Turkey and Covid?

[torredcuda]

Straight from Phizer - myocarditis and pericarditis in some people who received the vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsGLNNewJlU

[worthywads]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBGl8MVE-c

DR. John Campbell says "MASKS are critical, NOT political.

[torredcuda]

 A guy at my wife`s work is "that guy", you know the one that drives around by himself with a mask on, always wears it at work, constantly using hand sanitizer, wouldn`t go near anyone who is not vaccinated etc. - still got covid. Sure you can blame it on others not wearing a mask or not being vaccinated but I`ve seen way too much spread when we were ALL wearing masks, social distancing, disinfecting surfaces every hour etc., didn`t make one bit of difference that I saw.

[cuda hunter]

Small study size only 500,000 but pretty solid findings that covid itself is causing a lot of blood clotting and cerebral venous thrombosis CVT.

8-10 times more CVT among covid survivors vs vaccinated.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/study-covid-much-more-likely-vaccines-cause-blood-clots

"The researchers are not claiming that vaccines do not increase the risk at all compared to the risk in people who have not been vaccinated and have also not had COVID-19—but they say the CVT risk in people who have had COVID-19 is about 100 times the risk in the general population," he said. "I do think this puts things into context."

Could be possible that if you already had covid and have developed CVT you may increase risk if vaccinated?  Am I critically thinking? 

Interesting how that leads us in two directions that have not really been talked about.

[worthywads]

A guy at my wife`s work is "that guy", you know the one that drives around by himself with a mask on, always wears it at work, constantly using hand sanitizer, wouldn`t go near anyone who is not vaccinated etc. - still got covid. Sure you can blame it on others not wearing a mask or not being vaccinated but I`ve seen way too much spread when we were ALL wearing masks, social distancing, disinfecting surfaces every hour etc., didn`t make one bit of difference that I saw.

I go back to this graph and conclude people's behaviors definitely have produced different death rates.  You can't convince me that nothing has produced any differences.  Republicans and Democrats have done different things and gotten different results, this isn't random, something mattered.

Ignore the vaccination graph, just the death graph shows behavior gets different results, I don't know if it's more of "that guy", but yes people in Trump counties are dying way more.

[torredcuda]

No where near enough info on the people to make any conclusions, just because the area had more votes for Trump is pretty meaningless - ages, health, underlying conditions etc. have a lot more to do with covid outcome than who you voted for. Could it be the Trump voters are much older with health conditions and Biden voters are young and healthy, probably?

[Mopsquad]

Referring to the graph above.  You can have a few armchair scientists dissecting the demographics of Trump voters in those locations - Co-morbitities? Age? Fitness?  There are so many variables that can be somewhat relevant.

[worthywads]

No where near enough info on the people to make any conclusions, just because the area had more votes for Trump is pretty meaningless - ages, health, underlying conditions etc. have a lot more to do with covid outcome than who you voted for. Could it be the Trump voters are much older with health conditions and Biden voters are young and healthy, probably?

You have been using anecdotal evidence, this is almost every county in the country. 

Voter 65+ voted 52% Trump 47% Biden. That can not explain the huge difference.  You'd have to assume that most people over 65+ live concentrated into a smaller number of counties instead of living in the same counties as young people.

I assume probably old people live in every county.

[worthywads]

Referring to the graph above.  You can have a few armchair scientists dissecting the demographics of Trump voters in those locations - Co-morbitities? Age? Fitness?  There are so many variables that can be somewhat relevant.

I agree, number crunchers could potentially address the age issue.  What I've been saying is there must be relevant differences.  Understanding what was different is important, not concluding nothing we do matters.

They said this is the original study "The trend was robust, even when controlling for age, which is the primary demographic risk of COVID-19 mortality.",  but I don't see that mentioned in the Methodology.

[torredcuda]

The study only used data starting in May 2021 completely excluding over a year of covid deaths because no vaccine was available, I would like to see all deaths incuded to see what the difference is.

