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440-6 Oiling Question

Started by 70_440-6Cuda, March 16, 2023, 03:14:19 PM

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70_440-6Cuda

Need to order an oil pump, pick up , pan et. for the 440 six barrel I am putting together.  Engine details are below.  Using everything from 440Source - stock HEMI 6 QT oil pan, Melling high pressure pump, stock style pick up, bronze gear intermediate shaft and their repro dipstick. 

Questions:
Going with the high pressure Melling pump, anyone recommend something else?
Windage tray or no?  I figure it can't hurt, but I am not an engine builder so what are your thoughts?
Dip stick a good repro, or should I look for an original?

1.  Block has been oven cleaned (has no rust or scale), shot peened, magnafluxed and pressure tested. this block has had no damage or crack repair. block casting number is 2536480-8 date code is 10-28-68, front pad is stamped F440hp
2. Block fresh torque plate bored and moly honed, .030 over. Line honed and square decked , new cam bearings installed with new  brass freeze plugs.
3. New set of TRW forged pistons (part # l2355f-030) with a new set of speed pro rings, these pistons yield the stock 10.00:1 compression ratio.
4. the crankshaft is a forged steel standard on the rod and main journals with a fresh polish, still standard. New Clevite main and rod bearings, rods were cleaned, shot peened, magnafluxed, reconditioned, and balanced.  New set of rod bolts and locking nuts were installed. 
5.  New Elgin Camshaft (part number e327s), 375hp hydraulic lifter grind.  New Elgin lifters, new chromoly push rods with new rocker shafts and a new Cloyes  double roller timing set finish off the short block assembly. 
6. Rotating assembly is balanced and blue printed.  Heads are the original 2843906 large  ported closed chamber castings. they are fully rebuilt with new Elgin dual valve springs, extra large Manley stainless steel valves, new valve guides with PC seals, hardened exhaust valve seats, 5 angle valve job and freshly CBN surfaced.


Thanks!
 
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70vert

Without knowing the specs or use of the vehicle, here are my thoughts:
-Never been a fan of high-pressure pumps, is there a reason you are considering it?
-Definitely use a windage tray, regardless of pump.
-Bronze distributer shaft gear depends on cam selection, check with mfg.
-No experience with repro dip sticks.

70_440-6Cuda

Quote from: 70vert on March 16, 2023, 05:21:01 PM
Without knowing the specs or use of the vehicle, here are my thoughts:
-Never been a fan of high-pressure pumps, is there a reason you are considering it?
-Definitely use a windage tray, regardless of pump.
-Bronze distributer shaft gear depends on cam selection, check with mfg.
-No experience with repro dip sticks.

Sorry!  Forgot the engine details - added to the original post.... use is factory spec or close to it - stop light to stop light "drag racing" - nothing serious, just around town fun....
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MoparCarGuy

Any reason you did not go with 440Source stroker kit?

70_440-6Cuda

Quote from: MoparCarGuy on March 17, 2023, 04:28:20 AM
Any reason you did not go with 440Source stroker kit?

No reason other than everything was ready to go for assembly on the long block when I got it.  Also, no reason for choosing the high pressure oil pump, just based on what I was reading online - hence my questions of what everyone here is using successfully - thanks!
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RUNCHARGER

You shouldn't really need the high pressure pump if the bearing clearances are right. However the only difference between a stock and a high pressure pump is the return spring in the pump and because it is a BB Chrysler (gods gift to mechanics everywhere with it's easy to service features) that spring can be changed anytime in the car in about 5 minutes.
Sheldon

70_440-6Cuda

@RUNCHARGER thank you.  Any thoughts on a windage tray?  I am leaning towards stock set up based on the feedback here
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RUNCHARGER

Yes on the windage tray. The original one was metal and sandwiched between two oil pan gaskets.
Sheldon

70_440-6Cuda

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Chryco Psycho

Melling makes excellent pumps High Pressure  not High Volume with stock pan
Absolutely yes on the windage tray .

70_440-6Cuda

@70vert anything particular you do not like about the high pressure pumps?  Curious on opinions of high pressure vs. stock?  Again, I am not an engine assembly guy so opinions / advice is welcome
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70vert

Quote from: 70_440-6Cuda on March 21, 2023, 09:32:32 AM
@70vert anything particular you do not like about the high pressure pumps?  Curious on opinions of high pressure vs. stock?  Again, I am not an engine assembly guy so opinions / advice is welcome

@70_440-6Cuda  Nothing really against them, just never saw the need to spend money on one. As mentioned, if you are doing a rebuild and have specs good then should not be needed. If you're having pressure issues then maybe a quick fix till you do a rebuild.

70_440-6Cuda

Got it - thanks!!  Stock Melling pump should be good enough for my application
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70_440-6Cuda

Hey all, looking for photos of the original oil dip stick and mounting location for a 440 six barrel - I have seen both mounted to the block and to the exhaust manifold - My understanding would be correct for my application is mounted to the exhaust manifold, but I cannot find any good photos of what it looks like and wondering if the reproductions are accurate?
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Chryco Psycho

Well the other side of high pressure pumps is that it is better at keeping a film of oil between parts , , really it is just a $5 black spring in the bypass of the pump making the difference .