Looking for a 1970 drum brake master cylinder marked AANF on the bottom. I know about the rain man brakes. But I would like to buy one from some one here. PM me here if anyone has one to sell.
Thanks
Dennis
Still looking.
I am switching to disc brakes on the front, so my MC is avalaible. I will check the markings on it. What is special about AANF?
I think I may have one. I'll have to look have a look. Do you have any pics of the markings you are looking for?
Quote from: GoMangoBoys on July 19, 2020, 07:14:35 AM
I am switching to disc brakes on the front, so my MC is avalaible. I will check the markings on it. What is special about AANF?
It is for the 1970 E Body only.
Quote from: xx88man on July 19, 2020, 08:06:22 AM
I think I may have one. I'll have to look have a look. Do you have any pics of the markings you are looking for?
No photos, But it will only have AANF on the bottom of M/C . Camel back top cover with one bolt.
I'm sure I have one if no one else is able to get you one. I just need to find time to look for it.
I have this.... but I honestly don't know if it's from an E body. Someone here should know......
Quote from: Cuda Cody on July 19, 2020, 05:55:41 PM
I'm sure I have one if no one else is able to get you one. I just need to find time to look for it.
Please let me know if you find it.
Quote from: xx88man on July 19, 2020, 06:38:11 PM
I have this.... but I honestly don't know if it's from an E body. Someone here should know......
I think that's for a 1970 A body . it's not a 1970 E Body.
Thanks for your time.
what is your source for this master cylinder ID info E VS. A, B, C, etc.?
got pics of the correct one?
1970 Parts Catalog shows:
#3420961 a-body master cylinder with power & manual drum brakes
#2808577 b, c, e-body master cylinder with power & manual drum brakes
does the a-body have a smaller bore diameter?
There's 3 different casting numbers found on 67-70 Mopar drum brake master cylinders but I've never found any differences between them other than the casting number and location of the date code. They are all 1" bore diameter. They were used on both power and manual brake applications. There was a dust boot to use with manual brakes that was typically included loose in the box when you bought a replacement master cylinder.
I've wondered why they used 3 casting numbers but no idea why. Since this part was used almost across all model lines they must have made a million of them. Maybe multiple factories and several suppliers for the castings and they used different casting numbers at different factories, or different casting numbers at different foundries?
I don't know. If I get a chance this week I'll try to clean it up and get a better look
Ones with 2225601 casting number have the date code stamped in the side, year space day.
Ones with AANF and 2660809 casting numbers have the datecode stamped in the castings nose. I don't have a sample handy but if I recall the order was reversed, day space year.
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 19, 2020, 08:01:39 PM
what is your source for this master cylinder ID info E VS. A, B, C, etc.?
got pics of the correct one?
1970 Parts Catalog shows:
#3420961 a-body master cylinder with power & manual drum brakes
#2808577 b, c, e-body master cylinder with power & manual drum brakes
does the a-body have a smaller bore diameter?
Here are some photos I found ,
my 1970 383 Challenger R/T is a power drum brake car - I thought I posted an ID a drum brake master cylinder thread, but can't find it
it has the original booster but the master cylinder has been changed
here's a thread with some ID info
https://forum.e-bodies.org/parts-wanted/25/wtb-70-challenger-original-drum-brake-master-cylinder-cap/17031/
here's an AANF master cylinder I have (a manual DRUM BRAKE master cylinder) w/Chrysler Corp. numbered seal #2823994
anyone know the correct application? is this a BENDIX piece?
- it appears to be cast *275* (Tuesday 10/2/73)
- it appears to be machined/assembled 2993 (Friday 10/26/73) not sure if that is an additional 1 at the end (shift/line #1) ?
"gaddied" has found info that states these "AANF" are '70 e-body only & the stamped date on the nose is 10,000 day calendar date formatted, this would change the date to:
- it appears to be cast *275* (Thursday 10/2/69)
- it appears to be machined/assembled 2993 (Tuesday 10/7/69) 1 at the end (shift/line #1) ?
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 21, 2020, 11:03:31 PM
here's an AANF master cylinder I have (a manual DRUM BRAKE master cylinder) w/Chrysler Corp. numbered seal #2823994
anyone know the correct application? is this a BENDIX piece?
