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Title: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 303 Mopar on April 03, 2019, 12:34:24 PM
This 1970 Dodge Challenger convertible is finished in Top Banana Yellow over a black interior featuring woodgrain trim and front bucket seats. Power is from a 340ci V8 backed by a 4-speed manual transmission, and other factory features include power disc brakes, power steering, and a dual exhaust. The chassis build tag can be seen in the gallery below and the car was reportedly restored by a previous owner. The seller acquired the car in January 2018 from Don Williams of The Blackhawk Collection. This first-year Challenger is now offered in Bremerton, Washington with a clean California title.

JH27HOB171798
49k Miles Shown
340ci V8
4-Speed Manual Transmission
Top Banana Yellow
Black Interior and Soft Top
Woodgrain Trim
Leather Bucket Seats
Power Brakes and Steering
Dual Exhaust

Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 6bblgt on April 03, 2019, 12:59:56 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-dodge-challenger-21/
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: anlauto on April 03, 2019, 01:24:44 PM



340 stick...nice :burnout:
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: erik70rt on April 03, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
That's sweet.  My first Challenger was an A66 4 spd car.  Loved it!! 
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 340challconvert on April 03, 2019, 04:07:06 PM
As always I'm an A66 fan.
That Y1 car is almost an exact duplicate of my A66 vert, but mine being an automatic.
Of course that car is currently in much better condition then mine; kind of what mine should look like (minus the incorrect RT stuff)

Has this car sold?  The auction site listed the ending of the bidding on April 10th with a current bid of $15K

In my earlier notes on this car; I came across someone saying it was a re-body??  Not sure how accurate that statement is?
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 6bblgt on April 03, 2019, 04:28:54 PM
correct, it is currently bid to $15K & the auction ends on 4/10 (next Wednesday)
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: benlavigne on April 03, 2019, 07:21:54 PM
Quote from: 340challconvert on April 03, 2019, 04:07:06 PM
As always I'm an A66 fan.
That Y1 car is almost an exact duplicate of my A66 vert, but mine being an automatic.
Of course that car is currently in much better condition then mine; kind of what mine should look like (minus the incorrect RT stuff)

Has this car sold?  The auction site listed the ending of the bidding on April 10th with a current bid of $15K

In my earlier notes on this car; I came across someone saying it was a re-body??  Not sure how accurate that statement is?

I saw it at Barrett-Jackson last January, it sold for 45K plus fee...So the first part of the description is untrue.. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1970-DODGE-CHALLENGER-CONVERTIBLE-227452

It was clearly described as a rebody, lots wrong with it, lower door edges/sills looked full of filler, wrong rear valance, Rallye dash added on standard dash, wrong carb, assuming non-matching drivetrain...

Ben
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: anlauto on April 03, 2019, 07:35:15 PM
I thought rebodied cars were illegal ? :pokeeye:
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: gzig5 on April 04, 2019, 07:45:21 AM
What does "rebodied" mean?  Didn't start out as a convertible or it's had quarter skins replaced?
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 340challconvert on April 04, 2019, 08:34:23 AM
Thanks for the clarification on this car

:popcorn:

Quote from: benlavigne on April 03, 2019, 07:21:54 PM
Quote from: 340challconvert on April 03, 2019, 04:07:06 PM
As always I'm an A66 fan.
That Y1 car is almost an exact duplicate of my A66 vert, but mine being an automatic.
Of course that car is currently in much better condition then mine; kind of what mine should look like (minus the incorrect RT stuff)

Has this car sold?  The auction site listed the ending of the bidding on April 10th with a current bid of $15K

In my earlier notes on this car; I came across someone saying it was a re-body??  Not sure how accurate that statement is?

I saw it at Barrett-Jackson last January, it sold for 45K plus fee...So the first part of the description is untrue.. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1970-DODGE-CHALLENGER-CONVERTIBLE-227452

It was clearly described as a rebody, lots wrong with it, lower door edges/sills looked full of filler, wrong rear valance, Rallye dash added on standard dash, wrong carb, assuming non-matching drivetrain...

Ben
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 318Stroker on April 04, 2019, 10:03:17 AM
Quote from: benlavigne on April 03, 2019, 07:21:54 PM
Quote from: 340challconvert on April 03, 2019, 04:07:06 PM
As always I'm an A66 fan.
That Y1 car is almost an exact duplicate of my A66 vert, but mine being an automatic.
Of course that car is currently in much better condition then mine; kind of what mine should look like (minus the incorrect RT stuff)

Has this car sold?  The auction site listed the ending of the bidding on April 10th with a current bid of $15K

In my earlier notes on this car; I came across someone saying it was a re-body??  Not sure how accurate that statement is?

