So I am always looking for a 70 barracuda with M46.
M46 is the simulated scoops that go behind the doors down by the bottom of the wheel wells.
There were only about 400 of these made and I have been looking for around 15 years.
Most folks take the BH barracuda's and use them for parts or clone them, throwing away the fender tag.
So since these are just lowly BH cars, most have disappeared.
If anyone has any leads on one please let me know. Even if it's a total rust bucket and does not look restorable.
Would love a build sheet for one as well. Or old fender tag. Just looking for anything M46. tags, BS, ACTUAL SCOOPS.
Has anyone started a registry for these cars yet?
Looks like Cuda hunter has signed himself up for that.
:)
Maybe Dwight Rindt is taking care of that ? :dunno:
Pretty need option and one I somehow missed.. I wouldn't think they made very many back in the day and after a little research figure they probably didn't last all that long seeing where they are mounted and the quality of the material of the day. Does give me an idea to make some rear brake cooling ducts though.. 8)
Pictures please!!
I googled it and saw a few on other sites. Definitely an acquired taste as it does kind of break up the bottom body line.
Here's the factory engineering drawing on paint application for the M46 option...
Refresh my memory:
Wasn't Scott at Harm's Auto going to reproduce these?
Whatever happened on that?
Here's a few pics
Quote from: 70chall440 on February 01, 2017, 12:06:04 PM
Pretty need option and one I somehow missed.. I wouldn't think they made very many back in the day and after a little research figure they probably didn't last all that long seeing where they are mounted and the quality of the material of the day. Does give me an idea to make some rear brake cooling ducts though.. 8)
My thoughts exactly!
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Quote from: screamindriver on February 01, 2017, 06:58:22 PM
Here's the factory engineering drawing on paint application for the M46 option...
Where are you guys getting the engineering drawings? I would love to enlarge a few to hang in my office/ shop [emoji7]
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Problem is they are usually photo copies of photo copies and when you enlarge them they look terrible. You would need to find originals....
Quote from: Topcat on February 01, 2017, 07:08:52 PM
Refresh my memory:
Wasn't Scott at Harm's Auto going to reproduce these?
Whatever happened on that?
I have not heard anything lately, however the demand is surely quite small. I sold the pair I had awhile back; bought them from a guy who thought they were a Mustang part added to his car. :headbang: Car is now a drag car, I'm not sure about the FT.
Tom
I spy M46 scoops in this eBay listing. https://www.ebay.com/itm/112284710912
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Man! Good eye. :takealook:
Quote from: Blake@diyhemi.com on February 02, 2017, 09:15:43 AM
I spy M46 scoops in this eBay listing. https://www.ebay.com/itm/112284710912
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If I remember correctly, the M46 option also included a particular style of tail panel paint.
There's another engineering drawing for that.
UPDATE: Yep, you have it already. It's the drawing labeled as "Black Out Tail Panel Cuda".
This drawing isn't just for the "S" model 'Cudas. It also covers "H" model Barracudas & "P" model Gran Coupes.
Under each side of the drawing, there is a listing for S, H, & P, with M88 molding or M46 scoops.
It would have been really nice if M88 wasn't the code for BOTH styles of tail panel molding! It's caused a lot of confusion over the years.
There's a 1971 car that has both styles of M88 installed.
Quote from: Blake@diyhemi.com on February 02, 2017, 09:15:43 AM
I spy M46 scoops in this eBay listing. https://www.ebay.com/itm/112284710912
That just looks like overhead console dome light parts to me.
:huh: Maybe?
Quote from: cataclysm80 on February 02, 2017, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: Blake@diyhemi.com on February 02, 2017, 09:15:43 AM
I spy M46 scoops in this eBay listing. https://www.ebay.com/itm/112284710912
That just looks like overhead console dome light parts to me.
Quote from: cataclysm80 on February 02, 2017, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: Blake@diyhemi.com on February 02, 2017, 09:15:43 AM
I spy M46 scoops in this eBay listing. https://www.ebay.com/itm/112284710912
That just looks like overhead console dome light parts to me.
Look to the upper portions of the pictures and you will see parts of scoops. It's hard to notice at first, but Cody's picture shows them
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Thanks, for pointing it out, I totally missed that!
I don't think they're M46 scoops though. The ones in that auction look to rounded. Maybe they're 69 coronet hood scoops or something?
Have another look at an M46 scoop here. pretty square corners, shaped to fit the quarter in front of the wheel.
I think someone told me they were metal with an elastomeric coating like the bumpers. (I think reproductions would have been plastic if they were ever made.)
Quote from: cataclysm80 on February 02, 2017, 10:37:44 AM
Thanks, for pointing it out, I totally missed that!
I don't think they're M46 scoops though. The ones in that auction look to rounded. Maybe they're 69 coronet hood scoops or something?
Have another look at an M46 scoop here. pretty square corners, shaped to fit the quarter in front of the wheel.
I think someone told me they were metal with an elastomeric coating like the bumpers. (I think reproductions would have been plastic if they were ever made.)
Hmm, you may be correct, sir
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Quote from: Blake@diyhemi.com on February 02, 2017, 09:15:43 AM
I spy M46 scoops in this eBay listing. https://www.ebay.com/itm/112284710912
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Good eye, but maybe they are the A Body or B Body hood scoops? I see a line on the edge for the chrome trim edge???? :dunno:
Moparal's M46 car I think was a 383 4sp car, and was very affordable when he sold it. At one point I think this car was deemed the closest for accuracy on a M46 restored car.
Bart had made M46 scoops for his car. They looked great, but I don't know if he worked off originals, or blueprints, or just eyeballed it.
:unbelievable: Some of the best photos of M46 I've seen yet!!!!
Why does it look like the scoop is attached with screws?
Scott Smith of Harms has shared a bunch of cool photos on our E-Bodies Facebook site. There's a big thread over there about M46's right now
@cuda hunter (http://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=176) should take a look.
Seeing how they are made I can understand them not " surviving" 48 years .
Quote from: Brads70 on February 05, 2017, 12:17:38 PM
Seeing how they are made I can understand them not " surviving" 48 years .
That is what I am thinking. The design sure was a way to catch a lot of road dirt and cause rusting.
Sorry I hadn't seen this yet.
scoops were covered with rubber. They came in both metal and aluminum backing. They were held on with screws. But there are two or maybe three styles of screw hold ons.
The one thing that i have yet to find is an M46 with the non red stripe on the body line. Every one I have ever seen is red and white. I believe they came in blue but have not seen this.
I own an Ev2 383 auto car M46.
I have a pair of scott's reproduction plastic scoops and a few original scoops to go along with it. Some in very poor shape. The metal scoops tended to rust and would bubble and look horrible. But the aluminum ones never rusted and will not usually look bad.
