E-Bodies.org Cuda Challenger Forum

Some of you may have noticed me lurking around here asking questions for the last week and a half. I'm not  new to muscle cars having had examples from all of the big three. But when it comes to Mopar's I've only had B body's. I sold my last vintage Mopar back in 2013.  I have been always been a fan of the EBodys and find myself more a Dodge guy. My daily driver is a 2010 FF Challenger R/T.

I have been  looking for so long I'd pretty much given up on finding a clean 383 4 spd R/T for a fair price. Well I finally pulled the trigger and wired payment for 71 383 4spd R/T.

I'm a numbers guy who's definitely a bit on the anal retentive side when it comes to originality. What strikes me most about this car is it appears completely unmolested, though an older restoration that was likely done in the 90s. Appears to have all its original metal and no rust. The car is correct right down to every option on the fender tag and it has a beautiful broadcast sheet that I plan to have completely decoded. While I dig high impact colors this one is gunmetal, which looks teal to me. Understated color, but I think it looks great. And it's a hardtop which I prefer. All original powertrain.

Anyway it's paid for and the title is on its way to me. The car should be picked up on 19th and be here by months end. From Colorado  to Joisey. I'm pumped...never even drove an Ebody.

Congratulations but -  :needphotos:

We all would love to see some pics.  Thanks

Sounds great, Winchester Grey is one of my favourite colours! Can't wait to see some pictures! Congrats!

Quote from: Brads70 on February 11, 2020, 05:23:35 PM
Sounds great, Winchester Grey is one of my favourite colours! Can't wait to see some pictures! Congrats!

I'm not sure if gunmetal is the same. What year is Winchester?

Quote from: Daveh on February 11, 2020, 05:12:28 PM
Congratulations but -  :needphotos:

We all would love to see some pics.  Thanks

Pictures? Ha ha...anticipation...

Winchester grey is AMAZING.  I LOVE THE COLOR.

Congratulations and good luck sleeping.

Pretty rare color, good luck!

Not usually a grey fan but Challengers look good in that colour.

 :banana:  :veryexcited:   :popcorn:

Quote from: gpm6367 on February 11, 2020, 05:36:58 PM

Quote from: Brads70 on February 11, 2020, 05:23:35 PM
Sounds great, Winchester Grey is one of my favourite colours! Can't wait to see some pictures! Congrats!

I'm not sure if gunmetal is the same. What year is Winchester?

GA4  Plymouth and Dodge had different names for the same color.

Quote from: Brads70 on February 11, 2020, 06:38:52 PM

Quote from: gpm6367 on February 11, 2020, 05:36:58 PM

Quote from: Brads70 on February 11, 2020, 05:23:35 PM
Sounds great, Winchester Grey is one of my favourite colours! Can't wait to see some pictures! Congrats!

I'm not sure if gunmetal is the same. What year is Winchester?

GA4  Plymouth and Dodge had different names for the same color.

Ahh now I get it. Same color but different divisional names. The color looks teal to me.

Quote from: gpm6367 on February 11, 2020, 06:44:23 PM

Quote from: Brads70 on February 11, 2020, 06:38:52 PM

Quote from: gpm6367 on February 11, 2020, 05:36:58 PM

Quote from: Brads70 on February 11, 2020, 05:23:35 PM
Sounds great, Winchester Grey is one of my favourite colours! Can't wait to see some pictures! Congrats!

I'm not sure if gunmetal is the same. What year is Winchester?

GA4  Plymouth and Dodge had different names for the same color.

Ahh now I get it. Same color but different divisional names. The color looks teal to me.

Love the colour!

One of my fav colors , Congrats !!
it was a cool color long before it became cool , now 1/2 of the cars on the road are some kind of Charcoal grey blue color .
I had a 72 Charger Ralley 400 4spd in GA4 but could not afford to restore it unfortunatley . it got a good home & I hope has been restored by now  :thinking:

Awesome outside color!   And it has an absolutely awesome interior color!!  Really helps with the gray! 

