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Started by CudaMoparRay, July 26, 2018, 01:36:39 PM

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CudaMoparRay

This seems way overpriced to me but what do you think it is really worth?
My only interest is that it is only 2 miles down the freeway from me and has the Wow factor.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/1964-426-hemi-engine-VH-426-HC-477-cu-inch/163124349110?hash=item25faf808b6%3Ag%3Ad3cAAOSw2s1U1pZC&_sop=16&_nkw=426+hemi&_sacat=6000&_from=R40&rt=nc

Topcat

People see crate engine prices for a Stroked Hemi and base their "what it should be price"
They are in my opinion, poorly cogged together parts with hidden issues ready to bite your Butt off.
Add alot more and getting to $30K is within reach.

It may be a little high, but these are very expensive engines to build correctly.

If you really want to see what something like this is cost wise; I would call a few places and ask what they typically sell for.


https://forhemisonly.com/
http://raybarton.com/parts/index.php/
https://www.facebook.com/DavesEngineMachining/ Built mine.

Well built stroked Hemi's under $25K?...Not common.


RUNCHARGER

I think that is high for what is there. That guy usually has hemi bits for sale on Ebay, generally for 2-3X regular retail. I would want written proof those old cast parts were magnafluxed and measurements on the crankshaft, cylinder bores etc. Early Hemi blocks had problems with the main saddles cracking.
As to value, I Think the crossram is worth $2k at the very top, carbs I'm not sure but I would want Holley 4235,4236 anyway. Then a questionable build with a camshaft that idles at 1300RPM, this engine maybe makes 550HP. If the bores measure .060 over and the crank is a .030, .030 this isn't even a good core. So after measuring everything and it was all usable maybe $15k for everything but I think more like $10k would be fair.
I personally don't use used Hemi parts anymore, especially off Ebay. I remember messing around with repairing aluminum heads, dealing with used up cranks etc. and it just isn't worth it.
Sheldon


ZEN357

That's alot of money for that old of an engine considering you can buy a whole car for that much.  The new ones don't even cost what he's asking for that 1964 engine.

https://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/46125/10002/-1

CudaMoparRay

Quote from: ZEN357 on July 27, 2018, 05:23:44 AM
That's alot of money for that old of an engine considering you can buy a whole car for that much.  The new ones don't even cost what he's asking for that 1964 engine.

https://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/46125/10002/-1

I guess it's the difference between "Classic" prices and Modern. Something like what @Topcat was alluding to.
Something like a $150,000.00 '71 Hemi Cuda and a $60,000.00 '18 Dodge "Hemi" Challenger which would technologically and safety wise be light years ahead but not commanding that kind of cost????     :notsure:

Topcat

This was my list from 2010 I had...
Add 15%-25% to the total and it should be around today's actual costs.


Keep in mind, this was a build to make it period correct looking.


(copied)
So far this is everything I have bought for it. It's also a good list for anyone wanting a reference on what is all needed to build a Hemi.

Some items are optional to each builders preference.
S & H is included into cost per item when applicable. 

