Folks, I have a 1971 Cuda 4 speed that I'm going to upgrade with a Hellcat Hellcrate motor, an upgraded 5 Speed and Dana 60 rear. As you can imagine there are tons of "in between" parts to swap and upgrade along the way.
I'm still sourcing most of the parts but the car and just the motor are on the way as of now. The folks at Roseville Moparts have been amazingly helpful and I'm waiting to hear back from them on a list of goodies I want to order.
Stay tuned for updates and let the fabbing begin! :takemymoney:
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
:banana:
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY!!
I will certainly be following this build! Awesome! :worship:
Will be watching as well. We are doing a 69 charger hellcat conversion now. Waiting on engine this week and magnum force transformer suspension in two months!
Quote from: Mymcodebee on February 24, 2018, 03:46:45 PM
Will be watching as well. We are doing a 69 charger hellcat conversion now. Waiting on engine this week and magnum force transformer suspension in two months!
Do you have a thread to follow? I'd like to see what you are going to do to tackle some of the challenges.
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Not yet but will soon!
Welcome.
Your car looks familiar.....
https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/d/1971-cuda-plymouth-rotisserie/6473081901.html
That's the one in all her banana colored glory.
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So this is kinda confusing. :thinking:
You're going to put a Hellcat engine in, yet your car is posted for sale on Craigslist?
Can you explain what your thinking is here? :notsure:
the OP is in CA & states car & engine are on their way
:thinking: he purchased the above 30 day old Craigslist 'cuda and a HELLCRATE from Dave & he's awaiting their arrival in CA
Quote from: Topcat on February 24, 2018, 04:27:42 PM
So this is kinda confusing. :thinking:
You're going to put a Hellcat engine in, yet your car is posted for sale on Craigslist?
Can you explain what your thinking is here? :notsure:
Ahhh I see why you're confused. I bought the car and you're looking at an old ad.
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Quote from: 71Cuda on February 24, 2018, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: Topcat on February 24, 2018, 04:27:42 PM
So this is kinda confusing. :thinking:
You're going to put a Hellcat engine in, yet your car is posted for sale on Craigslist?
Can you explain what your thinking is here? :notsure:
Ahhh I see why you're confused. I bought the car and you're looking at an old ad.
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Well I hope you've got an official signed title and release of liability papers all taken care of already for your sake.
I never take anyone for granted buying or selling a car. :alan2cents:
Quote from: 71Cuda on February 24, 2018, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: Topcat on February 24, 2018, 04:27:42 PM
So this is kinda confusing. :thinking:
You're going to put a Hellcat engine in, yet your car is posted for sale on Craigslist?
Can you explain what your thinking is here? :notsure:
Ahhh I see why you're confused. I bought the car and you're looking at an old ad.
I figured that was the case. :twothumbsup:
Good luck with the project, it's going to be a nice car when finished.
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Quote from: 71Cuda on February 24, 2018, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: Topcat on February 24, 2018, 04:27:42 PM
So this is kinda confusing. :thinking:
You're going to put a Hellcat engine in, yet your car is posted for sale on Craigslist?
Can you explain what your thinking is here? :notsure:
Ahhh I see why you're confused. I bought the car and you're looking at an old ad.
I figured that was the case. :twothumbsup:
Good luck with the project, it's going to be a nice car when finished.
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Thank you, I'm looking forward to the installation.
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When you get to this point ready to fire...keep this in mind.
https://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/fast-n-loud/videos/hellcat-engine-problems
Quote from: Topcat on February 25, 2018, 04:23:07 PM
When you get to this point ready to fire...keep this in mind.
https://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/fast-n-loud/videos/hellcat-engine-problems
Thank you for the heads up. These folks here were using all the wiring and ecu directly from a car where both are different than the kit supplied by Mopar for the crate.
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Is this an original 71 "BS" Cuda you're doing this to, or just a 318 Barracuda ?
This one is going to be fun to watch!
Quote from: anlauto on February 25, 2018, 05:50:42 PM
Is this an original 71 "BS" Cuda you're doing this to, or just a 318 Barracuda ?
Car is a true BS code 340 4 speed Cuda.
What a waste :crying:
:crying:
BS Cuda and the motor and trans were long gone. I wouldn't do this to a numbers car.
Sounds like it is going to be an awesome build! I'm excited about it! :banana:
Quote from: anlauto on February 25, 2018, 06:58:24 PM
What a waste :crying:
I think there will be 1 day, maybe soon, that Alan will be doing a Gen III Hemi resto.
remember lots of photos :takepicture: :takepicture: :takepicture:
How long did it take to get your hellcat crate? We ordered three working days ago and I have to go pick it up tonight at the dealership..
Crazy!
They said they had 237 engines ready to go when I ordered!
Quote from: Mymcodebee on February 26, 2018, 10:20:23 AM
How long did it take to get your hellcat crate? We ordered three working days ago and I have to go pick it up tonight at the dealership..