I will try to get some pics up on here of some of the cars I have saved over the years.
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Since we have cuda hunter answering questions.
Was the M46 a factory install only or did they also do it at the dealer?
From what I have found they were only installed at the factory.
I have seen build sheets with M46 but have never seen any information about a dealer actually installing them on a car. Nor have I seen or heard any info on any dealership ever having these on the shelf as parts.
So as far as I know they were only installed at the factory.
That last picture of the reflective stripe is from my car. Still has some of the original striping on it. :twothumbsup:
I will say that dwight is the man with most of the answers. That guy has a collection of M46's unlike anyone I have ever talked to. Have not met him yet.
Not sure if he is on here yet.
no registry yet.
Wish I could do it but with my current job I just don't have time. Nor am I very tech savy.
It would be nice to have one for this as this is one of the hardest options to find out there. I have been looking for over ten years now for this option.
I own one. Could have purchased another with no fender tag or title. passed on it. :headbang: should have purchased it. fe5 318 no rust. purchased the scoops out of the trunk from the guy. Still kick myself over that one.
This is what was in the trunk when he opened it up. He had not opened the trunk since he had purchased it. I wanted a fender tag in order to purchase it. Again, wish I had purchased it.
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Quote from: the_cuda_guy on February 03, 2017, 12:29:08 AM
Moparal's M46 car I think was a 383 4sp car, and was very affordable when he sold it. At one point I think this car was deemed the closest for accuracy on a M46 restored car.
Al's car was just awesome. Sold for a very reasonable price. I purchased Al's one spare passengers side scoop that was in horrible condition. And I waaaaaay over paid for it. But it's what he paid. :D
I talked to Al about 8 months ago. Tried calling again and did not get through. Hey Cuda Guy have you spoken with Al lately? I have been expecting his kin to come through Colorado for some Elk hunting that I am going to help guide them to.
Good ole Al. found this pic. Wish he was able to be around more.
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Barts scoops were not correct by any means. They looked good for sure. So did his car. But not very close to the originals.
I know HemiKen (over on cc.com) has been trying to get me to send him a set over in Australia for years now. I just have a hard time sending parts to another country. Kinda hard to go get them back if something weird happens. Ken wants to reproduce them in the original style but with updated materials.
Scotts reproductions work for sure. Look find when mounted. They are a little bendy since they are abs plastic but they work just fine with a little doctoring. I sure appreciate Scott making those scoops. I only got my hands on one set from him. At least I got those. They will go on my 67 barracuda "warrior" My monstrosity.
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This car has BOTH styles of tail panel molding installed.
3 piece & 4 piece.
Pretty cool huh.
That's why I keep as many pics as I can.
More info on Gordon's old fy1
eBAY SELLER NAME, HARLEYSNHOTRODZ (97) fLORIDA
VIN (Vehicle Identification Number): BH23GOB113378 Year: 1970 Interior Color: Black Make: Plymouth Number of Cylinders: 8 Model: Barracuda Transmission: Automatic
Trim: M46 option Body Type: U/K Engine: 5.2L 5212CC 318Cu. In. V8 GAS OHV Naturally Aspirated Vehicle Title: Clear Drive Type: RWD Fuel Type: GAS Mileage: 0
For Sale By: Private Seller Exterior Color: Yellow
Ebay add
You are bidding on a very rare 1970 Barracuda project with the very rare M46 option in the original color Lemon Twist Yellow w black interior.For those not familiar below is a short explanation of the M46 option. This is not your run of the mill 70 E body.ONLY 433 PRODUCED IN 1970 THIS IS ONE OF 415 EVER BUILT W V8. The car has all new AMD sheet metal where needed tacked and fitted needs some spot welds finished.The fender aprons, cowl,frame rails,rocker panels,rear shock mount sections and drivers door(with original ID tag build date 9-69) are original and rust free.The original fender tag is on the car and decoded below.Car has original matching numbers 318 and 904 trans (not running as of posting but complete all there except air cleaner) but the engine had a factory 340 4bbl intake and aftermarket headers added in the 80's i do not have the 2bbl OEM intake but i do have the carb.Here is a list of the parts that come with this purchase all in perfect or very good condition - perfect black dash pad - rally gauge cluster and trim - black overhead console - black floor console & shifter - new bumpers front and rear - perfect glass - perfect grill & headlight trim
- M46 rocker panel scoops - rust free rally hood - black door panels - all M46 specific exterior trim - 2 sets of tail lights - 15" ralley wheels - front and rear seats/ frames in need of re-upholstery - LOTS of misc parts and extra's plus an AC box if you want to add factory air ***The only thing i do not have for this car is the seat covers,headliner and carpet that i know of and some parts are original and unrestored New AMD sheet metal includes: - DS and PS 1/4 panels - front valance - rear valance - deck lid - PS and DS front fenders - roof skin - outer trunk filler between deck lid and rear glass - New front and rear floor sections - New 1 piece trunk pan - New side trunk drops
Please read carefully and ask all questions before you bid.I can be reached by phone at nine 04 two three eight 38 seven zero.Buyer is responsible for all transport arrangments and cost from 32656
Keystone Heights , Florida. I can assist with loading.The car is at my restoration shop with access for a commercial transporter.Being sold as is with clean title and bill of sale
Decoding of Fender Tag: Botttom to Top, Left to Right
Code Description BH23 B = Plymouth Barracuda H = High 23 = 2 Door Hardtop GOB G = 318 230HP 1-2BBL 8 CYL 0 = 1970 B = Dodge Main, Hamtramck, MI, USA
113378 Sequence Number '113378' H6X9 Trim Grade/Style/Color H = High 6 = Vinyl Bucket Seats X9 = Black
D31 Upper Door Frame: Light Duty 904 Automatic Transmission TorqueFlite
EX4 Error
026919 Order Number: 026919
Y05 Built to U.S. Specifactations
FY1 Top Banana / Lemon Twist
000 Full Door Panel
P03 Unknown At This Time
EN1 End of Codes Assembly Line 1
VX1 Unknown At This Time
C55 Bucket Seats
M21 Roof Drip Rail Moldings
M46 Simulated Quaterpan Scoop
R11 Music Master Radio AM
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Scotts reproduction scoops in primer
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This info was given to me. No proof in a book or whatever though.
M46 is an option that you will only find on a barracuda in 1970 only. Simulated rear quarter scoops, Non functional, just for looks. It had a black out on the bottom sides, a blacked out tail panel and a blacked out grill and valance. The top of the side black out had a blue and white or red and white reflective stripe. Very few made.
I've found 4 in 8 years. All with major problems. Out of all those cars (21,891) only 433 M46 cars produced, 415 M46 were V8. total of 15 M46 Convertibles
Quote from: cuda hunter on February 07, 2017, 10:09:43 AM
B Kinda hard to go get them back if something weird happens. Ken wants to reproduce them in the original style but with updated materials.
