With the announcement of the new vette and mustang, it is becoming more obvious how much distance in performance is between Mopar and Chevy/Ford.
The Shelby GT500 is 760 hp, and was rumored to have undergone some tweaks to increase the hp after the Redeye was announced at 797.
The new vette is only 495 hp which was shocking low to me. And what's with the wipers?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190719/26dd695587357bb8ceb30f921d5373d1.jpg)
(Shaking my head...) I can't help but wonder if GM is in trouble? They don't make one car I'd buy. In the 70's and 80's they made lots of good cars, I drove a few of them as daily drivers for over 30 years now . Actually I'm just this month retiring my 1986 Chev G20 service van. The trucks are just OK same for the Suburban/Tahoe but the price of them is insane! Our 2007 Suburban is tired and rotted out, looked at replacements. By the time your out the door they want almost 100K for a Chev Suburban! Seriously! Like what could you possibly do to a Suburban to make it worth that kind of money . One I can't afford that, 2 even if I could I'd have serious issues paying that for one! They are all worth the same in about 15 years and thats 100 bucks a ton at the wrecker. :looney:
The new vette looks like a total flop to me already! Looks like a cheap copy of a Ferrari? Stop trying to be European. If I wanted a European car I'd buy a BMW or Mercedes and not use my turn signals. They seem to have lost the "American Sportscar" feel IMO They last few years looked much better IMO , mind you I never have been much of a fan of any vette. They have always been parts cars for hotrods in my books so I guess I'm a little biased . I've driven a couple and .... well just didn't impress me much? I'd much rather a 1st or 2nd gen Viper over any Vette made.
I think I'm "done" with GM especially after taking all that/our bailout money and then closing all the plants. :bye:
I was done with GM back in 82 with my second & last ever GM
Taking bailout $$ & leaving is the final straw !
She might be 11 years old now but she's packing 600. I don't need all the fancy dials and knobs inside that the Vette has either.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on July 19, 2019, 06:41:06 PM
She might be 11 years old now but she's packing 600. I don't need all the fancy dials and knobs inside that the Vette has either.
Very nice!
That's still the base model Corvette, is it not? Certainly the Z06 and ZR1 will pack significantly more punch.
I love my Mopars, but the I'm not sure comparing a hellcat to a Corvette will come out in our favor when turning becomes involved...
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Agreed; I was going to buy a Hellcat until I drove one and then a Viper right after. The Viper felt a ton better all around, I'm sure the new Vettes will drive even better, I wonder what their weight is. They were talking about a ZO6 or something engine with louder exhaust but not much more power.
Quote from: GoodysGotaCuda on July 19, 2019, 08:22:10 PM
That's still the base model Corvette, is it not? Certainly the Z06 and ZR1 will pack significantly more punch.
I love my Mopars, but the I'm not sure comparing a hellcat to a Corvette will come out in our favor when turning becomes involved...
So if you're classifying the vette as a "super car" and not a "muscle car", it still fails in comparison to the Viper at 645 hp and 600 lb-ft tq for the SRT not to mention the ACR. Rumors are Mopar is bringing it back too.
Ha: I think the Stingray should be a relative bargain at the price they plan to sell it for though.
Quote from: 303 Mopar on July 20, 2019, 06:08:27 AM
Quote from: GoodysGotaCuda on July 19, 2019, 08:22:10 PM
That's still the base model Corvette, is it not? Certainly the Z06 and ZR1 will pack significantly more punch.
I love my Mopars, but the I'm not sure comparing a hellcat to a Corvette will come out in our favor when turning becomes involved...
So if you're classifying the vette as a "super car" and not a "muscle car", it still fails in comparison to the Viper at 645 hp 600 lb-ft tq for the SRT not to mention the ACR. Rumors are Mopar is bringing it back too.
Isn't the current ZR1 around 750hp/700tq?
I'm not sure putting a base Corvette up to a Viper is apples-to-apples.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No GM fan here either, but Chevy says 495 hp stock with a 0-60 in 3 seconds flat. Car looks very European/Japanese...fugly.
To each their own. Personally, i think the new 2020 vette looks are simply AWESOME... When i first saw it I thought it was a new Lamborghini model. 0-30 in 3 seconds flat for under $60K in the base model :Dis downright awesome. :crazytalk: Wish i could afford one.
