SE A47 Code

[440SE]

I thought I had an SE, but not sure now after seeing an episode of Graveyard Cars where Worman noted a reproduction fender tag for an RT/SE car. In this episode, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0HmgzDDbbE, at time marker 32:21, they go through at RT/SE fender tag.  Mark notes that it is missing code A47 for the SE order and says the fender tag on the car is a reproduction that missed the code, and they know it came with SE package because they had the broadcast sheet.

My car does not have A47 on the fender tag and I don't have the broadcast sheet. See attached pic for my fender tag.  It has options for a lot of the features that came with an SE, but not the A47 code. I also can't find A47 in the manual decoder list of options on the group website.

Was A47 an option code only for RT/SE cars?  I found this order sheet from Hamtramck that shows JS29 price class for non R/T car was by default a Special Edition.  https://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/OrderingInformation/1970/P13%201970%20D%20Code%20List.jpg Is this correct in showing any standard Challenger with JS29 price class is by default an SE and would not require an A47 order code?

Thanks



 

[pschlosser]

The "29" in JH29L0E114126 makes your car an RT/SE Challenger.

If you have the fender tag, then show us some images of it.  Many of us can spot a reproduction.  If you have a fender tag and it looks original... it probably is.

[318Stroker]

The "29" in JH29L0E114126 makes your car an RT/SE Challenger.

If you have the fender tag, then show us some images of it.  Many of us can spot a reproduction.  If you have a fender tag and it looks original... it probably is.

That is not correct. Rest assured your car is an SE. Your car is a JH29 which is a standard SE, but not an R/T SE. An R/T SE is a JS29. As for the A47 package, that is not a Challenger package code. It is a package code for SE Chargers.

Don't believe everything that Mark Worman says as fact. I've heard him spout more than one "fact" that I absolutely knew was totally incorrect.

[RUNCHARGER]

Yeah Worman is not to be listened to.

[ec_co]

It was entertaining watching Mark and Steven go back and forth on codes, Mark being occasionally wrong but arguing anyways.

[MoparCarGuy]

Here are two fender tags, both LA-Assembly. The first is a 383 RT/SE scheduled one day prior to yours. The second is a 440 RT/SE scheduled two days after yours.
Your V1G - Gator Grain vinyl top is RARE.

[70_440-6Cuda]

Very interesting read... And surprising to learn the experts aren't always such experts.  I have learned to ask multiple times to confirm the right version of a part and am still often wrong!

[R/T's 4 R/P]

Off topic...but man I would love that F8 U-code car!

[440SE]

The "29" in JH29L0E114126 makes your car an RT/SE Challenger.

If you have the fender tag, then show us some images of it.  Many of us can spot a reproduction.  If you have a fender tag and it looks original... it probably is.

[pschlosser]

thanks for sharing the fender tag.  It's not an obvious fake.  

But it's not an obvious original tag, either.  I would expect more wear and damage to the fender tag, such as creases and rust.

Further, I'd expect to see at least one of the screws painted the same way as the plate.  

And lastly, I would expect to see the plate painted with a solid color and oxidized and aged accordingly.  This one appears to be airbrushed in assorted colors to give it... an aged appearance.

I bet the underside is clean, but it shouldn't be.  What does the painted fender look like below the tag?

That said, the current fender tag is convincing as an original.  Maybe we shouldn't dig further, and leave it at that?

[70_440-6Cuda]

One thing I noticed is the edges of the tag seem to match the patina of the surrounding fender exactly, so I am wondering if the "airbrushed" appearance is just the patina over time, plus the influence of the camera?  The screws look pretty original in style, but agree it is odd there is no paint on them.   I am a total amateur though so just an observation.  I just like following these things to learn as much as I can, but I would be curious to see the underside.

That is one thing I am bummed about not having is the fender tag but at least with the broadcast sheet I can make an accurate repop I suppose

[R/T's 4 R/P]

That tag looks real to me.
Crease mark is correct.
Color on tags is very inconsistent as the tag could have been facing away from the direction of painting...and FK5 is a very transparent paint so a light coat would be normal.
Also, why fake a tag for a non-R/T, 383, auto car?

[ec_co]

Everything is packed away so I can't check, and I'm sure others have better knowledge - does the font size/type match the LA style? There is a variation between the two plants and I can't remember if it was for all years or if it was just 70 that was slightly different. All of the metal reproductions I've seen use the hamtramck size/font style.

This is my very early la production tag as an example of the font. Compare the #2 and 3. I'm going to say it's a fake tag, unless they changed the font mid production cycle - @cuda hunter may have some insight on font change over times?

[EV2RTSE]

Both fonts were used in LA but as far as I know the thin font from LA was never used in Hamtramck.

[ec_co]

Both fonts were used in LA but as far as I know the thin font from LA was never used in Hamtramck.

Good knowledge to know, I didn't know they used both at the LA plant.