Man I would love a shot at restoring this one. If there was a broadcast sheet or at least the original fender tag, I would be placing a bid :drooling:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1971-Plymouth-Barracuda-340-Convertible/192894885069?hash=item2ce96e5ccd:g:4rEAAOSwTmpcu0ll
Would love to restore it for anybody who wants to take the plunge :bigmoney:
Already at $15K any idea how high it might go ?
Man alive. Is there any useable parts on that car besides the VIN? And even the VIN needs a good hour to look decent. I'm definitely not in the automotive restoration business, and it is super cool that talented people can bring vehicles like this back to life. But me personally would pass. It looks like way to daunting of a task for this guy.
why? :looney: there's nothing usable & half of what's shown is from another car
I've been following this too. Hard to imagine that this rusted out trashy shell of a Cuda is worth 15k or more to people but the same restored car in a Barracuda is barely worth 50k. Crazy! I could see it if it was a six pack or hemi car.
Does this look like a better starting point ? Because at the end of the day it required almost as much metal work...
With this orange car you see exactly what you're getting....it doesn't matter if the quarter panel is half missing or was just rotted out and filled with bondo...you're going to replace it anyways... This car is original paint for the most part...look at the driver's side inner apron, firewall around the master cylinder, torsion bar crossmember, etc... it's in better shape then 90% of the car's I've restored.
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on April 21, 2019, 10:29:07 AM
I've been following this too. Hard to imagine that this rusted out trashy shell of a Cuda is worth 15k or more to people but the same restored car in a Barracuda is barely worth 50k. Crazy! I could see it if it was a six pack or hemi car.
The 1971 Cuda is the hottest car going in the highest demand of all muscle car Mopars and likely all muscle cars in general...and that means a similar 318 Barracuda is going to tag along.... the Barracuda convertible will always be worth more then a similar Challenger ...
In comparison a 71 318 Challenger convertible would likely cost half of the Barracuda you're looking at :alan2cents:
It's possible! Convertible specific parts look ok. .. ok I looked closer, convertible specific parts are pretty nasty! Windshield frame is toast!!
Interesting. :thinking:
The ad states "...still wears its original Hemi Orange paint", yet the tail panel isn't black, and has three holes (Barracuda emblem?) where there should be no holes (adhesive backed 'Cuda emblem) above the two holes where the "by Plymouth" emblem goes. I also see no holes for the stainless tail molding.
Passenger side inner fender is a 1970 version (no indent for the vapor line bracket), which could be an early '71 build date like October '70, but the original motor is dated 1/19/71?
I also don't see rocker blackout, or the rocker molding studs. :rubeyes:
I'm guessing the high bidder already owns the "donor"!
Good point on Cuda issues.. anyone seen body number pics?
Very interesting points....I don't like it as much now... :bye:
it's already a cut up EV2 Barracuda hardtop with the convertible parts added to it :takealook:
Its a project but the price anit nice
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 21, 2019, 11:23:18 AM
it's already a cut up EV2 Barracuda hardtop with the convertible parts added to it :takealook:
Okay so now that I'm more awake then when I first spotted the eBay ad this morning.....I'm leaning towards Dan's theory here....But I think it was done a long time ago and abandoned ....and it was very cleverly done....What I can't figure out is how the numbers in the cowl and rad support would match ?
HINTS:
The door striker post are from a hardtop, they do not have the convertible door wedges...
Weld burn marks along the wheel house/floor area and in the area where the rear window regulators go...
Quote from: Yellow71Cuda on April 21, 2019, 11:01:19 AM
Interesting. :thinking:
Passenger side inner fender is a 1970 version (no indent for the vapor line bracket), which could be an early '71 build date like October '70, but the original motor is dated 1/19/71?
Add doesn't say it's original motor, just "date correct", whatever that means not knowing the build date of the car.
Quote from: worthywads on April 21, 2019, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: Yellow71Cuda on April 21, 2019, 11:01:19 AM
Interesting. :thinking:
Passenger side inner fender is a 1970 version (no indent for the vapor line bracket), which could be an early '71 build date like October '70, but the original motor is dated 1/19/71?
Add doesn't say it's original motor, just "date correct", whatever that means not knowing the build date of the car.
