Good to see GM saving some money by putting the Pontiac Aztec Designers back to work.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/the-2020-chevrolet-silverado-hd-shows-its-face
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Between the "Styling" & the fact GM is moving operations out of the US after taking bailout money from US hopefully GM loses lots of sales....
This feels accurate
HAHA Cody that's a great way to put it! Looks horrible, with the backlash on Facebook I can't see GM actually going thru with this? They better head back to the drawing board really quick! I laughed when they compared it to the Griswold car !
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It's a chebby thru and thru.
Doesn't matter to me..... Bought my last GM product almost 30-years ago......
Their last pickups have been pretty nice looking on the outside, not so good on the inside. I don't know how they stay in biz actually, Corvair, Vega, car engine diesel, Avalanche, Aztec. Etc. Etc.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on December 05, 2018, 05:47:16 PM
Their last pickups have been pretty nice looking on the outside, not so good on the inside. I don't know how they stay in biz actually, Corvair, Vega, car engine diesel, Avalanche, Aztec. Etc. Etc.
Not to mention the camaro. I met so many GM guys that went over to Mopar when Chrysler came out with the Challenger in 2008.
IMO It is perfect ... Gov Motors will need another bailout
I have only ever owned 2 GMs out of over 100 vehicles , my First & my Last both were total junk , sold the last one in 91 , actually virtually paid someone to take it off my hands , no one wanted it either :thumbdown:
:barf: :barf: :barf: :console: To the bowtie folk's
Nobody can think that ugly ! Can they ? :dunno:
A face only a mother could love...horrific.
Sold my last Chevy in 05 and never looked back......now they are even uglier in the rear view mirror.
Not for me...the uglier they get, the more people will switch to RAMS :twothumbsup:
The sad part is, that somewhere, there's a whole committee of guys who've put their John Henry on this "design?" and they're running the show. :looney:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on December 05, 2018, 03:41:37 PM
Good to see GM saving some money by putting the Pontiac Aztec Designers back to work.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/the-2020-chevrolet-silverado-hd-shows-its-face
:haha: Now that is funny!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I'd take the Edsel horse collar before that 2020 Chevy.
So this time when Fiat and GM go down I wonder if China and Mexico will bail out their executives and pay their large bonuses.
I think they took their cues from the Ford Super Duty trucks that have to advertise on all four sides that it is a Super Duty. If I was every inclined to buy a Ford Truck that one fact would stop me from doing so and now it looks like Chevy is following their lead with that butt ugly grille. :barf: I just paid off my 2011 3500 Silverado with a Duramax and as much as I like the way it performs and pulls my 5th wheel trailer it will probably be the last Chevy I ever buy. But then again, if Dodge doesn't do something to improve the joke they call "limited slip" rear end, I'll never buy one of their trucks again either. Guess I'll just drive the wheels off my 2011.
The 2020 mid-engine Corvette Manta Ray twin turbo charged has been getting a lot of exposure on the internet this weekend. I'm truly excited about it . Production begins September 2019. If GM can keep the price under $125K it may become the 8th Corvette I've owned. Word is it will range in price from $120K to $170K. I worked for GM 23 years as a wholesale fleet manager and should be able to get invoice pricing with the managers I know. It will be like when the 1988 Silverado was introduced....take a number if you can wait.
Put a state of Texas badge on it somewhere and Texans will love it regardless! [I am not a "Texan", I just live here :)]
Has got to be one of the UGLIEST things I have ever seen.
JS27
I am not a huge fan of the `19 Ram front end but that Chevy is just HORRID! I think usraptor is correct in that they were trying to compete with the "big tough" Ford look but they failed miserably, and I`m not a fan of most of the Ford Super Duty front ends either.
Match that front end with the side profile and they have a winner. :bricks: :barf:
I'm a Designer by trade and that front end is a total mess. None of the lines meet up, it's over designed, unrefined garbage. And it's no wonder the American car industry is in such trouble with products like that.
