A 74 Challenger with a 318, auto, A/C and Rallye package just sold for $35,000. It looked good in the pictures. Has broadcast sheet but no mention of fender tag or numbers matching engine.
I'm waiting for this one on Saturday. Curious to see what it sells for or gets bid up to ? Mine has a 401 and a T56 so I would think maybe somewhat more desirable. I have no intension of selling just curious to "worth" and am hoping I won't be upside down on mine. I'll have just under 20k into mine when I'm done.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-485589/1972-amc-javelin/
The exhaust "sticks out" to me. I'd have to change it if it were mine. Also what's a set of door hinge pins worth wow! :rolleyes:
Didn't you know door hinge pins are on back order? Supply chain issues. :haha:
I thought this did well at $68,000
Quote from: blown motor on January 07, 2022, 12:57:03 PM
I thought this did well at $68,000
I'm surprised at that price.
Quote from: blown motor on January 07, 2022, 12:57:03 PM
I thought this did well at $68,000
Ya I agree ! Wow I don't think I've ever seen a 72-74 Challenger sell for that much! :bigmoney:
A couple more.
70 Cuda $115,000
73 Challenger custom $50,000 did not meet reserve
Quote from: Brads70 on January 06, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
I'm waiting for this one on Saturday. Curious to see what it sells for or gets bid up to ? Mine has a 401 and a T56 so I would think maybe somewhat more desirable. I have no intension of selling just curious to "worth" and am hoping I won't be upside down on mine. I'll have just under 20k into mine when I'm done.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-485589/1972-amc-javelin/
The exhaust "sticks out" to me. I'd have to change it if it were mine. Also what's a set of door hinge pins worth wow! :rolleyes:
Sold for $32K plus commission
I just checked all the results so far starting from Lot #1.....In my opinion, ALL the Mopar's are doing well...$22K for a 318 Scamp...not too shabby :twothumbsup:
Please school me guys. Why did blown motor say this sold for $68K when the results page shows it as $74,800.00?
Are the two figures one without and one with commissions/fess? Yeah, I broke down and registered just to see the numbers.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 09, 2022, 07:21:45 AM
Please school me guys. Why did blown motor say this sold for $68K when the results page shows it as $74,800.00?
Are the two figures one without and one with commissions/fess? Yeah, I broke down and registered just to see the numbers.
74.8k is with the commission
Yes 10% buyers fee...so you have to keep that in mind when buying...So if you go there to buy a car with a $74800 budget, you better STOP bidding at $68K :stop:
The bigger question is why the heck that Challenger sold for so much :bigmoney: :o
Quote from: kdcarman on January 09, 2022, 07:37:39 AM
74.8k is with the commission
Thanks for the clarification. :bigthumb:
Quote from: anlauto on January 09, 2022, 07:40:11 AM
Yes 10% buyers fee...so you have to keep that in mind when buying...So if you go there to buy a car with a $74800 budget, you better STOP bidding at $68K :stop:
The bigger question is why the heck that Challenger sold for so much :bigmoney: :o
Because Bruce Willis drove it in a movie. But I agree, $68K is a lot for a car that's missing the trim on the front of the hood and the vinyl roof seam goes down the middle.
Ewwwh! A holy wood car.
Made it sell for more than it's worth. Has to be what happened.
Nice car and all, but 75K?
I could buy a 71 cuda for that kind of coin.
Guess there is that one guy out there that likes the frowny face more than all the other ebodies.
Quote from: blown motor on January 09, 2022, 08:06:11 AM
Because Bruce Willis drove it in a movie.
Now will Google tell me which movie it was.
Edit: Survive the Night
Plus they ding you an extra 2% (12%) if you bid by phone or internet.
10% is the "in person" buyers fee.
There was a car I was interested in, but by the time I tried to guestimate the hammer price, plus buyers' fees, transport fees, gas surcharge fee for the transport, it was not a good fiscal move to try and purchase the car via the auction.
Today's e-body is an AAR Cuda sold for $82,000 plus buyer's premium.
I bought one of my Challengers at auction 10 years ago and did real well on it. At the time buyer premium was 6% and the auction was in my area, so the next day I drove it home. Transportation was about $10 in gas! :D
Later I felt I took chances and got away with it. The seller wasn't by the car, so I couldn't ask questions. You can't start or test drive the cars. The keys were tied to the steering column so I couldn't even open the trunk to inspect there. After I bought it, I found it had a perfect original trunk floor! :ohyeah: But no jack, space saver or inflator. :Thud:
They play a lot of games at the auctions including chandelier bidding cars up and even short hammering cars so the house can buy it cheap and flip later.
I see cars sell high at auction and show up soon after at a future auction. Buyer flake out, or phony sale to imply the auction was more successful than it really was in getting high sales prices for cars?
You can get a good deal on a good car if you do your homework and a little luck, but you can get burned too. So you need to go in with both eyes open if considering buying or selling at an auction. :alan2cents:
Quote from: blown motor on January 09, 2022, 12:32:33 PM
Today's e-body is an AAR Cuda sold for $82,000 plus buyer's premium.
$90,200 is strong money for that quality of a non-matching number AAR in my opinion....
How about a 6 cyl Gremlin for over $30 K :o https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-485921/1974-amc-gremlin-x/
Quote from: anlauto on January 09, 2022, 01:00:13 PM
Quote from: blown motor on January 09, 2022, 12:32:33 PM
Today's e-body is an AAR Cuda sold for $82,000 plus buyer's premium.