Good point!
I cannot understand it's current bid.. Doesn't look worth much of anything to me.. Even if it were a true '71 Cuda 340 Convertible
The seller is pretty quick to answer questions. I asked him about the claim of original paint and the lack of tail panel black-out, emblem holes etc...
Here's his response:
"I could be wrong about the original coat of paint however black "organisational" peels off over decades of hot sun.
Most importantly the car has CLEARLY always been Hemi orange.
There are a total of 7 holes drilled into the tail panel. Your guess is as good as mine. Dealer tag emblem or dealer emblems perhaps. These cars had a low value in the 1980s and some people did some goofy stuff.
Taylor"
I then replied with the theory of it being two cars put together. :dunno:
Quote from: ledphoot on April 21, 2019, 12:06:17 PM
I cannot understand it's current bid.. Doesn't look worth much of anything to me.. Even if it were a true '71 Cuda 340 Convertible
It was $7500 when I found it this morning, now over $17K.... if they are honest bids I hope the high bidder knows what he's buying.
If you can't wrap your head around the current bid, then you, like most people, just don't grasp the appeal of a 71 Cuda, especially a 340 convertible. They are like finding a gold mine....Set the price and the buyers will come. :alan2cents:
So having done some metal works on rusted cars I can say that even the worst cars will have some good areas if the car was left together versus the open shell left out in the harsh weather. I'd bet money that the orange shell is coming apart at each and every spot welded seam. The white car might need a lot of major pieces but I'd guess total hours put into it would be far less in the end.
And you're certainly right about these cars being pinnacle cars. If I did buy that 318 convertible, seems like I could drop in a hemi, a four speed, and a few other "Cuda" changes and sell it for a huge profit. Not that I would but that's probably why they aren't a lot of the base model cars out there.
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on April 21, 2019, 12:13:58 PM
So having done some metal works on rusted cars I can say that even the worst cars will have some good areas if the car was left together versus the open shell left out in the harsh weather. I'd bet money that the orange shell is coming apart at each and every spot welded seam. The white car might need a lot of major pieces but I'd guess total hours put into it would be far less in the end.
And you're certainly right about these cars being pinnacle cars. If I did buy that 318 convertible, seems like I could drop in a hemi, a four speed, and a few other "Cuda" changes and sell it for a huge profit. Not that I would but that's probably why they aren't a lot of the base model cars out there.
I fully understand the desirability / rarity of a '71 Cuda Convertible.. Just sayin THAT car will not be a Cuda Convertible when it's put back together or most likely rebodied... I am more pragmatic about how I spend my money.. I'd rather enter the E-Body Convertible market with something like thisL: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Dodge-Challenger-Rotisserie-Car-RT-Options/123739868243?hash=item1ccf788c53:g:I8EAAOSw~VBcWjQo
I know it's not a Cuda convertible, but it's a beautiful car and appears to need nothing... At least to my untrained eye..
That's a great car for a great price but it's NOT a 71 Cuda and that is where the difference is. :alan2cents:
Or buy this one and drop in a 340. Of course the vin would have a G instead of an H
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401752543030
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on April 21, 2019, 12:33:10 PM
Or buy this one and drop in a 340. Of course the vin would have a G instead of an H
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401752543030
Buy them both and swap the VINs :alan2cents:
Like I said I know people are batshit crazy about '71 Cudas. I personally could care less, for $60k I could have a turnkey e-body convertible to enjoy. Somebody is gonna put a boatload of money and effort in to that "Cuda" aka hunk of rotted metal and more power to them if they pull it off. Not my cup of tea.
I am batshit crazy about 71 Cudas and I still wouldn't want that shell. And I even like doing metal work.
Quote from: anlauto on April 21, 2019, 12:09:23 PM
The seller is pretty quick to answer questions. I asked him about the claim of original paint and the lack of tail panel black-out, emblem holes etc...
Here's his response:
"I could be wrong about the original coat of paint however black "organisational" peels off over decades of hot sun.
The problem with his theory about paint peeling off is...the blackout on a 'Cuda tail panel and rockers was painted first, before body color was applied.
