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Four speed wiring question

Started by Mr Lee, November 27, 2019, 06:24:26 AM

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Mr Lee

Hey all,
I am converting my '70 Challenger 383 from an automatic to 4 speed manual and am a little unsure of how to hook up the wires, even after staring at the wiring diagrams in the service manual for awhile now.   Please see attached photos - I numbered all the connections to make it easier:

I believe:
1 goes to the transmission
3 goes to the bulkhead connector (plugs in next to the 3 spd wiper motor)
Does #6 go to 2?  And if so, does the #7 light bulb socket go to the chrome revers light bezel?  Because that bezel already has a light socket inside it... and if I pull that light socket out of the chrome bezel, and try to put the #7 socket in there, it is a little too fat to go into the chrome bezel.   
Two leads from the dash wiring harness (not pictured) go to 4 and 5?
#8 (the wire coming off of the light socket in the chrome bezel doesn't have a connector on it, it's just stranded wire on the end so I'm not sure what to do with that? 
Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.
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Chryco Psycho

You are correct
3 is the bulkhead
1 is the trans ,
2 is the reverse light on the dash

JS29

@Mr Lee 4 and 5 appear to be for the brake lights.  :alan2cents:


Chryco Psycho

Correct Pink & white wires to 4 & 5 for brake lights
the 6 & 7 wire is a duplicate of the 8 wire so you can add a connector to the end of the wire or use the 6 & 7 wire

Chryco Psycho

You may want to add the clutch safety switch but it will be over $200 , this will connect to the start relay from the clutch pedal or you can ground the second terminal at the start relay & it will start without depressing the clutch
I have rigged up a clutch safety switch using a brake light switch & a second bracket , this will prevent it starting without depressing the clutch & save you $200 +

anlauto

Great questions, great pictures, Mr. Psycho has answered every thing....I have nothing to add.....EXCEPT....I think your clutch rod appears to be on upside down....See in your picture one side appears flatter then the other....I believe that side should rest against the pedal....however without seeing the other end, I could be wrong...
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Mr Lee

Cool.  Thanks to all for the help and input.

Regarding the clutch safety switch... thanks for the tip on how to do a budget one.  I will keep that in mind if I decide to put one in.  Haven't decided yet.   I was told that holding the clutch in while starting the motor is bad for the throw-out bearing, but I don't really know why.  ?

Regarding the Pink and white wires, which one goes to which terminal on the brake pedals?  Why are there two terminals?  One completes the circuit to turn the brake lights on.  What does the other one do?  I think the other one breaks a circuit for something? 

Regarding the clutch rod installation - I think I tried the rod both ways but it seemed to fit better this way but I am gonna include a pic of the other end.   
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anlauto

I believe the rod should flip over and flip around with the bottom end at the top etc... :alan2cents:
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JonH

I am pretty sure that the brake light wires can go on either way as it is just completing the circuit. As for putting in a clutch safety switch, the first time you or someone else reaches in and starts the car in gear, and it runs into a wall (or something else), you will wish you had it connected. Starting with the clutch depressed does not affect the throw out bearing. What it could affect would be the crank thrust bearing as you are pushing the crank forward in the block with the clutch depressed.

Chryco Psycho

True the brake wires are just a switch in the circuit so it doesn't matter which wire goes to which terminal

Mr Lee

Quote from: Chryco Psycho on November 27, 2019, 06:37:18 AM
You may want to add the clutch safety switch but it will be over $200 , this will connect to the start relay from the clutch pedal or you can ground the second terminal at the start relay & it will start without depressing the clutch
I have rigged up a clutch safety switch using a brake light switch & a second bracket , this will prevent it starting without depressing the clutch & save you $200 +

Chryco,  by any chance do you have a photo of your homemade clutch safety switch setup?
Remember, wherever you go, there you are.


Chryco Psycho

Sorry no
I just made a small bracket , bolted so that the brake light switch touched the clutch pedal , you didn't have to move the pedal very far for the car to start but at least it would not start without depressing the pedal an inch or 2

Mr Lee

OK.  I wound up doing something similar except I used a door switch.  At least it will prevent me from just reaching into the car and starting it without my foot on the clutch. 
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anlauto

Hey that's a ingenious idea I love it ! :twothumbsup:
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Mr Lee

Thanks.
I was hearing the metal to metal contact "click" when the clutch went fully home and I didn't like that, so I cut up a headlight spring with the dremel tool and put it on the pushrod of the door switch, which helped.   Then took a piece of rubber and taped it to the clutch arm there to soften it even more.  Now it's nice and quiet.  No more clicking! : )

(oh and I turned my clutch rod around as per your recommendations.  Good eye!  Thanks)
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