Description  Part No.  Price 1  Price 2 Price 3
     
Stroker Kit, Muscle Motors        $2,389.00
Machine shop short block Labor $2,088.00
Machine shop head labor          $990.00         
Gasket Teardown kit  P3412083   $100.00         
Rear Main Seal Kit  P4271961  $   10.00  $10.86
Fel Pro Head Gaskets (pair)                   $364.00     
Timing cover/Water pump gasket kit     $25.07         
Valve Cover gaskets                             $16.90         
Intake manifold heat tube gaskets       $20.85         
Intake Manifold Gaskets                       $19.98
Exhaust Manifold Gaskets                     $14.26         
Carburetor Air Horn Gaskets                 $2.98
Carburetor to manifold Gaskets            $21.00       
Freeze Core Plug Kit P5249708             $25.00  $13.46         
Crankshaft Key set P524922                $5.00  $10.00             
Oil Slinger  P5249636                          $7.50  $8.00         
Thermostat P4876307                          $7.50  $13.00         
Timing Chain                     P5249269  $92.00  $88.00 [3]       
Distributor Bronze bushing                  $9.99         
Distributor Drive Gear         P3571071  $70.00  $106.03         
Pilot Bearing Bushing                         $15.00
Valve Cover Stud and Nut Kit  P4529897  $20.00  $17.84         
Valve Lash Caps P4120635  $   95.00  $51.00 [4] $35.75 [5]     
Valve Stem Seals                    (Viton vs. Teflon) P5249961 $16.25  $19.00 [6]       
Valve Keepers                                 $14.28 [7] $17.28 [8]     
Valve Spring seats             
Valve Sprng retainers              Steel, 5/16", Single, Std Height, 7� P44552769           
Valve Springs                                   0.500"/0.610" Lift     $105.99 [9]       
Valve Guides                         Brodix      $198.00
Stainless Steel Valves                          $301.59         
Rocker Shaft springs     (possible re use) P4452827  $   33.75           
Rocker Shim pkg.  P3690896                   $11.00           
Rocker Arm Adjuster Tip set  P5007444AB  $   28.75  $30.00 [10]       
Rocker Shaft End Plugs P5249633             $7.00
Hemi Spark Plug Aluminum Tube seals        $101.85
Head diagnosis                                           $90.00         
Head Bolt hardware                                   $195.95         
ARP assembly lubricant 100-9909              $14.83         
Head Repair                                               $425.00         
Oil Pump Bolts                                             $26.35         
Oil Pump, High PSI                                      $74.78 [11]       
Oil Pump Pick Up Tube                                $40.00         
Windage Tray Stroker Crank                      $71.16         
Spark plug tube seals                                $16.99 [12]       
Cam Bearings               
Connecting Rod Bearings      No charge[13]       
Main Bearings               
Lifters                                                  $179.84         
Camshaft                                             $195.00         
Ignition Wire set                                   $137.50         
Paint Supplies                                       $12.00         
Engine Paint, Acrylic Enamel                   $60.00
Exhaust Manifold Paint POR-15              $24.16         
Hemi Power Steering Pulley                   $200.00         
Hemi Crank Pulley                                  $186.45         
Alternator                                               $22.50         
Belt Alignment Problem Solver               $29.81         
Hemi Water Pump pulley                        $67.69         
Engine Oil Dip Stick                                $70.00         
Re built Carbs                                        $800.00         
Oil Pressure Sending Unit                        $19.04         
Hemi Oil Pressure Sending Unit Heat Shield    $22.75         
Heater Hose Outlet Block Nipples             $24.20         
Hemi Flywheel Bolts                                  $38.90         
Hemi Heat Tube bolts                                $8.00         
Hemi Exhaust Manifold Bolts                     $53.90         
Hemi Carb Linkage Shoulder Bolts             $21.50
Alternator Correct head mounting bolt      $15.00     
Hemi Carb Inline Fuel Fittings                     $32.85         
Hemi alternator Bracket Spacer Kit             $44.90         
Hemi Power Steering Fitting                       $18.50         
Hemi Carb Spring Set                                 $32.00         
Hemi PCV Valve                                          $19.75         
Hemi Left Wire Separator Bracket             $20.00         
Hemi Idle Solinoid Bracket                        $21.49         
Hemi Carb Solenoid Bracket Nuts               $4.71         
Hemi Solenoid Kick Bracket                       $30.60         
Hemi Alternator Pulley                              $108.71         
Hemi Throttle Cable Bracket                      $38.75         
Hemi Fuel Line Set                                     $66.25         
OEM Hose clamp set                                  $16.50         
Timing Bolt set                                           $19.35         
Water pump housing bolts                        $20.00
Hemi neg. battery block bolt                       $4.90
Hemi Correct Exhaust Pipe Bolt Set           $16.90
Hemi Oil Pan                                            $117.50         
Hemi Original Distributor                          $227.00         
Hemi Electronic Distributor                       $174.27         
Hemi Distributor Cap                                 $30.09         
Hemi Distributor hold down bolt                 $8.00         
Hemi Throttle Cable                                  $19.49         
Federal Power Steering Rebuild Kit           $24.99         
Hemi Shaker Baseplate                           $406.00         
Mopar Fan clutch                                      $150.50         
Fan clutch Rebuilt service                        $210.00         
Air Cleaner Lid                                        $100.00         
Air cleaner to carb Studs                          $12.85         
Starter Cable bracket on Bell Housing     $34.50         
Hemi Cast Iron OEM Water Pump Housing   $69.45         
Hemi Exhaust Manifolds                            $590.00
Exhaust Manifold Heat Tube Fasteners      $14.10     
Power Steering Return Hose                     $29.00         
Carb Idle mixture caps                               $15.75         
Hemi Power Steering Cooler                     $420.00         
Hemi Upper Radiator Hose  P3462184       $29.57         
Hemi Choke                                               $295.00         
Hemi Water Pump                                       $79.00         
Belts                                                           $18.95         
Hemi OEM Coil                                            $82.00         
PCV breather                                              $25.00
Flywheel                                                    $225.00
engine mounts                                           $235.00
positive battery cable                                $150.00
Hemi Ignition valve cover grommets           $19.00
Throttle Cable & Spring Bracket Bolts         $9.95
Complete Fuel Pump line kit                       $59.50
Hemi Fuel Pump Fittings                              $15.10
Engine Wire harness                                  $125.00
Hemi OEM Carb linkage Nuts                        $6.00
Hemi Intake Brake Booster Fitting               $11.95
Hemi 1971 959 Radiator core & re built      $1,200.00
Hemi H pipes                                               $600.00
Powder coated Hemi K member                  $1200.00
Hemicuda emblems                                     $120.00
Shaker Bubble                                             $650.00