$90,200 is strong money for that quality of a non-matching number AAR in my opinion....
How about a 6 cyl Gremlin for over $30 K :o https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-485921/1974-amc-gremlin-x/
Looks like a gremlin my friends had. I think theirs was an automatic though.
I'll tell you what, their car got as much or more attention than any other cars at cruises. People loved it.
Malaise era cars coming on strong in the collector car market.
Quote from: anlauto on January 09, 2022, 01:00:13 PM
How about a 6 cyl Gremlin for over $30 K :o https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-485921/1974-amc-gremlin-x/
My Aunt bought a Levi edition Gremlin new, those probably draw extra money.
I talked with my cousin about it recently and she still has a Levi tote bag that came with the car. I told her she should check into it's worth, there is probably someone that wants that bag.
I go on the website and I can not find any of these cars in the lists.
What am I missing?
Can any of you link the cars?
Quote from: cuda hunter on January 09, 2022, 05:41:26 PM
I go on the website and I can not find any of these cars in the lists.
What am I missing?
Can any of you link the cars?
It's pretty simple ..click "view lots" then on the left hand side select Sunday 9th and scroll away.... :dunno:
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-506166/1970-plymouth-aar-cuda/
The good stuff doesn't run until next weekend :alan2cents:
alright, I went through the 11 pages and just missed the AAR. Must be because it's white.
I thought the page was missing them, turns out it's just me.
:cheers:
Looks like a real d21. ew1 and ew1. Cool no color combo.
BS23J0B296077
This AAR was for sale in Sarasota, FL last year. Asking price $ 69.999... :yes:
https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/3071503356412461/?media_id=4&ref=share_attachment
Fender tag:
Quote from: Smallblock340 on January 09, 2022, 11:40:53 PM
This AAR was for sale in Sarasota, FL last year. Asking price $ 69.999... :yes:
https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/3071503356412461/?media_id=4&ref=share_attachment
Fender tag:
Well they did alright then :banana:
Quote from: anlauto on January 09, 2022, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: cuda hunter on January 09, 2022, 05:41:26 PM
I go on the website and I can not find any of these cars in the lists.
What am I missing?
Can any of you link the cars?
It's pretty simple ..click "view lots" then on the left hand side select Sunday 9th and scroll away.... :dunno:
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-506166/1970-plymouth-aar-cuda/
The good stuff doesn't run until next weekend :alan2cents:
Also even easier is on the left hand side click "text list" then you can type in any car make or model you want and it will bring up just those cars to view.
Quote from: JH27N0B on January 09, 2022, 12:43:26 PM
I bought one of my Challengers at auction 10 years ago and did real well on it. At the time buyer premium was 6% and the auction was in my area, so the next day I drove it home. Transportation was about $10 in gas! :D
Later I felt I took chances and got away with it. The seller wasn't by the car, so I couldn't ask questions. You can't start or test drive the cars. The keys were tied to the steering column so I couldn't even open the trunk to inspect there. After I bought it, I found it had a perfect original trunk floor! :ohyeah: But no jack, space saver or inflator. :Thud:
They play a lot of games at the auctions including chandelier bidding cars up and even short hammering cars so the house can buy it cheap and flip later.
I see cars sell high at auction and show up soon after at a future auction. Buyer flake out, or phony sale to imply the auction was more successful than it really was in getting high sales prices for cars?
You can get a good deal on a good car if you do your homework and a little luck, but you can get burned too. So you need to go in with both eyes open if considering buying or selling at an auction. :alan2cents:
Yeah that's where I f**ked up :takemymoney: :bigmoney: :crying: :crying:
They did better than alright for an AAR with non matching numbers engine and transmission!!!
:bricks:
That's what I was thinking too....I wonder what the undercarriage looks like ? :bigmoney: :bigmoney: :o
Quote from: Smallblock340 on January 09, 2022, 11:40:53 PM
This AAR was for sale in Sarasota, FL last year. Asking price $ 69.999... :yes:
https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/3071503356412461/?media_id=4&ref=share_attachment
Fender tag:
It's still on Facebook. Lol. Just showed up in my recommended list based on what I surf.
Grand Voyager AAR :rolleyes:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3071503356412461/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks
10% "buyer's commission??" 12% "buyer's commission" if you are not on site?? :Thud:
I dislike the greed, but I have to hand it to Dana Mecum for the empire that he built. When he entered the auction scene Barret-Jackson was the undisputed king of collector car auctions. But Dana had a plan. He undercut every commission and fee that the other auction companies were charging. Slowly, but surely, seller's started bringing their cars to him instead of the other guys. Mecum auctions grew and grew BIG. Now that Mecum dominates the auction scene, there is little to loose by adding on all the extra fees ... and a whole lot of $$$$$ to be made. So of course he's going to charge all those "buyer's" commissions ... until somebody else comes along and uses his own business model to dethrone him. :takemymoney:
Quote from: RzeroB on January 10, 2022, 10:01:40 PM
10% "buyer's commission??" 12% "buyer's commission" if you are not on site?? :Thud:
plus seller fees and $200 to register for the right to bid :takemymoney: :takemymoney: :takemymoney: At least the casinos give you free alcohol, here there is a special package for that.
It is impressive to watch, which is of course is part of the business model.