I saw it at Barrett-Jackson last January, it sold for 45K plus fee...So the first part of the description is untrue.. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1970-DODGE-CHALLENGER-CONVERTIBLE-227452

It was clearly described as a rebody, lots wrong with it, lower door edges/sills looked full of filler, wrong rear valance, Rallye dash added on standard dash, wrong carb, assuming non-matching drivetrain...

Ben

Wrong steering wheel also.
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: HP_Cuda on April 04, 2019, 10:26:35 AM

Funny how this one got folks all excited only to be let down on it's true nature.

:bricks:
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: anlauto on April 04, 2019, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: HP_Cuda on April 04, 2019, 10:26:35 AM

Funny how this one got folks all excited only to be let down on it's true nature.

:bricks:

Someone will buy it and be as happy as a pig in poo with it....Lot buyers not always crazy about that numbers thing...
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 303 Mopar on April 04, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: benlavigne on April 03, 2019, 07:21:54 PM
Quote from: 340challconvert on April 03, 2019, 04:07:06 PM
As always I'm an A66 fan.
That Y1 car is almost an exact duplicate of my A66 vert, but mine being an automatic.
Of course that car is currently in much better condition then mine; kind of what mine should look like (minus the incorrect RT stuff)

Has this car sold?  The auction site listed the ending of the bidding on April 10th with a current bid of $15K

In my earlier notes on this car; I came across someone saying it was a re-body??  Not sure how accurate that statement is?


I saw it at Barrett-Jackson last January, it sold for 45K plus fee...So the first part of the description is untrue.. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1970-DODGE-CHALLENGER-CONVERTIBLE-227452

It was clearly described as a rebody, lots wrong with it, lower door edges/sills looked full of filler, wrong rear valance, Rallye dash added on standard dash, wrong carb, assuming non-matching drivetrain...

Ben

Do you have the "rebody" description in writing? Or someone just heard them talking about it?  That is a big accusation to make and I would want to be sure it was in writing before throwing the word "rebody" around.
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: scf100 on April 04, 2019, 01:40:37 PM
i HOPE the word REBODY for this car means top cut off and converted to a convertible.........because last time I checked moving a VIN from one car to another is a Federal offense....
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 6bblgt on April 04, 2019, 01:44:42 PM
 :thumbdown:
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 318Stroker on April 04, 2019, 02:00:07 PM
So it's listed with a convertible VIN, and states "Rebodied". This could get interesting!
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: anlauto on April 04, 2019, 02:42:28 PM
Cars are rebodied all the time, be thankful somebody chose to disclose it with this car :dunno:
What's the big deal...just don't buy it if that's not your thing :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: ragtopdodge on April 04, 2019, 02:52:07 PM
Problem is...thing started out probably as a /6 or 318 car.

340 car was trashed.  Or worse, VIN and FT are fake!

I wouldn't touch that car for more than $10k.

:thumbdown:
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 71vert340 on April 04, 2019, 05:41:22 PM
  I've always wondered what would stop an unscrupulous individual from going to a show, choosing a car he really likes, photograph thefender tag, VIN tag, window sticker, door VIN sticker and /or broadcast sheet, cowl and radiator support stamped numbers and duplicate the car?  If it's a rare car,  but not , say a hemi convertible,  he might get away with it.. All the documents  and tags can be reproduced and sheet metal can be stamped and welded in so the average collector could get screwed over. The owner of the original car would have to pay to show the other car is a fake. Isn't this what has happened to some of the rare Camaros and Mustangs, etc.? Just wondering.
Terry
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: HP_Cuda on April 05, 2019, 12:18:52 PM
 :iagree:

This is why I get pissed when I see someone taking a photo of my datatag and other areas.
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 6bblgt on April 06, 2019, 10:02:44 PM
the odds of someone making a "numbers exact clone" of your car are pretty slim - there are easier scams out there
IMO the more people that know what's real & what's not, helps the hobby.  the cars with the strongest registries are among the most valuable: Shelbys & wing cars come to mind in the muscle car world

this Charger R/T https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Dodge-Charger-R-T-SE-/173840291485?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true
was built around a VIN tag ONLY that was sold on eBay about 10 years ago
the current configuration is built to someone's desire to build a valuable car to sell

wonder if anyone lost their sunroof Charger in the past 10 years?  :foul:

the BAT auction conversation is getting interesting after the "rebody" question arrived & the seller claiming you can't rebody a uni-body car  :o

the 2009 & 2019 Barrett-Jackson auctions both show "REBODIED"
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1970-DODGE-CHALLENGER-CONVERTIBLE-70920
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1970-DODGE-CHALLENGER-CONVERTIBLE-227452
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: worthywads on April 07, 2019, 09:53:36 AM
Quote from: ragtopdodge on April 04, 2019, 02:52:07 PM
Problem is...thing started out probably as a /6 or 318 car.