Scotts reproductions work for sure. Look find when mounted. They are a little bendy since they are abs plastic but they work just fine with a little doctoring. I sure appreciate Scott making those scoops. I only got my hands on one set from him. At least I got those. They will go on my 67 barracuda "warrior" My monstrosity.
have you looked into 3d printing them? there is a store up in the Springs to try http://the3dprintingstore.com/
Hey Cuda Hunter
Do you have any adverts or flier info on the M46 option from the dealer? I'm just wondering how they were trying to sell this back in the day? I've never heard of it before so...
B
Nope. Never seen anything. If I hear of something I try to find out about it so that's one thing I have never known. How they were trying to sell them.
Would love to see some real documents from old Ma.
With no advertising, I can see why there weren't many made.
Thought you might like this, it's from Germany Moparshop show recently.
Cool! Been a while since I have seen dutch's car. Wonder if the folks behind it are the new owners.
Yes, the Cuda was sold some years ago from the Netherlands to Germany
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That's a good looking car!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
those are Coronet/Dart hood scoops
Here is a M46 in Washington, with tags, (and scoops safe at home ) 318 4speed car. Originally yellow. Considering selling out of the fleet.
messaged you. Looks like a nice ride.
Would love to know some more info on the car.
So, B5 Bee over on Moparts sent me a pm and told me that he found a build sheet in his car that was for an M46 car. There were two build sheets in his car, a V code and a G code M46.
He sent the build sheets to Barry Washington. I contacted Barry about the build sheet as I would like to have any information on any M46 that I can get. Mostly because I don't know of one build sheet that I can see that has this on the sheet.
Barry won't supply any information unless I own the car. So, more information lost to his giant suppository of "private" information.
The vin for the car is as follows. BH23G0B166082 - M46 Barracuda.
I'm sure no one out there has this car that is going to read this thread. But if it happens, your build sheet is in Barry's huge private archive. Hit him up to get it.
Quote from: cuda hunter on December 10, 2017, 09:27:25 AM
So, B5 Bee over on Moparts sent me a pm and told me that he found a build sheet in his car that was for an M46 car. There were two build sheets in his car, a V code and a G code M46.
He sent the build sheets to Barry Washington. I contacted Barry about the build sheet as I would like to have any information on any M46 that I can get. Mostly because I don't know of one build sheet that I can see that has this on the sheet.
Barry won't supply any information unless I own the car. So, more information lost to his giant suppository of "private" information.
The vin for the car is as follows. BH23G0B166082 - M46 Barracuda.
I'm sure no one out there has this car that is going to read this thread. But if it happens, your build sheet is in Barry's huge private archive. Hit him up to get it.
Good ol' Barry.....just helping out the hobby :clapping: :thumbdown: :-X :steamingmad: :tired:
So, if I started an M46 registry, yal think Barry would help out with build sheets?
Such a worthless rare car. 90% of them are 318 cars. like I'm gonna copy the codes onto another semi worthless bh code barracuda...
Drives me nuts.
I asked him about production figures on AAR's that he has in his registry... ."how many were purple/white with louvers ?".....he sent me a link to his "donation page"...... :unbelievable:
I'm not a fan... :bye:
Well I asked just how many M46's he has in his "registry" of papers. We'll see if I get a donations page.
So if I donate, maybe he will tell me he's got the one build sheet.
Well I just purchased 3 scoops. Out of Canada. Been trying to get this set for like 2.5 years.
Finally got the go ahead. Money's in the mail. scoops to be in the mail this week. :banana:
Quote from: cuda hunter on December 10, 2017, 10:24:30 AM
Well I just purchased 3 scoops. Out of Canada. Been trying to get this set for like 2.5 years.
Finally got the go ahead. Money's in the mail. scoops to be in the mail this week. :banana:
Congratulations on a long search. Be sure and share pictures when you get them Josh. :cheers:
I will take some photos before storage for sure.
I'm wondering how similar they are to the other styles of scoops that I have.
Great Thread :bravo:
It's to bad you didn't get that build sheet or a photo of it, but at least you have the VIN so that if the car shows up without the scoops, you'll know it did originally have them.
I wonder if the other cars on the assembly line next to it were also M46 cars.
I would assume they were mixed in just like the hemi's.
Look, there is one thing the m46's and the hemi's had in common.
These two B.S.'s were found in B5's V code BS23V0B157390
BS23V0B157442
BH23G0B166082 - M46 Barracuda.
Note the spread in VINs, the scheduled production dates are 11 days apart. The broadcast sheet print sequence numbers are only 4 apart, so we have yet another case where the cars were actually produced out of VIN sequence.
B5's V code is BS23V0B157390. Build sheet was found in a car in B.C. Canada. B5's car has never left Florida. Barry had it and sent it to B5.
See, Barry's "service" does do some people some good.
this is B5 bee's information that was given to me.
Just today Barry connected a man with a T/A-AAR engine with a friend of mine who owns the AAR that was missing it's original engine.... He's helped allot of people but he's very particular about his rules...
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2416184/blue-aar-cuda-at-spring-fling-show-in-2012-know-the-owner.html#Post2416184
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on December 10, 2017, 05:08:45 PM
Just today Barry connected a man with a T/A-AAR engine with a friend of mine who owns the AAR that was missing it's original engine.... He's helped allot of people but he's very particular about his rules...
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2416184/blue-aar-cuda-at-spring-fling-show-in-2012-know-the-owner.html#Post2416184
I have dealt with Barry on a few things and have nothing but :perfect10: to say about him. Maybe it is the approach some take that gets them to this point :headbang:
This is a small list of production dates. These are the only cars I have information on currently.
A09 -ff4
923 -fe5
826 -ff4
818 fy1
9/69 fe5
9/69 fy1
821 fy1
910 ev2
915 ev2
908 fc7
? FJ6 production date soon to come
? fe5
The last one is a very high vin number compared to all the others. Too bad I didn't get a picture of the door sticker for that last one. It didn't retain it's fender tag or build sheet.
I thought I had info on a few more :dunno: but here are some M46 Barracudas
:-[ forgot LA
Awesome, thanks for adding to this.
Would that be the cars below the middle of that or would all of them have M46's?
all of them are M46 cars - "0B" Michigan built above & "0E" California built below the caption
Oh of course I see it now.
That ev2 with tan interior is awesome!
Well you can add another to that list . just put up details over on wiw.
I've now counted out 26 known M46's.
But I found a post from Barry on mofarts from 2010 that says he knows of 25 M46's.
Sure would like to add those cars to my info. Too bad...
Great thread but was it ever established that the option was only available on Cudas but not Challengers? I was looking over my broadcast sheet and found what appears to be the M46 code on my Challenger but maybe in the dodge line M46 means something else?
