Does Your Original Rallye Dash Switch Panel Look Like This?

[anlauto]

I have a real nice set of original panels that I won't be using, great for a survivor.

What would they be worth ?

[Challenger in NC]

From my RT/SE Survivor. It is 99% original and the dash has never been out of the car. It has a SPD of 802, but a door vin date of 9-69. Hope this helps with the info you guys are looking for.

Good info.

[71GranCoupe]

From my RT/SE Survivor. It is 99% original and the dash has never been out of the car. It has a SPD of 802, but a door vin date of 9-69. Hope this helps with the info you guys are looking for.

Good info.

And just looked at the vert top switch, yes, red dots on it!

[71GranCoupe]

It has the dots on the headlight switch and defogger switch, though the defogger dot should be red.

The only thing I could think of is that some 1970 cars used a different color of woodgrain.   

I saw a discussion a few years back where someone said the power top and defogger switch dot on 1970 was a teal/turquoise color but in 1971 it was red. Any more opinions on this?

Just looked at the 71 vert and it has the red button confirming your statement. Think I have a spare switch, but don't remember it having any dots.

[Chryco Psycho]

Lights vs headlights wording

[6bblgt]

I don't believe all 10 combination that PCG offers originally came that way stock, but are offered that way to cover all customers.
gauge section
remote
direct w/o seat belt light
direct with seat belt light
switch section
3-SWITCH
3-SWITCH w/pictographs & "LIGHTS" text
&
4-SWITCH "TOP LIFT"
4-SWITCH "REAR DEFOG"
4-SWITCH w/pictographs & "LIGHTS"/"REAR DEFOG"

early and/or late in a given model year some of the prior/next year's parts may have been used as inventory dictated

edited as a more complete accurate list evolves

@Burdar   does your '72 have a 7k or 8K tach?  & direct or remote clock/trip odometer reset knobs?

[6bblgt]

only one woodgrain color/shade on 1970-1974 E-body "RALLYE GAUGE" clusters, correct?

[Cuda Cody]

That's what I thought.  It was the Challenger door wood color shade that changed.  Plus the console plate too I think.  They had 2 or 3 shades, but not sure anyone was able to find a reason why.

only one woodgrain color/shade on 1970-1974 E-body "RALLYE GAUGE" clusters, correct?

[6bblgt]

  It was the Challenger door wood color shade that changed. 

Challenger door wood ??

[Cuda Cody]

   Sorry, sometime my hands don't type what my brain is thinking.     Wood door....      I meant the Challenger door panel inserts.  They have the wood decal on them and I'm pretty sure they had 2 or 3 colors.  I have a photo somewhere of a couple originals with the different colors and different part numbers.

  It was the Challenger door wood color shade that changed. 

Challenger door wood ??

[cataclysm80]

I saw a discussion a few years back where someone said the power top and defogger switch dot on 1970 was a teal/turquoise color but in 1971 it was red. Any more opinions on this?

Yes, I recall that now, I'll have to dig through my notes a bit more.  Parts of them are not as organized as I'd like.
There used to be a website that showed pics of the variations and said when they were used.
Does anyone recall the website or have the pics?   (I might have them?)

Headlight switch is white dot in 70, 71, and a few early built 72 cars
After that, the Headlight switch isn't colored

Wiper switch is blue arrow in 70, 71, and a few early built 72 cars  (large diameter 2 speed or large diameter variable speed switch)
After that, the Wiper switch isn't colored   (small diameter 2 speed or small diameter 3 speed switch)

Dimmer switch is yellow arrow in 70, 71, and a few early built 72 cars
After that, the Dimmer switch isn't colored

Defogger & Convertible switch is teal dot in 70  (defogger and convertible switches are different from each other)
Defogger & Convertible switch is red dot in 71 and a few early built 72 cars   (no convertibles in 72)
After that, Defogger switch isn't colored

[cataclysm80]

Performance Car Graphics, by far the superior supplier of the most accurate reproductions of these woodgrain panels offers ten different variations:
I would think that they have them all covered.

In addition to the woodgrain, I wanted to discuss switches, seat belt lights, remote vs direct clock/trip resets, tach RPM, etc. and not just the existence of these items, but also when the changes took place.  This way we'll have an idea of which parts are correct for which cars.

I've always heard great things about the Performance Car Graphics woodgrain panels.    Are they vinyl or not?
I know that PCG works with a lot of vinyl, but he's not quite clear on this item.  He describes it as being wood.  Is it actually wood?
He also says the labels are printed and stuck on, whereas the originals were lithographed.
In the past, I haven't been impressed with vinyl overlays and that have additional stick on labels, but the consistent good reviews of his product tempts me to try it.
The PG Classic pieces are more glossy than original, but they are lithographed on, with no worries of coming loose or shrinking with age.

I guess that I just need to see the Performance Car Graphics stuff in person sometime.  He's only a couple hours from me.  I was driving by there about a week ago.

