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Started by Shane Kelley, August 18, 2017, 07:35:22 AM

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Shane Kelley

So I decided to drop from 3.91 to 3.55 in my Cuda. The 3.91 was the unit that came in the car when I got it. It made a lot of noise. I set it up when I restored everything but it must have been worn out of specs. Damn thing was still making a bunch of noise. So after thinking on it I decided to change ratios since I'm doing a complete build. Even though I loved to way it ran with them. But I live way out in the sticks and driving to town was just to annoying running those big rpm's constant. Not to mention eating a lot of fuel. RPM dropped from 4000 rpm @ 70 mph down to 3500 rpm @ 70 mph. Lost 1/2 second from 0-60 but 1/4 time remained pretty much the same. No noticeable seat of the pants power lose. New gears are dead silent.

I dissembled a 489 case, cleaned, bead blasted and power coated it cast iron. I went with the cast iron on this one instead of the red oxide for Alan.  :pokeeye: 

Replaced everything. All the parts came from Dr. Diff.
Forged yoke-Billet crush sleeve eliminator-3.55 large spline ring and pinion-new sure grip unit- All new Timken bearings and races. Total cost including shipping. $850.00

Cuda Cody

Nice job man, that looks great!   :clapping:  The 3.55 gears are one of the best. 

Shane Kelley

Quote from: Cuda Cody on August 18, 2017, 07:39:35 AM
Nice job man, that looks great!   :clapping:  The 3.55 gears are one of the best.

Thanks!
They are the best overall gear for sure. But I like to play hard as you know.   :burnout:  With the 3.91 it keeps the rpm's closer between shifts and keeps the engine at peak power. You have a little more rpm drop with the 3.55. Not a huge deal.  But as you know it's the little thing's that make one car stronger than another.


303 Mopar

That's beautiful!  I love 3.55's, even in my Cuda with a Passon 4 spd OD they are a really nice gear.

oldmoparbuff

I like the way the powder coat turned out.
Did you coat and bake or send out? :)

Shane Kelley

Quote from: oldmoparbuff on August 18, 2017, 09:34:03 AM
I like the way the powder coat turned out.
Did you coat and bake or send out? :)
I do all my own powder coating. I'm limited to the size of the oven. This 3rd member is about as big as I can do. It's awesome for brackets and pulleys. I use the Eastwood kit and powders. Works great! The Hot Rod Textured black is another favorite I use a lot. I used cast iron on this. As you can see it's almost a perfect match to blasted cast iron. Very durable also.

LinceCuda

Looks great nice job. I was up in the air on what I was going with gear wise 3.91 or 3.55. from what you say and some of the other replies seems like the 3.55 would be best.


cudabob496

will you be adjusting pinion angle, once the rear is in?
72 Cuda, owned for 27 years, 496, solid roller, 3500 stall, 3.91 gears, ported Stage VI heads, 3 inch X-pipe exhaust, 850 DP, ram air setup, fuel cell, batt in trunk,
Wilwood brakes, Weld wheels, MT ET Street tires, fiberglass hood, Alum radiator.

Shane Kelley

Quote from: cudabob496 on August 21, 2017, 07:33:20 PM
will you be adjusting pinion angle, once the rear is in?
I already did that before this 3rd member build.  I believe I used 15 degree shims.

cudabob496

Quote from: Shane Kelley on August 22, 2017, 03:37:25 AM
Quote from: cudabob496 on August 21, 2017, 07:33:20 PM
will you be adjusting pinion angle, once the rear is in?
I already did that before this 3rd member build.  I believe I used 15 degree shims.

15 seems like a lot
the Mopar kit only comes in 1, 2, and 3 degree
72 Cuda, owned for 27 years, 496, solid roller, 3500 stall, 3.91 gears, ported Stage VI heads, 3 inch X-pipe exhaust, 850 DP, ram air setup, fuel cell, batt in trunk,
Wilwood brakes, Weld wheels, MT ET Street tires, fiberglass hood, Alum radiator.

Shane Kelley

Quote from: cudabob496 on August 22, 2017, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: Shane Kelley on August 22, 2017, 03:37:25 AM
Quote from: cudabob496 on August 21, 2017, 07:33:20 PM
will you be adjusting pinion angle, once the rear is in?
I already did that before this 3rd member build.  I believe I used 15 degree shims.

15 seems like a lot
the Mopar kit only comes in 1, 2, and 3 degree

They are not Mopar.  I will have to check to be sure how many degrees I used. I did this 5 years ago before I took the car apart. I had replaced the rear springs and it really jacked the pinion angle. It was aiming up instead of down. Imagine how high it was going when I was standing on the throttle. So I used some bigger shims. There is no set size for applications. The angle needs to be checked and set accordingly. I will look through my notes and get back with you.


Shane Kelley

The ideal pinion angle is 3-4 degrees nose down. I checked mine and I have a 7 degree shim in the car and the pinion is setting at 2 degrees down. So I need a little more. I'm going to be changing leaf springs before long and will address pinion angle once I make the change. I am also running lowered front spring mounts which also messses with the pinion angle.

nsmall

@LinceCuda

Do you drive on any highways or freeways?  I chose 355 (had 276) and really like them.  I drive in town mostly, but do get on the freeway and they are a little much for the freeway, but its not miserable by any means.  I like to have fun and floor it so 355 seem to be the best compromise and I am glad I didn't chose any lower. 

Thanks for sharing Shane.  You are really talented. 

LinceCuda

Quote from: nsmall on August 23, 2017, 10:38:16 PM
@LinceCuda

Do you drive on any highways or freeways?  I chose 355 (had 276) and really like them.  I drive in town mostly, but do get on the freeway and they are a little much for the freeway, but its not miserable by any means.  I like to have fun and floor it so 355 seem to be the best compromise and I am glad I didn't chose any lower. 

Thanks for sharing Shane.  You are really talented.

Most of my time will also be in town with a little freeway here and there. From what you say and what others here have posted in this thread I've made my decision I'll go with the 3.55. I believed that ratio matched with my 4-speed should make for some fun cruising. Thanks for the input.

Mickm

Great job Shane!

Cheers!
Mickm