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Technical Shop => Engine, Transmission & Rear End => Topic started by: B5fourspeed on April 26, 2021, 11:56:51 AM

Title: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: B5fourspeed on April 26, 2021, 11:56:51 AM
What is the correct Cuda 440 shaker hood upper radiator hose with 26" radiator?
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: anlauto on April 26, 2021, 01:14:49 PM
#2863257  :twothumbsup:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: MoparCarGuy on April 26, 2021, 06:43:15 PM
Edited after checking broadcast sheets: The correct upper radiator hose for the 1970 Cuda 440 with shaker (N96 shaker optional on Cuda440 or Cuda440-6) is 2863257 https://www.rosevillemoparts.com/product/upper-radiator-hose-1969-71-b_e-383-440-4406-with-26-inch-radia/ (https://www.rosevillemoparts.com/product/upper-radiator-hose-1969-71-b_e-383-440-4406-with-26-inch-radia/)

Hemicuda broadcast sheets show 3462113 https://www.rosevillemoparts.com/product/upper-radiator-hose-1970-71-e-body-hemi-and-shaker-challenger/ (https://www.rosevillemoparts.com/product/upper-radiator-hose-1970-71-e-body-hemi-and-shaker-challenger/)

Roseville also shows 3462184 for the Hemi E-body with Shaker but I did not see a BS23R0B or BS23R1B broadcast sheet in my collection of sheets with 84 for the Inlet Hose on Line 3.

Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: anlauto on April 26, 2021, 07:22:18 PM
According the the original broadcast sheets for my 1971 440+6 N96 equipped Cuda. and my 1971 440+6 Challenger without N96, both use the same  #2863257 upper hose :alan2cents:

Now I just question if 1970 was the same  :thinking:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: anlauto on April 26, 2021, 07:27:03 PM
Not sure who published that list, but the 1881804  is a hose for a 1962 six cylinder  :looney:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: anlauto on April 26, 2021, 07:40:10 PM
Also, according to Galen's white book: 1970 426 HEMI = #3412113  while the 1971 426 HEMI = #3462184 which makes me question whether 1970 440-4 and 440+6 used different hoses from the 1971 samples above. Unfortunately I don't have any BCS for 70 V/U code E Bodies...
Dan ? @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211)
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: anlauto on April 26, 2021, 07:41:02 PM
Quote from: B5fourspeed on April 26, 2021, 11:56:51 AM
What is the correct Cuda 440 shaker hood upper radiator hose with 26" radiator?
@B54SPEED (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/b54speed_749) What year car ? U or V code ?
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: Skdmark on April 26, 2021, 07:41:54 PM
Wouldn't radiator size play a part too?
22 inch radiators were standard on 440 and 440-6 cars with a 727 and 3.23 gears.
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: anlauto on April 26, 2021, 07:44:59 PM
The original poster mentioned 26" and the two samples I listed were 26" as well, but you're 100% correct 22" equipped U/V code cars use a totally different hose :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: Skdmark on April 26, 2021, 07:48:42 PM
Yep I see it he did mention 26inch radiator. I got too far down reading the replys and looking at the hose numbers.
:drunk:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: anlauto on April 26, 2021, 08:04:14 PM
So I found this 1970 440+6 BCS on the ol' interweb.....It has N96 as well and uses  #2863257 upper hose :dunno:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: MoparCarGuy on April 26, 2021, 08:04:23 PM
After seeing Alan's broadcast sheets, I looked through my saved 1970 Cuda broadcast sheets. The sheets with engine codes of R, U, and V and Shaker hood (N96) had either 57 or 13 in the radiator Inlet Hose location on Line 3.
57 equals a 2863257 upper radiator hose. https://www.rosevillemoparts.com/product/upper-radiator-hose-1969-71-b_e-383-440-4406-with-26-inch-radia/ (https://www.rosevillemoparts.com/product/upper-radiator-hose-1969-71-b_e-383-440-4406-with-26-inch-radia/) The 57 hose rubs on the shaker adapter ring.
13 equals a 3462113 upper radiator hose. https://www.rosevillemoparts.com/product/upper-radiator-hose-1970-71-e-body-hemi-and-shaker-challenger/ (https://www.rosevillemoparts.com/product/upper-radiator-hose-1970-71-e-body-hemi-and-shaker-challenger/) The 13 hose has a unique bend which clears the shaker adapter ring.

The 3462184 hose looks almost exactly like the 3462113 hose with the unique bend but I did not find any broadcast sheets showing 84 for Inlet Hose. Roseville shows both of these hoses as Shaker E-body hoses.

Also, the chart of hose numbers I posted earlier in this thread does not show every hose number that was available so it is of little value since, as you can see, the 3462113 hose is not even listed on the chart.

I have to agree with Alan and say that the 2863257 is correct and so is the 3462113 based on what is actually on the broadcast sheets for 1970/1971 U and V code Shaker Cudas.

 
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: anlauto on April 26, 2021, 08:11:57 PM
Awesome info :worship:....Galen's book has the #3462113 hose only listed for 1970 426 HEMI, not anything else.... :dunno:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: MoparCarGuy on April 26, 2021, 08:24:25 PM
Now we need a correct chart that shows all combinations of shaker/no shaker, 22"/26" radiators, and the engine codes with the correct hoses as per the broadcast sheets. Unfortunately, it appears that not all hose numbers are available in repro so you may have to deviate from the broadcast sheet and go with what you can buy.

