This question is directed at Cuda Cody primarily...
I need pics and/or information about the A01 option code showing where all the accessories attach or plug into the dash. The long light going to the drivers side from the time delay relay section is a mystery....Also the required diode.
Thanks
Kent G.
This has some A01 light info...
http://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?topic=177.0
And here's some specs on the Diode (see photos)
The long wire going to the drivers side should be to a light that mounts to / over the gauge cluster (giving you 5 lights instead of the normal 4). I'll go see if I can take a photo of it for you....
excellent on the diode!! I can make this. Now about that long lead light coming from the time delay relay connector? Got any pics or info on that?
KG
One more of the diode...
This is the A01 light package on the Rallye light bar...
And thank you for joining us Kent! Let us know if there's any other questions you have. Also, please share some photos of your Challenger!!! :please: Would love to see what you're working on. :yes:
yes that is the switch flood lamp...got that... There is another long lead with light that is a mystery
KG
Post a photo of the wire.... When you say flood lamp, you mean the light on the end of the rallye bar? Not the map light.
Cody...Sent a pic of the wiring diagram to your email
KG
Here's the photo you sent me. I think the labeling on it is what is confusing you. I'll post some more photos...
I think the words "title" are what is confusing. Does this layout help? The Switch Title lamp goes above the Switch plate in the light bar. (click the photos to enlarge them)
Some photos I had from someone sharing them online at some point. I think they are of a 71+ A01 light wiring. Maybe they help?
There's also a light here:
In 1971 the A01 light package changed the Steering Column connector and light in the column. This is a 71+
Is it possible the "what is this light" circled in red is part of the SE / Gran Couple over head console package?
I think it is the ash tray light.
nope...keep looking. Those are a different circuit
by the way...if anyone has the circuit diagram for the seat belt warning light/system...let me know.
The overhead console seatbelt circuit is the G10-18Y on that A01 diagram...The seatbelt warning light times out{from the time delay relay} after the door is closed along with the other connected circuits{title lamps and ignition illumination}....Ash tray and glove box would be coming off the X1A-18P circuit at the relay...It's been a while I'm still looking myself....So how long is this yellow wire in question ???
Does this help?
the mystery yellow wire with light stretches from the map light switch area to the far drivers side
In 1970 wouldn't that be part of the Overhead Console?
Quote from: kent_goins on February 14, 2017, 03:57:40 PM
by the way...if anyone has the circuit diagram for the seat belt warning light/system...let me know.
I do think it is the console light possibly. But when you say overhead console...I think of the SE model. What is the overhead console? It also appears in your latest wiring diagram that it is the floor console illumination. I need pictures of the actual car with this light shown and its location
Kent, do you have an overhead console ???? What about deluxe seatbelts ??? There was a dash mounted seatbelt light for the deluxe seatbelts that would also be on the time delay circuit...{this pic shows a reverse light for a manual trans and the deluxe seatbelt warning light} Keep in mind that A01 diagram probably covers all options and some vehicles won't have EVERY lead depending on how the car was optioned...That's why you're not finding them in the FSM... How about a pic of the wire and light socket assembly in question ???
yes I have both these light just as shown. the car is not an SE and thus does not have the overhead console. We did not have deluxe seatbelts with the car although it may have had them originally. Seat belts are also a mystery. If I have this seat belt light...then I guess I need to find some deluxe seat belts :(
The console light is my main concern. Where that crazy light is supposed to go.
Console light is for Floor Shift Auto's only. Do you have a 4 speed? Then you would not have that Console light. It's long orange wire with a bulb socket on the end and a bullet plug on the other end.
Quote from: kent_goins on February 14, 2017, 04:30:27 PM
The console light is my main concern. Where that crazy light is supposed to go.
A photo of the wire in question would help. :twothumbsup:
I have an SE that is apart. I can check the wiring in the morning. When I used to drive the car the low fuel warning light would come on and off when fuel was low. Maybe it is on the time delay so it doesn't burn out the lens. My seatbelt warning light stayed on and burnt the lens.
My dash with that crazy yellow wire and light coming from the time delay relay location which is buried under the loom but you can see where it plugs into the strange connector. it is the single long yellow wire with light.