I was chatting to the Design Director at Aston Martin, a neighbour in my village and he thinks car design is at an all time low at the moment. He said some manufacturers are trying to make their cars stand out, irrespective of whether they look nice and they've run out of ideas.
That is the ugliest truck frontend I've ever seen. :rubeyes: :barf:
UGLY !! UGLY UGLY !!
And I'm a chevy truck guy. They are better in the snow than dodge or ford.
Side profile looks good. Front face...man, what happened? Their current trucks look pretty good as-is.
Side note and request for advice--
I got a good bonus this year (finally). I'd like to retire my 2003 Jeep Liberty after 11 years of ownership. It's going for sale this spring. I've driven it ever since grad school and love the vehicle. But it's time for something newer.
I've already decided that a 2014+ Dodge Ram 1500 4x4, standard cab (I don't have a family and don't need more doors/backseats) will probably be a nice fit after spending 16+ years of driving "compact" SUVs/Trucks as someone who is 6'4". I only drive 4,000-6,000 miles a year, tops. Snows here 2 months out of the year, and I enjoy going mountain biking and snowboarding. I'd like to have a full-size vehicle for once. Maybe take it on a road trip for the first year. I miss my old Ford Ranger...there's something really fun about a truck, and I'm craving it. I hate going to lowes, and then having to slide 15 2x4s over my leather seats in my Liberty. I need the utility back .
Talk me out of a 2014+ Ram 1500 5.7L. Seems like I could land a 2014, standard cab, 50,000 miles, and "decent" creature features for $20,000 even.
You'll love it. Get the 8 speed transmission is all the advice I will give you.
Cool!
The problem is that it seems like standard cabs are about 10% of the total volume. So finding one used isn't the easiest thing in the world. And it seems in 2014 that the 8-speed is an option, not a standard item. So that brings the chances of finding something down even further. Is the 6-speed a terrible thing?
The reason I'm stuck on 2014+ is because in 2014 the gas mileage bumped slightly. 15/21 is the posted spec. I'm OK with that, just don't want to go any lower. Maybe people would barf seeing 15 in the city, but I'm actually oK with that. 21 on the highway is a huge improvement from what I have now, and that's where to me it matters most.
My Jeep is 14/17.5 at best.
Quote from: cuda hunter on December 12, 2018, 05:07:17 PM
They are better in the snow than dodge or ford.
I've pulled a fair number of chevy's out of the ditch. Pretty sure it's more the skill of the driver and quality of the tires that make it good in the snow, not the brand of truck. :alan2cents:
When I bought my 15 my salesman asked me if I wanted the 8 speed and I said no. I couldn't see why 6 wasn't enough however I quickly found out the lowend torque wasn't there like the old Magnums. That 15 was so disappointing I ended up getting rid of it for my 18 with the 8 speed. The MPG didn't even figure into it.
Quote from: dodj on December 12, 2018, 06:28:55 PM
Quote from: cuda hunter on December 12, 2018, 05:07:17 PM
They are better in the snow than dodge or ford.
I've pulled a fair number of chevy's out of the ditch. Pretty sure it's more the skill of the driver and quality of the tires that make it good in the snow, not the brand of truck. :alan2cents:
I don't want to start a Chevy vs Dodge or Ford war here but I need to explain an experience I had with my Dodge Ram truck. I can't speak for the new Dodges but the '07 had extremely poor traction even with winter snow tires. When I bought my truck I made sure that it had positraction or whatever Dodge calls there's because one I live in snow county and two at the time I frequently towed a toy hauler with two full size ATVs inside and often camped off the highway on dirt roads. I actually took it to back to the dealer to complain that the posi didn't work because when driving up my fairly steep driveway when it had snow on it only one rear wheel engaged and I had to engage 4 wheel drive to get up the driveway. Ditto when pulling the loaded trailer on dirt roads. The dealer jacked up the rear end and when we put the trans in gear only one rear wheel spun. They then took a brand new truck off the lot that had posi and did the same test with the same results, only one rear wheel spun when the rear end was jacked up off the ground. The service manager even said that was jacked up and called the corporate office and was informed that due to the design/type of "posi unit" they used to activate the "posi" you had to apply braking pressure either via the parking brake or foot pedal. We tried that and it worked to some degree. So to activate the posi I had to almost fully depress the the parking brake and smoke my brake pads to get the posi to engage. Corporate confirmed that with the "new" design this is correct and that there was nothing wrong with my truck or anything to fix and that this procedure was mentioned in the Owner's manual which we then found in a very brief sentence. Stupidest design ever. Hopefully they've changed this on the new trucks but living in snow country 5 months out of the year I'll never buy another Dodge truck until they can jack it in off the ground and both rear tires spin without having to first apply the brakes. My Chevy posi works like it's supposed to and has never left me stuck or in a ditch. It has nothing to do with the "skill" of the driver or tires in this case but an stupid design used by Dodge, at least in 2007. Other than this issue I really liked the truck, especially the Cummins Diesel.
