apart..this car is One owner you have all the history and docs all original ..
www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Plymouth-Barracuda-/132259331118?hash=item1ecb453c2e:g:dn4AAOSwidlZZVj8&vxp=mtr
Not that I am aware of yet.
Quote from: TX9AAR on August 19, 2017, 08:50:31 AM
Did this car find a new care taker?
Why are you taking a pass on it ?
I would like to buy it, but when I last spoke to the family they informed me the woman who I had been dealing with (the original owner) passed away and they asked for some time to deal with everything. Out of respect for her and their wishes I have left them completely alone. They know how to contact me if they want to sell or need any help with it. I also will encourage them to keep it if anyone one in their family is in to cars even a tiny bit at all. They might want it for the memory of her. I was sorry to hear she passed away. She did not look very old nor did she seem to be in bad health.
Quote from: anlauto on August 19, 2017, 04:37:33 PM
Why are you taking a pass on it ?
:stop: :worship: :handshake:
*** Update ***
The husband of the original owner has reached out to me to let me know they are ready to sell this AAR. He said they are not in a hurry so they are going to ask $60k. Go to page 1 to see photos.
Nice car. Too much I think. They can always come down though I suppose.
Yes I agree...$60K is very optimistic.... :notsure:
that's like 80k Canadian for a car that needs a total restoration. wow. nice car though I would drive it the way it is!
Quote from: cuda dad on June 29, 2017, 09:29:24 AM
I nearly purchased this car a year ago, were it not for the rust. I could not afford to buy it and restore it. It deserves and needs to be restored. I have not seen it in person but I have looked at lots of pictures. This car has a lot of originality and prominence. In my opinion, the things that hurt the price are the manual steering, body damage, repaint, rust. It is a little crusty underneath but the owner assured me that it is not major. From the pictures it seems that it should be dipped. It does not get the additional value of a 4-speed but at least it has the SLAP-STIK.
The body numbers match, as well as the engine and transmission, data plate, dash vin, and door sticker. It is a one owner. They have the original window sticker, manuals, purchase agreement, and the build sheet is in the car still.
I think this car is easily worth $45 to $50k. Anything under $45 would be a bargain, my opinion.
If I were to sell my car, this is the one I would buy.
This is spot one. Where are you going to find one like this? I would think $45K is fair to everyone
Quote from: Morty426 on June 03, 2018, 12:37:57 AM
Quote from: cuda dad on June 29, 2017, 09:29:24 AM
I nearly purchased this car a year ago, were it not for the rust. I could not afford to buy it and restore it. It deserves and needs to be restored. I have not seen it in person but I have looked at lots of pictures. This car has a lot of originality and prominence. In my opinion, the things that hurt the price are the manual steering, body damage, repaint, rust. It is a little crusty underneath but the owner assured me that it is not major. From the pictures it seems that it should be dipped. It does not get the additional value of a 4-speed but at least it has the SLAP-STIK.
The body numbers match, as well as the engine and transmission, data plate, dash vin, and door sticker. It is a one owner. They have the original window sticker, manuals, purchase agreement, and the build sheet is in the car still.
I think this car is easily worth $45 to $50k. Anything under $45 would be a bargain, my opinion.
If I were to sell my car, this is the one I would buy.
This is spot one. Where are you going to find one like this? I would think $45K is fair to everyone
What would you do with this car if you purchased for 45k?
Quote from: kdcarman on June 03, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
Quote from: Morty426 on June 03, 2018, 12:37:57 AM
Quote from: cuda dad on June 29, 2017, 09:29:24 AM
I nearly purchased this car a year ago, were it not for the rust. I could not afford to buy it and restore it. It deserves and needs to be restored. I have not seen it in person but I have looked at lots of pictures. This car has a lot of originality and prominence. In my opinion, the things that hurt the price are the manual steering, body damage, repaint, rust. It is a little crusty underneath but the owner assured me that it is not major. From the pictures it seems that it should be dipped. It does not get the additional value of a 4-speed but at least it has the SLAP-STIK.
The body numbers match, as well as the engine and transmission, data plate, dash vin, and door sticker. It is a one owner. They have the original window sticker, manuals, purchase agreement, and the build sheet is in the car still.
I think this car is easily worth $45 to $50k. Anything under $45 would be a bargain, my opinion.
If I were to sell my car, this is the one I would buy.
This is spot one. Where are you going to find one like this? I would think $45K is fair to everyone
What would you do with this car if you purchased for 45k?
Assuming it had minor rust issues I would restore it.
I realize that this would be a money loser but !. I'm not in it for the money. 2. It's a color I want. 3. It's a model I want.
Trick question: What would this exact car be worth if it were TX9 black ?
Quote from: anlauto on June 03, 2018, 05:58:33 AM
Trick question: What would this exact car be worth if it were TX9 black ?
$45k :)
I thought you'd say $35K :veryexcited:
I can't see 60k for a car that needs that much work when for another 10-20K you can get a nicely restored one. It will easily cost double that to restore it. I can see if it was a clean unrestored car he might get the 60K. It's crazy when you think about it that all of us would jump at this for 35K. If we only knew back then what these cars would be worth!
