New Dodge Demon

[HP_Cuda]

Hey, how many EBO members have Demons on order?

[MEK-Dangerous]

Hey, how many EBO members have Demons on order?

Well, lets begin by canceling me out.   

But...Let's say I have the money. I would order a Hellcat over the Demon just for practical purposes, if you can say that. The Hellcat sorta can be your daily driver until there is any kind of moisture on the road. I don't see the Demon being used the same way.  This car was built to race. I just can't believe people have the cash to spend 85K+ on a car to use at the drag strip, but they live in a different world than I do.

[ViperMan]

Hey, how many EBO members have Demons on order?

Well, lets begin by canceling me out.   

But...Let's say I have the money. I would order a Hellcat over the Demon just for practical purposes, if you can say that. The Hellcat sorta can be your daily driver until there is any kind of moisture on the road. I don't see the Demon being used the same way.  This car was built to race. I just can't believe people have the cash to spend 85K+ on a car to use at the drag strip, but they live in a different world than I do.

What - not planning the Demon as your next Chally upgrade?!?

I think the Hellcat would be a fine daily driver - when it rains, just use the black key.  Also, the car lets you select between 3 different horsepower settings in the center stack.  I think it's 707, 385, and 2-something if I recall correctly.

Me, that's why I want a Jeep Trackhawk.  :-)  Then you could even tackle snow!

[HP_Cuda]

Kinda the reason I was asking to get feedback on the ride. The one thing that kinda kills it for me although I'd love to own one is that yes you buy it to run at the track. But in order to run at the track you would have to make some mods like adding a roll cage before they would let you run at any NHRA track.

I guess you could run it on the street and do grudge matches for $$$

Hey, how many EBO members have Demons on order?

Well, lets begin by canceling me out.   

But...Let's say I have the money. I would order a Hellcat over the Demon just for practical purposes, if you can say that. The Hellcat sorta can be your daily driver until there is any kind of moisture on the road. I don't see the Demon being used the same way.  This car was built to race. I just can't believe people have the cash to spend 85K+ on a car to use at the drag strip, but they live in a different world than I do.

[MoparJunkie]

From what I've read they've banned ONLY that specific demon that dodge ran a 9.65 in. They did not ban all demons from the track. It took a pro driver over 500 passes on a perfect day to run that 9.65. It's going to take awhile for the average driver to cut into the 9s on a track, and as long as you stay in the 10s you don't have to cage your car. This has been the info I've found while reading about the demon. They also didn't cage it from the factory because of the amount of safety regulations they would have to redo, and the money it would cost for only a 3,000 production run. Plus a cage turns a street car (which it is just barely) into a track car once you cage it in my opinion.

I'm not sure I like the fender flares (which are added for more traction) but I might be okay with them if I see it in person. But the biggest reason I'm not to thrilled, it only comes in an auto. I'd rather shift threw the gears myself even if it costs me some time. So personally I'd rather have a used 6MT Hellcat just for the pure enjoyment of shifting the car myself.

Kinda the reason I was asking to get feedback on the ride. The one thing that kinda kills it for me although I'd love to own one is that yes you buy it to run at the track. But in order to run at the track you would have to make some mods like adding a roll cage before they would let you run at any NHRA track.

I guess you could run it on the street and do grudge matches for $$$

Hey, how many EBO members have Demons on order?

Well, lets begin by canceling me out.   

But...Let's say I have the money. I would order a Hellcat over the Demon just for practical purposes, if you can say that. The Hellcat sorta can be your daily driver until there is any kind of moisture on the road. I don't see the Demon being used the same way.  This car was built to race. I just can't believe people have the cash to spend 85K+ on a car to use at the drag strip, but they live in a different world than I do.

[ec_co]

to add to that, the 9.65 was on 100 octane race gas. keep it at standard 93 octane and it should keep it in the 10s

[MoparJunkie]

to add to that, the 9.65 was on 100 octane race gas. keep it at standard 93 octane and it should keep it in the 10s

And to add to that even further you can do things like keep the front runners the standard tire and not skinnys, you can also opt for the passenger seat, rear seat and radio for extra weight as well to help keep you in the 10s. Again the average driver won't be running 9s anytime soon, you need a driver mod for that lol. I believe the same pro driver was able to get it to run 9.90s on 93 octane, so you could still cut a 9 sec pass but you would have to be driving it like you stole it!

[ViperMan]

I'm not sure I like the fender flares...

I really don't like them either, though we can probably both admit that, while sitting inside with tunnel vision as we accelerate at over 1G of force, we ain't really gonna care about any fender flares... 

[HP_Cuda]

I really love it when folks want to disagree just to disagree.

At my local NHRA track anything quicker than 10.99 needs a roll cage period.

Besides why spend 85k plus to stay in the 10's - that's just ludicrous.

[MoparJunkie]

I really love it when folks want to disagree just to disagree.

At my local NHRA track anything quicker than 10.99 needs a roll cage period.

Besides why spend 85k plus to stay in the 10's - that's just ludicrous.

The people that buy demons aren't going to be your average buyer who finances a car they want. Most demon owners will likely just drop the cash and pay the car off in full. So money isn't going to be a big deal to people who just want a turn key 9/10 sec car. Plus a lot of demons will likely just be collectors cars due to the limited run (unless FCA decides to make more).

