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Which model of oil pan valid for my big block 440

Started by THE ZUKE, February 17, 2019, 04:02:42 AM

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THE ZUKE

Hello guys  ;)

I have to change the oil pan because it's dead.

I guess one day someone lifted the engine with a jack.

I don't think that whoever is installed can be put in shape.

According to you what would be the best compromise (quality / price).

If it will be possible, in the same color  :)

When I look for on US WEB sites, there are so many models.

Thank you for your answers.

70 Challenger Lover

I'd stick with the factory style rather than an aftermarket one like Milodon. I think the one you want is stamped 402 on the bottom but not 100% sure.  Don't forget to get the inspection cover for the bottoms of the transmission bell housing. You don't want to run without one.

GrandpaKevin

I would go with the 6 quart factory type big block/Hemi oil pan and matching oil pickup.

There are a number of vendors selling them.
http://store.440source.com/1970-71-Hemi-E-Body-6-Quart-Oil-Pan/productinfo/200%2D1123/

With any new steel oil pan you will have to paint it the color of your choice.

Also get rid of the Fram oil filter  :alan2cents:
https://forum.e-bodies.org/engine-transmission-and-rear-end/4/oil-filter-101-must-watch-if-you-buy-or-have-bought-fram-filters/9788/


cuda hunter

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RUNCHARGER

Yes a 440 E-body is supposed to have a "Hemi" style pan like that 440source one. A 402 pan is smaller than what the factory put on the 440s in an E-body. Also order a windage tray and the matching pickup tube.
Sheldon

THE ZUKE

To follow your advice, I went to look for the oil pan number.

It isn't 402 but 971. The engine is at least 1973 (440 source information).

My car is a swap not a matching, the original motor was a 318 CI.

HP2

Remove and repair the pan you have is  the most economical option.


THE ZUKE

Quote from: RUNCHARGER on February 17, 2019, 08:14:19 AM
Yes a 440 E-body is supposed to have a "Hemi" style pan like that 440source one. A 402 pan is smaller than what the factory put on the 440s in an E-body. Also order a windage tray and the matching pickup tube.

What are you talking about ? "Also order a windage tray and the matching pickup tube".

THE ZUKE

Quote from: HP2 on February 17, 2019, 08:20:23 AM
Remove and repair the pan you have is  the most economical option.

Sure but I'm not sure it will be possible because of it is well depressed and deformed. :verymad:

THE ZUKE

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I think this one is probably the same than mine : https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/mor-20765/overview/ or here the same : https://www.yearone.com/Product/challenger-cuda/m0r20765#prettyPhoto

MOROSO 971 for big block B/RB

For the gasket ( https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/mah-os31416/overview/year/1970/make/plymouth/model/cuda ), I think this one will be good for the 971 oil pan ?

What do think about it ?

HP2

Metal and be shrunk or stretched with the proper tools. Unlike a body panel, an oil pan doesn't not have to be perfectly smooth. It simply must have the proper clearance between the bottom of the pan and the pick up screen. This can be easily restored with shrinking hammers, dollys, and some careful work on the bottom of the pan. Worst case, if it can't be shrunk with a hammer, it can have a small slice made in it to remove the stretched metal and welding it back up to restore the gap. It isn't difficult, but it does take some effort. The cost of that effort compared to buying and shipping a new pan to France can only be decided by you.


GrandpaKevin

Quote from: THE ZUKE on February 17, 2019, 08:23:04 AM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on February 17, 2019, 08:14:19 AM
Yes a 440 E-body is supposed to have a "Hemi" style pan like that 440source one. A 402 pan is smaller than what the factory put on the 440s in an E-body. Also order a windage tray and the matching pickup tube.

What are you talking about ? "Also order a windage tray and the matching pickup tube".

Matching pickup tube is the correct length "tube" connected to the oil pump that goes down inside the oil pan and sucks the oil out of the pan into the engine.
The pickup tube must match the oil pan.
http://store.440source.com/Oil-Pickup-Tube-5-Deep-Sump-3_8-thread/productinfo/121%2D1055/

This is a windage tray, you can read the description in the link.
http://store.440source.com/Windage-Trays/products/58/
The windage tray is not totally needed but a good idea for a performance engine. Your engine might already have one, if not, buy and install one with the new oil pan.

THE ZUKE

Quote from: HP2 on February 17, 2019, 08:48:12 AM
Metal and be shrunk or stretched with the proper tools. Unlike a body panel, an oil pan doesn't not have to be perfectly smooth. It simply must have the proper clearance between the bottom of the pan and the pick up screen. This can be easily restored with shrinking hammers, dollys, and some careful work on the bottom of the pan. Worst case, if it can't be shrunk with a hammer, it can have a small slice made in it to remove the stretched metal and welding it back up to restore the gap. It isn't difficult, but it does take some effort. The cost of that effort compared to buying and shipping a new pan to France can only be decided by you.

I agree with you, before ordering I will ask a friend bodybuilder if he can do the work and for what price with paint.

I'm not able to do that by myself.  ::)

THE ZUKE

Quote from: GrandpaKevin on February 17, 2019, 09:06:48 AM
Quote from: THE ZUKE on February 17, 2019, 08:23:04 AM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on February 17, 2019, 08:14:19 AM
Yes a 440 E-body is supposed to have a "Hemi" style pan like that 440source one. A 402 pan is smaller than what the factory put on the 440s in an E-body. Also order a windage tray and the matching pickup tube.

What are you talking about ? "Also order a windage tray and the matching pickup tube".

Matching pickup tube is the correct length "tube" connected to the oil pump that goes down inside the oil pan and sucks the oil out of the pan into the engine.
The pickup tube must match the oil pan.
http://store.440source.com/Oil-Pickup-Tube-5-Deep-Sump-3_8-thread/productinfo/121%2D1055/

This is a windage tray, you can read the description in the link.
http://store.440source.com/Windage-Trays/products/58/
The windage tray is not totally needed but a good idea for a performance engine. Your engine might already have one, if not, buy and install one with the new oil pan.

Actually, I don't know because I have never dismantled the oil pan. I'll see when everything is disassembled.
Thanks for the explanations and links. :twothumbsup:

RUNCHARGER

You can work the dent out with a block of wood and a hammer. However if your current pan has baffles in it, they will have to be cut out and then welded back in to let you do the bodywork. That 440source pan is dirt cheap and won't show signs of being repaired.
Sheldon