340 car was trashed.  Or worse, VIN and FT are fake!

I wouldn't touch that car for more than $10k.

:thumbdown:

Rust bucket /6 or 318 cars sell for more than $10k.  This would be a steal for that price, even rebodied this should sell for what it is at $30K+.
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: scf100 on April 10, 2019, 12:11:35 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 04, 2019, 02:42:28 PM
Cars are rebodied all the time, be thankful somebody chose to disclose it with this car :dunno:
What's the big deal...just don't buy it if that's not your thing :alan2cents:

haha.....tell that to the DMV if/when they fig out whats going on........
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: anlauto on April 10, 2019, 01:54:55 PM
Quote from: scf100 on April 10, 2019, 12:11:35 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 04, 2019, 02:42:28 PM
Cars are rebodied all the time, be thankful somebody chose to disclose it with this car :dunno:
What's the big deal...just don't buy it if that's not your thing :alan2cents:

haha.....tell that to the DMV if/when they fig out whats going on........

If the VIN number on the title matches the one on the car, there's not much to figure out. :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 340challconvert on April 10, 2019, 02:04:24 PM
Not to  :deadhorse: to death
This is a legal source of information at Cornell U. that I have referenced professionally over the last 20 years.
US Federal Code regarding altering and removing motor vehicle ID numbers:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/511

Interesting reading! :thinking:
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 340challconvert on April 10, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
Part of this federal statute always pissed me off;
If someone switches the VIN numbers on a stolen vehicle and sells the car, the buyer must have knowledge that the car was stolen or is held harmless.

I researched this years back when I had a 1971 Challenger RT 383 4 sp car blue on blue stolen in 1989.  Car was never recovered.  It was just painted and was in beautiful condition.  Still have the title and paperwork on the car. 
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 303 Mopar on April 10, 2019, 02:16:36 PM
Bid up to $37,777 (Reserve Not Met)
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 6bblgt on April 10, 2019, 02:48:05 PM
Quote from: 340challconvert on April 10, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
Part of this federal statute always pissed me off;
If someone switches the VIN numbers on a stolen vehicle and sells the car, the buyer must have knowledge that the car was stolen or is held harmless.

I researched this years back when I had a 1971 Challenger RT 383 4 sp car blue on blue stolen in 1989.  Car was never recovered.  It was just painted and was in beautiful condition.  Still have the title and paperwork on the car.

the purchaser that unknowingly bought a retagged stolen car is held harmless on the theft (not criminally liable), he will however lose the car to the proper owner
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: scf100 on April 10, 2019, 06:28:04 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 10, 2019, 01:54:55 PM
Quote from: scf100 on April 10, 2019, 12:11:35 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 04, 2019, 02:42:28 PM
Cars are rebodied all the time, be thankful somebody chose to disclose it with this car :dunno:
What's the big deal...just don't buy it if that's not your thing :alan2cents:

haha.....tell that to the DMV if/when they fig out whats going on........

If the VIN number on the title matches the one on the car, there's not much to figure out. :dunno:


Until word gets around someone switched the VIN plate.......I have witnessed the feds paying a body shop to literally take a car apart to prove it was not a legit car..........at the very least you loose the car and at worst you have to explain it to your lawyer
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: benlavigne on May 15, 2019, 05:15:46 PM
...Back for another auction...
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/dodge/challenger/2263858.html?fbclid=IwAR1uyIWJxkU4iFa3Ftw4stJcqo7AWhocnN7gWYt0ynGDMuweTEW5VSXTwwo

Ben
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: 6bblgt on May 29, 2019, 02:12:31 AM
if you missed your opportunity to purchase this "gem" ..... you can head to Tacoma this weekend  :stop:

https://boise.craigslist.org/ctd/d/tacoma-gto-442-w30-boss-mach-more-lucky/6898755584.html
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: RUNCHARGER on May 29, 2019, 07:14:44 AM
I'm going to bid on the Ford Mustang Z28 Mach 1!
Title: Re: 1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible 4-Speed - BAT Auction
Post by: JS29 on May 29, 2019, 07:43:26 AM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on May 29, 2019, 07:14:44 AM
I'm going to bid on the Ford Mustang Z28 Mach 1!
:haha: VARY RARE! One of none.