Quote from: Daveh on February 11, 2020, 05:12:28 PM
Congratulations but -  :needphotos:

We all would love to see some pics.  Thanks

Teaser...

As I said an older restoration that has held up well.

Great looking car!  :cheers:

Beautiful Car-That will stand out in a sea of reds and Purples.
JS27

Congrats.  Really nice.  Dont see that color too often at all.  The black accents are a nice touch.  Any plans to show it at Carlisle?


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that looks like the one I sold a couple years back here in Denver, '71 383 in GA4, but it was an automatic. it was sold as a mostly complete project car that just needed to be put back together for the most part. interesting because GA4 isn't a common color at all. congrats on the buy!!

https://forum.e-bodies.org/cars-for-sale-or-wanted/8/sold-project-71-challenger-383-auto/4009/msg58056#msg58056

That one came with the best seat covers,  :1place: Standard 71 seats were pretty boring.  :alan2cents:

Gorgeous car!! Congrats!   :drooling:

Graduated from college in 69, got married, got occupational deferment in sept, and headed down to the Dodge dealers to buy my first ever new car !   

Bought a new 1970 Dodge Challenger with the base slant six, 3sp manual on the floor, PS, AM radio, white walls and Wheel covers.   It was  Metallic dark green, with saddle tan interior.   Man i loved that car !   

Traded it in on a 72 Charger SE with auto, 318, in B7 Blue with full black Vinyl top and AIR...  Sharp car !!  The Air was the main reason to trade in the Challenger, hated to let it go...     Sorry, no pics !!

Nice looking car.

Thanks for well wishes. Too bad back when the car was restored they didn't follow factory paint methods like today. No primer with overspray just gorgeous painted rust free metal!

Congratulations !! what a nice car ! :wave:

@gpm6367 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/gpm6367_6199) that car is freakin gorgeous! Looking forward to you posting many more pics, build sheet and tag too.

Quote from: JS29 on February 12, 2020, 06:26:31 AM
That one came with the best seat covers,  :1place: Standard 71 seats were pretty boring.  :alan2cents:

Those are standard 71 seat covers.

Nice Challenger! Love the colour, enjoy it!

Quote from: autoxcuda on February 13, 2020, 12:05:28 PM

Quote from: JS29 on February 12, 2020, 06:26:31 AM
That one came with the best seat covers,  :1place: Standard 71 seats were pretty boring.  :alan2cents:

Those are standard 71 seat covers.

Standard seats the strips are horizontal. Plus I was mistaken it for a cuda, Witch are a boring looking seat.

Yes: The 71 Barracuda seats are the worst ones for sure.

Had to change transport company. Cheap is dear. Finally being picked up tomorrow.

Congratulations!!  :burnout: :congrats:

Welcome to the forum. Love your car.

great looking ride 1 go have some fun...  :burnout:

Finally...

Congrats on the delivery!   :banana:

 :congrats:

Quote from: usraptor on February 24, 2020, 03:42:01 PM
Congrats on the delivery!   :banana:

That's just pick up in Colorado ! Be here Thursday!

Ha, ha! If you're excited now just wait until they deliver it.

Always a special moment. Car seems as advertised but had to run to work without really looking at her.   Will give her a once over tonite.

 :bradsthumb:  So happy for you!!!

Beautiful ride! Congratulations! LOVE that colour!  :bradsthumb:

Great "first" E Body :clapping:

Very sweet car! Let the fun begin.

I'd give you employee of the year for not calling in sick and driving the piss out of that. I'll bet that was a long work day!

Quote from: 7E-Bodies on February 29, 2020, 03:30:21 PM
I'd give you employee of the year for not calling in sick and driving the piss out of that. I'll bet that was a long work day!

:haha: :bravo:   Well said!

Finally got out to shop and wiped off road grime with detailer and microfiber clothes.

I'm going to put up a series of posts here some with questions so please check back from time to time.

First order of business: the 80s called and they want their steering wheel wrap back. 😁

Beautiful! I'm on my 9th one and still asking questions. Looking forward to more of your follow ups.