Quote from: chargerdon on July 21, 2019, 03:37:50 AM
To each their own. Personally, i think the new 2020 vette looks are simply AWESOME... When i first saw it I thought it was a new Lamborghini model. 0-30 in 3 seconds flat for under $60K in the base model :Dis downright awesome. :crazytalk: Wish i could afford one.
True..no doubt though the performance is blistering
I watched the debut of the 2020 Corvette. The President of General Motors said there will be a twin- turbo 6.2L producing over 1000 horse power! The 2020 Stingray curb weight is only 3600 lbs and dry weight 3366....should be lightening fast.
GM Pres Mark Reuss said we can go on line and reserve one. So I did go on line and there is no pricing other than the base model will be under $60K. The 2020 Corvette is/will be the only mid-engine car built in america, and she's gorgeous!!!.
Quote from: IRON MAN on July 21, 2019, 09:08:05 AM
The 2020 Corvette is/will be the only mid-engine car built in america, and she's gorgeous!!!.
Where's the Ford GT built, China ?
Quote from: anlauto on July 21, 2019, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: IRON MAN on July 21, 2019, 09:08:05 AM
The 2020 Corvette is/will be the only mid-engine car built in america, and she's gorgeous!!!.
Where's the Ford GT built, China ?
wow! The Ford GT is built in the country you live in....Canada.
Quote from: IRON MAN on July 21, 2019, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: anlauto on July 21, 2019, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: IRON MAN on July 21, 2019, 09:08:05 AM
The 2020 Corvette is/will be the only mid-engine car built in america, and she's gorgeous!!!.
Where's the Ford GT built, China ?
wow! The Ford GT is built in the country you live in....Canada.
Really ? WOW...I had no idea.... :rofl: that's funny....my bad...who would have thought that the pinnacle of " America's Car Company" is manufactured in Canada :haha: :haha: :canada:
Sorry couldn't resist..... :Stirring:
Oh jeez!
:haha: :haha: now that is funny!
Spent 2 days driving C7's Stingrays at the GM corporate event in Dallas in March, admittedly not the Z06 or ZL1, but similar DNA. While they are nice (because they were brand new), would take my G2 Viper over any vette any day. It feels like what it is, a very high performance car, dare I say race car with license plates. The vette while very "sporty" had more knobs, buttons and switches than the space shuttle to the point where it was distracting. I did like the HUD, but that was about it. Yes, I am biased but many of the attendees when I was talking to them about the Vettes and mentioned "Viper" instantly said something to the effect of "now there is a real performance car".
One of the guys who worked with me an instructor at Ron Fellows racing and they use Z06's, he says they beat the dog crap out of them and they just keep coming back for more. The other guy with me worked at some Porsche place in LA and he was kind of laughing at that comment...
That would still be my pick also , 2001 Viper or the last series :twothumbsup:
Apparently cause you guys work cheaper!!!
:rofl:
1 USD = 1.31 CAD
The average line worker at Ford/GM/Chrysler (in Canada) makes $45/hr :bigmoney:
Ginger and MaryAnn :D
If anyone thinks they will come close to buying a new vette for $60k you are loopy :crazytalk:
I will take this gorgeous Viper over any vette any day. BTW, its up for sale on BAT now - https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2015-dodge-srt-viper-3/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification
Mid engine Corvette base price $59,000 :wowzers: . Ford GT base price $500,000 :drunk:.
Yup $59k is a steal, you can have a lot of fun for that $$$. My Viper listed at over $100k.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on July 27, 2019, 07:52:21 AM
Yup $59k is a steal, you can have a lot of fun for that $$$. My Viper listed at over $100k.
I paid $43,000 for my 465hp 2015 vette with 12,500 miles on it in 2017. I tell people that ask if I prefer the Vette or the Cuda. I tell them the Vette is "throw away techno". The Cuda is 70's muscle. :D
1 or 2 years used is the way to go. When I see a Vette at a dealership, they always order them with lots of stuff making the base price swell dramatically then they tack on extra dealer bumps because they can. Highly doubtful you could walk out of there with a new Vette anywhere close to 60s.
The used ones though are usually purchased new by old timers (young people generally can't afford them) and they are pampered and garaged. Driven lightly and infrequently. I know of many people who bought beautiful gently used Vettes for a song.
I wouldn't want one anymore than I'd want a new Challenger. Just too many produced. They are everywhere. And when they are everywhere they aren't really special anymore. I guess I'm too pragmatic. My newer cars are strictly disposable people movers and my old cars are for turning heads.
Yes I did 600 miles last weekend and never seen another Viper, I did though see 8 new style Corvettes.