Once it's restored it will be no different than all the other restored ones I suppose. Although even then I prefer a car that hasn't had major surgery done on it. I would certainly enjoy driving it as is for a period of time and I think there would be a lot of interest paid to it. The fun would be over after a short time though and once you started on it everything would have to be touched.
One Owner Cars, especially this old, have a pedigree that can't be matched for rare.
I don't buy E bodies or anything else because of affordability, I buy them because I like them
and if I have the lucrative cash, I pay up. I have been a fan of these cars since the fall of '69.
Now, it's a matter of supply and demand.
This isn't a Hobby that goes unnoticed. With all of the BS shows and Brand X Guys
that want a piece of the action, competition is strong.
Thanks for Cody posting about this, He is a True Asset to the Hobby.
I hope this 'Cuda goes to a loving non flip home.
Good luck to the Buyer.
I agree: It sure deserves a good, longtime Mopar home. I've seen cars like this get picked up and pretty soon a splash of paint is on them, then a replacement rad, then a few other replacement items and pretty soon all is lost.
Runcharger,
I like your posts, We are in the Old Timers Group and have similar Values.
Good luck with Your future Cars.
Thanks: I think a lot of us have similar tastes and of course others enjoy their E-bodies in a different way. I'm good with all of it. A friend is selling a 67 GTX convt. in a condition a bit worse than this and I am considering buying that car and getting it running and driving as-is. Kind of want another Challenger though.
Quote from: anlauto on June 03, 2018, 05:58:33 AM
Trick question: What would this exact car be worth if it were TX9 black ?
Less. To me anyway.
Black is boring. I stood next to Ken Funk's (it has a different owner now) triple black stripe delete survivor 71 HEMI Challenger R/T at the Spring Fling one year and watched as people passed it by without looking.
I know many people like black cars but to me I would rather have a nice color, even F8 green before black.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on June 03, 2018, 10:36:46 AM
Thanks: I think a lot of us have similar tastes and of course others enjoy their E-bodies in a different way. I'm good with all of it. A friend is selling a 67 GTX convt. in a condition a bit worse than this and I am considering buying that car and getting it running and driving as-is. Kind of want another Challenger though.
What are you looking for in a Challenger?
4 speed, orange I would prefer a U-code. Most other things are less important.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on June 03, 2018, 09:15:45 PM
4 speed, orange I would prefer a U-code. Most other things are less important.
Aren't there only 334 of those made?
I know where a restored FC7 one is sitting. Owner told me he wanted to sell as he is more of a B Body guy.
Quote from: Morty426 on June 03, 2018, 08:55:27 PM
Quote from: anlauto on June 03, 2018, 05:58:33 AM
Trick question: What would this exact car be worth if it were TX9 black ?
Less. To me anyway.
Black is boring. I stood next to Ken Funk's (it has a different owner now) triple black stripe delete survivor 71 HEMI Challenger R/T at the Spring Fling one year and watched as people passed it by without looking.
I know many people like black cars but to me I would rather have a nice color, even F8 green before black.
Funny - I sold my F8 AAR to get the TX9 vcode Cuda. Everybody has their own tastes. But from a broad market perspective black commands a premium.
Quote from: kdcarman on June 04, 2018, 04:06:36 AM
Quote from: Morty426 on June 03, 2018, 08:55:27 PM
Quote from: anlauto on June 03, 2018, 05:58:33 AM
Trick question: What would this exact car be worth if it were TX9 black ?
Less. To me anyway.
Black is boring. I stood next to Ken Funk's (it has a different owner now) triple black stripe delete survivor 71 HEMI Challenger R/T at the Spring Fling one year and watched as people passed it by without looking.
I know many people like black cars but to me I would rather have a nice color, even F8 green before black.
Funny - I sold my F8 AAR to get the TX9 vcode Cuda. Everybody has their own tastes. But from a broad market perspective black commands a premium.
I will admit that that is true. There are a lot of famous black Mopars that help that opinion.
back to the b5 aar.
my thoughts.
it will sell for 60.
the fender and header will be fixed.
EBAY,, BUY IT NOW FOR 90K.. ONE OWNER """"SURVIOR""""
taking bets.
Quote from: kathyscuda on June 04, 2018, 06:58:24 AM
back to the b5 aar.
my thoughts.
it will sell for 60.
the fender and header will be fixed.
EBAY,, BUY IT NOW FOR 90K.. ONE OWNER """"SURVIOR""""
taking bets.
It's been repainted so technically it cannot be a survivor
Looking at it again it would be a hard decision. I wouldn't be happy with it after the first season of using it. The dents would really bug me, the underhood, interior and trunk should be left as is IMO. If you repainted the exterior, you would get grief from Mopar guys at shows for the less than pristine original areas. I think that's what I would be tempted to do though, carefully mask the interior areas and respray the whole exterior, then I would drive it a bit and probably not show it.
Values have come up a bit since the original post, if someone gets it at $50k it might be acceptable for both parties. Not a great deal for a buyer at $50k but I've seen much worse cars and complete, untouched ones like this aren't common anymore. Maybe I'm wrong and I wouldn't spend that on an automatic but I think someone will.
I really dig this car. I would try to preserve it as best I could. Alas, I must resist.