Quote from: RzeroB on January 10, 2022, 10:01:40 PM
10% "buyer's commission??" 12% "buyer's commission" if you are not on site?? :Thud:
I dislike the greed, but I have to hand it to Dana Mecum for the empire that he built. When he entered the auction scene Barret-Jackson was the undisputed king of collector car auctions. But Dana had a plan. He undercut every commission and fee that the other auction companies were charging. Slowly, but surely, seller's started bringing their cars to him instead of the other guys. Mecum auctions grew and grew BIG. Now that Mecum dominates the auction scene, there is little to loose by adding on all the extra fees ... and a whole lot of $$$$$ to be made. So of course he's going to charge all those "buyer's" commissions ... until somebody else comes along and uses his own business model to dethrone him. :takemymoney:
I think the rise of Mecum had a lot to do with Barret-Jackson making their prime time TV auctions "NO RESERVE" ....people weren't willing to gamble on the re-sale value of their quality cars.
Quote from: MKA on January 11, 2022, 05:11:43 AM
Quote from: RzeroB on January 10, 2022, 10:01:40 PM
10% "buyer's commission??" 12% "buyer's commission" if you are not on site?? :Thud:
plus seller fees and $200 to register for the right to bid :takemymoney: :takemymoney: :takemymoney: At least the casinos give you free alcohol, here there is a special package for that.
It is impressive to watch, which is of course is part of the business model.
When I started going to Mecum auctions in around 2007/2008 bidder registration was free though you had to give some financial information or bank letter to qualify. Commission in 2011 when I bought a car was 6%. Spectator admission was around $10.
Best part, there were little bar kiosks in the bidder area with free beer, wine and snacks! I thought there was probably a reason behind the generosity, some bidders might get juiced up and the next morning wake up and find they'd bought a car at the auction for far more than they'd intended to!
Then they started charging to be a bidder, and raised spectator admission. Introduced Gold bidder status when you had to pay $500 for the honor, only gold level bidders get the free booze and snacks. Gold level bidding at least got you a season of auction registration, but now for 2022 you have to pay $500 per auction to be gold level. No thanks I can buy my own beer. And Spectator admission is now $30 unless thats been raised for 2022?
The Mecum family is probably well on their way to surpassing the Waltons and Warren Buffet on the richest Americans list!
Yeah, Mecum auctions are now custom tailored to cater to the big dogs with the big money. I get it, as from a business perspective if makes total "cents". What I didn't get was all of the shenanigans that go on at those auctions. A few years ago I was at MCACN and was at Tom's after party. I somehow found myself in a group conversation involving a number of the big dogs. They were talking and I was just listening, but the stuff about the fake bidding, shill bidding, chandelier bidding, seeded house bidders, short hammer sales, inflated reserves so on and so forth just blew my mind!! I guess I was naive but I had assumed that it was all pretty straight forward as described in the rules ... but it's not. It's a money making machine and like Vegas, the house always wins.
i stay home like most and watch it on the tube for free,
shaking my head at the big money investors saying, what did i just buy.
Quote from: RzeroB on January 11, 2022, 01:30:14 PM
Yeah, Mecum auctions are now custom tailored to cater to the big dogs with the big money. I get it, as from a business perspective if makes total "cents". What I didn't get was all of the shenanigans that go on at those auctions. A few years ago I was at MCACN and was at Tom's after party. I somehow found myself in a group conversation involving a number of the big dogs. They were talking and I was just listening, but the stuff about the fake bidding, shill bidding, chandelier bidding, seeded house bidders, short hammer sales, inflated reserves so on and so forth just blew my mind!! I guess I was naive but I had assumed that it was all pretty straight forward as described in the rules ... but it's not. It's a money making machine and like Vegas, the house always wins.
Amen to that brother. Found out the hard way myself. Was trying to buy at insurance auctions. What a scam. :thumbdown:
Oh no. Did he say 6 pack Roadrunner? I can clearly see the 6bbl on the hood. Ouch.
How about a 1973 Cuda made to look like a 71 fetching over $96K :o https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-486526/1973-plymouth-cuda/
and a real 71 only getting $58K https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-499239/1971-plymouth-cuda/ :crazytalk:
The 71 has a fender tag. BS23H1B278315
Has a 6pak.
The BH23G3B597139 has lost it's identity. No tag. Not surprising.
It is surprising that it brought as much cash as it did. Must have been made up real nice.
I can't get over some of the prices in this auction. I see several mid ninety Ford trucks going for 20-30k I had a couple ford trucks in that year range (90 & 96). I did enjoy them and trucks hold value but that's nuts. Literally 750k units built per year, Nada high retail values of easily under 10k and you can find them everywhere.
Why would you pay 3 times more average value for something at an auction :foul:
All matters on what is trending those trucks are popular right now... :dunno:
...I don't get the guy that brought over two dozen Corvairs to the same auction...nothing like saturating your own market :drunk:
It may be an estate, or an aging out or terminally ill collector needing to liquidate his collection of Corvairs.
You see that fairly often at the Mecum auctions where a series of same or very similar cars are being run.
I think there's a group of 80s-90s Mustangs running consecutively at Kissimmee this year, and recall for sure that a big % of the LS6 Chevelles ever made it seems like, are all running in a row coming up. I don't even think MCACN has had that many LS6s at the same place! I would guess all were from the same collection?
So it's not unusual. But does it depress the prices, or help attract a large number of potential buyers to the auction? If there were a dozen 70 hemi Cudas running in a row would a bunch of the big players in the Mopar arena register to bid compared to if there was just one of those cars listed?