FYI - that chart earlier in the thread came from one of the E-body restoration books and is not reliable due to errors and omissions.
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: 6bblgt on April 26, 2021, 08:46:54 PM
@MoparCarGuy (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/moparcarguy_1103)  you have a pic of a b'cast sheet for a "U"-code 440HP 'cuda?  can you post an image or share it via email?

thanks, Dan
dhead68@hotmail.com
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: 1972V21Cuda on April 26, 2021, 10:04:56 PM
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on April 26, 2021, 08:24:25 PM
Now we need a correct chart that shows all combinations of shaker/no shaker, 22"/26" radiators, and the engine codes with the correct hoses as per the broadcast sheets. Unfortunately, it appears that not all hose numbers are available in repro so you may have to deviate from the broadcast sheet and go with what you can buy.

FYI - that chart earlier in the thread came from one of the E-body restoration books and is not reliable due to errors and omissions.

I had that book around for years & it's full of errors. I'll have to check my David Wise books.
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: 6bblgt on April 26, 2021, 10:37:37 PM
all the 1970 HEMI 'cuda & Challenger R/T b'cast sheets I looked at have "13" for inlet hose (UPPER) * with and without SHAKER hoods

all the 1970 440+6 'cuda & Challenger R/T w/N96 & 26" radiator b'cast sheets I looked at have "57" for inlet hose (UPPER)

all the 1970 440+6 'cuda & Challenger R/T w/N96 & 22" radiator b'cast sheets I looked at have "16" for inlet hose (UPPER)
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: B5fourspeed on April 27, 2021, 08:35:15 AM
Thank you for all the replies.
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: MoparCarGuy on April 27, 2021, 08:51:38 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 26, 2021, 08:46:54 PM
@MoparCarGuy (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/moparcarguy_1103)  you have a pic of a b'cast sheet for a "U"-code 440HP 'cuda?  can you post an image or share it via email?

thanks, Dan
dhead68@hotmail.com

Yes, here is a non-Shaker, cuda440 broadcast sheet (BS23U0B276445) and its fender tag. Radiator is 26" 2998956 and upper radiator hose 2863257.
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: usraptor on April 27, 2021, 04:21:12 PM
Here's the BCS for my '70 Cuda N96 440 4-speed "U" code 26" radiator and it also shows the "57" radiator hose.
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: usraptor on April 27, 2021, 04:25:30 PM
Question.  When looking at the radiator hoses on Roseville, the "57" hose does not have a Penstar while the others do.  Is this factory correct?
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: 6bblgt on April 27, 2021, 07:54:33 PM
@MoparCarGuy (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/moparcarguy_1103) thanks, I misinterpreted your post - I thought you were claiming knowledge of a 440HP 4bbl 'cuda w/SHAKER  :twothumbsup:  I've never seen one   :drinkingbud:

then  :takealook:  @usraptor (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/usraptor_90)    :twothumbsup:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: 6bblgt on April 27, 2021, 08:00:48 PM
& it's YELLOW!!!  :banana:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: anlauto on April 28, 2021, 04:59:39 AM
This is so great, not only do I think we answered the original poster's question....we all learned a little in this thread too.....man I love this site. :grouphug:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: B5fourspeed on April 29, 2021, 09:26:12 AM
Alan, the car is a N code four speed that I bought as a shell.It was B5 blue.I am dropping a  440 in it and adding a shaker hood.I am waiting for the motor to come back from the machine shop.Everything else is done.
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: usraptor on May 10, 2021, 01:24:10 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 27, 2021, 08:00:48 PM
& it's YELLOW!!!  :banana:

Sorry, it was yellow.  Now it's triple black.   
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: 6bblgt on May 10, 2021, 08:10:54 PM
Quote from: usraptor on May 10, 2021, 01:24:10 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 27, 2021, 08:00:48 PM
& it's YELLOW!!!  :banana:

Sorry, it was yellow.  Now it's triple black.

after I made the post, I went thru your build thread again - I had seen them before but previously didn't know it was a FY1 N96 E86 car  :wowzers:   :drinkingbud:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: fuscobros on May 11, 2021, 12:17:54 PM
If anyone is interested my 71 Cuda 383 original shaker with a 26" radiator shows a 57 for the inlet (upper) radiator hose on the broadcast sheet.


What's with all my pics posting sideways????
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: MoparCarGuy on May 11, 2021, 01:29:37 PM
What is the VIN for your 1971 383 N96 Cuda? BS23N1B345740?
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: anlauto on May 11, 2021, 01:37:38 PM
That would be my guess...cool car  :drooling:
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: fuscobros on May 11, 2021, 02:17:06 PM
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on May 11, 2021, 01:29:37 PM
What is the VIN for your 1971 383 N96 Cuda? BS23N1B345740?

Yes. That's correct.
Title: Re: Cuda upper radiator hose
Post by: MoparCarGuy on May 11, 2021, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: fuscobros on May 11, 2021, 02:17:06 PM
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on May 11, 2021, 01:29:37 PM
What is the VIN for your 1971 383 N96 Cuda? BS23N1B345740?

Yes. That's correct.
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