Anyone hear of or use Daniel Stern for turn signal switches?

[torredcuda]

A guy on FB referrred me to this guy for better quality switches. I have a repro one now which works fine but I wasn`t impressed with the quality of it. Scroll to bottom of page.

https://www.danielsternlighting.com/products/products.html#Buy

[b5cuda]

I've bought items and got advice from Dan Stern on a number of auto electrical and lighting issues over the years. Very knowledgeable, reliable, helpful guy. I recommend him. However, I did not see e-body switches listed on his site - are you sure he carries them?

[torredcuda]

I've bought items and got advice from Dan Stern on a number of auto electrical and lighting issues over the years. Very knowledgeable, reliable, helpful guy. I recommend him. However, I did not see e-body switches listed on his site - are you sure he carries them?

No idea, it says A,B and C bodies but I e-mailed them to ask and still waiting to hear back.

[torredcuda]

His reply - "Hi, Jeff. Thanks for writing.

One new turn signal switch for your '72 Barracuda is $135.79 (USD)
shipped within the lower 48 states (if you're elsewhere, please let me
know where and I'll advise total). Up to three additional switches at
$121.10/each can go in the same packet without extra postage.

I also have excellent upgrades for the headlamps, brake lights, etc; let
me know if you'd like more info on those.
..."

[Jay Bee]

His generic picture doesn't give me much confidence. I don't recall seeing those terminals on A, B & C cars. Where's the hazard button?  Sometimes people are literal, like, "you asked for the switch and that's what you got, the hazard button is an extra add-on". Yeah, the write up says - "These come with correct configuration, wires, and terminals—no "adapters", hacks, drilling, cutting, or other modifications are needed" - hopefully that's correct.

[torredcuda]

I think I`ll do a follow up e-mail and ask for specific details, "correctness" and pics of an the actual E-body one to make sure I know what I am getting.

[torredcuda]

SO this is what I sent -
"Do you have pics of the E-body specific switch? Does it come complete with the correct roller ball horn contact, hazard switch and correct wiring and connector? Thanks. "
reply was -
"Hi, Jeff.

The current-production switches do not have the roller-wheel horn
contact; they have the button-slider type. If that won't suit your needs
or preferences, I'd recommend popping for a New Old Stock switch.  In
fact, here's a _screamin'_ deal on that switch—better price than I can
offer:

Disappointing - he only answered one of my questions and didn`t send a pic, the pic on his website show the roller ball but I guess that`s misleading as he doesn`t "currently" have that style in production (did he ever?) I don`t know if it comes with hazard switch or if wiring is correct. I guess I`ll keep delaing my crappy repro for now.

[Jay Bee]

Thanks for the update. His picture and write up for that particular part is borderline false advertising and/or a scam. And what's up with not answering ALL your questions. The rollerball was a good catch, judging by his pic I would have thought that was, at least,  correct. Glad you caught all that before sending any money.

[torredcuda]

I sent him another e-mail stating I was hoping for a better quality part with the roller ball that he shows on his page and that he didn`t answer my other questions, his response was to again direct me to the one on e-bay.  He won`t be getting any of my business - too bad as I bet many others here and elslewhere would have been interested in buying them.

[torredcuda]

Maybe he can`t read blueprints very well?
"For 1962-'63 and 1964-'69 A, B, & C-bodies (without tilt steering), plus some trucks and vans up through 1971. These come with correct configuration, wires, and terminals—no "adapters", hacks, drilling, cutting, or other modifications are needed. They're made in OE quality to original Chrysler blueprints by an original Chrysler supplier."

[Jay Bee]

Maybe he can`t read blueprints very well?
"For 1962-'63 and 1964-'69 A, B, & C-bodies (without tilt steering), plus some trucks and vans up through 1971. These come with correct configuration, wires, and terminals—no "adapters", hacks, drilling, cutting, or other modifications are needed. They're made in OE quality to original Chrysler blueprints by an original Chrysler supplier."

[slantsixdan]

Just so we're clear on who-all said what-all, here's the whole email exchange, start to (so far) finish:

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Subject: Mopar turn signal switch
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 07:08:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff [last name, email address]
To: dastern@torque.net <dastern@torque.net>

Hello, I was referred to you by someone on Facebook who said you make a better quality turn signal switch than others currently available. I have a 1972 Barracuda I`d like a new switch and wiring for it.
Thanks, Jeff

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Subject: Re: Mopar turn signal switch
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 16:58:15 -0700
From: Consult Daniel Stern Lighting <dastern@torque.net>
To: Jeff [last name, email address]

Hi, Jeff. Thanks for writing.

One new turn signal switch for your '72 Barracuda is $135.79 (USD) shipped within the lower 48 states (if you're elsewhere, please let me know where and I'll advise total). Up to three additional switches at $121.10/each can go in the same packet without extra postage.

I also have excellent upgrades for the headlamps, brake lights, etc; let me know if you'd like more info on those.