I agree , that is a retarded sure grip design .
is there an aftermarket sure grip available for that diff ?
There should be but that is a stupid design. My 05 was normal, I tried it out lots.
My 06 ram 2500 cummins has been helpless in 2wd since new, I have never seen it spin posi, take any tight turn on anything other than dry road and your spinning. I just thought I ordered the anti-spin diff but never got it. As for the 2020 Chevy, I'm not really digging it either, just too much going on upfront in my opinion.
Not defending American's design but probably their logic is to prevent low performance drivers from going sideways with a proper suregrip at speed. You have to have a light pedal foot driving a Cummins in slippery conditions especially on the highway.
Or have practice drifting driving on ice more than 1/2 the year
I had some time to do more research, and it appears that 2014 isn't a "magic number" for gas millege.
It appears that it's the 8-speed auto that's giving 2+ more MPG, which is significant. A 2013 Ram 1500 w/ 8-speed is no different on the estimated MPG than a 2014 model.
So what should be my "minimum" year?
Seems like the 8-speed auto should be an "absolute" requirement. Would appreciate a back-up cam!
Seems like it should be very possible to find a used Ram 1500 4x4, standard cab, low miles, w/ 8-speed for $20,000. Leather is even better...I don't like cloth seats.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on December 13, 2018, 05:50:19 PM
There should be but that is a stupid design. My 05 was normal, I tried it out lots.
If that had been my '07 in that picture it would have been buried up to the axles from only one tire spinning on the front and rear.
I did a 1000 mile round trip with the 18. Coming back I did 350 miles on glare ice, unplowed snow etc. This truck has open differentials but I used the auto4WD feature and I love it. This is a great setup for the highway and is very surefooted. It would lose tractiion for a split second with the single track in the back but the traction/4WD control did their job very well and would cut in right away. I was considering putting an aftermarket Sure Grip in it (which would certainly be a benefit at low speeds in heavy snow) but I think I'll leave it alone.
I used to put 1000lbs in the bed of the Cummins and still was up on the wheel like a Sprint car driver in conditions like that.
I just want to know who their target audience is? Who thinks that front end is attractive? I don't get it. :Thud:
Much like every new design of a vehicle I think the target audience is current GM/Chev truck owners....someone who'll buy it reguardless of what it looks like...
I like my 2017 RAM and still trying to adjust my taste to the new style 2019 because I know when it's time to buy a new truck it won't be anything but a RAM .
They were so embarrassed that they covered it Up!!!! :stop:
Even the Mirrors are Butt ugly !!
I guess a lot more people will be buying Mopar :bigthumb:
Spoiler alert! If you believe what the main stream media is selling the 2020 Silverado 2500 HD will look like this. Having worked for GM 23 years I am sure GM 's engineers are still tweaking the design.
that is barely any better looking & still has the butt ugly mirrors :alan2cents:
Again. this is what the main stream media selling. Also, most people buy a 2500 or 3500 to tow with, and the mirrors just could be the optional tow mirrors. What we do know is what the 2019 Silverado 2500 HD standard mirrors and body look like, see picture. Looks like a winner to me.