I knew the block casting number was correct and casting date lined up with vehicle. VIN is stamped on oil pan rail but still wanted to see the machined pad tucked under the distributor. G 383 (71) HP (bottom out of view) and 9 2 which is sept 2 engine assembly on a sept 8 assembled vehicle. Casting date is 8 12 so all number line up.

 8) & it looks more correctly "light gunmetal" in your pics VS. the dealer's  :twothumbsup:

Ok what carb should be on a 71 383? Holley? What markings are stamped on it and where? Air horn? Date?

Not meant as anything negative, but if you want help correct a few little details that are incorrect on the car, we all would be glad to help. Just keep posting some pictures  :bigthumb:
Small details such as the R/T emblems on the fenders and trunk lid...they should not be there....

here's the 1971 383 4bbl carburetor availability list
1971

383 manual - E & B-body
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4667A ---------- part number 3512 848 on b'cast 48
383 manual - E & B-body - with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4734A ---------- part number 3512 849 on b'cast 49

***** some sources show the following manual trans carbs with the same part numbers *****

383 manual - E & B-body
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R6191A ---------- part number 3512 848 on b'cast 48
383 manual - E & B-body - with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R6193A ---------- part number 3512 849 on b'cast 49

383 automatic - C-body
blue engine
---------- Carter 6125S ---------- part number 3512 844 on b'cast 44

383 automatic - E & B-body
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4668A ---------- part number 3512 830 on b'cast 30
383 automatic - E & B-body - with "fresh air" (N96).
orange HP engine
---------- Holley R4735A ---------- part number 3512 842 on b'cast 42

Yes I am all about getting it right and have many questions. Im thick skinned so your not going to offend me by pointing out anything incorrect.

So those R/T emblems were added? Hopefully they are just glued on and I can remove with an adjedive remover.

Ok so I'm guessing this is an aftermarket Holley judging from its finish and electric choke. I can see where the OEM choke should be on the intake. Is the choke assembly reproduced?

What about air horn stamping on original carbs? How are they dated? Anyone have any pictures of original carb and choke assembly?

@gpm6367 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/gpm6367_6199) the main thing here is you have the car. It's stunning. The little things, take one at a time. There's plenty of good help here. I'm a purist myself and wish mine were this done. Rejoice in the fact that you can fire it up and enjoy it.

Quote from: anlauto on March 01, 2020, 02:16:26 PM
Rad cap is wrong
Does the rad have numbers on it ? It could be wrong too :alan2cents:

Headlight wire harness ground is in the wrong location, should be down with that large red cable on the rad support

I figured that cap was wrong. What does original look like?

U lost me on the head light wire harness ground. Which one and where should it be?

The solenoid on inner fender well on drivers side is the starter solenoid?t?

 Thanks that explains carb stamping perfectly. Only list and a date; no Mopar part number on air horn?

Thanks I guess I'll be ordering a correct negative cable.

All this wiring off positive cable is original?

The only thing I see on distributor is this 67. Where would a tag be?

If your going to get a new ground battery cable, you might as well replace the positive one as well , if nothing else but to avoid the " green death" issue if it's original/old?  I tried to cheap out and ended up having my Challenger towed home on a flat bed due to a bad positive battery cable.  :alan2cents:

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U lost me on the head light wire harness ground. Which one and where should it be?

The ground wire for the headlights is in the wrong location, it should be moved down and grounded with the battery cable.

These correct?

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 01, 2020, 06:10:58 PM
These correct?

I'm not sure on "correct" but I bought them at my local Mopar dealership to save on shipping costs?