"The study only examined the geographic locations of Covid-related deaths. The political views of each person remain unknown."

I don`t doubt this is correct - "People in rural Republican areas, and white Republicans in general, tend to be more resistant to getting vaccinated. According to the latest data from the Kaiser Family Fund, the rate of Republican Covid vaccination has plateaued at 59%, while 91% of Democrats have been vaccinated."

But the data proves this to be false -  Liz Hamel, vice-president of public opinion and survey research at KFF, told NPR. "That's a real contrast with what we saw in communities of color, where there was a high level of worry about getting sick.""

"About 40% of Black people and 45% of Latinos have been at least partially vaccinated as of Aug. 16, compared to 50% of white people, according to the latest data by the Kaiser Family Foundation."

[JS29]

How meany ILLEGAL immigrants were secretly put in the heavily Trump supporters districts!!!   

[worthywads]

The study only used data starting in May 2021 completely excluding over a year of covid deaths because no vaccine was available, I would like to see all deaths incuded to see what the difference is.

"The study only examined the geographic locations of Covid-related deaths. The political views of each person remain unknown."

I don`t doubt this is correct - "People in rural Republican areas, and white Republicans in general, tend to be more resistant to getting vaccinated. According to the latest data from the Kaiser Family Fund, the rate of Republican Covid vaccination has plateaued at 59%, while 91% of Democrats have been vaccinated."

But the data proves this to be false -  Liz Hamel, vice-president of public opinion and survey research at KFF, told NPR. "That's a real contrast with what we saw in communities of color, where there was a high level of worry about getting sick.""

"About 40% of Black people and 45% of Latinos have been at least partially vaccinated as of Aug. 16, compared to 50% of white people, according to the latest data by the Kaiser Family Foundation."

Yes, it would also be interesting to see the data since the beginning of the pandemic.

But if it was mostly the elderly that died long before the pandemic started, there would be a lot less weaker elderly left to die once the vaccine was available.

From the excess death data I posted earlier approximately 600,000 extra deaths from Jan 1 2020 to May 1 2021.  We know 80% are 65+.  After May 1 there have been approximately 215,000 deaths through October.  It would be interesting to see if the average death age is gradually getting lower as those oldest weaker people have already died.

[cuda hunter]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cornell-partially-shuts-down-its-campus-due-to-nearly-500-covid-19-cases-in-possible-omicron-outbreak-11639514565

Omicron is now attacking the vaccinated. Colleges are going back on lock down for omicron.  Which doesn't kill anyone and is less likely to kill college aged folk. 

More than just cornell.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/how-omicron-pushed-cornell-into-red-alert.html

This is a power struggle.  These out breaks which are not killing anyone are not worthy of sending the young ones home. 

I can't imagine paying the prices for college and having the kids sent back home, again.  What a waste of money and time, 

[anlauto]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cornell-partially-shuts-down-its-campus-due-to-nearly-500-covid-19-cases-in-possible-omicron-outbreak-11639514565

Omicron is now attacking the vaccinated. Colleges are going back on lock down for omicron.  Which doesn't kill anyone and is less likely to kill college aged folk. 

More than just cornell.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/how-omicron-pushed-cornell-into-red-alert.html

This is a power struggle.  These out breaks which are not killing anyone are not worthy of sending the young ones home. 

I can't imagine paying the prices for college and having the kids sent back home, again.  What a waste of money and time,

Well yesterday I picked my son up from University, his exams have gone all on line, and it's still unclear whether they will be back in the classroom in January....personally, I think once ALL kids are home for the holidays, I don't think they will be boing back to school...I think it will be ALL on line learning again....just my opinion, and of course I can only speculate for my area..

[dodj]

How meany ILLEGAL immigrants were secretly put in the heavily Trump supporters districts!!! 

I don't live in your country, but, ..........this sounds pretty paranoid.