I have owned both my first & last GM so I will not be looking at the new ones
GM has virtually zero market share here except for rebadged Suzukis
I finally went into Carmax and sat in some Ram 1500 Standard Cabs.
Boy, they are certainly full size trucks. I actually had to scoot my seat forward for the first time.
I found that the standard cab has PLENTY of space for a road trip...you can store 6 backpacks in there and still swim with space. My girlfriend agreed. Standard cab it is. Easier to drive, easier to park, easier to do U-turns, easier to off road.
We sat in some quad cabs and it didn't feel any more spacious...unless you turn your head around. We have no need for rear seating.
Now, if I can just find the uber rare standard cab with an 8-speed, 5.7, ~50k miles, and 4x4 all for about ~22k, I'll be good to go. They're out there, they're just not popular.
I actually thought Carmax was pretty cool. Never felt pressured. Guy took my name/number down and my needs. He'll be doing some searching. Seems like a great place to buy a used vehicle.
With the planned plant closures in the USA and Canada, I hope GM sales plummet.
That ones looking better but grill still looks upside down? Glad they are tweaking the design!
I've said for years that I wish Dodge would make a version of the Chev Suburban. They have them in Mexico but not USA/Canada? Have the Diesel as an option and they would sell a ton of them I'm sure!
Got my new truck this week, 2019 Laramie, I love it, the ride is awesome, 10x the truck my 2015 ram express was. Mine does mostly around town driving and towing a 22ft boat on the weekends, so it is everything I need!! Tinted the windows, added mopar slush mats (they are awesome) tonneau and bed mat. Leveling kit came today, wheels are tires will be here weds!
Good looking truck!!! :clapping:
Yea I want a new one too :'(
Looks great , Glad you are happy with it :bigthumb:
Quote from: anlauto on January 25, 2019, 10:21:09 AM
Yea I want a new one too :'(
Just $$$ ...... yours is probably worn out by now
I'm hoping to work out a deal on a 2015 soon.
I've been daily driver-less for 7 days now.
Looking good! :twothumbsup:
Post up pics with the new boots when you get them on.
Looks way better than the 2020 chev.... ..
Done! Just gotta remove the word "ram" from the doors, and the "4x4" and "Laramie" and "Woodhouse" off the tailgate and I will be good to go! Tires are louder than I would like but not awful, and the 2.5 inch motofab leveling kit rides just like stock. Wheels are 20x10 mayhem Warrior w/-25 offset, and tires are 33x12.5 Atturo Trail Blade M/Ts. Everything clears, no rubbing at all. And I've been asked this a lot so I'm just gonna throw it out there, I got the wheels and tires from www.extremecustoms.com. They let you "make an offer" so I got them mounted, balanced, w/lugs and TPMS sensors installed, shipped to my door for $1699. Every place local I tried was $2000-2400 for the exact same setup. I love it, perfect divorce present for me... :cheers:
You got a divorce AND a new truck AND had personal touches added to it. you must have an outstanding lawyer!!! :ohyeah: Good for you! :perfect10:
Certainly looks more aggressive ....out of curiosity, are the tires directional ?
Cool truck.
Hopefully I'll be posting a pic of my new (hopefully) ram soon. About to start negotiating.
Ha, ha: I'm keeping my 2018 and my 1961. It's cheaper that way.
I will be keeping the 06 Cummins 5.9
No Alan they are not directional.
Quote from: Moparman82 on January 30, 2019, 10:26:49 AM
No Alan they are not directional.
Oh okay thanks...I just thought in the one picture of the passenger side the tires looked like they should go the other way and thought that might be why they are somewhat loud. :dunno:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on January 29, 2019, 07:55:33 PM
I will be keeping the 06 Cummins 5.9
Try a 6.7, you will get rid of the 5.9. Close to double the torque. :burnout:
Yay, I just scored one!
She's a beauty!
I LOVE the 8-speed. I LOVE the eco-mode (MDS)....Chrysler engineers did a bang up job and made it completely seamless. Not sure why the hell anyone would want to disable that.