My car did not have them when I bought it but there were lots of little changes to the car by previous owners over the years. I've never noticed these scoops on e body cars before but now that I'm seeing them, I really like them.
I'm unfamiliar with the 70 M46 on chally's.
I believe on the 2-4 it was the little scoop behind the door on the quarter panel.
Would like to see if it's the same on the 70 but definitely not the same as the barracuda only M46 scoop.
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on February 20, 2019, 09:33:01 AM
..... I was looking over my broadcast sheet and found what appears to be the M46 code on my Challenger but maybe in the dodge line M46 means something else? .....
during late September early October of '69 - a number of '69 broadcast sheet forms ended up on the assembly line - the layout is different & your "M4
6" is actually "L7
6" (heater controls lamp)
@70 Challenger Lover (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/70-challenger-lover_962) post (or email: dhead68@hotmail.com) your full sheet & I'll straighten it out
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on February 20, 2019, 09:33:01 AM
Great thread but was it ever established that the option was only available on Cudas but not Challengers? I was looking over my broadcast sheet and found what appears to be the M46 code on my Challenger but maybe in the dodge line M46 means something else?
My car did not have them when I bought it but there were lots of little changes to the car by previous owners over the years. I've never noticed these scoops on e body cars before but now that I'm seeing them, I really like them.
Did you notice that you F Series 1970 Challenger Broadcast Information was printed on the wrong E Series 1969 paper sheet ?
The "6" you are referring to likely lines up with something totally different when printed on the correct year Broadcast Sheet. :alan2cents:
23 seconds.... DAM Dan :pullinghair: :haha:
I did notice that the sheet was 1969. My car was an earlier production 70 car so I guess it makes sense they would use up the old forms. I was using the decoder in here and quite a few things didn't quite line up for the 70 template for decoding. When I saw the m46 on there, it really piqued my curiosity. That makes sense that it didn't have them. The paint is original and I saw no evidence that holes were ever filled and painted over.
I need to talk Cody into building a 1969 decoder. There are a bunch of codes on my sheet that I'm having trouble lining up and doing it manually isn't working either.
From the info from this thread, it is a pair of non-functional scoops? Wonder how much the M46 option cost. They look kinda cool, but obviously not a popular option.
M46 was a $35.80 OPTION - which seems like a good value for the scoops/stripes/black paint :dunno:
I think it was a styling progression from the "sporty" packages from prior years, but was quickly forgotten after the introduction of the E-body 'cudas
Was that 35.80 cost for the 70 option?
Any chance you know what the actual part number is for the scoops?
I have to say on the 69 it really helped the look.
It looks like if you got that option the gill moldings won't fit. I'd rather the gills. Most people would think they were home made custom jobs attached. Now I know to look for them at swap meets.
Quote from: 6pack on February 20, 2019, 03:58:06 PM
It looks like if you got that option the gill moldings won't fit. I'd rather the gills. Most people would think they were home made custom jobs attached. Now I know to look for them at swap meets.
These scoops were NOT available on a Cuda were they ? Only Barracuda, while the rocker "gill" moldings were standard on the Cuda and Not available on the Barracuda. So really it wouldn't matter.
Quote from: anlauto on February 20, 2019, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: 6pack on February 20, 2019, 03:58:06 PM
It looks like if you got that option the gill moldings won't fit. I'd rather the gills. Most people would think they were home made custom jobs attached. Now I know to look for them at swap meets.
These scoops were NOT available on a Cuda were they ? Only Barracuda, while the rocker "gill" moldings were standard on the Cuda and Not available on the Barracuda. So really it wouldn't matter.
Correct. Not available on Cuda or Gran Coupe as they both had very specific rocker moldings. 70 barracuda did not have a rocker molding so the scoops worked well on that platform.
This M46 has surfaced again. Unfortunately the new owner does not have a build sheet or the tag. Same as the last owner.
And it's gonna have the stripes and what not erased and car turned into a custom car.
Nice AAR Cuda door :dunno:
Quote from: cuda hunter on February 20, 2019, 01:03:11 PM
Was that 35.80 cost for the 70 option?
Any chance you know what the actual part number is for the scoops?
I have to say on the 69 it really helped the look.
Put a pair on your 'winged' 'cuda!
Quote from: dodj on February 27, 2019, 08:36:20 AM
Quote from: cuda hunter on February 20, 2019, 01:03:11 PM
Was that 35.80 cost for the 70 option?
Any chance you know what the actual part number is for the scoops?
I have to say on the 69 it really helped the look.
Put a pair on your 'winged' 'cuda!
I am. I have a set of Scott harms reproduction scoops.
Josh,
When are we gonna get a walk around pics of all (or some) of your car stuff you own said you'd get to doing? :Stirring: :pokeeye:
Everything is covered in snow currently. Spring time. Not too long, month or two.
Where would I even start that thread?
Quote from: Topcat on February 27, 2019, 07:47:35 PM
Josh,
When are we gonna get a walk around pics of all (or some) of your car stuff you own said you'd get to doing? :Stirring: :pokeeye:
Start a new thread called the Bear den.
:veryexcited: :haha:
Just because I'm always looking for M46 stuff I thought I would bring it this up here.
I have an opportunity at an M46 tag but I must find something that is worthy enough for his trade.
https://forum.e-bodies.org/cuda-and-challenger-general-discussion-roseville-moparts/2/fender-tag-needed/14152/
@cuda hunter
I found this just now on Facebook. Looks like an M46 car!
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interesting :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I had to join gen3 hemi parts. I'm waiting on my acceptance.
Unless someone knows how to find the ad aside from that.
I guess I could message Joseph but he said he doesn't do messenger.
I messaged him. joined the group to get in.
Too bad that one died.
Quote from: cuda hunter on February 23, 2020, 08:25:50 AM
I had to join gen3 hemi parts. I'm waiting on my acceptance.
Unless someone knows how to find the ad aside from that.
I guess I could message Joseph but he said he doesn't do messenger.
I messaged him. joined the group to get in.
Hitch up the trailer and fuel up the truck! :D You should be able to do better than 10k!
I agree. 10K is really pushing it for what is visible. Looks like another 5-6K rust bucket. And from the South again.
I've joined the group, messaged him, commented on the post, and liked the post. All I can do is wait for him to contact me.
EV2 with a tan interior is my favorite. However it's only a 318 car as he says. So, not as valuable as my L or N code ev2's.
Just waiting now.
Quote from: 6bblgt on February 20, 2019, 12:25:18 PM
M46 was a $35.80 OPTION - which seems like a good value for the scoops/stripes/black paint :dunno:
I think it was a styling progression from the "sporty" packages from prior years, but was quickly forgotten after the introduction of the E-body 'cudas
In reference to the 1969 M-code. The stripes and scoops shown were part of the 'cuda trim package of which there were three. A56 340, A57 383, A13 440. The code for the scoops is M47. They were also used on the Duster Twister package in 1973.