Contact Roseville Moparts, mention you're a member here and get a discount. If money is not the object, ask for OE correct cables....there are several different "levels of quality" cables available, some are more correct than others. :alan2cents:

as mentioned earlier, the "R/T" emblem on the decklid is incorrect - it should have a "DODGE" emblem #2965502, this hard to find emblem was recently reproduced

also, as mentioned - NO fender "R/T" emblem on Challenger R/Ts with side stripes  :stop:

all of the radiator core support that can be seen from the front of the car, should be painted "BLACK"

the rear bumper has slots in it that were for the "NEW" 1972 style bumper jacks - they started showing up late in the '71 model year

the front fenders are later design in anticipation for the '72-'74 style grill, the "NOTCH" (circled) started showing up during spring '71 production
also, 1971 Challenger R/T grills were molded in BLACK plastic - the main body should be all BLACK & more of the headlight bezels and hood trim were BLACK  :takealook:

the air cleaner is a 1970 unit, for 1971 the breather hose was routed around the  air cleaner to the driver's side snorkel
mid year there was a change in the passenger side snorkel, the diagonal line received a "HUMP" (circled)

your car is an early September 1970 scheduled R/T, second month of 1971 production = EARLY

it does NOT have the correct exhaust manifolds -
the correct 1970-'71 B&E-body dual exhaust manifolds are casting #s RH 2899879 & LH 2951865  :takealook:

on the driver's side, wrong exhaust manifold and it is missing the pre-heater "stove"
that's a disc brake master cylinder
& it appears to have the wrong throttle bracket
:rubeyes:

lots of excellent under hood detail pics in Ross' build thread, just be aware it's a 340 VS. 383 & engine wise it is different
https://forum.e-bodies.org/your-restoration-project-roseville-moparts/10/1971-shaker-340-tor-red-4-spd-cuda/1131/

besides the prior mentioned orange & black PLAID interior, the bezel & pattern are missing from the top of the pistol grip shifter

Thanks. If I'm replacing them I'm replacing them with the correct pieces so will reach out to Roseville.

The rear glass and quarter glass appear original. Where are the markings on the door glass? I raised them both and do not see any.

6bblgt how do you know so much about theses cars?!?! Wow. I suppose correcting these items will go in a logical order over time.

Funny I thought the same about the black out in front Radiator area visible through the grille.

The argent trim on grille and headlight bezels should be black- is that a case of wrong year part or did someone refinish incorrectly?

Being an early 71 I'm not going to run out and replace 1970 pieces as the possibility of the parts being carried over exists. I doubt they emptied the parts bins and tossed all 70 parts before starting 71 production.

The emblems bug me now that I know their incorrect. Who repops the Dodge emblem on trunk?

What's with the plaid interior? Trim tag calls for black, correct?

Quote from: 6bblgt on March 02, 2020, 12:20:02 AM
it does NOT have the correct exhaust manifolds -
the correct 1970-'71 B&E-body dual exhaust manifolds are casting #s RH 2899879 & LH 2951865  :takealook:

Dan I think the passenger side manifold does say ....879 in his picture ? :rubeyes:

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 02, 2020, 02:36:41 AM


What's with the plaid interior? Trim tag calls for black, correct?

Is there a picture of the fender tag somewhere ? That would tell what seats came with the car originally.

BTW....Dan is the man when it comes to these E Bodies  :worship:

Trim tag and decoding

Just occurred to me I don't see rally gauge package on trim tag but do see tachometer. I need to have broadcast sheet fully decoded.

Here are close up of exhaust manifold markings. I tried to get numbers visible. What's the consensus?

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 02, 2020, 04:29:45 AM
Just occurred to me I don't see rally gauge package on trim tag but do see tachometer. I need to have broadcast sheet fully decoded.

Here are close up of exhaust manifold markings. I tried to get numbers visible. What's the consensus?

The rally gauges is standard with the RT package, so you're good there. The seats are wrong they should have cloth inserts....not sure where Dan picked up on the orange ? Hard to tell on the manifolds  :thinking:

@gpm6367 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/gpm6367_6199) I have a round front master cylinder out of a 72 if you're interested.

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 02, 2020, 01:14:34 PM
Really? Cloth inserts? Rear seats too? Are they reproduced? Anyone got pictures?

Dan, where did you get orange plaid from? You saw part of the broadcast sheet; there?

Reproduction seat covers in cloth/vinyl are available for both the front ad rear seats.