KG
Quote from: kent_goins on February 14, 2017, 04:46:31 PM
My dash with that crazy yellow wire and light coming from the time delay relay location which is buried under the loom but you can see where it plugs into the strange connector. it is the single long yellow wire with light.
KG
Goes on the left of the dash light bar, shines on the switches, wipers, headlights, dimmer, etc. :alan2cents:
I don't know which wire you mean. If you can circle it, I'll run by my shop and see if I can figure it out.
That was my first suggestion too. But he didn't think that was it.
@kent_goins (http://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=216) can you take a photo of the bulb end? That will help us help you. :bigthumb:
Quote from: roadman on February 14, 2017, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: kent_goins on February 14, 2017, 04:46:31 PM
My dash with that crazy yellow wire and light coming from the time delay relay location which is buried under the loom but you can see where it plugs into the strange connector. it is the single long yellow wire with light.
KG
Goes on the left of the dash light bar, shines on the switches, wipers, headlights, dimmer, etc. :alan2cents:
it is the long yellow wire laying on the table with the little bulb in the end and it is not the light that shines on the switches from above. I already have that installed and know where it hooks in
Went to the shop and found a raccoon in there. I'll have to wait until morning when I can do some pest control.
don't let the raccoon eat any wires...if he does, I may have an extra long yellow one you can have:)
The socket looks like the reverse warning light socket. Maybe it is for the deluxe seat belt warning light as was previously mentioned.
If we can see how it attaches it might be easier to figure out where it goes. Take a photo of both ends of it and I might be able to line it up with one of the wires on a car.
This is an original A01 light package dash from a 1970 Challenger that was parted out.
excellent photos....in the photo of the odd connector (* IMG_20170214_172454035.jpg) where do the two yellow wires go?. They are both lights and I think one is the ignition key light. Are you saying the other in this case is the overhead console door ajar light?
Here's where they go.... But I'st a new photo is a second. I think we've had the answer right in front of us the whole time.
Spoke with Kent on the phone and looks like it's the Seat Belt light for the dash. He's working with a later year harness so that's why it's not the one that goes up to the overhead Console.
He has the Seat Belt light on the dash frame by the Reverse light. Does anyone know what year that started?
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 14, 2017, 07:13:19 PM
He has the Seat Belt light on the dash frame by the Reverse light. Does anyone know what year that started?
1970, Part of the C15 package :alan2cents:
Anyone know how many C15 cars there were in 1970? Thank you Alan for sharing that. I completely forgot about those seat belts. Nice job :clapping:
I didn't have time to read this whole thread yet, but wanted to mention that the A01 package can be different depending on what other options the car is equipped with.
The fender mounted turn signals and map light can change, and also the ignition lamp is different for 70 than it is for later years.
Maybe what you are looking for.
Dvae
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 14, 2017, 08:02:35 PM
Anyone know how many C15 cars there were in 1970? Thank you Alan for sharing that. I completely forgot about those seat belts. Nice job :clapping:
According to Galen Govier there were 368 Cudas and 30 Cuda convertilbles produced with C15.
To anlauto:
So....did the 1970 RT Challenger have C15 option with the seat belt light next to the reverse light on the dash? The two chrome plated bezels in the middle of the dash panel.
KG
Screamindriver posted a pic on page 2 of the lights.
yes...just wasn't sure if that was a 70 car showing the light bezels:)
thanks alan for the information....this board rocks :)
I'll add this for future readers in this thread so the info is at hand and is easier to understand since this thread has gone off in this direction ..
1970 C15 without the SE or gran coupe gets the dash frame mounted light... SE or gran coupe {with the overhead console} would NOT get the dash light even coded for C15... With the C15 package there's also a set of seat belt brackets/receivers to secure the loose belts... I've included pics of the dash with and without manual trans as well as the front and rear mounted deluxe seat belt brackets so if you're going after the C15 option you'll know what you need...
Don't forget the seat belt warning light was moved from the dash frame to the instrument cluster after 71{on the right side}...But the light was now a mandatory fixture in all vehicles at that point...I'll add a pic of a 72-74 rallye dash with the seat belt warning light for reference...