[ordering info was here]

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Subject: Re: Mopar turn signal switch
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 08:53:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff [last name, email address]
To: Consult Daniel Stern Lighting <dastern@torque.net>

Do you have pics of the E-body specific switch? Does it come complete with the correct roller ball horn contact, hazard switch and correct wiring and connector?
Thanks.

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Subject: Re: Mopar turn signal switch
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 15:03:14 -0700
From: Consult Daniel Stern Lighting <dastern@torque.net>
To: Jeff [last name, email address]

Hi, Jeff.

The current-production switches do not have the roller-wheel horn contact; they have the button-slider type. If that won't suit your needs or preferences, I'd recommend popping for a New Old Stock switch.  In fact, here's a screamin' deal on that switch—better price than I can offer:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/145084356706

Cheers DS

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Subject: Re: Mopar turn signal switch
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 19:20:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff [last name, email address]
To: Consult Daniel Stern Lighting <dastern@torque.net>

The horn contact is one of my complaints on the repro I have now, I was hoping for a better quality one. You also didn`t send a pic or answer if it comes wit the hazard switch or correct wiring. I guess I`ll keep dealing with the one I have for now.
Thanks

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Subject: Re: Mopar turn signal switch
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 16:21:26 -0700
From: Consult Daniel Stern Lighting <dastern@torque.net>
To: Jeff [last name, email address]

...or you could scoop up that excellent-price NOS Mopar switch I linked, with the roller horn contact and '72-correct hazard switch. They're only going to get rarer and more expensive.

Cheers DS

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Subject: Re: Mopar turn signal switch
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 07:33:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff [last name, email address]
To: Consult Daniel Stern Lighting <dastern@torque.net>

False advertising?
"For 1962-'63 and 1964-'69 A, B, & C-bodies (without tilt steering), plus some trucks and vans up through 1971. These come with correct configuration, wires, and terminals—no "adapters", hacks, drilling, cutting, or other modifications are needed. They're made in OE quality to original Chrysler blueprints by an original Chrysler supplier."


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Subject: Re: Mopar turn signal switch
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:25:41 -0700
From: Consult Daniel Stern Lighting <dastern@torque.net>
To: Jeff [last name, email address]

Hi, Jeff.

No, it's not "false advertising", not even a little bit. That description you're quoting applies to the switches it describes: the one for '62-'63 cars, and the one for '64-6'9 cars and some trucks and vans through '71. That is not the same kind of switch you would need for your car.

I could have said "Nope, sorry, can't help ya". Instead, I pointed you at a new old stock Chrysler switch with the roller-wheel horn contact, correct for your car, for a price I can't match with my current-production switch with its slide-button horn contact. In other words: exactly what you're looking for, at a good price, even though I myself can't sell it to you. That's above-and-beyond customer service, so what exactly is your problem with me, good sir?

[slantsixdan]

OBTW, there is no "E-body specific switch" involved here. Same switch, № 3488 477, used on A-, B-, C-, and E-body cars without tilt/telescope, as we can see here in the relevant parts of the right page of the '72 factory parts cattledog.

Superseding part numbers for this switch are 3488 805, 4218 752, 4221 122, 4271 839, 4271 848, and 4293 102. Chrysler went to the slide-button type horn contact at some point in this succession of switches; one of the pics attached to this post shows a 4271 839 with both the slide-button horn contact and the green Chrysler label-sleeve on the wire bundle.

The third attached pic shows the final version of this switch, 4293 102. We can see the slide-button horn contact (purple arrow), the tube of horn contact lubricant (red arrow), and the reference to that lube in the instructions Chrysler packaged with the switch (green arrow). If you can't read it, it says 8. If this package contains a package of lubricant, apply a thin film of this lubricant to the complete contact area of the horn contact ring on the back of the steering wheel.  (Note: This is very important. If this is not done, excessive wear of the horn brush will result.)

I think it's a pretty good guess that most people who have a complaint about noise and issues with the slide-button horn contact probably didn't apply any lube, let alone the correct stuff, to that area.

Y'wanna gripe about me, do it for a real reason. Do it because I make a point of knowing what I'm talking about before I start talking about it, and I help people out when I can—even when it won't make my cash register ring.

[torredcuda]

So i maybe could have dealt with the slide type horn button if the rest of it was correct but as I stated here and in my e-mail you never provided the pic I requested or answered my other two questions about your switch - that is my issue. I really do appreciate the response you did give me and the e-bay link to the Mopar one but if you sent a pic and answered ALL my questions I may have just bought yours instead. 

[torredcuda]

"OBTW, there is no "E-body specific switch" involved here. Same switch, № 3488 477, used on A-, B-, C-, and E-body cars without tilt/telescope, as we can see here in the relevant parts of the right page of the '72 factory parts catlelog."

For `72 maybe but there are obviously different switches for different year/models as you stated the pic on your site was NOT for an E-body correct?