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on April 21, 2019, 01:05:00 PM
I am batshit crazy about 71 Cudas and I still wouldn't want that shell. And I even like doing metal work.
Right?
If the wife didn't want me to have a swimming pool installed that Challenger Convertible would already be mine.
I'd never consider that "Cuda" at any price. The "restoration" is an easy six figure task.
Quote from: anlauto on April 21, 2019, 12:37:41 PM
Buy them both and swap the VINs :alan2cents:
in the US that's a felony - promoting it (or insisting it's OK because it's done all the time) doesn't do your reputation any favors - walk into any US inspection, licensing or titling office & tell them that's what you did and see if it's still OK
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 21, 2019, 01:36:28 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 21, 2019, 12:37:41 PM
Buy them both and swap the VINs :alan2cents:
in the US that's a felony - promoting it (or insisting it's OK because it's done all the time) doesn't do your reputation any favors - walk into any US inspection, licensing or titling office & tell them that's what you did and see if it's still OK
I think Alan was just kidding. I took it as sarcasm anyway.
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 21, 2019, 01:36:28 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 21, 2019, 12:37:41 PM
Buy them both and swap the VINs :alan2cents:
in the US that's a felony - promoting it (or insisting it's OK because it's done all the time) doesn't do your reputation any favors - walk into any US inspection, licensing or titling office & tell them that's what you did and see if it's still OK
It was a joke Barry....Oops I mean Dan.... :haha: :haha: and besides it's only a felony if you get caught :vipermanhiding: (also a joke)
Quote from: anlauto on April 21, 2019, 09:50:27 AM
Would love to restore it for anybody who wants to take the plunge :bigmoney:
were you "joking" with the original post in this thread - I don't see how you can offer to restore that, later state, swap VINs on another "project" - then claim "I'm joking"
your sarcasm is lost on all but a few :brainiac:
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 21, 2019, 02:23:08 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 21, 2019, 09:50:27 AM
Would love to restore it for anybody who wants to take the plunge :bigmoney:
were you "joking" with the original post in this thread - I don't see how you can offer to restore that, later state, swap VINs on another "project" - then claim "I'm joking"
your sarcasm is lost on all but a few :brainiac:
It's quite simple...I would still love a shot at restoring the orange car if someone wants to pay for it....I lost interest in purchasing it myself when the current bid hit five figures and for sure after I started looking closer at the pictures. That doesn't mean I won't restore it for someone else.
Then a link was posted to an ad for a solid Barracuda convertible (red/white one)....I made the statement "just buy both and swap the VINs" ...I was joking....You didn't get the joke... :drinkingbud: It's all good !
Sometimes sarcasm doesn't quite come through on a forum :alan2cents:
I cant be live the price on this thing
It's now at $18k. This can't be right. The new owner will pretty much have to rebody the car and graft in the vin stampings onto the new body. That car needs way more than quarters, fenders, floors, etc.
When it's all said and done, the car still won't have its numbers matching power train nor the original fender tag or build sheet. If a numbers matching version of this car is worth $100-120k, what is the rebodied non numbers matching car worth? $80k maybe if it's done right (which will be damn costly).
Wow, just saw this.....an hour away ....holy crap that thing will require some touchup
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on April 21, 2019, 04:46:30 PM
It's now at $18k. This can't be right. The new owner will pretty much have to rebody the car and graft in the vin stampings onto the new body. That car needs way more than quarters, fenders, floors, etc.
When it's all said and done, the car still won't have its numbers matching power train nor the original fender tag or build sheet. If a numbers matching version of this car is worth $100-120k, what is the rebodied non numbers matching car worth? $80k maybe if it's done right (which will be damn costly).
Of course it will.... Sure wouldn't be the first time...
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 21, 2019, 06:57:27 PM
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on April 21, 2019, 04:46:30 PM
It's now at $18k. This can't be right. The new owner will pretty much have to rebody the car and graft in the vin stampings onto the new body. That car needs way more than quarters, fenders, floors, etc.
When it's all said and done, the car still won't have its numbers matching power train nor the original fender tag or build sheet. If a numbers matching version of this car is worth $100-120k, what is the rebodied non numbers matching car worth? $80k maybe if it's done right (which will be damn costly).