I second Cudy Cody....awesome contribution :)
just one more thing...I heard 70 challenger dashes were different regarding the emblem. Do you have a pic of a 70 challenger dash emblem? Just trying to verify my build. The car saw some strange stuff in its day with accidents and parts being swapped out for other years. Trying to put the puzzle together as I go.
Additionally, I spoke with Cody about build sheets and there is a mystery of what happened to all those late 60's and 70's build sheets. Chrysler told me they had a fire in the warehouse that destroyed all of them...Cody aint so sure that's a fact. I would sure love to track down a build sheet for this car or a copy. Anybody want to chime in on that? I would be willing to go the extra mile to pay a air ticket and rifle through boxes to find my golden buildsheet ticket.
KG
sorry Cody...I type too fast...CUDA CODY.
1970 Dashes = Script
1971-1974 = Box with Text
sweet Cody...thanks
TO ALL who are listening....
I would like a couple of C15 deluxe seat belts for the front seats if anyone has them
KG
Quote from: kent_goins on February 16, 2017, 03:19:40 PM
just one more thing...I heard 70 challenger dashes were different regarding the emblem. Do you have a pic of a 70 challenger dash emblem? Just trying to verify my build. The car saw some strange stuff in its day with accidents and parts being swapped out for other years. Trying to put the puzzle together as I go.
Additionally, I spoke with Cody about build sheets and there is a mystery of what happened to all those late 60's and 70's build sheets. Chrysler told me they had a fire in the warehouse that destroyed all of them...Cody aint so sure that's a fact. I would sure love to track down a build sheet for this car or a copy. Anybody want to chime in on that? I would be willing to go the extra mile to pay a air ticket and rifle through boxes to find my golden buildsheet ticket.
KG
The 70 challenger{and barracuda} had an inlaid,chrome highlighted, plastic script in the dash pad...Later years have a metal insert with the name imprinted on it....Here's a pic of a low mileage 70 challenger dash with the chrome script...And a pic of the later year metal insert...
I too heard about a fire that destroyed certain year records....Oddly enough some of the mid sixties data is still there but the musclecar years seem to be missing...Combine that with the near bankruptcy of the 80s where some critical tooling was sold off/scrapped and our chances of having the factory support like the fords and chevys went down the tubes... EDIT: Cody you beat me to it !! I had to go through too many files to find the pics... :bigthumb:
thanks screamindriver...you have been a great help!
My pleasure glad to help... :bigthumb:
Off the top of my head, C15 is 1970 only, so you shouldn't see it in 1971 cars.
For this reason, the manual transmission reverse light on the dash is located differently between 70 and 71.
70 was positioned so that both lights could be mounted.
71 was a little more centered since it didn't need space for the other light.
Now if I could just find those old pics with measurements for each year...
Tav you're correct C15 was 70 only{belts changed in 71}Thanks,I've corrected it..... I edited my initial reply and some info was omitted/pieced together for the 70-71 reply section to what it was... I went back and corrected it...The C15 info is in a 1970 folder... I should have a pic for the 71 placement of the rev. light let me know if you want me to pull it up.. I'll post the 70 reverse light location since my 1970 folder is handy...
Awesome, thanks for correcting and posting this pic!
Always great to have good info!
:)
I have two original 4 speed dashes that I know to be original, one is a 70 the other a 71 in my shop right now.
Are you saying, if I go measure the reverse lights they'll be in different locations ? :huh:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 16, 2017, 03:31:06 PM
1970 Dashes = Script
1971-1974 = Box with Text
Alot of the factory replacement pads had NO script or text. They were plain generic for either model and just the same vinyl material covering this spot. i don't have a pic handy, but you do see them from time to time. A buddy of mine has one, NOS for an a/c car.
Tom
Quote from: anlauto on February 17, 2017, 04:01:02 AM
I have two original 4 speed dashes that I know to be original, one is a 70 the other a 71 in my shop right now.
Are you saying, if I go measure the reverse lights they'll be in different locations ? :huh:
Please measure them and let us know what the difference is. My 71 was in the same place as my 70. Although I was not the original owner and I know the car had been apart. Anything can be changed over the years.
Quote from: anlauto on February 17, 2017, 04:01:02 AM
I have two original 4 speed dashes that I know to be original, one is a 70 the other a 71 in my shop right now.
