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70 Challenger windshield wiper wiping path

Started by nctoymaker, September 26, 2017, 05:50:01 PM

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nctoymaker

Trying to complete my 70 Challenger R/T SE and have a question I'm hoping someone can help me with.  Does the wiper path during normal operation travel only on the glass or does it travel over the stainless piece where the wipers rest in the off position?  My wipers travel from the SS rest stops over the glass then back down over the SS at the bottom where they rest in the off position.

Appreciated any help on this that anyone can offer.  My Challenger is a moment in time, nostalgia. When my wife and I got married back in 1968 I had to finish my military commitment in the Marines, yes I did a tour in Vietnam.  After we got married I finish my college and started my career.  The first car we bought as a young married couple was the 1970 Dodge Challenger SE series.  We fell in love with it back then but then our family started to grow and the small car just didn't work.  About 25 years ago I found one needing a complete restoration and now that I'm retired I finally have the time to finish it.  It's very close to being completed but these wipers are driving me crazy, I don't remember the travel path during operation.  I'm hoping someone can help.

Thanks in advance
Bob

Roadman

Bob, welcome to the party.    :welcome:  I can;t help on the wipers, but help is on the way. Thanks for joining up.   

1 Wild R/T

They shouldn't hit the stainless except to park... Two speed or three speed wipers?  Did all the parts your assembling come off this car or has there been some mixing of parts?

Oh, BTW Welcome to the site!!


Cuda Cody

 :iagree:  The wipers should not come down and hit the stainless trim while in use.  They only travel back over the lower stainless trim when they are turned off and go back to the park position.  I can take a movie of them turned on if you like?  But my guess is something is not clocked right in the wiper motor or you do not have the correct 3 speed switch.  I guess I should have asked first if you have a 3 speed wiper motor?

And welcome to the site @nctoymaker    :welcome:

nctoymaker

First and foremost thank you guys for getting back to me.  your response is what I thought I'd get.  Before I answer of your questions allow me to give you some history on what I know and suspect happened to this car sometime in it's past.  I'm pretty sure it was under water at some time in is life prior to my ownership.  This was disclosed at the time of purchase but during the restoration I found mud and small river rock inside the frame and in many areas inside the car.  It being an SE the headliner although being a formed hard board was destroyed and the seller offer me a used headliner that would come with the car.  Unfortunately the headliner was a barracuda headliner which many of us know is smaller than the Challenger.  I was able to modify it to fit the Challenger, but that's another story for another time. 

With the wipers the motor is a replacement and is a 3 speed.  When I installed it after paint I noted it was wired wrong.  I was able to get the wires right but noted that although it reversed and parked correctly, the normal travel path has the wiper traveling from the SS park area over the windshield to the end of the travel path and back over the SS park area.  I post a few pics, could not find any numbers during install I didn't think much about it and assume it to be the correct motor assembly.

Cuda Cody

I can see that the wiper motor is not correct for a 1970 Challenger.  A 1970 3 speed wiper motor should have the last 3 digits of 077 and not have that black cover.  BUT I think the later E-Body wiper motors work.  If you by chance have a B-Body motor, that might be the issues?   :notsure:  What is the part number on the motor. 

Also, can you see where it's clocked?

This can be very helpful:

https://www.e-bodies.org/resources/master-technician-service-conference-reference-books-films/70-11-windshield-wipers/


nctoymaker

Cody thank you, although yes, the link you sent was helpful unfortunately it's above my pay grade.  I went and looked at the motor and found the following numbers on the motor (see photo and below):

3431780
73692
1667

Thank you again
Bob


1 Wild R/T

As I suspected it looks like some mismatched parts.....  You can sometimes get away with it but we'll need to know which linkages & crank arm to sort it out....  I think Bruce Somer is the guy that probably could be the best resource.. He goes by  @Ns1aar maybe I flagged him correctly & he'll see this...

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Shane Kelley

Motor is a 1974 C body unit.  I would think that shouldn't be a issue as long as it has the correct arm. Another thing I was wondering would be your switch. 2 or 3 speed switch? How many clicks when you turn it?

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Quote from: Shane Kelley on September 27, 2017, 09:59:14 AM
Motor is a 1974 C body unit.  I would think that shouldn't be a issue as long as it has the correct arm. Another thing I was wondering would be your switch. 2 or 3 speed switch? How many clicks when you turn it?

I wouldn't be to sure the C body motor will work, I've seen a few different offsets for the stud that drives the arm... If the offset is different, the wiper travel will be different...  Waiting for the two experts to give their input...


1 Wild R/T

Quote from: Shane Kelley on September 27, 2017, 09:59:14 AM
Motor is a 1974 C body unit.  I would think that shouldn't be a issue as long as it has the correct arm. Another thing I was wondering would be your switch. 2 or 3 speed switch? How many clicks when you turn it?


I wouldn't be to sure the C body motor will work, I've seen a few different offsets for the stud that drives the arm... If the offset is different, the wiper travel will be different...  Waiting for the two experts to give their input...

Shane Kelley

Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on September 27, 2017, 10:24:01 AM
Quote from: Shane Kelley on September 27, 2017, 09:59:14 AM
Motor is a 1974 C body unit.  I would think that shouldn't be a issue as long as it has the correct arm. Another thing I was wondering would be your switch. 2 or 3 speed switch? How many clicks when you turn it?


I wouldn't be to sure the C body motor will work, I've seen a few different offsets for the stud that drives the arm... If the offset is different, the wiper travel will be different...  Waiting for the two experts to give their input...
You might be right.   :thinking:  I most certainly am no expert on these. Actually far from it.  The date code for 1667 is 2-19-66.  I always thought the ones with the plastic cover were 73 and up.

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Shane Kelley

I think I'm wrong on the date. It's not the10,000 day calendar.  I think it's 166 day of 1977.  @SF-Resto will know if he chimes in.