Roseville Moparts will be your one stop shop for every thing you'll need and you get a discount for being a member here :twothumbsup:

 :popcorn:

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 02, 2020, 02:21:20 AM
The rear glass and quarter glass appear original. Where are the markings on the door glass? I raised them both and do not see any.

the quarter glass are both dated "129" 12th month of 1969, 9 months before your car's production seems excessive  :dunno: but they did not have any "first in/first out" inventory practices
can you get close-up pics of the weather-strip on the leading edge of the 1/4 glass?
1970 model year's are "fuzzy" like the cat-whiskers, for 1971 they went to a smooth rubber

the door glass should have a similar logo at the trailing edge near the 1/4 window's logo

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 02, 2020, 02:36:41 AM
The argent trim on grille and headlight bezels should be black- is that a case of wrong year part or did someone refinish incorrectly?

a 1971 Challenger grill is '71 ONLY, Challenger was "argent" & Challenger R/T was "black" (the grill is not restored properly)

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 02, 2020, 02:36:41 AM
What's with the plaid interior? Trim tag calls for black, correct?

H5X9 = High Grade, cloth & vinyl bucket seat interior, BLACK (and the cloth part is black/orange/red plaid)
H5XX = High Grade, cloth & vinyl bucket seat interior, BLACK (and the cloth part is black/charcoal/white plaid)
H5F8 = High Grade, cloth & vinyl bucket seat interior, GREEN (and the cloth part is lt. green/med. green/dk. green plaid)

the trim books were send to dealerships with the codes under "H5XX" & "H5X9" switched - below is the correction
this lead to a number of "ODD" combinations: GB5 "bright blue" with H5X9 / FC7 "plum crazy" with H5X9 / etc.  :o

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 02, 2020, 02:36:41 AM
Being an early 71 I'm not going to run out and replace 1970 pieces as the possibility of the parts being carried over exists. I doubt they emptied the parts bins and tossed all 70 parts before starting 71 production.

I have not seen a '70 air cleaner on a '71 vehicle & claimed to be original, your car is 30,000+ cars out of the plant

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 02, 2020, 02:36:41 AM
The emblems bug me now that I know their incorrect. Who repops the Dodge emblem on trunk?

I know I saw it listed at Year One - there are probably others

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 02, 2020, 04:22:29 AM
Trim tag and decoding

there is a resource section here on e-bodies:  https://www.e-bodies.org/resources/
beware of generic decoders - although the '71 decoder is not up & running here  :crying: there is a '70 decoder that would also be close for most of it - but you will get some "UNKNOWNS"

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 02, 2020, 04:29:45 AM
Here are close up of exhaust manifold markings. I tried to get numbers visible. What's the consensus?

casting numbers are often difficult to read, but here's a picture, the dual exhaust manifold is on top: WHAT'S ON YOUR CAR?

What I think your saying is that I have a 71 Challenger grill, not an R/T grill and they are molded in black? I would imagine originals are difficult to find and expensive. Is repainting mind an option? Likely a matte black?

As for emblems, there are no R/T emblems on a 71? Not even in grill?

As for glass I saw no markings at all on door glass but will check again. Even replacement glass has a marking, correct?

Now for the big question: your  certain that H5X9 calls for that black/ orange/ red/plaid insert?  On gunmetal? I think I'm going to be sick... :barf: pretty polarizing combination. Does anyone make those seat covers?

As for air cleaner I've gotta try tracing history on the car and see if I can turn up old photos before replacing any 70 parts.

Thanks for the link to reference materials and your time...you must Judge these cars to have such a working knowledge. I will check my qtr glass weather strip.

Dan is right about the seats....I was getting confused because Galen Govier's little white decoder says XV for black/orange :headbang:

YES, Legendary Auto Interior will likely have those covers, but you'll pay a premium  :bigmoney:

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 03, 2020, 02:29:42 AM


Now for the big question: your  certain that H5X9 calls for that black/ orange/ red/plaid insert?  On gunmetal? I think I'm going to be sick... :barf: pretty polarizing combination. Does anyone make those seat covers?