Are you saying, if I go measure the reverse lights they'll be in different locations ? :huh:
Unless there's a weird production line error, or maybe something like early build 71 getting a 1970 version due to confusion about the change, then Yes they should be different.
If you're sure they're original, measure them and let us know.
In 1970, all reverse lights were installed in the same location, and this location left room for the seat belt light as shown in the pics earlier in this thread.
In 1971, there was no dash mounted seat belt light, and the reverse light was moved closer to center of that panel.
If I remember correctly, the firewall grommet size for the reverse light also changed from 70 to 71.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 16, 2017, 03:31:06 PM
1970 Dashes = Script
1971-1974 = Box with Text
On the 1970 dash, what do you use to "re-chrome" the Challenger script? On my dash, the script is dark.
I think Just Dashes offers them in black as standard and up sales for the Chrome? But to get them back to Chrome you might have to work with some craft store silver / chrome pens? :notsure:
Quote from: headejm on February 17, 2017, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 16, 2017, 03:31:06 PM
1970 Dashes = Script
1971-1974 = Box with Text
On the 1970 dash, what do you use to "re-chrome" the Challenger script? On my dash, the script is dark.
Yes, the just dashes standard script is black...I did'nt know about the chrome upcharge would anyone really want the black script ??? You're right Cody I don't see much of an alternative for touch-ups other than a paint pen...The factory chrome script was'nt too durable to begin with especially with a high traffic area like the dash pad....IIRC the ultimate ride's dash script is chrome on their offering...
Alan and Challenger6pak it does appear some 71s had the reverse light placement in the 70 location I've seen a few myself...I'm betting it's another assembly line change over that took a while for the workers to catch on with the early builds...You know mopars...Never say never when you think you've got it nailed down somebody posts a contradiction/anomaly....
EDIT:Confusing ??? I know I was...I need to slow down and type what I'm trying to say I've been getting too many typos the whole way through this thread...It's been a rough week at work guys sorry....
I think most of the original chromed plastic items are actually vacumized aluminum.
http://www.muellercorp.com/metalizing-process.php
I'm not sure about the dash emblem though, since the finish seems to be only on the face and not on the sides, it may have been created with another method.
Quote from: screamindriver on February 16, 2017, 08:22:29 PM
I should have a pic for the 71 placement of the rev. light let me know if you want me to pull it up..
Sure, that might be handy since people are curious. :)
At the beginning of the thread you talk about the "title lamp" (the one on the far left of the light bar)
When does this lamp supposed to light up?
There was no bulb there in my car, i ve just put a new one and the lamp always lighting up... :thinking:
My Challenger script name emblem on passenger side of the dash pad was always black plastic. This of course is on my '70 Challengers dash pad. So since it came this way, I'll just keep it that way. My Dodge also came with a dash mounted seat belt light, that's in the area between the glove box door and ash receiver door. Just the seat belt light not the reverse light as shown. Thanks, Al
Quote from: Husk Challenger on November 15, 2017, 06:28:25 AM
At the beginning of the thread you talk about the "title lamp" (the one on the far left of the light bar)
When does this lamp supposed to light up?
There was no bulb there in my car, i ve just put a new one and the lamp always lighting up... :thinking:
It is powered by the timer relay... Try unplugging the relay to see if it gos out.... It should go on when ever a door is opened & stay on after the door is closed for 30-45 seconds
The relays are still available, use to be a $5 part but now they seem to sell for $40 or more...
Thanks for the answer, i ll try it!
Maybe it works fine , i am not sure i waited for that time! :thinking:
EDIT: After more than 1 minute the bulb is still ligthing up! So timer relay is probably dead..... :dunno:
Not sure here Dan (6bblgt), when I originally purchased the car, it did have 40K miles on it. And the Challenger emblem on pass. side dash pad was black in a burnt orange interior. No evidence of any chrome finish at all. When I changed out the burnt orange for a black interior, the OEM 3-speaker, non-a/c pad also had a black only "Challenger" emblem on the pass. side. Oh! By the way when the interior was burnt orange the seat belts and steering column were black. Thanks, Al
Steering column & seat belts are supposed to be black when equipped with a standard dash... Rally cluster gets painted column & colored belts....
The original dash Challenger emblem was chrome, but the process used wasn't very durable at all, wiping it with windex would remove it completely...
