3 speaker dash question

[YellowThumper]

Pulled my dash out for some work. It is not original to my car.
Question is, are the frames unique for the outer speakers? Or are they the same with or without?

[Jay Bee]

The frames are all the same through all years and both models.

[YellowThumper]

The frames are all the same through all years and both models.

Thank you. When I eventually recover it they will be eliminated.

[Cuda Cody]

    Same Same.

[Jay Bee]

Thank you. When I eventually recover it they will be eliminated.

Hopefully, missing that extra metal won't pose a problem when eliminating the outboard speakers during the recover.

EDIT: Altered attachment with a better picture of the 3 speaker hole.

[Katfish]

Put a sheet metal patch over the hole, if worried.

[YellowThumper]

So there is a difference with and without hole for speakers.

@Katfish yea i could cap the hole.
Unless someone near me in SoCal wanted a swap.

[pschlosser]

So there is a difference with and without hole for speakers.

In the dashpad, yes, there's always been differences in the pads, but not the underlying frame, the part that is painted and holding the radio and glove box.

The "dash" you show pictured in the OP is just the dash pad, not the underlying frame.  Some may call them both (typically bolted together) the "dash."

[YellowThumper]

So there is a difference with and without hole for speakers.

In the dashpad, yes, there's always been differences in the pads, but not the underlying frame, the part that is painted and holding the radio and glove box.

The "dash" you show pictured in the OP is just the dash pad, not the underlying frame.  Same may call them both (typically bolted together) the "dash."

Dash pad frame is specially what I am requesting.
Pic above by Jay Bee does appear to show differences with and without speaker hole in the dash pad frame.

[pschlosser]

Dash pad frame is specially what I am requesting.
Pic above by Jay Bee does appear to show differences with and without speaker hole in the dash pad frame.

The squishy dash pad "cap" does have a metal frame structure, but it's not normally called "the frame" because the squishy dash pad cap bolts to the frame, the frame being the painted part holding the glove box and radio.  Observe the following two images of the squishy dash pad cap:

The frames are all the same through all years and both models.

Jay Bee is correct, the frames are all the same across all the years, and all the options (with and without A/C with and without 3-speakers)  Observe the following image of a dash frame.  Note the opening in the center for the A/C vent.  These will be covered by a dash pad without A/C vent, so the frame works for both types.  The same goes for 1-speaker vs 3-speaker.  The same frame works for both.



I believe what you're seeing pictured in Jay Bee's post #4, is the underside of the dash pad.  Note, it even says "pad" right there in the caption text of the image.

We're here to help.  And most of us are happy to.  But we all gotta be clear what we're talking about, if we want to evade confusion and frustration.

Getting a dash pad recovered is at least $1000. 

So are you looking for BOTH a dash pad and a dash frame?   Just one, or the other?  If you're going to have your 3-speaker dash pad cap recovered, what parts do you now seek?

[larry4406]

Interesting thread!  Thanks all for the pictures.

So, Looking at Jaybee's Post#4, does that mean a single speaker dash pad can be converted to a 3 speaker pad?  Anyone done this?  What parts would be needed?

Sorry for the slight thread derail.

[Jay Bee]

a dash pad and a dash frame?

Semantics can be tricky, I like this differentiation. Confusion also arises when a metal dashpad vs an ABS dashpad is referenced.

So, Looking at Jaybee's Post#4, does that mean a single speaker dash pad can be converted to a 3 speaker pad?  Anyone done this?  What parts would be needed?

I've done this twice. I made a template from the underside of a 3 speaker OEM dashpad. I know for a fact I used a Dremel and an X-acto knife. Possibly a drill and tin snips to get the hole started. I remember doing a final cosmetic "clean-up" of the foam with a stone bit on the Dremel. This was decades ago, sorry for the poor recollection.   

[pschlosser]

Interesting thread!  Thanks all for the pictures.

So, Looking at Jaybee's Post#4, does that mean a single speaker dash pad can be converted to a 3 speaker pad?  Anyone done this?  What parts would be needed?

Sorry for the slight thread derail.

Yes, but bear in mind, we are talking about paying the big $$$ to have your dash pad recovered or refinished.  When those guys restore a dashpad, they don't care if there if it's a 3-speaker or 1-speaker.  I bet even if it was a 3-speaker, and you asked them to restore it as a 1-speaker they would.  But covering the hole goes the extra mile.  When the 3-speaker is restored as a 1-speaker, the 2 outer speaker holes are covered.

[YellowThumper]

Let's try again,
Question is not regarding the dash frame.
Question is about the metal support framework inside the padding.
I asked, because if this 3 speaker (pad inner structure) is different because of the added holes. Or is every one the same regardless of 1 or 3 speakers.
Basically if there is a difference and someone local(ish) to me (SoCal Oc.) wanted this frame, I would swap them with a 1 speaker pad frame.
Padding would need to be similar to mine as I am not ready to fork the $$$ out yet to have it redone.

[Jay Bee]

Let's try again,
Question is not regarding the dash frame.
Question is about the metal support framework inside the padding.
I asked, because if this 3 speaker (pad inner structure) is different because of the added holes. Or is every one the same regardless of 1 or 3 speakers.

The metal support framework inside the padding is definitely different if the pad is a 1 speaker vs a 3 speaker. A long long time ago I had both types of OEM pads in my possession at the same time. One was from my car (AM radio) and one was from a '70 Gran Coupe in a bone yard that had a AM/FM stereo.

EDIT: Currently there's a single speaker '71 - '74 pad (nameplate not script) on eBay and there are no outboard speaker holes.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/204352729912?_trksid=p4375194.c101770.m146925