Turkey and Covid?

[torredcuda]

My opinion is that if 86% of America is vaccinated then no one should be getting covid or getting it and going to the hospital. 
If the vaccine works.
But the facts that are out there appear to be quite different. 
At the moment covid is "surging" in majority vaccinated (blue) states.  And they are all wearing masks, social distancing and behaving like sheep. Why is this the case?  If the vaccine works?

It's already been beat to death (horse that is).

The vaccine won't prevent you from getting covid if you catch it.  It will keep you alive.

I got it back in Aug.  I'd be dead now if I wasn't vaccinated.

Again, we will NEVER get over this pandemic as long as people refuse to get vaccinated and turn this killer into something like a common cold.

How many boosters are you going to get and how often? How about those with natural immunity which some studies say is much better than vaccine immunity? According to what Fauci and the CDC said months ago we should already have enough percentage of people vaccinated to have slowed down infections so why are there still record numbers of cases in certain areas, it is not just the unvaccinated causing that?

I have no doubt my wife`s aunt would still be alive if she had not received the J & J vaccine.

[torredcuda]

Keep moving those goal posts farther away - "In the pandemic's early days, Dr. Fauci tended to cite the same 60 to 70 percent estimate that most experts did. About a month ago, he began saying "70, 75 percent" in television interviews. And last week, in an interview with CNBC News, he said "75, 80, 85 percent" and "75 to 80-plus percent."

In a telephone interview the next day, Dr. Fauci acknowledged that he had slowly but deliberately been moving the goal posts. He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks."

[cuda hunter]

Can you link that page please?

That is a drastic difference from the reports here. 

[torredcuda]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html

[Mr Lee]

... extremely rare in children yet they are pushing vaccines for 5-11 yr olds - why?

Right now in Ontario Canada, the highest number of cases is among school age children...there's more outbreaks in schools then anywhere else.

Thats really strange that canada has so many young people getting it. But are any of them dying of it? 


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[torredcuda]

... extremely rare in children yet they are pushing vaccines for 5-11 yr olds - why?

Right now in Ontario Canada, the highest number of cases is among school age children...there's more outbreaks in schools then anywhere else.

Thats really strange that canada has so many young people getting it. But are any of them dying of it? 


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98% of kids get symptoms more like the common cold, less than 2% hospitalized and .03% died in US, here is Canada -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/

[torredcuda]

Almost as many die from the regular flu every year -
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-1.4975466

[anlauto]

98% of kids get symptoms more like the common cold, less than 2% hospitalized and .03% died in US, here is Canada -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/

Those numbers are likely true, but guess what...it's not kids dying we are worried about, these kids come home from school and give it to their siblings, their parents and even Grandparents...and so on and so on....vaccines are meant to slow the virus spread and keep people out of the hospital, so why not give it to the little kids that a super spreaders ?

I'm guessing schools around here will be shut down again by March break

[Brads70]

Those " numbers" never appeared here till they pushed for/came up with a  vac for 5 and up. Funny coincidence huh? Last year there was virtually none? Why is that?
I've never heard ( thankfully!) of kids dying from this but lots injured or worse from the vac though.
I'm no virologist /doctor/scientist but this is so not necessary for kids IMO
Saying" the vaccine saved me" could be true but also might not be either? Pretty subjective statement. Its like saying I installed snow tires and thats the reason I never got in an accident last winter. 

[anlauto]

Those " numbers" never appeared here till they pushed for/came up with a  vac for 5 and up. Funny coincidence huh? Last year there was virtually none? Why is that?
I've never heard ( thankfully!) of kids dying from this but lots injured or worse from the vac though.
I'm no virologist /doctor/scientist but this is so not necessary for kids IMO
Saying" the vaccine saved me" could be true but also might not be either? Pretty subjective statement. Its like saying I installed snow tires and thats the reason I never got in an accident last winter.

Mainly that info wasn't the focus (old folks homes were the hot spots)....kids were NOT in school, or sports etc...now they are and the numbers are climbing fast.
Face it...like it or not, we're heading towards another lock down....if having everybody vaccinated can avoid that...I'm all for it....

Pretty soon they will make it a LAW requiring snow tires as well    ask our friends in Quebec.