Quote from: kent_goins on February 14, 2017, 10:33:43 AM
yes that is the switch flood lamp...got that... There is another long lead with light that is a mystery
KG
what is this blue light for? and when does it light up?
Where and how does the "map light" and it's on/off switch with the A01 group mount? Any pics of one installed would be greatly appreciated.
I've been transferring some of the old specialized accessory wires over a new M&H dash wiring harness and came across this light bulb socket and switch connection. According the wiring diagrams, this is for the map light and switch. I don't recall removing the components when I took the dash apart, so it appears these may have been part of the optional light package that wasn't installed. This car originally had an automatic tranny with a console.
I found a map switch bezel and a switch on eBay - about $200 combined for both. Ouch!
Quote from: Dakota on July 01, 2018, 12:02:30 PM
Where and how does the "map light" and it's on/off switch with the A01 group mount? Any pics of one installed would be greatly appreciated.
I've been transferring some of the old specialized accessory wires over a new M&H dash wiring harness and came across this light bulb socket and switch connection. According the wiring diagrams, this is for the map light and switch. I don't recall removing the components when I took the dash apart, so it appears these may have been part of the optional light package that wasn't installed. This car originally had an automatic tranny with a console.
I found a map switch bezel and a switch on eBay - about $200 combined for both. Ouch!
A/C or non A/C? Non A/C mounts to the lower dash frame & A/C mounts to the plastic trim that hides the evaporator box....
Yes to a/c. Thanks Wild. Hopefully there's a picture floating around somewhere.
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Thanks (again and again) for the help Wild. The pictures are a tremendous help.
No problem.... :drinkingbud:
Thanks guys. Using the pictures you supplied, I found the mounting location on the dash frame for the map light. Much obliged!
Just posting some additional pictures of some of the A01 option components.
The unused location on the "time delay ground" would be used to feed an overhead console if needed. I'll be making a replacement diode piece shortly following the guidance on page 1 of this thread.
Several of the wires for the instrument panel lights and A01 lights had breaks in the insulation which led to signs of charring/melting. I'll be replacing these wires shortly as they are not included in the replacement M&H instrument cluster harness.
Good work: I enjoy doing work like that and it really adds to the quality of the resto, let alone the safety aspect of it.
I have a standard gauge cluster. So it looks like the mounting points for the light are different depending on the cluster type??
Quote from: Dakota on July 02, 2018, 05:09:46 AM
Several of the wires for the instrument panel lights and A01 lights had breaks in the insulation which led to signs of charring/melting. I'll be replacing these wires shortly as they are not included in the replacement M&H instrument cluster harness.
If you contact M&H directly, there's a decent chance that they can make the extra harness parts you need.
They don't regularly offer reproductions of everything due to a limited supply of some of the required parts for making these sub harnesses.
They probably already have the blueprints required for making these harnesses, but if they don't, you can send them your original and they will reverse engineer it to create a set of blueprints for future reference.
Years ago, I sent them an E body cruise control wiring harness so they could make blueprints, and they supplied me with a reproduction E body cruise control harness.
Quote from: cataclysm80 on July 03, 2018, 11:51:58 PM
Years ago, I sent them an E body cruise control wiring harness so they could make blueprints, and they supplied me with a reproduction E body cruise control harness.
Tav, Not to take this thread off topic, but last week I contacted M&H about making an E body cruise control harness...They claimed there's no pattern for the harness and wanted my original harness{es} in order to make a set... :dunno:
Quote from: screamindriver on July 04, 2018, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: cataclysm80 on July 03, 2018, 11:51:58 PM
Years ago, I sent them an E body cruise control wiring harness so they could make blueprints, and they supplied me with a reproduction E body cruise control harness.
Tav, Not to take this thread off topic, but last week I contacted M&H about making an E body cruise control harness...They claimed there's no pattern for the harness and wanted my original harness{es} in order to make a set... :dunno:
Yea I would have bought these too....I'm on my second E Body with cruise now :pullinghair:
Is anyone doing restorations on the cruise control servo?
I'm not aware of anyone restoring the servo...Are those yours Randy ??? I didn't know you had those...I just bought an NOS servo for this project...The NOS unit I bought doesn't have the "MANIFOLD" script stamped on the cover I may need to use the old one or stamp it...