I keep reading different things anywhere from 11.49 and faster needs a cage, to newer cars like Hellcats can get away with running 10s w/o cage because of their newer safety equipment or the fact that if you can run those numbers stockish (Drag radials count) then its okay. It's when you mod the car (like switching to slicks) is when the rules might change. But it appears not all tracks have the same exact rules. I think you run 11.49 or faster and at my local track and they kick you for no cage. I'd love for it to be 10.99 lol. it's been a long time since I've been to my local track so who knows the rules may have changed.

[Marc70challenger]

There is a difference between roll bar and roll cage.  And the 11.49 rule has exceptions.

2017 Rules  NHRA

Section 4A
ROll BAR
Roll bar mandatory in all cars (including T-tops) running 11.00 (*7.00) to 11.49 (*7.35), in convertibles running 11.00 (*7.00) to 13.49 (*8.25), and in all dune-buggy-type vehicles running 12.00 (*7.50) seconds and slower. Permitted in all cars. See General Regulations 4:10, 10:6.

ROll CAGE
A roll cage is mandatory in cars running 10.99 (*6.99) or quicker or any car exceeding 135 mph.

In full-bodied cars, with unaltered firewall, floor, and body (from firewall rearward, wheel tubs permitted), running between 10.00 (*6.40) and 10.99 (*6.99), roll bar permitted in place of roll cage.

In convertibles running 10.99 or quicker or exceeding 135 mph, roll cage mandatory. See General Regulations 4:4, 4:11, 10:6.

ROll-cAGE pADDING
Roll-cage padding meeting SFI Spec 45.1 mandatory on any vehicle running 9.99 (*6.39) and quicker. Padding must be used anywhere driver's helmet may come in contact with roll-cage components. See General Regulations 4:11, 10:6.

Section 20, 4:10 and 4:11 discuss in details the specifics of a roll bar and roll cage respectively, and their requirements. Too long to paste in.  Roll bar is minimum 5 point. Cages vary on interior, firewall designs, etc. Roll bars don't require certification.  Roll cages do for  8.5-10 sec (or 135 mph+). <8.5 seconds and that's yet again different category requiring funny car cage, etc

**Under NHRA DRAGS: STREET LEGAL STYLE comes the late model rules:

This category is reserved for foreign and domestic production-type automobiles and trucks. All vehicles must be street driven and carry proof of vehicle registration and valid insurance. Vehicles must also display valid license plates. Vehicles running in the Street Legal category must be able to pass all state highway safety requirements for the state in which the vehicle is registered.

Additionally, requirements and specifications for Street Legal are the same as those for the Summit Racing Series with the following exception. Unaltered 2008 OEM model-year and newer production cars running slower than 9.99 and 135 mph do not have to meet the requirements and specifications for the Summit Racing Series except for the following: Convertibles and T-tops must meet Summit Racing Series roll-bar and roll-cage requirements. Note: Tires used may be other than OEM, but they must be DOT- approved. Other changes/modifications to items such as but not limited to intake air systems, exhaust systems, computer programming from the factory OEM equipment are considered "alterations." As such, 2008 and newer vehicles with changes/modifications must meet the Summit Racing Series rules. All drivers must meet the Summit Racing Series helmet and protective-clothing requirements.

At Street Legal events, only legitimate street-legal machines are permitted to participate. Though competition structure varies from track to track, emphasis is placed on fun. A common Street Legal venue will feature time trials and grudge racing only, which ensures each participant the opportunity for a maximum number of passes down the dragstrip. Grudge racing permits participants to choose their competition rather than participate in an organized eliminator. And, once eliminated, a participant may return to the staging lanes for more time trials or grudge runs. Being eliminated at a Street Legal event does not necessarily mean it's time to go home.**

It's suppose to help take racing off the street - that's what they say is the intention. So, technically, you can run your 2008+ whatever .... as long as it isn't tuned, blown, or altered. If it's altered in any way for performance, essentially, then your in the bucket with the rest.

And - in the end, it's up to who enforces what at each track.  Some are more stringent - calling for things like engine diapers for cars slower than 10.0 sec up to 11 or even 11.5  (rules says 10 or quicker).

Belts and restraint systems are a whole other thing. And roll bar padding, and fire retardant wear.

the rule book is interesting. 10$. And can learn a lot from it in general besides rules.

I can say this - if I'm doing a buck 35+ hauling arse in 1320 feet - I want some steel around me besides a door. And a proper 5 point harness.  A few weeks ago someone running a "street" 10 second car got ejected and killed. I know of several incidents over the years of people dying hitting the wall (not rolling ) at less than 90 mph.

And don't forget. There's another 3-4 thousand pound hammer next to you.

[303 Mopar]

Exorcising the Demon

[CudaMoparRay]

Awesome commercial!

[ViperMan]

I would REALLY love to know how they pulled that off in Pittsburgh, and how pissed off Pittsburghians had to have been when Pennzoil shut down half the freakin' city, including one of the bridges AND tunnels... 

That city was a pain in the A$$ to drive through when all the roads were open!!! 

[303 Mopar]

I would REALLY love to know how they pulled that off in Pittsburgh, and how pissed off Pittsburghians had to have been when Pennzoil shut down half the freakin' city, including one of the bridges AND tunnels... 

That city was a pain in the A$$ to drive through when all the roads were open!!! 

Here is the "behind the scenes" including drivers being turned around at a road block.