I don't think anyone would hold it against you if you kept the black seats!  :haha: :yes:

 :iagree:  :yes:

Quote from: 6bblgt on March 02, 2020, 07:59:42 PM
can you get close-up pics of the weather-strip on the leading edge of the 1/4 glass?
1970 model year's are "fuzzy" like the cat-whiskers, for 1971 they went to a smooth rubber

The weather strip is the fuzzy type. It's pretty worn but not smooth rubber. The last shows the weather strip extending beyond the end of glass toward door jamb.

Were those R/T emblems used in those locations on 70s?

The 71 doesn't even use a grill emblem?

1970 had an RT emblem on the trunk lid along with a Challenger emblem. In 1970 and 1971 RT emblems were ONLY on side stripe delete cars.

Your 71 should have a "DODGE" emblem in the grill, that's it for the grill.

All the weather-strips in your pictures look correct :alan2cents:

Quote from: 6bblgt on March 02, 2020, 07:59:42 PM

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 02, 2020, 02:21:20 AM
The rear glass and quarter glass appear original. Where are the markings on the door glass? I raised them both and do not see any.

the quarter glass are both dated "129" 12th month of 1969, 9 months before your car's production seems excessive  :dunno: but they did not have any "first in/first out" inventory practices
can you get close-up pics of the weather-strip on the leading edge of the 1/4 glass?
1970 model year's are "fuzzy" like the cat-whiskers, for 1971 they went to a smooth rubber

the door glass should have a similar logo at the trailing edge near the 1/4 window's logo

The door glass is very hard to read. Drivers door is August (8) 70 (0).

Not happy with the topper but will have to do for now. Fits just not right. Better then that hideous green and white interstate. I'll pick up a real one at Carlisle and save shipping.

Hopefully by Carlisle the real batteries will be available...There's been none around for about two years now  :headbang:

I did not know that; I've seen them in catalogs.

Who sells the cap and decal set for the battery?

I'm told I'm missing the bezel on top of shift pattern; who sells it and how does it attach?

Wow that looks weird without the bezel....I would contact Scott, he restores the shifters for Hurst. https://www.shifterdoc.com/productcart/pc/Hurst-Service-Parts-Mechanism-Parts-c53.htm

Can't email Scott through that website?

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 12, 2020, 05:08:18 PM
Can't email Scott through that website?

Try this address: areracing@aol.com  (put "Hurst shifter parts" or something in your title.)

He's restored ten shifters for me now.

@gpm6367 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/gpm6367_6199)  Classic Industries sells the bezel. I bought a kit or package that included new handles, bezel, and the cap with the shift pattern. Easy to install after you remove the three screws on the handle.  :1place:

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 20, 2020, 05:50:58 PM
On the drivers door?

YES

What is this WP off?

383 or 440 Dodge. Aluminum housing sold through Mopar Performance, I think that's their aluminum WP as well. Nice pieces.

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 21, 2020, 10:49:09 AM
What is this WP off?

It's an aftermarket piece. The factory never installed aluminum set-ups like that in 70-71, lot of people like the upgrade!

Quote from: anlauto on March 21, 2020, 11:11:24 AM

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 21, 2020, 10:49:09 AM
What is this WP off?

It's an aftermarket piece. The factory never installed aluminum set-ups like that in 70-71, lot of people like the upgrade!

it's a Chrysler "performance" part

I would consider Direct Connection or Mopar Performance to be "aftermarket" but that's just my choice of words.

These parts were (or may have been) manufactured by Chrysler (or for Chrysler) as an "after" thought to increase performance of their vehicles. These parts were never factory installed at the time of manufacturing the vehicle.