There seems to a few runs this year. I saw a run of 10 69 Camaros which prompted me to wonder how many 69s in the whole auction. The answer is 54! Take your pick.
I personally would never purchase a car from an auction for many reasons, but I do enjoy watching on TV. Alot of money flying around spent stupidly.
I agree. Fun watching. It's like being at a car show in your living room. Fun to watch what's trending and see the variety of old muscle. I record so I fast forward all the Mercedes/Porsches/ and the rest of the foreign super cars. Not interested. I want to see classic American muscle and cars I owned back in the day. :banana:
I agree. Unless you are in the circle of knowing how most of these auctions are run, you're rolling the dice on the car that you want or purchased.
I'd love to see an 20/20 type expose showing what really happens behind the scenes at these auctions.
Big Mopar day today, 23 muscle cars. A TA just sold for $110,000. There's a 70 Hemi Cuda convertible coming up after lunch. Also a couple Daytona's, a couple Superbirds and a couple more TAs.
Another 71 Cuda clone (bit of a turd) sells for $68K....EVERYBODY wants a 71 Cuda :drunk:
Not me. :dunno:
At these prices I don't know if I'll want to ever buy another car again. :headbang:
Custom builds are big money. This just hammered at $300,000!
Quote from: blown motor on January 14, 2022, 10:00:58 AM
Custom builds are big money. This just hammered at $300,000!
$330K with fees....I've been trying to tell you guys this for awhile, not everybody's cup of tea....but certainly a very hot trend right now...
This Charger still has stock style suspension and an old school Hemi....imagine if it had a Hellcrate motor :o
$2.1 MILLION....reserve not met :'(
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-498359/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda-convertible/
Vipers seem to be doing well :bigmoney: :bigthumb:
Numbers matching 70 Challenger RT/SE sold at $170,000
Quote from: anlauto on January 14, 2022, 12:57:43 PM
$2.1 MILLION....reserve not met :'(
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-498359/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda-convertible/
Two and a half years ago it sold at Mecum Indy (2019) for $1.85M but the deal later fell through. Now it's "reserve not met" at $2.1M?? :bigmoney: Peter must of adjusted his reserve for ... inflation?? :notsure:
70 TA, sublime, assumed not numbers matching, $75,000.
70 TA, panther pink, numbers matching, 1 of 12, $180,000
Quote from: blown motor on January 14, 2022, 03:28:17 PM
70 TA, sublime, assumed not numbers matching, $75,000.
70 TA, panther pink, numbers matching, 1 of 12, $180,000
1 of 12 documented to exist? Where do they come up with these numbers? :haha: Last I heard Barry had documented quite a few, over 150 FM3 T/As.
I saw a yellow hemi cuda F102.1 run and sell for $115,000. It's not shown in their listings, does anyone have info on it? I assume it's a clone.
My gearhead coworker said he recognized the buyer as a local. Maybe I'll see it around this summer.
Prices are bonkers. Thank you everyone for not buying my '71 I pulled off the market last summer after advertising it for years. :thankyou:
Mecum Auction
That's it! Wish there was a Mecum listing on it.
I can't believe a 383 roadrunner sold for 99K yesterday. :rubeyes:
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-486988/1970-plymouth-road-runner/
2 mid to late 80s Grand Wagoners sold yesterday too, for 6 figures. One brought $158K!
Unreal :Thud:
Quote from: JH27N0B on January 14, 2022, 04:40:35 PM
That's it! Wish there was a Mecum listing on it.
I can't believe a 383 roadrunner sold for 99K yesterday. :rubeyes:
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-486988/1970-plymouth-road-runner/
2 mid to late 80s Grand Wagoners sold yesterday too, for 6 figures. One brought $158K!
Unreal :Thud:
That RoadRunner to me is what dreams are made of! Wow what a sweet ride! :drooling:
Ya those wagoneers... I don't get it either? :looney:
I'm glad to see the Mopar prices are pretty strong right across the board :banana: :banana:
Quote from: anlauto on January 14, 2022, 05:11:58 PM
I'm glad to see the Mopar prices are pretty strong right across the board :banana: :banana:
Ya but it almost feels/seems like something is " Off" somehow? Like , I'm asking myself " what's wrong with this picture" kind of a thing? Or like what am I missing here sort of a thing?
Glad I got my cars when I did, no way I could swing it now if this is the new normal for collector car market?
Quote from: Brads70 on January 14, 2022, 05:16:05 PM
Quote from: anlauto on January 14, 2022, 05:11:58 PM
I'm glad to see the Mopar prices are pretty strong right across the board :banana: :banana:
Ya but it almost feels/seems like something is " Off" somehow? Like , I'm asking myself " what's wrong with this picture" kind of a thing? Or like what am I missing here sort of a thing?
Glad I got my cars when I did, no way I could swing it now if this is the new normal for collector car market?