Of course it will.... Sure wouldn't be the first time...
You're probably right. I'd be afraid to buy any collectible car in the 100k plus range unless it had serious documentation and tons of photos. There's too much financial incentive for people to "create" numbers matching cars these days.
We are fortunate that there just aren't that many E Bodies made so they'll carry value for a long time. But you have to know they won't always be this valuable. The people who love these cars are getting old and as we age out the value of these cars will decline.
Quote from: ledphoot on April 21, 2019, 07:51:25 PM
We are fortunate that there just aren't that many E Bodies made so they'll carry value for a long time. But you have to know they won't always be this valuable. The people who love these cars are getting old and as we age out the value of these cars will decline.
Hopefully my generation will continue to like these cars and get into the hobby
I don't see it in the future. There will always be a few serious collectors that like these old cars but the number of them is limited and they will collect the best only. Sure some of the younger generation will like these Cudas and Chargers but when the price gets too high they will be more open to weird Japanese and European cars for less money and better performance.
The last set of pics shows the rear rocker area I don't see a Torque Box
front inner fenders and frame rails look like they are from 2 different cars
rusty top of windshield frame is from a convertible - look where the "ruddy brown" primer is
rear wheel tubs from convertible, frame rails, floor & rear clip are NOT
:deadhorse:
I agree Dan, the car is a total mess, and I'll admit I went bonkers for it in the morning when I first saw it thinking it was a legit 71 Cuda project which don't come up very often....but it only took the keen eye of several members here to point out inconsistencies in the car and the guy's story which made me take a closer second look much to my dismay. :crying:
If someone with VERY deep pockets wanted to build something out of that, I wouldn't be against helping them out, although it would be quite a challenge. :alan2cents:
I wonder if this vehicle was just the section from drivers seat area forward it would still be bidding to the same price. Doesn't seem like anything from the dash back will be usable.
No wonder the VIN number isn't displayed.
I my self would like to know what the upper tie-bar and vent cowl numbers are, from the striker panel back are not from a BS27H1. :Stirring: :alan2cents:
Quote from: worthywads on April 22, 2019, 11:16:46 AM
I wonder if this vehicle was just the section from drivers seat area forward it would still be bidding to the same price. Doesn't seem like anything from the dash back will be usable.
No wonder the VIN number isn't displayed.
I don't think the people bidding know what they're looking at. They are as fooled as I was the first time I looked at it :headbang: I did send a message to the seller giving him my opinion, but never received a response. :dunno:
I flagged it.
It's obvious that it's NOT A CUDA, but a Barracuda!
:thumbdown:
Well you're wrong because the car IS what the VIN says it is, in this case the car IS a BS27H1 Cuda convertible that someone used parts from a Barracuda to fix. Whether they used MORE of the Barracuda then the original Cuda is really not of any concern The title and dash VIN still say Cuda :alan2cents:
I went through all this when I restored the Barrelcuda :pokeeye:
No tail panel chrome holes.
Barracuda emblem holes.
No black paint on the tail panel.
Bogus car.
(https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/358540/filename/barracuda.jpg)
Show me pictures of the radiator support VIN!
Show me pictures of the cown VIN!
BH car all day long.
Even if it is a BH convertible, the new owner could turn it into yet another hemi convertible tribute car and ask well into the six figure mark. Buyers seem to be paying it regardless of pedigree.
Quote from: ragtopdodge on April 23, 2019, 11:21:21 AM
No tail panel chrome holes.
Barracuda emblem holes.
No black paint on the tail panel.
Bogus car.
We've already come to the conclusion the rear clip is from a Barracuda. :alan2cents: It's a Cuda that's been repaired using a Barracuda rear clip.
I would like to see the cowl and rad support numbers as well, but I'm sure they match the Cuda VIN, just not sure where it's sectioned.
Rear clip was not even a convertible!
Look...no convert-specific door jamb sliders in the door jamb:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-2wAAOSwrANcu0lq/s-l1600.jpg)
:deadhorse:Striker panel has already been discussed!
Quote from: ragtopdodge on April 24, 2019, 10:22:11 AM
Rear clip was not even a convertible!
Look...no convert-specific door jamb sliders in the door jamb:
Yup...I noticed that too !