Are we really going to start splitting hairs when it comes to the choice of wording we use ? Seriously ? :grouphug:

it was a factory part originally used on 1964-'65 HEMI engined Mopars - it was and has been sold by Chrysler Corp. by their performance outlets for decades, not by the aftermarket

it is not splitting hairs - it is a factory part not an aftermarket part

Quote from: 6bblgt on March 21, 2020, 01:08:30 PM
it was a factory part originally used on 1964-'65 HEMI engined Mopars - it was and has been sold by Chrysler Corp. by their performance outlets for decades, not by the aftermarket

it is not splitting hairs - it is a factory part not an aftermarket part

Now I'm a little confused .... Are you saying the above pictured P4286900 water pump housing is an original 1964-65 Hemi part ? :huh:

YES that is what he is saying!!!!! You just got Schooled.  :Stirring:

Quote from: JS29 on March 21, 2020, 02:58:14 PM
YES that is what he is saying!!!!! You just got Schooled.  :Stirring:

I enjoy coming here everyday, and if I learned something new today, that's even better, that's why we're here, Dan is one of the best :worship:

It's a P-part. P428---- started much later than the 60's. It is an over the counter part available at a Chrysler dealer, it is listed in Direct Connection and Mopar Performance parts books. It is not a part that came on a lightweight Hemi back in the 60's on the assembly line.

Quote from: anlauto on March 21, 2020, 02:20:57 PM

Quote from: 6bblgt on March 21, 2020, 01:08:30 PM
it was a factory part originally used on 1964-'65 HEMI engined Mopars - it was and has been sold by Chrysler Corp. by their performance outlets for decades, not by the aftermarket

it is not splitting hairs - it is a factory part not an aftermarket part

Now I'm a little confused .... Are you saying the above pictured P4286900 water pump housing is an original 1964-65 Hemi part ? :huh:

the original '64 unit has a single boss for the early style alternator bracket, the part number(s) & configuration has changed more than once

Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 21, 2020, 03:59:10 PM
It's a P-part. P428---- started much later than the 60's. It is an over the counter part available at a Chrysler dealer, it is listed in Direct Connection and Mopar Performance parts books. It is not a part that came on a lightweight Hemi back in the 60's on the assembly line.

That's what I was thinking but Dan had me confused for a bit, now I see what he's saying !

Look at what I started!?!!

Quote from: gpm6367 on March 21, 2020, 07:00:44 PM
Look at what I started!?!!

It's all part of the education process  :drinkingbud:

Ok educate me. Is this carb correct for a 71 383 4spd R/T? List 4668 and date is 2250 which is August 13th and my motor was assembled September 2nd and car is assembled September 8. I think the numbers line up well.

Damn is 4668 383 auto?

yes, 4668 is for the '71 383HP auto

e-body 383HP w/manual transmission (3 & 4-speed) without SHAKER (no N96): 4667 or 6191

So no shaker I need a 6191?

No, those are both without SHAKER (N96),
I'm not sure why there are 2 numbers for the '71 carbs  :thinking: is it early VS. late? or some other change?

The 4668 one pictured is for an auto.

Your four speed car could have either 4667 OR 6191 as long as it doesn't have a shaker .

Ok so my shift pattern was siliconed on top. I need a bezel. I'd it one piece? I'm told I glue shift pattern in bezel and bezel to top of shifter. Seems like Bubba solution.

I did it by screwing a screw into the clear plastic and using the screw to pull it out with a pair of pliers. I then put in the correct five speed pattern for my trans and pushed the new clear plastic top on with my thumbs.

the shifter lever should have a square "knob" on the top that gets peened to hold the top bezel in place

it also appears your 4-speed top plate is not an orignal - also a "Bubba" fix

Silicone  :no: I forget how but i think there is a roll pin of something that holds it on. Check with @MoparDave (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mopardave_10)  or Classic Industries, I got a kit that had handles, bezel, and pattern. Might as well get a shift boot while your at it. :alan2cents:

Quote from: gpm6367 on April 03, 2020, 05:02:32 PM
Where did the tire pressure decal go on 71 R/T?

Typically down low on the driver's side door post below the striker.

But as with everything else "Mopar" this location can vary :alan2cents:

How is full spare secured in trunk? I see no place for a J hook.

Quote from: gpm6367 on April 08, 2020, 06:04:33 AM
How is full spare secured in trunk? I see no place for a J hook.

Goes on top, you'll need the correct length stud if you don't have it. Once you get you "jack instruction" decal you'll see how everything is stored. :alan2cents:

Where does jack instructions go?

about in the center  :takealook:

Thanks. I pm u. Do you still have carb?