There are some head scratchers for sure like 80's & 90's pick up trucks ? There was an AMC Spirit AMX yesterday that went for big bucks as well as one of those Eagle wagons ???? :crazytalk:
...but over all...high prices are always good for the hobby, unless of course you're trying to buy a car... :haha: :haha:
Quote from: RzeroB on January 14, 2022, 03:04:43 PM
Quote from: anlauto on January 14, 2022, 12:57:43 PM
$2.1 MILLION....reserve not met :'(
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-498359/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda-convertible/
Two and a half years ago it sold at Mecum Indy (2019) for $1.85M but the deal later fell through. Now it's "reserve not met" at $2.1M?? :bigmoney: Peter must of (MUST'VE or MUST HAVE) adjusted his reserve for ... inflation?? :notsure:
does it still belong to Peter? it was listed as part of the "Shelton" collection along with other prior unsuccessful Mecum auction cars :thinking:
Quote from: JH27N0B on January 14, 2022, 03:44:18 PM
Prices are bonkers. Thank you everyone for not buying my '71 I pulled off the market last summer after advertising it for years. :thankyou:
:huh: as long as the market stays up & it's not a $35K car when you do decide to sell it :dunno:
Quote from: 6bblgt on January 14, 2022, 06:14:22 PM
Quote from: RzeroB on January 14, 2022, 03:04:43 PM
Quote from: anlauto on January 14, 2022, 12:57:43 PM
$2.1 MILLION....reserve not met :'(
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-498359/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda-convertible/
Two and a half years ago it sold at Mecum Indy (2019) for $1.85M but the deal later fell through. Now it's "reserve not met" at $2.1M?? :bigmoney: Peter must of (MUST'VE or MUST HAVE) adjusted his reserve for ... inflation?? :notsure:
does it still belong to Peter? it was listed as part of the "Shelton" collection along with other prior unsuccessful Mecum auction cars :thinking:
I was wondering that too...I talked to Peter not long ago and he was telling me the "No sale" story after it sold last time...I wouldn't doubt if he made a deal after the sale, I recall him saying something about the second highest bidder :thinking:
I saw the '70 yellow hemi 'Cuda sell too and wondered why the price was so low. I recorded the show and played it back several times to try to see exactly what it was being presented as. I thought it might be a clone but the announcers always point that out when a clone is presented. In fact, they announced that this was one of 368 hemi 'Cudas with the venerable auto transmission. I don't think they would have said that and quoted the number of autos if this was a clone. I am wondering if there was something funny going on with this car as it has a lot number of 102.1, which indicates that it was a late addition and the car did not show up in the results online late last night. It seems to have disappeared.
Quote from: mrwfp on January 15, 2022, 08:55:05 AM
I saw the '70 yellow hemi 'Cuda sell too and wondered why the price was so low. I recorded the show and played it back several times to try to see exactly what it was being presented as. I thought it might be a clone but the announcers always point that out when a clone is presented. In fact, they announced that this was one of 368 hemi 'Cudas with the venerable auto transmission. I don't think they would have said that and quoted the number of autos if this was a clone. I am wondering if there was something funny going on with this car as it has a lot number of 102.1, which indicates that it was a late addition and the car did not show up in the results online late last night. It seems to have disappeared.
There is a whole lot of back and forth on Facebook Mopar fender tags club that the car has a fake fender tag and engine stamping and the buyer swearing he got a steal. Being Facebook who knows but as always buyer beware.
SMOKIN DEAL on 71 cuda convertible....no idea why so cheap...$88K https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-487628/1971-plymouth-barracuda-convertible/ maybe it was a hardtop or something ? :huh:
I wanted to see what that purple restomod Challenger would go for because it has the same driveline and suspension as my Cuda will have, but unfortunately the Challenger was too ugly to get any serious bids.....
Was only bid to $110K but reserve NOT met :dunno: That's what happens when you modify a car to personally to suit your own tastes :thumbdown:
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-487865/1970-dodge-challenger-convertible/
Quote from: anlauto on January 15, 2022, 04:32:42 PM
I wanted to see what that purple restomod Challenger would go for because it has the same driveline and suspension as my Cuda will have, but unfortunately the Challenger was too ugly to get any serious bids.....
Was only bid to $110K but reserve NOT met :dunno: That's what happens when you modify a car to personally to suit your own tastes :thumbdown:
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-487865/1970-dodge-challenger-convertible/
Likely that repop warped bumper killed it! :pullinghair: :rofl:
Ya that rad/battery cover is pretty sad! Amongst other things...
Quote from: Brads70 on January 15, 2022, 06:06:48 PM
Quote from: anlauto on January 15, 2022, 04:32:42 PM
I wanted to see what that purple restomod Challenger would go for because it has the same driveline and suspension as my Cuda will have, but unfortunately the Challenger was too ugly to get any serious bids.....
Was only bid to $110K but reserve NOT met :dunno: That's what happens when you modify a car to personally to suit your own tastes :thumbdown:
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-487865/1970-dodge-challenger-convertible/
Likely that repop warped bumper killed it! :pullinghair: :rofl:
Ya that rad/battery cover is pretty sad! Amongst other things...
There's a long list of "personal touches " that kill it for this car in my opinion... :thumbdown:
but the battery is on the passenger side (is that common with Gen3 swaps?). Not sure what the ugly aluminum cover is on the drivers side :dunno:
Quote from: 70vert on January 15, 2022, 06:22:55 PM
but the battery is on the passenger side (is that common with Gen3 swaps?). Not sure what the ugly aluminum cover is on the drivers side :dunno:
Some sort of air box maybe :dunno: I like the battery in the trunk for a cleaner look up front :)
High prices due to appreciation and inflation. How much the HEMI Cuda convertible sold for. I saw the preview when they talk about it but had to leave the house so I missed it.
Quote from: 7212Mopar on January 16, 2022, 09:16:14 AM
High prices due to appreciation and inflation. How much the HEMI Cuda convertible sold for. I saw the preview when they talk about it but had to leave the house so I missed it.
