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WTB a 1970 drum brake master cylinder AANF marked.

Started by gaddied, July 09, 2020, 02:55:33 PM

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JH27N0B

Ones with 2225601 casting number have the date code stamped in the side, year space day.
Ones with AANF and 2660809 casting numbers have the datecode stamped in the castings nose.  I don't have a sample handy but if I recall the order was reversed, day space year.

gaddied

Quote from: 6bblgt on July 19, 2020, 08:01:39 PM
what is your source for this master cylinder ID info E VS. A, B, C, etc.?

got pics of the correct one?

1970 Parts Catalog shows:
  #3420961 a-body master cylinder with power & manual drum brakes
  #2808577 b, c, e-body master cylinder with power & manual drum brakes

does the a-body have a smaller bore diameter?
Here are some photos I found ,

6bblgt

my 1970 383 Challenger R/T is a power drum brake car - I thought I posted an ID a drum brake master cylinder thread, but can't find it
it has the original booster but the master cylinder has been changed

here's a thread with some ID info
https://forum.e-bodies.org/parts-wanted/25/wtb-70-challenger-original-drum-brake-master-cylinder-cap/17031/


6bblgt

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here's an AANF master cylinder I have (a manual DRUM BRAKE master cylinder) w/Chrysler Corp. numbered seal #2823994
anyone know the correct application?  is this a BENDIX piece?

     - it appears to be cast *275* (Tuesday 10/2/73)
     - it appears to be machined/assembled 2993 (Friday 10/26/73) not sure if that is an additional 1 at the end (shift/line #1) ?

"gaddied" has found info that states these "AANF" are '70 e-body only & the stamped date on the nose is 10,000 day calendar date formatted, this would change the date to:

     - it appears to be cast *275* (Thursday 10/2/69)
     - it appears to be machined/assembled 2993 (Tuesday 10/7/69) 1 at the end (shift/line #1) ?

gaddied

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Quote from: 6bblgt on July 21, 2020, 11:03:31 PM
here's an AANF master cylinder I have (a manual DRUM BRAKE master cylinder) w/Chrysler Corp. numbered seal #2823994
anyone know the correct application?  is this a BENDIX piece?

     - it appears to be cast *275* (Tuesday 10/2/73)
     - it appears to be machined/assembled 2993 (Friday 10/26/73) not sure if that is an additional 1 at the end (shift/line #1) ?
The AANF was for the 1970 E body only. The AANF M/C was not built in 1973 it was 1970 E body only. The First E body was built in the Summer of 1969.
Yours was cast on Oct, 2 1969 and assembled on Oct, 7 1969. Yes it is a Bendix assembled on the first shift.
Hope this answers your questions.

GoMangoBoys

Here is the one that I have marked AANF.

Cuda Cody



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6bblgt

Quote from: GoMangoBoys on July 23, 2020, 09:27:28 AM
Here is the one that I have marked AANF.

@GoMangoBoys can you see what date is stamped on the nose of that one?

gaddied



JH27N0B

I just looked some samples, an AANF was stamped 346(space)7 on the nose.  There also a "B" on the nose that looks to be a fresher stamp (this MC sample is a commercial rebuilt)
it has 317 casted on the top of the mounting flange.  Since this is a rebuilt that was sandblasted in the process, the last digit is not 100% legible but looks to be a 7.
I have 2 NOS ones with 2225601 casting numbers.  They have their datecodes stamped in the left side of their castings.  One is 6342H and has "254" casting date code cast in the bottom.  It also has "Bendix" cast in the bottom.
the second NOS one with the 2225601 casting number has a 7192 date code and "146" casting date code cast in the bottom.
The interesting thing I see on the 2 NOS ones is that their castings are E coded black.  I saw that a lot on Ford and GM master cylinders of that era made by Bendix, but Mopar disc brakes were painted black as an assembly and it's largely believed that the original 67-70 drum brake MCs were bare metal with plated caps.
Many of the NOS Mopar disc brake masters I've seen had "Made in Canada" stickers on them, a few stenciled, and a couple with mid 70s date codes were stamped made in Canada.
Bendix of course was based in South Bend Indiana and I think had manufacturing there too, but obviously they had a plant in Canada too. 
The date codes in the sometime in 69 and later disc brake MCs were stamped in the side and one digit for year space 3 digits for day. Before that, they had a tin tag on the bale wire with a 4 digit date code.
As I previously mentioned, I have no idea why the drum MCs have 3 different casting numbers.  I actually saw a reference in old analysis paperwork of an OE sample from back in the day of one they analyzed that had no casting number, in which case there were actually 4 different castings that were identical except for their part number or letters.
Barring talking to someone who worked at Bendix back in the day with a good memory or seeing their documentation, I don't think we will ever know for sure.  All I can theorize is that they needed so many for both new car production and for replacement parts, seeing how many different body styles used it, that they built at multiple plants, and used multiple casting houses, and maybe even subcontracted out some production to meet the volume?

6bblgt

@GoMangoBoys  & @JH27N0B   does it appear & is it of your opinion or fact that power drum brake boosters & master cylinders were painted black as a unit?

looks like there is black paint on "GoMangoBoys" AANF master cylinder - a stamped date to compare to a car's SPD would help confirm its originality

fc7cuda

So is it the conclusion of this thread that 1970 power drum brake E-bodies had the AANF master cylinder?

JH27N0B

I don't know on that issue.  If it was, the cap and cap retaining bracket/bolt would have been painted too.  I haven't seen any pictures of "survivors" that showed evidence of any paint on the cap, but that doesn't mean it didn't ever happen?
I've rarely seen survivors that have what appears the be the original master cylinder installed anyway, being cast iron filled with moisture attracting brake fluid, they rarely lasted more than 5 to 8 years before going bad and needing replacement.  Fortunately since the 80s most master cylinders have been made with aluminum castings so we take it for granted that the ones on our daily drivers will probably never need replacement as was the case on previous generations of cars!
The 2 NOS samples I have that have black castings are not painted, they are E coated.  And one has a dust boot bolted on the flange for a non power application.