I know that with the current stay at home rules driving should also be limited. But after nearly a month of this shit this was essential driving. 😁

Too nice out to sit in house.

Automotively socially distant

 :ohyeah:

Yup: Great looking car.

It's the little things that make me happy...

Here is "my first e-body ever" back in June of 1978 when I picked it up. It was my first car. I was 16. Little did I know what a great car this was. It was a fully loaded A66 convertible and got me into mopars bigtime. I have owned  over 30 since and still have one.

As I've said, it's the little things that make me happy...love the floor mats.

I love a nice trunk...bias ply and date code correct jack.

Nice car looks great

Car is really cleaning up nice, I love the added details  :bigthumb:

 Thanks. I have so many things I've purchased for the car that I haven't even gotten around to installing yet including correct hoses, clamps, carburetor, battery cables, etc. Consumed in another project but will jump back to the Challenger soon. I know, it's a Phord.

Very nice Torino :australia:

 Rare as well. Off road since 2011. And it's 1 of 241.

Great car. SCJ is hard to find.

Nice Challenger. I have not come across too many GA4 R/T's.
I have seen only one or two each in the available engines (340, 383, 440-6, 426) over the last 30 years.
GA4 is one of those love it or hate it colors. It stands out in a sea of high-impact cars nicely.

Here's mine. I bought it in 1990 when I was 16.
383 A/T very low optioned car (A01 light group is about it). I added the shaker back in '96.
Within the next year or two, I plan on re-restoring it.

-Mark

Since 1990! Wow! 383 car? Early or late car? If 383 I'd like to see detailed pics of Air Cleaner, vacuum and PCV line routing.

Well his air cleaner would be different because of the shaker hood, but the PCV hose routing should be the same :rubeyes:

Easier to show the PCV routing per 71 Dodge service manual. The PCV valve is on the driver's side valve cover.
The hose run towards the front and through a hole in the throttle spring bracket and into the base of the Holley.
Your car should also have the 3-nipple breather on the passenger side.

Here's some pics of my air cleaner. It's been hanging on a wall for 26 years.
Just has a semi gloss rattle can paint on it. Other than being the correct unit for a '71 383-4 it's not "OEM" restored.

If you want to see OEM restored \ over restored:
https://musclecaraircleaners.com/products/1971-mopar-dual-snorkel-air-cleaner-383-440-charger-rt-super-bee-challenger-cuda

Very nice ebody  :cheers: :australia:

I forgot about the shaker; I need a 71 air cleaner assembly.

I love the fact that you kept the original air cleaner! Never got tempted to sell t?

Never tempted to sell it.

Always planned on putting a 2 scoop hood back on someday. Shakers look great, but are a PITA sometimes.
A previous owner drilled hood pins on the wrong spot on the original hood. I sold the hood and have been on the hunt on and off for an original '71 replacement. It's harder than you think, '71 hoods do not have the holes drilled for the individual D O D G E letters across the front.

Nice AC.  Just like the one that came on my original 383 '70 'Cuda.  :twothumbsup:  Any you're right the Shaker hood is a PIA when you want to work on the engine.  Looks great, but a pain to work around or have to remove every time you need to get to the  top of the engine.

Quote from: usraptor on June 18, 2020, 03:11:44 PM
Nice AC.  Just like the one that came on my original 383 '70 'Cuda.  :twothumbsup:  Any you're right the Shaker hood is a PIA when you want to work on the engine.  Looks great, but a pain to work around or have to remove every time you need to get to the  top of the engine.

the above pictured air cleaner is 1971 ONLY & would not be correct on a '70 'cuda (notice the breather tube on the driver's side snorkel)  @usraptor (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/usraptor_90)

there was a "early '71 model year" version that did not have the "HUMP" on the passenger side snorkel  :rubeyes:

Quote from: gpm6367 on June 25, 2020, 04:34:11 AM
I'm going to look for a 71 unit and then will have my 70 for sale.

I'll need a heat riser for exhaust manifold as well. Is that piece reproduced?

The heat riser, heat stove, and tube are reproduced.