It's mine, I've had a few N88 cars & currently I have cruise on my vert, it's not coded for it but I like it & I had parts that are close enough that you'd need to be very knowledgable to tell... And since I drive it I really done care if it's "correct"... I picked up a complete NOS dealer install kit on Ebay back around 2000 for $25..... Not really that long ago but parts were still a lot more reasonable...
Quote from: cataclysm80 on July 03, 2018, 11:51:58 PM
If you contact M&H directly, there's a decent chance that they can make the extra harness parts you need.
They don't regularly offer reproductions of everything due to a limited supply of some of the required parts for making these sub harnesses.
They probably already have the blueprints required for making these harnesses, but if they don't, you can send them your original and they will reverse engineer it to create a set of blueprints for future reference.
Darrin from M&H responded to an email I sent, which led to a phone conversation with him. Darrin looked up the bullet connectors on one of their drawings. He told me that the connectors are typically injection molded when the harnesses are assembled, but they are not available as a "pigtail" for purchase from them. He looked up the size of the connector (0.180") and then helped me locate a couple of sources on the internet (local AutoZone only carries 0.157") I have to say that I was really impressed by how helpful he was between the email and during the 20 minute phone conversation.
I tried to splice in the old connectors to new wires, but found that some of the old remaining wire was damaged from being overloaded so I ended up buying new bullet connectors too. Uninsulated 0.180" connectors were relatively easy to find on eBay. I ended up buying a box of 50 from Casey Electric Supply for just under $10 total (including shipping). Two layers of heat shrink were applied to the ends of the new connectors after they were crimped and soldered.
On a 70 Charger AO1 option with the headlight delay. Does anyone have a picture of the dash so I can see were the decal goes.
Asked on the B-Body sight but no one seemed to know.
Quote from: Gary on July 30, 2018, 10:35:24 AM
On a 70 Charger AO1 option with the headlight delay. Does anyone have a picture of the dash so I can see were the decal goes.
Asked on the B-Body sight but no one seemed to know.
ECS (www.ecsautomotive.com) sells the sticker for the headlight. This is the location information that's included in their part description: "This decal is located above the headlight switch on the front face of the instrument panel." I saw a picture on this site of one of these stickers installed but couldn't find it.
Here's one... I can get a better pic if you need one... EDIT: I see you asked for charger not challenger..sorry
Thanks guys, Tom at ECS didn't know. I got a response on the Charger registry site saying Chargers didn't have the decal. :dunno: It seems odd that they would put them on E bodies but not on B bodies, at least not on Chargers.
Hi everyone,
I am newly registered to the forum but I am a long time reader here.
Have been active on FEBO since I bought a 70' Challenger (R/T, 383, 4-spd, go mango, stripe and vinyl deleted) and shipped it to Germany where I life.
From the fender tag the car came with the A01 light package but at some point in its life it was parted out or badly restored idk...
Anyway - some of the factory options have been removed like the A63 SE trim option, the 8-track radio and a few other ones.
I managed to get hands on a very good SE tail light panel but I am still looking for the fasteners and a SE valance trim.
The dash harness is still the original one but some wires are cut or gone.
I would really love to get the factory options back like the A01 package and already bought the switch panel light, the AC controls light, ignition light and ordered the 2889565 delay relay.
What's missing right now is the diode and the A01 harness peace which has been cut at the pink wire.
So I am looking for a map light harness and a (new, complete) diode to buy here.
I haven't checked if my glove box light is missing, but my reverse indicator is - so I am interested in those two parts too.
It seems the previous owner disliked all the lights in that car...
Hi Cody,
you are right - I could make my own one of course.
But I cant get hands on one of these correct connectors here in Germany that easy.
I thought if there is someone like @sreamingdriver who can make a very good and clean looking diode I would buy it.
Shipped in a small polstered letter it should not be expensive at all.
The other way would be try looking for all those connectors I need and make my own diode and lamp harness.
But I would also be dependent on you guys here.
is there anyone that sells the A01 kit? I would like to put it to my 70Rt before I put the dash back in:)
thanks I got the titel glovebox and trunk lights from him . great guy to deal with :) happy new Year to all!!