A couple things kinda bring up a flag for me.
The sheet metal around the base/mount for the convert top (outlined in white) and how the sheet metal is cut on each side and including the center piece. Looks like those were puzzled in where the hard top used to be.
And the cross-member for the hydraulic pump/rear seat (circled in yellow) and how crappy the welds are, not factory).
Of course other things too...
But man whomever is the new owner is going to have a rude awakening very soon IMO. i just can't see spending any amount of money on that "Frankenstein" of a car. It's a shame someone is about to lose tens of thousands of dollars on scrap metal.
Of course I'm curious also if the trunk hinge is tied to the above to hold/weigh down the sheet metal piece? LOL
Seller added this "disclosure" ....gets a trophy for understatement of the year :1place:
Ends tonight around 10pm....we'll see how high it will go.... :bigmoney:
" I would like to retract my previous statement regarding the paint being ALL original.
While much of the paint is original, the rear end of this car appears to have had some repairs. Probably in the 1980s.
In a time before reproduction parts, cars were repaired with parts from other cars. Over decades the single stage paint has faded and blended in.
I apologize for any confusion. I am in no way a expert. This car belonged to my Father prior to his passing in 2011. I'm trying to represent the car to the best of my ability.
I would also like to further add the the cowl and radiator support has not been tampered with.
I encourage and welcome any and all inspection. Prior to the end of the auction."
Ended at $18,600 USD :dunno:
I have a feeling the sale will not be completed for some reason and he will relist it.
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on April 28, 2019, 05:24:31 AM
I have a feeling the sale will not be completed for some reason and he will relist it.
That's quite possible, or somebody will show up, cut the numbers off and leave the rest behind :haha:
OR, drag it on some kind of a trailer, stop somewhere out of sight. cut off what they want or need, then off to the crusher. No witnesses! :bye:
OR.... the price was artificially inflated by friends of the seller and they got carried away and raised the bid higher than legit buyers were willing to pay. Happens way more than it should on eBay. Of course it could be someone really was willing to pay that much for the VIN but it sure seems unlikely to me.
What would you reasonably get for that car without, a dash tag or clear title / ownership ? I :dunno:
I thought that car did have a dash VIN tag and if it did, I could see it selling for several thousand bucks just because convertible Cudas are so valuable when finished.
A car like that one without dash VIN tags would be essentially worthless in my opinion because the metal shell itself has no real integrity left and what would be the point in buying something that had no useable metal parts and no VIN to transplant onto a new body? It would be like buying a ghost.
Quote from: RJChallenger on April 28, 2019, 12:57:54 PM
What would you reasonably get for that car without, a dash tag or clear title / ownership ? I :dunno:
Not much, the only real value is in the dash VIN tag and title :alan2cents:
Maybe the convertible top frame, windshield chrome. :dunno:
I just got a message from the seller....apparently he hasn't heard anything yet from the winning bidder :looney: and even though I never even placed a bid, he wants to know if I'm interested in buying it :thinking: :haha:
he's fishing, fish back: ask for pics of the body stampings :pokeeye:
Those bids came from his buddies driving the price up for him. If the bids were legit, he'd look at the bid history and work his way down offering it to the next highest bidders that already showed a committed interest. That car isn't worth much and he knows it. He's just fishing for a sucker.
I'm fairly sure his guy knows exactly what he has. He has been selling off his father's collection for a few years now. He had another 71 Barracuda Convertible project and a 69 Coronet Convertible project and a few others.
Quote from: Crocha617 on April 29, 2019, 10:06:47 AM
I'm fairly sure his guy knows exactly what he has. He has been selling off his father's collection for a few years now. He had another 71 Barracuda Convertible project and a 69 Coronet Convertible project and a few others.
So what does that mean?That he has a real jewel here and should hold out for more? Or that he knows this thing has been cobbled together like Frankenstein but he's hoping some buyer won't see that?
Every time I hear the words, "I know what I have here" the source is almost always from some delusional old codger with some rusty pile of junk that's melted into the ground so bad you can hardly tell what it once was. And he wants 500 times what it might be worth because he heard of a halfway similar car at Barrett-Jackson. Those words give me pause more than "barn find" or "cream puff."