The hemi cuda convertible didn't meet reserve. Shows bid goes on at $2.1M.
Ok Thanks. That is a lot of money already.
Quote from: MKA on January 15, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: mrwfp on January 15, 2022, 08:55:05 AM
I saw the '70 yellow hemi 'Cuda sell too and wondered why the price was so low. I recorded the show and played it back several times to try to see exactly what it was being presented as. I thought it might be a clone but the announcers always point that out when a clone is presented. In fact, they announced that this was one of 368 hemi 'Cudas with the venerable auto transmission. I don't think they would have said that and quoted the number of autos if this was a clone. I am wondering if there was something funny going on with this car as it has a lot number of 102.1, which indicates that it was a late addition and the car did not show up in the results online late last night. It seems to have disappeared.
There is a whole lot of back and forth on Facebook Mopar fender tags club that the car has a fake fender tag and engine stamping and the buyer swearing he got a steal. Being Facebook who knows but as always buyer beware.
I looked at this yellow `70 Hemicuda on Saturday. The car presented well but had some details that needed correction. The fender tag is a reproduction and the cowl VIN is not visible at all. The cowl area is smooth with no impressions showing at all. Sold price was $126,500 including buyer's premium.
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on January 16, 2022, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: MKA on January 15, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: mrwfp on January 15, 2022, 08:55:05 AM
I saw the '70 yellow hemi 'Cuda sell too and wondered why the price was so low. I recorded the show and played it back several times to try to see exactly what it was being presented as. I thought it might be a clone but the announcers always point that out when a clone is presented. In fact, they announced that this was one of 368 hemi 'Cudas with the venerable auto transmission. I don't think they would have said that and quoted the number of autos if this was a clone. I am wondering if there was something funny going on with this car as it has a lot number of 102.1, which indicates that it was a late addition and the car did not show up in the results online late last night. It seems to have disappeared.
There is a whole lot of back and forth on Facebook Mopar fender tags club that the car has a fake fender tag and engine stamping and the buyer swearing he got a steal. Being Facebook who knows but as always buyer beware.
I looked at this yellow `70 Hemicuda on Saturday. The car presented well but had some details that needed correction. The fender tag is a reproduction and the cowl VIN is not visible at all. The cowl area is smooth with no impressions showing at all. Sold price was $126,500 including buyer's premium.
Did it have radiator support numbers?
Did the frame reinforcements look OE?
Quote from: autoxcuda on January 16, 2022, 10:25:14 AM
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on January 16, 2022, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: MKA on January 15, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: mrwfp on January 15, 2022, 08:55:05 AM
I saw the '70 yellow hemi 'Cuda sell too and wondered why the price was so low. I recorded the show and played it back several times to try to see exactly what it was being presented as. I thought it might be a clone but the announcers always point that out when a clone is presented. In fact, they announced that this was one of 368 hemi 'Cudas with the venerable auto transmission. I don't think they would have said that and quoted the number of autos if this was a clone. I am wondering if there was something funny going on with this car as it has a lot number of 102.1, which indicates that it was a late addition and the car did not show up in the results online late last night. It seems to have disappeared.
From memory, yes, the radiator support was stamped with the same VIN. I remember thinking maybe the cowl had been replaced due to rust damage and also thinking that this car, whether real or not, was going to be questionable forever.
There is a whole lot of back and forth on Facebook Mopar fender tags club that the car has a fake fender tag and engine stamping and the buyer swearing he got a steal. Being Facebook who knows but as always buyer beware.
I looked at this yellow `70 Hemicuda on Saturday. The car presented well but had some details that needed correction. The fender tag is a reproduction and the cowl VIN is not visible at all. The cowl area is smooth with no impressions showing at all. Sold price was $126,500 including buyer's premium.
Did it have radiator support numbers?
Did the frame reinforcements look OE?
Yes, the radiator support matched the dash VIN. I remember thinking this car would always be questionable with the cowl VIN possibly having been repaired due to rust. Good restoration pics and documentation showing that area would go along way in proving the car is bona fide or not.
Here is a wrapup of results on Cudas and Challengers through Sunday (16JAN). Click the picture to enlarge.
Some of the special exhibition cars do not show results yet. They included the pilot car convertibles.
Mecum Results include the buyer's premium of 10%.
Just watched a purple 4 speed T/A sell for $150K PLUS 10%.... :yes:
The Butterscotch 71 340 Cuda got $71500 all in.....that was a good deal too...in my opinion
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on January 16, 2022, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: autoxcuda on January 16, 2022, 10:25:14 AM
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on January 16, 2022, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: MKA on January 15, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: mrwfp on January 15, 2022, 08:55:05 AM
I saw the '70 yellow hemi 'Cuda sell too and wondered why the price was so low. I recorded the show and played it back several times to try to see exactly what it was being presented as. I thought it might be a clone but the announcers always point that out when a clone is presented. In fact, they announced that this was one of 368 hemi 'Cudas with the venerable auto transmission. I don't think they would have said that and quoted the number of autos if this was a clone. I am wondering if there was something funny going on with this car as it has a lot number of 102.1, which indicates that it was a late addition and the car did not show up in the results online late last night. It seems to have disappeared.
From memory, yes, the radiator support was stamped with the same VIN. I remember thinking maybe the cowl had been replaced due to rust damage and also thinking that this car, whether real or not, was going to be questionable forever.