- it appears to be cast *275* (Tuesday 10/2/73)
- it appears to be machined/assembled 2993 (Friday 10/26/73) not sure if that is an additional 1 at the end (shift/line #1) ?
The AANF was for the 1970 E body only. The AANF M/C was not built in 1973 it was 1970 E body only. The First E body was built in the Summer of 1969.
Yours was cast on Oct, 2 1969 and assembled on Oct, 7 1969. Yes it is a Bendix assembled on the first shift.
Hope this answers your questions.
Here is the one that I have marked AANF.
Both of mine did not have the AANF. :sorry:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on July 23, 2020, 10:07:31 AM
Both of mine did not have the AANF. :sorry:
Thanks for looking.
Quote from: GoMangoBoys on July 23, 2020, 09:27:28 AM
Here is the one that I have marked AANF.
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I sent you a pm.
Found one :banana:
Thanks every one !
I just looked some samples, an AANF was stamped 346(space)7 on the nose. There also a "B" on the nose that looks to be a fresher stamp (this MC sample is a commercial rebuilt)
it has 317 casted on the top of the mounting flange. Since this is a rebuilt that was sandblasted in the process, the last digit is not 100% legible but looks to be a 7.
I have 2 NOS ones with 2225601 casting numbers. They have their datecodes stamped in the left side of their castings. One is 6342H and has "254" casting date code cast in the bottom. It also has "Bendix" cast in the bottom.
the second NOS one with the 2225601 casting number has a 7192 date code and "146" casting date code cast in the bottom.
The interesting thing I see on the 2 NOS ones is that their castings are E coded black. I saw that a lot on Ford and GM master cylinders of that era made by Bendix, but Mopar disc brakes were painted black as an assembly and it's largely believed that the original 67-70 drum brake MCs were bare metal with plated caps.
Many of the NOS Mopar disc brake masters I've seen had "Made in Canada" stickers on them, a few stenciled, and a couple with mid 70s date codes were stamped made in Canada.
Bendix of course was based in South Bend Indiana and I think had manufacturing there too, but obviously they had a plant in Canada too.
The date codes in the sometime in 69 and later disc brake MCs were stamped in the side and one digit for year space 3 digits for day. Before that, they had a tin tag on the bale wire with a 4 digit date code.
As I previously mentioned, I have no idea why the drum MCs have 3 different casting numbers. I actually saw a reference in old analysis paperwork of an OE sample from back in the day of one they analyzed that had no casting number, in which case there were actually 4 different castings that were identical except for their part number or letters.
Barring talking to someone who worked at Bendix back in the day with a good memory or seeing their documentation, I don't think we will ever know for sure. All I can theorize is that they needed so many for both new car production and for replacement parts, seeing how many different body styles used it, that they built at multiple plants, and used multiple casting houses, and maybe even subcontracted out some production to meet the volume?
So is it the conclusion of this thread that 1970 power drum brake E-bodies had the AANF master cylinder?
I don't know on that issue. If it was, the cap and cap retaining bracket/bolt would have been painted too. I haven't seen any pictures of "survivors" that showed evidence of any paint on the cap, but that doesn't mean it didn't ever happen?
I've rarely seen survivors that have what appears the be the original master cylinder installed anyway, being cast iron filled with moisture attracting brake fluid, they rarely lasted more than 5 to 8 years before going bad and needing replacement. Fortunately since the 80s most master cylinders have been made with aluminum castings so we take it for granted that the ones on our daily drivers will probably never need replacement as was the case on previous generations of cars!
The 2 NOS samples I have that have black castings are not painted, they are E coated. And one has a dust boot bolted on the flange for a non power application.
Quote from: fc7cuda on July 23, 2020, 01:57:25 PM
So is it the conclusion of this thread that 1970 power drum brake E-bodies had the AANF master cylinder?
I've never seen any documentation or other data linking any of the 3 casting numbers of this style master cylinder to any specific model years or models. Other than some having a dust boot bolted to the flange on manual brake application ones, everything else seems the same on these regardless of model year or model.
This is what is stamped on mine. Let me know if it si what you want.