We all agree that a real Cuda Convertible is worth good money when finished but this thing is a hunk of crap and it will take some real skill here along with a mountain of cash. It would be cool to see it saved and I hope it is but if it's as bad as it appears, $5k is more like it. And I think that's generous.
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on April 29, 2019, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: Crocha617 on April 29, 2019, 10:06:47 AM
I'm fairly sure his guy knows exactly what he has. He has been selling off his father's collection for a few years now. He had another 71 Barracuda Convertible project and a 69 Coronet Convertible project and a few others.
So what does that mean?That he has a real jewel here and should hold out for more? Or that he knows this thing has been cobbled together like Frankenstein but he's hoping some buyer won't see that?
Every time I hear the words, "I know what I have here" the source is almost always from some delusional old codger with some rusty pile of junk that's melted into the ground so bad you can hardly tell what it once was. And he wants 500 times what it might be worth because he heard of a halfway similar car at Barrett-Jackson. Those words give me pause more than "barn find" or "cream puff."
We all agree that a real Cuda Convertible is worth good money when finished but this thing is a hunk of crap and it will take some real skill here along with a mountain of cash. It would be cool to see it saved and I hope it is but if it's as bad as it appears, $5k is more like it. And I think that's generous.
Pretty sure what Chris means is the guy knows it's a steaming pile but has no problem representing it as mostly original & when questions are asked he claims ignorance....
Interesting update from Alan... maybe we will see it on ebay again.
Honestly, I'd be interested if the price was fair... :wrenching:
I can't get past the whole reaching out to Alan thing. That reeks. For a no reserve auction to go so high, there must be al least two bidders willing to pay that kind of money. It hasn't been very long yet he's willing to give up on the winner with an 18k offer. And rather than move on to the next guy in line who is only a hundred bucks behind the winner, he reaches out to someone who showed interest but never actually made an offer. I bet the legit bidders stopped bidding at half that amount and the seller is just being greedy.
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 29, 2019, 02:05:32 PM
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on April 29, 2019, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: Crocha617 on April 29, 2019, 10:06:47 AM
I'm fairly sure his guy knows exactly what he has. He has been selling off his father's collection for a few years now. He had another 71 Barracuda Convertible project and a 69 Coronet Convertible project and a few others.
So what does that mean?That he has a real jewel here and should hold out for more? Or that he knows this thing has been cobbled together like Frankenstein but he's hoping some buyer won't see that?
Every time I hear the words, "I know what I have here" the source is almost always from some delusional old codger with some rusty pile of junk that's melted into the ground so bad you can hardly tell what it once was. And he wants 500 times what it might be worth because he heard of a halfway similar car at Barrett-Jackson. Those words give me pause more than "barn find" or "cream puff."
We all agree that a real Cuda Convertible is worth good money when finished but this thing is a hunk of crap and it will take some real skill here along with a mountain of cash. It would be cool to see it saved and I hope it is but if it's as bad as it appears, $5k is more like it. And I think that's generous.
Pretty sure what Chris means is the guy knows it's a steaming pile but has no problem representing it as mostly original & when questions are asked he claims ignorance....
Exactly what I meant. I guarantee his guy has been around mopars convertibles since he was in diapers and knows exactly what this pile is....
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 29, 2019, 08:50:14 AM
he's fishing, fish back: ask for pics of the body stampings :pokeeye:
+1 on getting some pictures of the 3 matching numbers. Without those matching it's worthless.
Assuming they indeed match, one thing that I see when looking at this is that from the dash forward it is actually in way better shape than going back. Good enough that it is mostly usable, inner fenders pretty clean, front frame rails look pretty good, shock tower good. Area where the doors mount pretty good, and the cowl area and firewall, except for the chopped out section on the passenger side?
It would be doable and perfectly legal to find a decent donor convertible and swap on this front clip. It's possible that's what happened way back when this may have had a bad rear ending and the donor was the back of a hardtop.
Would that be looked at as "saving" the 'Cuda, or essentially re-Bodying?
Quote from: worthywads on April 29, 2019, 04:23:00 PM
It would be doable and perfectly legal to find a decent donor convertible and swap on this front clip. It's possible that's what happened way back when this may have had a bad rear ending and the donor was the back of a hardtop.