There is a whole lot of back and forth on Facebook Mopar fender tags club that the car has a fake fender tag and engine stamping and the buyer swearing he got a steal. Being Facebook who knows but as always buyer beware.
I looked at this yellow `70 Hemicuda on Saturday. The car presented well but had some details that needed correction. The fender tag is a reproduction and the cowl VIN is not visible at all. The cowl area is smooth with no impressions showing at all. Sold price was $126,500 including buyer's premium.
Did it have radiator support numbers?
Did the frame reinforcements look OE?
Yes, the radiator support matched the dash VIN. I remember thinking this car would always be questionable with the cowl VIN possibly having been repaired due to rust. Good restoration pics and documentation showing that area would go along way in proving the car is bona fide or not.
Here is the supposed engine stamp that those on Facebook are calling fake. I say supposed as a qualifier because I have neither the expertise or ability to verify what people are posting or saying is valid.
That Sublime TA is rough...someone way overbid IMO.
Quote from: MKA on January 16, 2022, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on January 16, 2022, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: autoxcuda on January 16, 2022, 10:25:14 AM
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on January 16, 2022, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: MKA on January 15, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: mrwfp on January 15, 2022, 08:55:05 AM
I saw the '70 yellow hemi 'Cuda sell too and wondered why the price was so low. I recorded the show and played it back several times to try to see exactly what it was being presented as. I thought it might be a clone but the announcers always point that out when a clone is presented. In fact, they announced that this was one of 368 hemi 'Cudas with the venerable auto transmission. I don't think they would have said that and quoted the number of autos if this was a clone. I am wondering if there was something funny going on with this car as it has a lot number of 102.1, which indicates that it was a late addition and the car did not show up in the results online late last night. It seems to have disappeared.
From memory, yes, the radiator support was stamped with the same VIN. I remember thinking maybe the cowl had been replaced due to rust damage and also thinking that this car, whether real or not, was going to be questionable forever.
There is a whole lot of back and forth on Facebook Mopar fender tags club that the car has a fake fender tag and engine stamping and the buyer swearing he got a steal. Being Facebook who knows but as always buyer beware.
I looked at this yellow `70 Hemicuda on Saturday. The car presented well but had some details that needed correction. The fender tag is a reproduction and the cowl VIN is not visible at all. The cowl area is smooth with no impressions showing at all. Sold price was $126,500 including buyer's premium.
Did it have radiator support numbers?
Did the frame reinforcements look OE?
Yes, the radiator support matched the dash VIN. I remember thinking this car would always be questionable with the cowl VIN possibly having been repaired due to rust. Good restoration pics and documentation showing that area would go along way in proving the car is bona fide or not.
Here is the supposed engine stamp that those on Facebook are calling fake. I say supposed as a qualifier because I have neither the expertise or ability to verify what people are posting or saying is valid.
The factory placed the alpha-numeric dies in a fixture and stamped them. That is why they are visually aligned, within a certain tolerance, and spaced properly. This Cuda's engine stamping is very out of align, the spacing is off, and the numeral "0" and "4" is nothing like the factory font.
It is also common to tape off the VIN stamping during restoration. This leaves the pad's original spiral, machining marks exposed for inspection versus having paint potentially hiding later machining which was done to eradicate an original VIN stamp.
The below pictures should help with what is correct.
Quote from: R/T's 4 R/P on January 16, 2022, 02:57:49 PM
That Sublime TA is rough...someone way overbid IMO.
I guess being a four speed with rear window louvers, someone must have wanted it pretty bad....It looks like it could need to be restored :rubeyes:
i think that Yellow Hemi Cuda (not vert) was the one listed on here a while back. The old drag car that was re-built/bodied. i also think it was at Ponderosa too, i remember the rims. anyone remember it..... i think one of the owners... a few years ago... had a car magazine article about it...
That FJ5 T/A caught my eye. Back in the late 90s a local guy Gil restored a FJ5 T/A with no vinyl top and louvers. He was not happy after he bought the car because when he tore it apart to restore he found it had been back halved. He sort of disappeared after he sold the car, I'd heard that car soured him on his car restoration hobby.
I wondered where his car ended up, there can't be too many FJ5 T/As with no vinyl top and louvers out there.
http://mopar-ponderosa.com/cars-4-sale/?VID=76595918
Quote from: anlauto on January 16, 2022, 03:07:15 PM
Quote from: R/T's 4 R/P on January 16, 2022, 02:57:49 PM
That Sublime TA is rough...someone way overbid IMO.
I guess being a four speed with rear window louvers, someone must have wanted it pretty bad....It looks like it could need to be restored :rubeyes:
The A-44 Back window louvers package was a bargain for about $90 and it included the dual color-keyed racing mirrors.
Interestingly enough, there are T/As out there that do not have dual mirrors and the passenger-side stripe is missing the crescent cutout for the mirror on these cars.
Yellow Hemi Cuda.... different tag... one wing one without... same rims..... sure looked like the one i had seen.. oh well.... at least i'm not losing my mind... :)
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on January 16, 2022, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: anlauto on January 16, 2022, 03:07:15 PM
Quote from: R/T's 4 R/P on January 16, 2022, 02:57:49 PM
That Sublime TA is rough...someone way overbid IMO.
I guess being a four speed with rear window louvers, someone must have wanted it pretty bad....It looks like it could need to be restored :rubeyes:
The A-44 Back window louvers package was a bargain for about $90 and it included the dual color-keyed racing mirrors.