THAT M46 70 BARRACUDA HAS BEEN SOLD A FRIEND OF MINE BOUGHT THE CAR ..... :ohyeah:
forwarded the info to him. thanks :veryexcited:
SWEET !!! I hope he hooks up the info! Much appreciate the try !!
Other then the purple one floating around, maybe a red one as well.....Are we ever going to see a CORRECTLY restored M46 Barracuda ?
The fc7 one was restored by mopar al. That car had zero rust with very little to no repairs needed in the restoration. An Arizona car as I recall.
The Fe5 car, I believe is an original paint car, the same fella that owns that one owns an Ff4 car that is also original paint.
I have not seen these personally but I believe that is the case.
I will do one if I can find one that doesn't require metal work like the three I have. I can't loose my ass on restoring one just because I really like the cars. If I was to do one I would do the Ev2 N code manual that I have as it makes the most sense. But, it needs 8K worth of metal just to start it. So, no.
find me a restorable one and I will consider it. The stripe kit is out there somewhere. I might even do a blue stripe if I find the right color one.
If a vert landed in my lap, well then that's a different story.
I assume you have included Gordon's car in there somewhere? Not sure if he even still has it? He still posts a lot on facebook but never see a picture of the car? Last I saw, it sure was cut up quite a bit before he was moving or something?
Quote from: Brads70 on February 28, 2020, 05:10:11 AM
I assume you have included Gordon's car in there somewhere? Not sure if he even still has it? He still posts a lot on facebook but never see a picture of the car? Last I saw, it sure was cut up quite a bit before he was moving or something?
Ya, last I saw it had a lot of metal removed, roof included, and it was still sitting on it's wheels in a dirt/gravel floor garage. Probably have to put it on a rack to straighten it out again? :dunno:
Gordon's was bh23gob113378
As I understand he sold it to a flipper company. They sold it as a project.
I did try to purchase it but the money just wasn't right from either of them.
Gordon wanted 10K for what was there and the dealer was something like that also. And it sold twice. I lost track of it as we all know dealers don't let you know who the last person was to purchase.
kinda like that orange one on facebook. Not a 10K car from what I could see. but I don't know any details.
my friend got the car last night i will send him your number complete car no motor or trans 318 rally dash ek2 may have its buildsheet he will be looking for it. scoops still attached to car and in perfect condition anyone looking for a set?
I'm in for sure.
Well depending upon price of course.
So I'm pretty sure @cuda hunter was the one that "hunted" me down I guess you could say [emoji23] as I do own a EV2 M46 Barracuda and I know there is still a bunch of people who don't always keep up on facebook Instagram here's a really bad side shot of it after just finishing up replacing the rotted out floor and crossmember(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200328/c289f6311926e5dc13651ee44ef73681.jpg)
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Also not for sale but you guys seem interested in here and I didnt know where else I should post [emoji23]
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is this one on the "list" or is it an additional M46 car?
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 28, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
is this one on the "list" or is it an additional M46 car?
I'm not 100% sure he said he had my tag listed but wasn't 100% of it was still alive or chopped up
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The tag detail is not listed necessarily by me. It's out here.
But this car is number 14 on my current list of 23 known.
This one being an A built car, October, is one of 6 built in October.
The majority of my little list were built in August and September. Only one other one known was built in April of 70.
I am very appreciative of your willingness to share your awesome car with us!!
Is this the M46 in question or is this another M46 that has been listed on e-bay recentlyz.
Pretty cool colour comination being EK2 Vitamin C with a FT5 Tan interior car and had both scoops still on the car. Optioned with a rallye cluster too!
Ken, That is the car that is listed on post #111. The post was where it was purchased from on fC.
But then I got told off for calling the next seller a flipper. For flipping the car. he purchased the m46 and a vert chally from Joseph Breach who was a very nice fella and gave me all kinds of info on the car. Car sold for 7500 as I recall. I was a bidder but after being told off for saying something in the realm of "flipper" I stopped bidding. Can't win em all. Especially when they are selling for more than they are actually worth.
But an EK2 car is really cool with a tan interior none the less. IT's one of my favorites on my list. But really really rusty. And I've got 3 really really rusty ones already.
How about an FJ5 M46?
that's a pretty sweet car! Do you own it?
would like more pictures of the bottom of the car. If you happen to own it.
I just added this car to the list I have.
https://forum.e-bodies.org/vin-fender-tag-build-sheet-and-date-codes/13/the-m46-list/16415/msg216651#msg216651
Not mine.
Its for sale here:
https://norfolk.craigslist.org/cto/d/portsmouth-1970-baracuda-mob-top/7126471867.html
He is calling it a MOD TOP but it's not. Nice guy though.
This car needs to be restored/rescued.
Some more pics:
another cool pic...
thanks for posting up some pics and info!
And welcome to Ebodies.org. Glad you stopped in. maybe go to the new members section and introduce yourself.
Here is a conversation I've had about the car so far.
https://forum.e-bodies.org/vin-fender-tag-build-sheet-and-date-codes/13/fender-tag-decode-question/16410/
It's a cool car for sure.
Sorry - my bad. Didn't see you had a thread on it already.
No bad at all. I love some more commentary. Glad you spoke up. Ya never know you might post up the next one I buy that I didn't see yet. I really appreciate the thought and hope you stick around.
Do you have ebodies yourself or are you in the market?
I got a few leads about M46's that I do not know.
Here is the only pic I have received so far. It's been seen at a car show in I believe Wisconsin.
Gonna try to locate the car, but it will be tough to find.
I have one other lead as to an owner who had one of these in Colorado. But that was years ago and I am trying to locate people , through people, through old information.
I finally joined up to e's .org.
Here is my m46 that I bought in 1980.
It had a picture on here before, as I was going to sell it.
Never did, and now I probably will.
Originally lemon twist, but I hated yellow and was making twins.
Left the scoops off at that time as I knew I'd never find another pair.
Original trunk floor, and only been hit a few times. Been on the roads for the 42 years I've owned it.
The cuda hunter has me on the list, so not a " new" find.
Looks great in that colour :lookatthat:
So does the other one. K5 deep burnt orange.
The other car is a cuda cloned into a barracuda. 440 4spd , flat hood, no tips, turn down exhaust.
Hence, twins.
Didn't realize I was looking at two different cars :rubeyes:
Your not. For now just the m46 car.
I'm so confused... :drunk: :drunk: :drunk: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: sorry must be too early for me today :headbang:
Don't worry. You thought you knew alot.
I could teach you more.
