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Technical Shop => Engine, Transmission & Rear End => Topic started by: Daveh on January 18, 2017, 04:46:30 PM

Title: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Daveh on January 18, 2017, 04:46:30 PM
Hi Guys,

I'm looking for a new aluminum intake for my shaker 1970 Challenger.  As some of you may have seen it's been painted the new Plum Crazy and looks great.  I've converted it from the original flat hood to a shaker.  I'm running a mildly modified 340.  It's my understanding that the 340 sits a little lower in the engine bay than the 440?  I'm using a new Edelbrock Thunder series carb.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-1806/overview/

I'm looking for an intake that will fit under the shaker and not be too tall.  I know a lot of you say use an original intake but I don't want to do that it's heavier and I would just like a new one.  Below is what I'm looking to get does anyone have any experience and know if these intakes will fit correctly? Lower is obviously better since I can use spacers.  Just looking for the right purchase the first time.  Thanks for all of your advise

Edelbrock Performer
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-2176

Ebelbrock Performer RPM
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-7176

Edelbrock Performer RPM Airgap
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-7576
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Cuda Cody on January 18, 2017, 04:54:48 PM
Welcome @Daveh (http://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72)    :welcome:  Great to see you here!  Hoping @Chryco Psycho (http://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4) will chime in here.  :fingerscrossed: 

Sorry I don't have any good suggestions, but maybe I could talk you in to posting a few photos of your Challenger?   :please:
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Daveh on January 18, 2017, 05:55:01 PM
Hi Cody,

I hope you are well.  I'm really surprised that there isn't more info on this topic. It's like crickets out there no one knows.  Maybe someone here will have an idea.

Here are some pics. 

Love the videos by the way.

Dave
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Cuda Cody on January 18, 2017, 06:04:52 PM
WOW!  That's looking really good!  Going to be a super sweet ride when you get it done!   :yes: 

Hoping Neil will know a little about the 340 shaker intakes.  I think the 340 Shaker is the most rare.  :notsure:  Lots of people do Hemi & 440 Shakers, but not many 340's?
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: fc7cuda on January 19, 2017, 05:41:22 AM
Wow, that's going to be a sweet ride when done.  Sorry, but I don't know the answer to your question but I know there are 2 different shaker base heights that may allow you more intake height.  The different isn't much, but could be just enough.  Good luck. :bradsthumb:

Tom
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Cuda Cody on January 19, 2017, 01:48:35 PM
This is a carb off a 71 340 Cuda.  It might give you some idea of the height needed to fit the carb.
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Daveh on January 19, 2017, 02:05:46 PM
Awesome thanks Cody.
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Chryco Psycho on January 20, 2017, 08:19:54 PM
Carb height will not change , Carter & Holley seemed to use the same std height as is used today as well .
I would measure a stock intake from the end rail to carb flange to get a baseline height & go from there , one of the best intakes for the 340 was the LD340 & this should be good height for the shaker   , the factory intake was also a very good intke but heavy but for a number of years it was reproduced in alum but has been replaed with the Eddy rpm through Mopar now which is taller , the air gap is much taller & is a no go .
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Cuda Cody on January 20, 2017, 08:49:37 PM
@Daveh (http://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72)   I was hoping Chryco Psycho would chime in.    :twothumbsup:
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: HP_Cuda on January 21, 2017, 12:16:07 AM

Do not go with the Mopar M1 intake as she is very tall.

She is beautiful but tall. heh
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Daveh on January 21, 2017, 06:17:02 AM
Hi Guys,

Thanks for the response.  As I said I would use the LD34 in a heartbeat but the PO removed the center plenum.  Changing it from a dual plane to a single plane.  I was worried that would change the performance band from the low end and go to the top end on mildly build 340.  What are your opinions on that?  If you say I won't notice a difference then I won't make the change.  Take at the look at the pics above of the LD340.  Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Daveh on January 21, 2017, 06:58:10 AM
Sorry they weren't in this post here they are. 
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Cuda Cody on January 21, 2017, 08:45:45 AM
If it's already installed on the engine, then run it and see how you like it.  It's a really good intake and you might love the way it works.  Plus that gives you a starting point to test your shaker set up and hood.  If it doesn't fit or you don't like the intake, you'll have a good starting point.   :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Daveh on January 21, 2017, 05:39:24 PM
No it's not installed yet.  I'm not going to install it until after the engine is in the car.  Makes no sense to install it out of the car only to have to remove it if it's the wrong height.  This way I can test fit it a little better. 
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Cudakiller70 on January 21, 2017, 05:59:01 PM
Why not weld or JB weld a new divider? :notsure:
I wouldn't fully weld just tack weld and then seal.
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: HP_Cuda on January 22, 2017, 10:33:29 AM
I'd say just run it as the plenum is still divided alas not like before. In this config it still will not operate like a single plane.

You got nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Daveh on January 24, 2017, 06:00:43 AM
I've never used JB Weld.  If I used it to put the plate in would the fuel overtime eat away at it?  I would hate for it to end up in the cylinders.  My welder doesn't weld aluminum.  Is there other products out there that would be better in this situation?  Thanks
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Cuda Cody on January 24, 2017, 07:22:07 AM
I wouldn't discount JB weld.  Nothing is better then doing the job right with a welder, but my good friend (when he was a kid) had his first car take out a lobe on his cam and he used JB weld to build it back up.  Not kidding, he was young, in the service and had no money.  At the service base "hobby shop" he did the repair.  He had to get his Mustang running so he used JB weld on his CAM until he could save up to buy a new cam.  Ran okay and was working.  His plan was to get a new cam when he could afford it, but ended up selling the car a few months later.  He said he saw is Mustang about a year later at a gas station.  He went over to the new owner and started talking to him.  The guy bought it off the guy he sold it to (the guy did a quick flip).  The flipper didn't tell the guy the cam was repaired with JB Weld and needed to be replaced.  The JB weld cam was still in the engine!!!!! 

Quote from: Daveh on January 24, 2017, 06:00:43 AM
I've never used JB Weld.  If I used it to put the plate in would the fuel overtime eat away at it?  I would hate for it to end up in the cylinders.  My welder doesn't weld aluminum.  Is there other products out there that would be better in this situation?  Thanks
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: headejm on January 24, 2017, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: Daveh on January 18, 2017, 05:55:01 PM
Hi Cody,

I hope you are well.  I'm really surprised that there isn't more info on this topic. It's like crickets out there no one knows.  Maybe someone here will have an idea.

Here are some pics. 

Love the videos by the way.

Dave

@Daveh (http://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72) @Cuda Cody (http://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1) I love the richness of the new purple on your Challenger. Do you happen to have spray-out cards of it vs. FC7? I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison if possible.  :thankyou:
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Cuda Cody on January 24, 2017, 02:47:36 PM
I don't have any FC7 spray outs right now, but I'm planning to do some next year.  I'll try to remember to do some extras in case anyone wants them.   :handshake:
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Daveh on January 24, 2017, 05:52:07 PM
Sorry Cody I didn't make any roll outs of the paint. 
Title: Re: Looking For A New Intake For My Shaker Challenger
Post by: Chryco Psycho on January 24, 2017, 05:59:27 PM
 :iagree: make a divider but it may work very well without it also , You already have it so try it out first