70 vert A66 4 speed car for sale

[js27]

Alan,  you bring up very good point and very possible expenses to be considered but as I said it is all guess work until you "get into it" as they say. The motor -trans-rear are all expensive item to rebuild but you do not know for sure they do need to be rebuilt-they may all be just fine. A car like this you can not know what hidden things you may need or may not need. You may get some new hoses and rebuilt the carb and a good tune up and the motor may run just fine-or it may smoke or knock.. I guess what I should have said is if the drive train is all good and there is no hidden damage or rust I think the car could be a nice dependable local show car for $25,000.00.
Not looking for arguments --just giving my opinion.
JS27

[anlauto]

Nobody's arguing ... I think we're just having some good ol' conversation about restoration, the cost of, and the definition of.

I can't believe how much cheaper things are in the States.

But all this conversation lends to the fact about what I've always said about buying a "done" car vs buying a project and doing a proper restoration.

When buying a done car you really don't know what you're getting....As I take away from this conversation is that a lot of people are willing to make the cosmetics of a car look nice on the outside, but not really care about the inner workings of the car....and just drive it...."let the next guy worry about that" if they sell it.

Instead of actually rebuilding the rear axle with new bearings and seals, just clean-up the outside, maybe, hopefully change the oil at least and send it down the road....We used to call it a "Newfee rebuild" when we just cleaned the motor and painted it...the heck with the 70K miles on it over 49 years  of sludge. 


So in conclusion .... This hobby has room for everybody

[Rich G.]

Would look nice restored. I like the tan interior. Like everyone said, a bit high for something that needs a full restoration. What is it worth if it was restored?

[js27]

Again Alan you have great points. The terminology in the classic car hobby varies a lot. How many times do we see cars advertised as Survivors. Then you find out the car was painted-interior was repaired-carpet was changed-and so on. There are several levels of restorations. Does somebody want a driver or a show car or a OE GOLD winner. Not everybody has deep pockets so they make do with what they got. Like most of us I have been into Mopars since an early age of 13 years old which put us in 1968. I  can say without a doubt times have changed and the level of a complete restoration has raised to insane heights. I really do not think it can get much higher than it is now. In 1992 I bought and restored my 1967 GTX. It was a pretty much all original rusted hunk that ran. Replaced front fender and both rear 1/4's with rust free whole 1/4's. Had the car painted with 2 1/2 gallons of lacquer and 3 1/2 gallons of clear. Rebuilt the motor- trans-rear-did a complete new interior from Legendary including headliner all new fuel and brake systems-a complete exhaust system-rebuilt the entire front end. I did most of the work myself except the body and paint and headliner. It took 2 years and I had a total cost including the car itself around $22,000.00. When I sold it last year 27 years later it looked and ran as good as it did in 1994 when completed so it was done right. Today I would imagine that same resto would cost $60,000.00. Am I close on this one ??--LOL

[anlauto]

I'm with you on that one...Ever since day one I've keep insane records on every penny spent on a car that I'd restored...

Back in 1993 I bought AND restored this 1971 Duster Twister for a grand total of $17K....Went to 19 shows in 1994 in both US and Canada, won 19 first place trophies, couple best in show awards etc...Appeared in 5 out of 6 of the Mopar magazines at that time...


I sold the car back to the original owner a couple of years later for $10K

Last November 2018 I paid $27K for body and paint work on a 70 Challenger .....so yea...times have changed

[scf100]

@js27  nice work!

[js27]

@js27  nice work!

Thank You-That was my first restoration I ever did.
JS27

[70 Challenger Lover]

Well things are cheaper in the US for sure. It also helps that those who restore at home are not pressed for time and don't have a customer to please. Most of us are fine with really nice rather than perfect. We have no reputation to build or maintain. What you do with a car is to make it literally new again, better in some case than when it left the factory. What many others do is take the car to a level it would have been in its early life. New and fresh in most respects but not perfect.

Professionals feel compelled to ensure every little item gets sent out for the correct cadmium plating where most of us at home just bead blast and paint. A professional would use exact reproduction die cut under dash insulation for instance when home restorers use similar type insulation from a fabric store cut themselves for a fraction of the cost. Nothing wrong with either method because it's built with a specific end goal in mind and one method just happens to save a lot of money. I didn't mean to imply that some of us polish up old turds and hide problems for future owners to deal with. We just don't always spend money redoing every single thing on a car just because it's part of the car. Because we don't answer to a paying customer, we have the luxury of pressing certain components back into service for a while longer freeing up money to be budgeted elsewhere.

I think it comes down to how "correct" a finished car has to be in the end. I see beautiful cars, done very nicely at local cruise night gatherings quite often. Many of these cars are restored on budgets in the 25k range. If every car was certain to cost 40k plus to restore, the only cars that would ever get restored would be the ultra collectible cars like hemis, tri power cars, and cobra jets. Nobody would spend $40k on a 6 cylinder Mustang coupe. Yet there are a ton of those cars in really nice condition rolling around.