Quote from: Mr Cuda on January 29, 2022, 07:22:28 AM
So does the other one. K5 deep burnt orange.
The other car is a cuda cloned into a barracuda. 440 4spd , flat hood, no tips, turn down exhaust.
Hence, twins.
Well that`s one you don`t hear every day - a `cuda cloned into a Barracuda.
Hey cuda hunter, buy my car and you'll get the original scoops removed in 1980. Pretty sure I have build sheet and owners manual from plymouth of Compton. Forgot the actual name of dealer. Haven't looked in the file in years.
:popcorn:
How very interesting. A metal drivers side and an aluminum passengers side.
Looks like the car was painted the wrong color of fy1 once before they were taken off.
Well, you know I want to come up and take a look at the m46. As well as a look at another item.
When you are ready we can get together. A 22 hour drive isn't that fun but doable. I'll be doing Carlisle which is 28+ hours this year. A Florida drive that is also 28+ hours.
There is a certain other car that I could incorporate into the trip as well.
Wyoming is the next trip after a B5 A12. :ohyeah:
The scoops sure do look minty. Might be a nicer set than any I've seen so far.
A little fuzzy in the pics is why I gotta say might.
bh23G0E104403 had both metal and aluminum backed scoops. They were the opposite sides though.
https://forum.e-bodies.org/body-shop/5/m46-scoop-details/16458/msg217150#msg217150
Post #3 if interested.
Quote from: cuda hunter on March 02, 2022, 07:34:10 PM
How very interesting. A metal drivers side and an aluminum passengers side.
How can you tell that one is aluminum from that picture?
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This just in....
One steel, one aluminum. I might even wash them and put a new picture on. The are still dirty from taking them off 40 years ago.
Sweet!! :bradsthumb:
His name is Gary Thomas if you can't find it.
Thanks guys! I just saw this ad now. Much appreciated!
I sent a pm to the guy for the scoop.
However, there are two other people on there that have mentioned they know of M46's. One of which is a convertible. I am trying to get any info from those fellas about the other M46's. Especially the vert!
Those are some nice looking scoops!
In talking to the m46 scoop hunter, we decided I should put down all my recollections of m46 cars from the neighborhood here.
As previously stated, I bought mine in the winter of 79 as a project for auto body trade school.
I immediately realized it was an odd barracuda, and not just that it was a manual. Mine had already suffered a horrible repaint, over the black bottom AND the stripe tape separating body and bottom black.
As was standard practice, looking for parts as there was no aftermarket, I found 2 m46 cars. One being put together as a Cuda, a 383-2 4 spd in purple, and an orange 318 4spd, that was already stripped, scoops gone, on the way to the crusher. I bought the damaged fender, header panel, and hump from that car and fixed them.
From then it was several years before I saw another, a red 318 4 spd with rubber front bumper, on a car lot for $2500!!!!. That was alot for a 318 car in 84'. I actually went and looked at it, it was very nice.
Then nothing for 20-30 years till this guy (cudahunter)started posting about the illusive m46.
Common wisdom of the day was that it was a package car, several graphics, no performance, to drive sales.
And since the were all built in LA, a car like the California special mustang, looks, no performance.
I had never seen an automatic m46, so I assumed they all were manual. I wonder what the split was?
And were they all made in L A?
Your recollections are wanting. A 383+2 motor was only available with an automatic transmission. There are zero cars with that motor and a standard transmission, in an E Body.
Was there any 383-2bbls with the standard 3spd manual ? just curious :clueless:
None. Automatic ONLY, period. That is the only choice, or no choice, if you know what i mean.
If you really wanted a 383+2 manual transmission equipped car, you'd be looking at a 1969 C Body, like a New Yorker, etc, the base model was a 383+2 with column shift manual! D12 on the fender tag. And that was the only manual trans you could get on that car, all others were automatics.
Currently, on the list, https://forum.e-bodies.org/vin-fender-tag-build-sheet-and-date-codes/13/the-m46-list/16415/msg279898#msg279898 there are 11 that were built in L.A. and 14 Hamtramck cars.
Of those documentable cars on the list, there are
3-L codes
8-N codes
15 G codes
Of those L codes, 2 are D32's and I can't find my info on #17. bh23LOB128722 fy1 x9 919
apparently I need to learn to organize.
L31 M21 M46 R11 Y05 EN1
FY1 A01 B51 C16 C55 G36
FY1 H6X9 000 919 015950
E61 D32 BH23 L0B 128722
There is also one made on 910 and one on 821, both Detroit, the 821 is a convertible, both are D32 cars, because they come no other way.
That makes 4 L codes with D32.
Thanks for posting that. I found where I have the info but do not have a picture of the tag.
Received the info from a previous owner of the car.
Happen to have any photos of this one? BH23L0B128722
Quote from: 198D13 on May 03, 2022, 06:35:16 AM
There is also one made on 910 and one on 821, both Detroit, the 821 is a convertible, both are D32 cars, because they come no other way.
#6 is a picture that I received from Ola. Any other info on this vert?
5. bh23G0B103821 Fy1 X9 821
6.
bh27N0B103832 Fe5 X9 821These are the only 910's I have on my list.
4. bh23GoE103xxx ff4 f8 910
16. bh23L0B119545 Ev2 X9 910
I've not seen the 27 that has a 910 date. Matter of fact I only have the one vert tag and minimal info. I would love to add another 27 to the list. I know there were a few more out there as I have pictures of the cars.
The 821 car is EV2 and an "L" code. Not many options, I'll dig up the info. tonight. Was sold new in WA and sometime later ended up in Alberta, Canada. Last I had heard, it was sold to someone near Detroit and made into a bogus 'cuda.
Bogus is such a good word, no question of what it means,......... FAKE. Clone is a useless word than can mean anything.
Y05 EN1
V3W A01 C55 L31 M46 R11
EV2 H6XW 000 821 017714
E61 D32 BH27 L0B 104592
As mentioned before, it is redundant for you to mention that an "L" code car comes with a D32 transmission. That is the ONLY transmission that you could get with that motor.
Wow! Thanks for the info. Where can I read the info that states that the L codes only came with automatic 727's? Would like to add that to my information and have not seen that info, that I recall.
The information is in your blue 1970 Plymouth Data Book, which of course you would have since you are obviously serious about documenting these cars.
Quote from: 198D13 on May 13, 2022, 07:26:55 AM
The information is in your blue 1970 Plymouth Data Book, which of course you would have since you are obviously serious about documenting these cars.
Which of course we have a copy right here on our main site :twothumbsup:
Page four under: Specifications All Plymouth Models
Adding this car and it's pictures to the wanted thread. Would like info on this car.
It was located in Milwaukee at the Georgie Porgie show.
BH23N0E102923
The fender tag was apparently at home. I received pics and info from a friend, who received it through a friend who took the pics. One year it took for the car to show up again. If anyone has info, please let me know. I'll be trying to find this fella.