I managed 19 MPG for the 400 mile trip, which had lots of elevation changes, twisty and curvy forest roads through mostly dry/wet roads but also 200 miles of slush/ice/snow roads. That's on winter fuel and probably 87 octane (dealer filled up the car for me and likely put that grade in). That's also 85/15 (hwy/city) ratio, with 25 miles of 4WD, AC ON the whole time, and also 5 full throttle runs. No doubt she will easily hit 21-23 MPG in the summer.
That's incredible fuel economy over those conditions!
Standard cabs are lifetime-keepers. Plenty of space!
I would not want to race this truck with my 340....yet. I'll just leave it at that. :)
Great truck, The standard cabs are hard to find. My 5.7 pulls pretty good with the 3.90's even being a crew cab. Yours should rock pretty good.
Quote from: dodj on January 30, 2019, 12:28:56 PM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on January 29, 2019, 07:55:33 PM
I will be keeping the 06 Cummins 5.9
Try a 6.7, you will get rid of the 5.9. Close to double the torque. :burnout:
At least here I could take all of the pollution crap off & retune it , of course my 89 5.9 dynoed at 830 ft lbs tq at the rear tires !!
OMG , Chevy has really gone down hill . Back in 2016 chevy had a photo of the new 2016 Silverado . But when the pickup came out it didn't even look close to the photo. It looked even uglier . :thumbdown:
I am thinking of a new Ram pickup next year.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on February 09, 2019, 11:43:14 AM
Great truck, The standard cabs are hard to find. My 5.7 pulls pretty good with the 3.90's even being a crew cab. Yours should rock pretty good.
Oh yeah! With the 8 speed, the 3.21 is a fantastic gear if your towing occasionally or rarely. The 3.21 with 8 speed is equivalent to 3.73 with 6 speed.
I rarely tow, so it's perfect. Fuel injection is hard to beat. It's just so responsive. You're right, the 8 speed is a winner.
The towing mirrors are pimp. The car wash kicked their ass today though. Note to self: fold in tow mirrors next time.
Quote from: gaddied on February 09, 2019, 03:50:26 PM
OMG , Chevy has really gone down hill . Back in 2016 chevy had a photo of the new 2016 Silverado . But when the pickup came out it didn't even look close to the photo. It looked even uglier . :thumbdown:
I am thinking of a new Ram pickup next year.
IDK, my co-worker has a 2017 hot-rod red Silverado quad cab with tan leather inside, and it always catches my eye in the parking lot. It's absolutely gorgeous. I've ridden in it and thought it was extremely well built. Nothing wrong with a chevy truck...
If you're considering a Ram, I would highly recommend considering the used route. The degradation of Rams are greater than Ford and GM. The delta of a, let's say 2015 w/ 25k miles (and still factory warrantee) vs a 2019 is about $13,000. IMO, that much delta screams that the smarter decision is to go used. Plus, there are metric tons of used quad cab Rams, so working up a deal is far easier than working up a deal on a rare standard cab!
Yeah, that grille shot does nothing for promoting the new model...Glad I bought ours this year...Why do the manufacturers always ride the same styling wave ? Taking ques from a best selling model from another brand in hopes of pulling some business their way I guess...
Say what you will about chevys but our 2500HD duramax smoked a lot of dodges on the road hauling trips.. I just picked a new 3500HD and brought it back to the shop{26 miles}... Nothing like taking off a new box to install a service body...Anyhow, I think the employees will like the new ride...
On a lighter note...Look what was on the back lot for sale !! Even had a 4spd on the floor... :o
Could somebody let Cuda Cody know his account has been hacked? :soshelp: :stop: :'(
Digging up an old thread as I figured out where their design ques came from.
Yup: Cartoon wheels and Hollywood styling.
Just gotta remove the word "ram" from the doors, and the "4x4" and "Laramie" and "Woodhouse" off the tailgate and I will be good to go!
I hate that crap like that they stick on, makes it look cheap.
Plus they're not paying me to advertise.
Yup: That cheese comes right off with a heat gun and some fishing line to cut through the two sided tape it's held on with.