[cataclysm80]

only one woodgrain color/shade on 1970-1974 E-body "RALLYE GAUGE" clusters, correct?

That's what I thought.  It was the Challenger door wood color shade that changed.  Plus the console plate too I think.  They had 2 or 3 shades, but not sure anyone was able to find a reason why.

On the woodgrain door inserts & the woodgrain console plate, 1970 F series uses Kashmir Walnut which is a redish brown, while 1971 G series (and later?) uses American Walnut which is a darker tan brown.

Here are some pics of the back of a door insert plate & console plate, which are clearly labeled with the part #, color, and series.
These part numbers match the parts book, which specifies the Kashmir as 1970 and the American as 1971.

Each color does have a little variation in shade over it's production run.

I'm not sure whether the dash woodgrain was intended to match the door inserts & console, but if they were, I'd expect some different part numbers or something like we see on the door inserts and console plate as evidence.
I know people have discussed dash color differences in the past, but there was speculation over whether sun fading played a roll.
Perhaps I need to get all my rallye dashes out of the attic and take another look at them.

Here is what Performance Car Graphics says on this topic...
"The "American Walnut" bezels are used on approximately 95% of 1970-71 models through mid-February 1971. The remainder of cars used "Kashmir Walnut", which is the red-brown with pronounced horizontal straight-grain."
That's his own research, but it sounds odd to me that he's saying cars built after February 1971 have Kashmir rallye dashes.  Particularly when Kashmir was only used on the other interior items during 1970.

[cataclysm80]

Regarding the Seat Belt Light...

Jan 1st 1965: cars are required to have front seat lap belts
Jan 1st 1968: cars are required to have lap belts for all seats, and shoulder belts on front seats (convertibles exempt from shoulder belts)
July 1st 1971: additional seat belt revisions, mainly applicable to large open vehicles
Jan 1st 1972: meet increased restraint standards OR install a buzzer/light reminder system.  (with few exceptions, auto manufacturers opted for the reminder system)  It must buzz/light continuously for at least 1 minute if seat belt isn't fastened.
Aug 15th 1973: (this would be 1974 model cars) ignition interlock system required, car won't start without seatbelt fastened
Feb 1975: ignition interlock abolished, seat belt light activates for 4-8 seconds when car is started, regardless of whether seat belt is fastened.

(trivia: Mopar dealerships had to get special equipment for testing seatbelt interlocks for proper function.  This testing equipment is quite rare, since the interlock system was only around for about a year and a half.  Some of this testing equipment was recently featured in a Mopar magazine.)

It looks pretty certain that seat belt lights showed up Jan 1st 1972.
This is similar to what happened when seat headrests became mandatory on Jan 1st 1969.

https://www.nap.edu/read/10832/chapter/5#43

https://ntl.bts.gov/lib/25000/25300/25318/DOT-HS-820-226.pdf

[cataclysm80]

After looking around several different places, I think the following version is closer to accurate...

1970
white dot headlight switch, blue arrow wiper knob with variable speed switch, yellow dimmer knob, 8K tach
ERDWP-1: 3 switch, remote, no seat belt light or pictographs
ERDWP-2: 4 switch, remote, no seat belt light or pictographs, with REAR DEFOG  TEAL DOT on switch
ERDWP-3: 4 switch, remote, no seat belt light or pictographs, with TOP LIFT  TEAL DOT on switch

1971 and a few early built 1972 cars
white dot headlight switch, blue arrow wiper knob with variable speed switch, yellow dimmer knob, 8K tach
ERDWP-1: 3 switch, remote, no seat belt light or pictographs
ERDWP-2: 4 switch, remote, no seat belt light or pictographs, with REAR DEFOG  RED DOT on switch
ERDWP-3: 4 switch, remote, no seat belt light or pictographs, with TOP LIFT  RED DOT on switch

1972 model built BEFORE January 1st 1972
no colored markings on switches, 3 speed switch, 7K tach
ERDWP-4: 3 switch, direct, no seat belt light or pictographs
ERDWP-5: 4 switch, direct, no seat belt light or pictographs, with REAR DEFOG

1972 model built AFTER January 1st 1972, and many 1973 cars
no colored markings on switches, 3 speed switch, 7K tach
ERDWP-7: 3 switch, direct, with seat belt light, no pictographs
ERDWP-8: 4 switch, direct, with seat belt light, no pictographs, with REAR DEFOG

many later built 1973 cars, and 1974
no colored markings on switches, 3 speed switch, 7K tach
ERDWP-9: 3 switch, direct, with seat belt light and pictographs, with LIGHTS
ERDWP-10: 4 switch, direct, with seat belt light and pictographs, with REAR DEFOG and LIGHTS


It would be nice to have a better idea of when in 1973 the change to pictographs happened.

Woodgrain color difference?

There's also the enduring mystery of where the tach redline is located.