The last picture, is the only picture I received last year of this car. If I can get a fender tag detail or a build sheet detail I will add this to the M46 list. https://forum.e-bodies.org/vin-fender-tag-build-sheet-and-date-codes/13/the-m46-list/16415/15
Looks to be restored and the taping looks to be the reproduction tape. FJ6
Unless the colour is actually FJ5, not FJ6, something would not be correct about this car. FJ6 was introduced in late February 1970 along with FM3, that VIN is way too early for the FJ6 colour to have been available yet.
Looks FJ5 to me :rubeyes:
Quote from: anlauto on July 24, 2022, 09:59:41 AM
Looks FJ5 to me :rubeyes:
Looks like FJ5 limelight not FJ6 sassy grass
Is it still in WI?
Ok. Cool. I had no idea that fj6 was not available before February.
Does appear to be fj5.
BH23N0E102923 Should fall in with #4 on the list. If vin's made up order on the line, this car would be on the same assembly line.
4. bh23G0E102911 fc7 X9 908 D21 alive
Without the fender tag and or the door sticker we don't know when this car would have actually came off the line. Hopefully, one day I will receive more info on the car.
The owner, apparently asked if there is a registry for these cars. Butt being 3 people removed my simple info was not transferred. That's all good though!
Flat hood
Vin appears to be unrestored, but removed and replaced on the dash pad. Hence the circle mark on the right lower rivet.
Black grill. Since the owner knows nothing of my writings here I am assuming that the
original grill for this car was a black grill and replicated for this restoration.
However, the red lines have been added (I believe).
This is only the 3rd M46 I have record of that has wheel lip moldings.
The other two cars that I have record of that have M26 option do not have M26 noted on the fender tag. Would this code, M26 only have been available on the build sheet?
Would this M26 option came on another possible option for the car?
The car has belt moldings. Top of door and bottom of rear side window. Would that have been a specific option as well that came with another larger trim option?
This being option M31 that I have seen on fender tags I would expect to see M31 on the tag unless this came with another larger trim option.
E plant would have N95 on the fender tag and v1x twice.
I would assume the rally wheels are incorrect for the car but the build sheet would be the only way to confirm that option. Correct?
The rear window exterior trim is the louvered style of trim. Textured (appears) and black.
Both front fenders have Barracuda and 383 emblems.
Would that be correct for both fenders?
Pentastar is down in the black out on the passengers side.
I understand the passengers side is correct for the star, but is it supposed to be down in the black out or just above that?
It appears to have reproduction striping as the pictures I have of original striping are all wrapped around the doors and fenders so that you pretty much can not make out the end of the pin stripe from the exterior of the car.
Black interior. X9
Wood grain wheel.
Painted mirrors both sides. G31 and G33 Or would it be G36?
Dual down turn tips. Being an N code, this could be factory, right?
The scoop itself appears to either be the reproduction scoops from Scott Harms or they have received a considerable amount of primer under the black paint.
Scott's reproduction scoops are grey plastic. The two chips show grey coming through.
I tried to call out Scott Harm's by the @ symbol but no luck. I would like another set of his reproduction scoops. I know someone needing a set, or one. Would like to help out.
Quote from: Skdmark on July 24, 2022, 11:01:06 AM
Quote from: anlauto on July 24, 2022, 09:59:41 AM
Looks FJ5 to me :rubeyes:
Looks like FJ5 limelight not FJ6 sassy grass
Is it still in WI?
As far as I know, yes. It showed up once last year and I got that last picture. This year it was there again and I got pics of it from the Georgie Porgie show. I didnt take the pics.
I'm going to put down several M46's vin's and some info here on this wanted ad. (next post)
Mostly because I want information about these cars if anyone has anything.
These were given to me as apparently this is old information but hasn't been put out in the public view.
These following vins and or information are only hearsay. I know nothing more than just a little bit of this info. If any item is wrong, apologies. Please correct me with proper documentation.
Thank you, the people who passed this info along to me. This is the largest m46 grouping of information I have received since starting my search for these over 15 years ago.
The info is very appreciated and valuable (not $) to me.
I had a chance to buy a set mid 1980's. I was buying an NOS trunk floor and the guy showed me the scoops and asked me if I was interested. I declined and thought he was smoking crack as I had never heard of them.
Seller was in Eastern Shore MD just over the bay bridge. His dad was a sheriff.
1. BH23G0B103140 819 FY1 V1X X9 D31 MoparAl Alabama
2. BH23G0E103533 910 EB5 EB5 B5 parted out
3. BH23G0E103596 910 FF4 FF4 F8 D31 Ebay Redwing,Minnesota
4. BH27L0B104592 821 EV2 V3W XW D32 driven N Washington
5. BH23L0E104787 917 EV2 V1X X9 D32 Washington
6. BH23G0E105410 922 BL1 V1G T5 parted out
7. BH23N0E105439 922 FT6 FT6 X9
8. BH23G0E105783 FK5 V1X Washington
9. BH23L0E106206 924 FK5 FK5 X9 D32 Washington
10. BH23N0E111094 A10 FY1 V1X X9 D21
11. OB 113366 BH27
12. BH23L0E115747 or BH27L0E115747
13. BH23L0E126838 or BH27L0E126838
14. BH23G0B166082 A23 FJ5 FJ5 X9 Barry build sheet
15. 2363xx BH23 BH27 ??
Quote from: Mr Cuda on May 02, 2022, 04:41:43 PM
and an orange 318 4spd, that was already stripped, scoops gone, on the way to the crusher. I bought the damaged fender, header panel, and hump from that car and fixed them.
@Mr Cuda (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mr-cuda_14120) Would this be the car you are speaking of?
Quote from: larry4406 on July 24, 2022, 12:02:35 PM
I had a chance to buy a set mid 1980's. I was buying an NOS trunk floor and the guy showed me the scoops and asked me if I was interested. I declined and thought he was smoking crack as I had never heard of them.
Seller was in Eastern Shore MD just over the bay bridge. His dad was a sheriff.
MD would be almost the other side of the world for me. I'll look though.
Would love a set of NOS to reproduce some aluminum scoops.
Lost in time cars from when you could buy a project for $250. I know I did. Bought one barracuda for $50, and one was free.
The orange car that I referenced, I took the hump, that one is still there. That car got scrapped. Minor rust holes in qtr bottoms would have made it "junk"
The purple one was definitely a factory 4 spd, the engine code I don't know, but it must have been a 4bbl, as it had 383 emblems . Putting in a 2bbl to keep it running would have been logical.
Red one, who knows, no one logged vins. The one here had magnums. Where has that one been? Someone must remember something about the previous owners.
By the mid eighties, people were starting to care.