Interestingly enough, there are T/As out there that do not have dual mirrors and the passenger-side stripe is missing the crescent cutout for the mirror on these cars.
Relative pricing comes into play. Not sure if bargain back then...
About $3500 car then
Now comparable to $40K
That would make those louvers about a $1,000 option today.
Quote from: LoStHeMi on January 16, 2022, 03:42:27 PM
http://mopar-ponderosa.com/cars-4-sale/?VID=76595918
Quote from: LoStHeMi on January 16, 2022, 04:07:29 PM
Yellow Hemi Cuda.... different tag... one wing one without... same rims..... sure looked like the one i had seen.. oh well.... at least i'm not losing my mind... :)
Yes, the HemiCuda on the Ponderosa site is a different VIN and has an original fender tag.
The very, similar yellow HemiCuda that sold at Mecum has a repro fender tag with at least one code on it that does not appear on an early build car (SPD A06, OCT `69).
This car sold for 84K and the under hood picture doesn't even show that the car has a fender tag.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-498594/1970-dodge-challenger-rt/
js23U0B199912
factory air conditioned U code challenger.
It had leather seats interior.
Was painted 27 years ago.
Says the data plate is included with the sale. So it must be in a folder with the info on the car.
Why it wouldn't be on the fender is your best guess.
Quote from: JH27N0B on January 17, 2022, 05:41:13 AM
This car sold for 84K and the under hood picture doesn't even show that the car has a fender tag.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0122-498594/1970-dodge-challenger-rt/
I thought $84K was on the high side for that car as well....but I guess EVERYBODY wants a purple Challenger :haha: :haha:
Quote from: cuda hunter on January 17, 2022, 07:31:54 AM
js23U0B199912
factory air conditioned U code challenger.
It had leather seats interior.
Was painted 27 years ago.
Says the data plate is included with the sale. So it must be in a folder with the info on the car.
Why it wouldn't be on the fender is your best guess.
Maybe the seller was afraid it would get stolen? With the AC line routed over the tag that would be tough (but not impossible) to steal.
All in all not a smart move IMO. I remember a story about about Greg Nelson at a Barrett Jackson auction around 10 years ago. He saw a hemi Coronet R/T there with no tag. He ran across the owner, who it turned out had the tag but didn't want to put it on the car for whatever reason. Greg then bid on it and got it cheap. Other potential bidders got scared off because they thought the car had no tag.
Whatever the case, if a U code auto Challenger really sold for that price that's pretty nuts!
Didn't a similar one sell here last summer for under $40K? That one might have even been a 4 gear.
Quote from: MKA on January 16, 2022, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on January 16, 2022, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: autoxcuda on January 16, 2022, 10:25:14 AM
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on January 16, 2022, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: MKA on January 15, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: mrwfp on January 15, 2022, 08:55:05 AM
I saw the '70 yellow hemi 'Cuda sell too and wondered why the price was so low. I recorded the show and played it back several times to try to see exactly what it was being presented as. I thought it might be a clone but the announcers always point that out when a clone is presented. In fact, they announced that this was one of 368 hemi 'Cudas with the venerable auto transmission. I don't think they would have said that and quoted the number of autos if this was a clone. I am wondering if there was something funny going on with this car as it has a lot number of 102.1, which indicates that it was a late addition and the car did not show up in the results online late last night. It seems to have disappeared.
From memory, yes, the radiator support was stamped with the same VIN. I remember thinking maybe the cowl had been replaced due to rust damage and also thinking that this car, whether real or not, was going to be questionable forever.
There is a whole lot of back and forth on Facebook Mopar fender tags club that the car has a fake fender tag and engine stamping and the buyer swearing he got a steal. Being Facebook who knows but as always buyer beware.
I looked at this yellow `70 Hemicuda on Saturday. The car presented well but had some details that needed correction. The fender tag is a reproduction and the cowl VIN is not visible at all. The cowl area is smooth with no impressions showing at all. Sold price was $126,500 including buyer's premium.
Did it have radiator support numbers?
Did the frame reinforcements look OE?
Yes, the radiator support matched the dash VIN. I remember thinking this car would always be questionable with the cowl VIN possibly having been repaired due to rust. Good restoration pics and documentation showing that area would go along way in proving the car is bona fide or not.
Here is the supposed engine stamp that those on Facebook are calling fake. I say supposed as a qualifier because I have neither the expertise or ability to verify what people are posting or saying is valid.
For me, the thing that first draws my attention is the VIN pad itself. Look how deep and crooked the cut on the pad is ... it's so obvious that the pad has been recut to create a clean surface for restamping. With this engine, you don't need a Dave Wise inspection to tell that this engine has been restamped. This is so bad, I don't know how the fraudster thought it looked good enough to pull off the ruse??
I watched almost every day of the mecum auction (mopar focused) and had this lingering feeling all throughout the auction. Are we back to the pre-2008 period all over again?
That travel bus going for over 1M was the "jump the shark" moment.
Unbelievable.... :notsure:
FYI - I recently discovered that Motortrend picked up Mecum auctions. The Motortrend channel is included with my wife's Amazon Prime. We have a Fire Stick and I watch it on that. The Kissimmee auctions are on there and I'm slowly going through them. Too many Corvettes. I'm not sure if a live feed will be available for future auctions.
They broadcast a lot of it live on Motortrend TV on cable, and are advertising that they will be doing the same next month for the auction, I believe it's in Anaheim.