[DeathProofCuda]

98% of kids get symptoms more like the common cold, less than 2% hospitalized and .03% died in US, here is Canada -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/

Those numbers are likely true, but guess what...it's not kids dying we are worried about, these kids come home from school and give it to their siblings, their parents and even Grandparents...and so on and so on....vaccines are meant to slow the virus spread and keep people out of the hospital, so why not give it to the little kids that a super spreaders ?

I'm guessing schools around here will be shut down again by March break

I'm just amazed, and thankful, that my kid's school has remained open for as long as it has this year.  When they resumed full-time in-person school this September I was betting that they'd be shut down and sending kids back home for on-line classes by mid-October.  They had one reported Covid case in my son's class several weeks back, and luckily the school didn't over-react and shut down or even force all the kids from that class into a two week quarantine.  The kid that was sick is now back in class and no reports of any other classmates getting sick.

[cuda hunter]

I feel the issue is that all the old people are in control and do not care about the young people or their health. All that matters is free health care and everybody get vaxxed to save the old guys.
  I speak to many old guys in my trade and all they care about is health and retirement.  No pennies for anyone else younger than them in society.  The divide has become a chasm.   Since all the old guys are now living longer due to better health care they are in control of everything.  Go back just a little bit in history and you will find that most of these old guys that are in control would have been dead already 80 years ago.  Bringing in younger people and fresher perspectives. 
  Of course all this is being driven by an upcoming Technocracy.  If we make it past a civil war and WWIII with our enemy china. 

Technocracy is a proposed system of government in which the decision-maker or makers are selected on the basis of their expertise in a given area of responsibility, particularly with regard to scientific or technical knowledge. This system explicitly contrasts with representative democracy, the notion that elected representatives should be the primary decision-makers in government.

[cuda hunter]

Here are some great reads about the censorship that facebook/meta is involved with.  "fact checking" is opinion.   They are literally opinionating the public about Covid when none of those clucks are doctors on the facebook/meta chain of command.

If you don't like the source's, please search and you will find plenty on this subject. 


https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/13/facebook-quietly-admits-its-third-party-fact-checks-are-opinions/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=facebook-quietly-admits-its-third-party-fact-checks-are-opinions

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/john-stossel-sues-facebook-1235019248/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Facebook-admits-its-fact-check-is-opinion-page-2.pdf

"In its latest legal battle with TV journalist John Stossel... Facebook, now rebranded and referred to as "Meta," claims that its "fact-checking" program should not be the target of a defamation suit because its attempts to regulate content are done by third-party organizations who are entitled to their "opinion."

Facebook went on to complain that Stossel's problem isn't with the Silicon Valley giants' "labels" on his content but with the obscure organizations that Facebook employs to do its "fact-checking" dirty work.

"The labels themselves are neither false nor defamatory; to the contrary, they constitute protected opinion," Facebook admitted."

[torredcuda]

My 87 yr old mother is vaccinated and she knows that my family is not, we obviuosly have put off going to see her since we`ve been sick but once we are over it it will her decision if she wants us to visit or not. Of course it would be different if we lived in the same house, not sure how I would handle that situation.

[cuda hunter]

This is a quote from a member on a different forum.  I am impressed with his assessment.  Thought I would post it here.

BTW, I live on the border in San Diego. About 12 miles North as a crow flies. We have illegals in the brush all over out here. There hasn't been a huge spike in Covid and I would say the rate is probably what it is in the rest of the US. WHich proves the numbers are inflated and everyone is overreacting about the Scamdemic. I think it's a bad flu-type illness that has taken out a lot of vulnerable people, like the Flu does every year, but I think in reality it fell short of "Pandemic" status so the controllers had to push it over the edge into "Pandemic" status. The metrice of the wave of illness was inflated and manipulated to MAKE it a pandemic.
From the beginning the controllers have been WANTING more deaths to come out of this thing. They sent people home to wait till symptoms got worse, then they would croak. No z-packs, no advice on taking Vitamin D, drinking water, or anything. Go home and die. Now, it's evident that if you do some basic therapeutics people have a 99.99% chance of survival.
No time ever did the people responsible for "guiding" us through this said to eat healthy, lose weight, get your health in order. It was shut downs, mask mandates, shelter in place, and take these shot that are experimental and have been well documented to have very serious side effects.
The controllers have become richer and gained more power. That is the motivation for making a bad flu turn into a manufactured pandemic. Brought to you by Pharmaceutical Companies, Government, and your choice of News Outlet.

Don't call me a conspiracy theorist. This isn't theory. It's fact.