I know my car was one step from death, I bought it and saved it. No one else would bother to fix it, and it took me a year to find parts. Half a qtr, and half a tail panel. Reproductions were years away.
The red one is in Washington. Bought there and remains there. As I understand.
Not many A21's, with D21's, and FE5 with G-E44's. That is a very very similar resemblance.
A few things to post.
#1. Alan Lemon's old car, 1. BH23G0B103140 819 FY1 V1X X9 D31 MoparAl Alabama
Now looks like this.
Notice, even with the total modifications the fender tag is still intact.
Anyone recognize this car?
And this,
About #14 on the list, BH23G0B166082
It's in Barry's dungeon of unclaimed build sheets.
As noted here on page 5, post 69 . Here, https://forum.e-bodies.org/cars-for-sale-or-wanted/8/wanted-1970-barracuda-with-m46-option/551/60
And first noted by me here on page 1.
https://forum.e-bodies.org/vin-fender-tag-build-sheet-and-date-codes/13/m46-numbers-question/14941/
And here, brought up on post number two of my free cuda items at hamtramck historical.
https://www.forebodiesonly.com/forum/threads/free-barracuda-items-free.27016/
As far as I can tell, first time mentioned on the web, post #601330 on moparts here.
It's in Barry's file cabinet.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/601392/1.html
And mentioned once here back before Barry left CC.com
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=55807.15
And a plug for Barry and the hamtramck historical website.
https://www.hamtramck-historical.com/previousItemOfTheMonth-2010.shtml
I've always wondered why more cars did not come with the M46 option. It's actually a pretty neat look for the car.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on August 14, 2022, 11:39:30 AM
I've always wondered why more cars did not come with the M46 option. It's actually a pretty neat look for the car.
:cheers: :drinkingbud: :ohyeah:
Hi Cuda Cody,
You asked back in 2017 whether anyone had started a registry for these cars. We could easily do that if someone else has not already done so (seems like overkill to have more than 1).
If folks want to send me a list of fields they feel should be captured in a registry, I can easily create a database for it and put a web front-end on the data. Could even build it as a web service so that any e-body website could query the data and post "reports" to their website.
Let me know if this sounds interesting, or whether you know someone else is already ding it.
TomIGo
Google TomIgo first :alan2cents:
Quote from: anlauto on February 16, 2023, 11:04:23 AM
Google TomIgo first :alan2cents:
Interesting, and not surprising. I figured there was something odd going on there.
Probably not nefarious, but....
Thought I would add this one picture of an FK5 stripe on a car from Fakebook.
Car isn't for sale, nor can I get any info on it, but that is the first fk5 I have seen a picture of.
Always looking.
cudahunter, are you saying the stripe is fk5? Looks like a standard red/white.
The car is burnt orange, but is it dark burnt orange, or k3 burnt orange?
The car paint is supposed to be fk5.
This would be the first deep burnt orange metallic that I have heard of with m46.
But, alas, the owner will not reply to anything messenger.
I really dislike fakebook, but then I get a picture off of it. frustrating.
I understand it's an fk5, with m46 original stripe and the production date is 9/69.
Typical born on date for the M46's it seems.
15,000.00 Euros = about $16,313.00 USD according to XE Currency Exchange at todays rate.
Sweet!
Thanks for posting this
@callaway First things first, How do I translate all this?
I only see one picture.
How do I pull more information about this car from this ad or the seller?
I do think 16K is a Looong stretch, but, I am unfamiliar with the market values in Finland.
Matter of a fact, the only thing I know about Finland, is the memories of a wonderful exchange student I Knew back in the day, Tarja . Ahh, the memories....
Ok, here is a start.
Hobby for sale. 70 years of barracuda, BH23G0B. The car came to me rolling, interior still. Since then dismantled. Good frame beams. No technology.
The basket numbers match. Broadcast sheet and fender tag are available.
8 3/4 lockless 489.
Initially yellow with a black vinyl roof.
In the back, three-part and cuda listings.
With rare M46 option:
Simulated scoops in the hems
Black mask and radiator support
The skirts and the lower part of the car are painted black all around, with red and white stripes at the top.
Sold with parts, some dismantled and new, some acquired.
Fenders
Header panel
Front and rear sand plates
Rear bumper
Cuda hood
Tailgate
Separate bench frames
Back seat
Manual pedal layout
Doors and window lifter mechanisms
Windows except windshield
Dashboard
Heating device
Interior parts
Rear lights
Lists
Bolts and nuts
New parts
Mash
Rear flanks
Front and back floors
Container base
Outer rear fenders
The pieces that come behind the back ribs in the lower part.
Deck filler
For more information, call
Brand: Plymouth
Model: Barracuda
Model year: 1970
Body model: Hardtop
Price: €15,000
Location: Northern Ostrobothnia, Finland
Keywords: Project
Notification submitted: 9 October 2023
Seller details
Nickname: Raggy
Phone: 0408403972
"Raggy" claims that the fender tag and BROADCAST SHEET are available.
I have yet to find a good picture of a single M46 Broadcast sheet.
I'm not familiar with translator's on the phone.
Will have to look into that and try to do a call.?
Or I will try to email.
I've not found an email yet.
@callaway Any chance that you could get email pictures of the broadcast sheet and the fender tag?
Quote from: cuda hunter on January 16, 2024, 09:29:51 PMSweet!
Thanks for posting this @callaway
First things first, How do I translate all this?
I only see one picture.
How do I pull more information about this car from this ad or the seller?
I do think 16K is a Looong stretch, but, I am unfamiliar with the market values in Finland.
Matter of a fact, the only thing I know about Finland, is the memories of a wonderful exchange student I Knew back in the day, Tarja . Ahh, the memories....
I messaged you. Will try to contact him tomorrow and get some more info four the list.
About the prices. They are pretty rare here. Sweden and Finland has the majority of E-bodies in Europe I think. But the 15k euro price is standard here for a project. You have to think, that lets say from the port in Miami to Estonia (where I live) the transport is 2000usd. Then the customs and taxes 10% and then 20% vat. Then the registration. So for a 10k car. Transport in America, contact person fee, shipping, taxes. The 10k car is in Estonia for 17-18k.
In Estonia we have only 3 E-body Cudas/Barracudas :D
Quote from: cuda hunter on January 16, 2024, 09:37:56 PM"Raggy" claims that the fender tag and BROADCAST SHEET are available.
I have yet to find a good picture of a single M46 Broadcast sheet.
I'm not familiar with translator's on the phone.
Will have to look into that and try to do a call.?
Or I will try to email.
As you can see, everyone in civilized Europe speaks English. Can't say that for the CCCP though. but they don't consider themselves to be Europe.
I've not found an email yet.
@callaway Any chance that you could get email pictures of the broadcast sheet and the fender tag?