[js27]

I'm with you on that one...Ever since day one I've keep insane records on every penny spent on a car that I'd restored...

Back in 1993 I bought AND restored this 1971 Duster Twister for a grand total of $17K....Went to 19 shows in 1994 in both US and Canada, won 19 first place trophies, couple best in show awards etc...Appeared in 5 out of 6 of the Mopar magazines at that time...


I sold the car back to the original owner a couple of years later for $10K

Last November 2018 I paid $27K for body and paint work on a 70 Challenger .....so yea...times have changed

Yes  times have changed for sure.. Beautiful Duster by the way--70 and 71 Dusters are my Favorite A Bodies.  My GTX was also written up in Mopar Collectors Guide in Feb. 1994 and Hi Performance Mopar in March of  1994. It was in building T at Carlisle in 1997 and won 1st place at Carlisle and The Mopar Atlantic Nationals @ Englishtown NJ in 1999 and 2001-I didn't make it in 2000 ( I think it rained)..I never counted 1st place win in local shows but there was a lot. $27,000 for body and paint on a 70 Challenger--I think you are trying to give me another Heart Attack--

[js27]

Well things are cheaper in the US for sure. It also helps that those who restore at home are not pressed for time and don't have a customer to please. Most of us are fine with really nice rather than perfect. We have no reputation to build or maintain. What you do with a car is to make it literally new again, better in some case than when it left the factory. What many others do is take the car to a level it would have been in its early life. New and fresh in most respects but not perfect.

Professionals feel compelled to ensure every little item gets sent out for the correct cadmium plating where most of us at home just bead blast and paint. A professional would use exact reproduction die cut under dash insulation for instance when home restorers use similar type insulation from a fabric store cut themselves for a fraction of the cost. Nothing wrong with either method because it's built with a specific end goal in mind and one method just happens to save a lot of money. I didn't mean to imply that some of us polish up old turds and hide problems for future owners to deal with. We just don't always spend money redoing every single thing on a car just because it's part of the car. Because we don't answer to a paying customer, we have the luxury of pressing certain components back into service for a while longer freeing up money to be budgeted elsewhere.

I think it comes down to how "correct" a finished car has to be in the end. I see beautiful cars, done very nicely at local cruise night gatherings quite often. Many of these cars are restored on budgets in the 25k range. If every car was certain to cost 40k plus to restore, the only cars that would ever get restored would be the ultra collectible cars like hemis, tri power cars, and cobra jets. Nobody would spend $40k on a 6 cylinder Mustang coupe. Yet there are a ton of those cars in really nice condition rolling around.

Yes I think we all agree on your statement. You can only achieve what you can afford and what your technical abilities and knowledge can offer.
JS27

[anlauto]

Like I said the hobby has room for everybody 

[1 Wild R/T]

I'd love it myself and I dig the options...maybe not the tan interior though but that's easily fixed. I was thinking a bit high too but not really sure how convertibles value out, especially four speed 340 cars.

I think the Green & Tan look great together...

[ragtopdodge]

What's this car worth if you $75k into it?

I'd say MAYBE, MAYBE $100k.  But you'd have to weld up the holes left from leaving off the side moulding.  Yuck.

Would be a sweet car.  I actually like the tan interior.  However, I just couldn't re-paint it F8.  It'd have to be repainted black or maybe FJ5/FJ6.

Ya, pity on the hood and headlight bezel.  It'd be great to just get it going and drive it as-is for awhile.  Can't do that w/that ugly damage.

[E74cuda]

Would look nice restored. I like the tan interior. Like everyone said, a bit high for something that needs a full restoration. What is it worth if it was restored?

A66 convertibles don't come up for sale much. These days for any car to get top $ it needs to be a desirable color combo for the masses. I like the combo but it doesn't add value to the car. It more than likely is considered a negative by the general buying public. A66 cars seem to lag a little in comparison to an equally equipped R/T also. There's a 1971 Challenger 340, 3spd convertible on ebay now. It was for sale for quite some time at one dealer at what I thought to be a reasonable price and nobody bit. It's a great color combo, black with a white interior. Another dealer has it now and of course raised the price, 68k BIN. I'd say that the 1970 A66 project car restored value is around 65k. Basically impossible to get into at the sellers 40k opening price and do a nice restoration without being completely upside down. Since it hasn't sold yet I think most interested buyers are thinking the same.

[benlavigne]

This one sold for $49 500 at B-J in Scottsdale. Description clearly states it's a rebody, which could have hurt the price...

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1970-DODGE-CHALLENGER-CONVERTIBLE-227452

Ben