Would that be looked at as "saving" the 'Cuda, or essentially re-Bodying?
Well I would think getting the rear half of a vert would be needed if indeed the front half had the stampings. The door jamb wedges would be my big concern without looking at the rest.
Quote from: CudamanTom on April 29, 2019, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: worthywads on April 29, 2019, 04:23:00 PM
It would be doable and perfectly legal to find a decent donor convertible and swap on this front clip. It's possible that's what happened way back when this may have had a bad rear ending and the donor was the back of a hardtop.
Would that be looked at as "saving" the 'Cuda, or essentially re-Bodying?
Well I would think getting the rear half of a vert would be needed if indeed the front half had the stampings. The door jamb wedges would be my big concern without looking at the rest.
My 70 Challenger convertible is missing the wedge on the passenger side, I was unaware of such things when I bought it 27 years ago, the passenger window is also hardtop.
If the front dog house section was originally from the orange 340 convertible then why was the top half of the windshield frame changed?
Quote from: worthywads on April 29, 2019, 05:05:57 PM
Quote from: CudamanTom on April 29, 2019, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: worthywads on April 29, 2019, 04:23:00 PM
It would be doable and perfectly legal to find a decent donor convertible and swap on this front clip. It's possible that's what happened way back when this may have had a bad rear ending and the donor was the back of a hardtop.
Would that be looked at as "saving" the 'Cuda, or essentially re-Bodying?
Well I would think getting the rear half of a vert would be needed if indeed the front half had the stampings. The door jamb wedges would be my big concern without looking at the rest.
My 70 Challenger convertible is missing the wedge on the passenger side, I was unaware of such things when I bought it 27 years ago, the passenger window is also hardtop.
Same wedges were used on A, B & C body verts so they aren't hard to come by... And they are kind of important as they keep the body from flexing enough to close the door gap which would chip the paint off the edge of the door... Vert Glass is reproduced if you care...
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 29, 2019, 05:32:03 PM
If the front dog house section was originally from the orange 340 convertible then why was the top half of the windshield frame changed?
That's what I find confusing :clueless:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt 71s have a dent in the top of the passenger inner fender? I thought 70s didnt have these markers?
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 29, 2019, 07:44:34 PM
Same wedges were used on A, B & C body verts so they aren't hard to come by... And they are kind of important as they keep the body from flexing enough to close the door gap which would chip the paint off the edge of the door... Vert Glass is reproduced if you care...
I'm not sure how the wedge works? Is there just a hole in the door jamb and the springed wedge thing screwed in. I'll have to go take a look at the side with one.
I quick google found a pair for $275 and $199.
Is the door jamb different or can it be recreated simply by cutting out the hole?
Sorry I'm hijacking this thread.
Yeah I know the windows are available, I'm saving to buy a full set sometime, someone etched Teresa with a rose on the quarter windows.......
Quote from: worthywads on April 29, 2019, 09:00:54 PM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 29, 2019, 07:44:34 PM
Same wedges were used on A, B & C body verts so they aren't hard to come by... And they are kind of important as they keep the body from flexing enough to close the door gap which would chip the paint off the edge of the door... Vert Glass is reproduced if you care...
I'm not sure how the wedge works? Is there just a hole in the door jamb and the springed wedge thing screwed in. I'll have to go take a look at the side with one.
The wedges are spring loaded to force the wedge to create as much separation between the door and quarter as possible, if you hit a bump & the body flexes in such a way the the door & quarter separate further the wedge slides to prevent that gap from closing... So after a drive the gap at the top of the door to quarter gap could be wider than it was before the drive, but the gap can't close down while driving.... When you open the door the gap will return to it's normal position...
I quick google found a pair for $275 and $199.
Is the door jamb different or can it be recreated simply by cutting out the hole?
I replaced the jamb on my Challenger with one from a hard top... Cutting the hole is pretty easy... If you want the details correct the screw holes are raised & dimpled which is harder to duplicate but if you interested in doing it I can tell you how I did it, just not in this thread so we don't hijack it any further...
Sorry I'm hijacking this thread.