Crazy!
They said they had 237 engines ready to go when I ordered!
Remember the warranty starts when you pick it up... I think the best approach is to do all the pre-work you can before buying the engine.... Kinda like Goody has done, running driving with a 5.7 so the swap is a fairly simple ordeal....
The new Dana 60 has been ordered and should take about a month thanks to Dr Diff. The transmission and all its glorious bits tid bits are ordered and will start to ship this week. Roseville Moparts is putting together a list of some other fun goodies I will be ordering like the RMS front end and other engine stuff.
As everything rolls in I will provide pictures and detailed installation notes for anyone who wants to read them.
You live in Carlsbad? Hellcat Cuda. Dang, you are living it up my man.
Make sure you find some good brakes and traction as its going to get hairy. Im assuming you also have a large chest of money because I can only imagine the :bigmoney: this will take.
For brakes I'm doing a 12" Wilwood setup. For traction I'm looking at the 17x9 Year One Rally wheels in the back and the 17x8 up front. I'm still up in the air on the wheels and haven't pulled the trigger on them.
The Dana 60 is being built for me and will ship in the next 3-4 weeks. The RMS front end is also being built and should ship in the next few weeks too.
Small parts for the transmission have begun to show up. There was a minor issue withe clutch and I needed to send it back for a different one (wrong part number)
Parts are starting to roll in like the trans and bell housing.
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Just like Christmas!
You're a lucky man! This is going to be one SWEEEEET Cuda when it's finished!
Quote from: anlauto on February 25, 2018, 05:50:42 PM
Is this an original 71 "BS" Cuda you're doing this to, or just a 318 Barracuda ?
i have a BS23H0B roller i'll trade someone for a non BS car because i'm sure most won't like what i'm going to do to this one either. I have a title in my name, but i have no build sheet or fender tag :( , harry
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Quote from: anlauto on February 25, 2018, 05:50:42 PM
Is this an original 71 "BS" Cuda you're doing this to, or just a 318 Barracuda ?
i have a BS23H0B roller i'll trade someone for a non BS car because i'm sure most won't like what i'm going to do to this one either. I have a title in my name, but i have no build sheet or fender tag :( , harry
Send me the details about the car please.
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More parts are showing up. I like the Hellcrate box.
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That box is cool. I bet it doesn't make it into the recycling bin.
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More parts are showing up. I like the Hellcrate box.
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The last cooling item came in last night. Good to see those arrived. Will send out the miss cooling parts today.
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Quote from: 71Cuda on March 08, 2018, 01:47:59 PM
More parts are showing up. I like the Hellcrate box.
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The last cooling item came in last night. Good to see those arrived. Will send out the miss cooling parts today.
better than Christmas :veryexcited:
Chiquita arrived today and looks great. I'm excited to get started here soon.
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Quote from: 71Cuda on March 09, 2018, 01:42:02 PM
Chiquita arrived today and looks great. I'm excited to get started here soon.
That is a beautiful Cuda! :banana:
That is a nice addition to the garage !
The headers arrived today
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Defintely going to be fun to watch this build! : :twothumbsup: :popcorn:
This pistol grip shifter came with the trans kit I ordered. Not sure how I feel about the carbon fiber handle.
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Your going custom so I think the shifter fits. If your interior and dash and what not is going to be OEM, maybe it will look odd. Sounds like your car will look fairly stock minus a wicked drive-train.
The interior will be 100% stock looking and the same for the outside of the car besides the wheels. For wheels I'm looking at the year one 17 inch rally wheels. I'd like to keep the spirit of the factory Cuda image as intact as I can while squeezing in some upgrades.
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A sleepy beast. I wish you the best as I cant imagine tackling a project like this. Save some money for new tires as Im sure its going to be tempting to roast a few sets.
Quote from: Topcat on February 25, 2018, 04:23:07 PM
When you get to this point ready to fire...keep this in mind.
https://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/fast-n-loud/videos/hellcat-engine-problems
This is a TV SHOW built on RATINGS and a reality show that is not based on reality! KEEP THAT IN MIND! Did you ever see one of their first episodes, where they cut 95% of a
Early Bronco out, and had the dumbass doofuses working there? Then they sold the Bronco for $65,000 dollars? Yeah, the dude might have won a few Baja races. I'll give
him that. HOW utterly STUPID are you if you belive that?
That doesn't suddenly make him the best restorer guy in the world. Same thing with ALL these shows, Gold star Pawn, whatevewr, Count douchbag - they are all buddies, they have
each other on speed dial - or the producers of the tv show want you to belive it's legit.
Did you ever see the first episodes of that Rick, the restorer dude? The one that does the coke machines and stuff? WATCH one or two of the first episodes.
They are working out of a tool box (hand held tool box NOTHING ELSE! rocks. Nothing but a n empty box of ROCKS!) that includes pliers and a hammer. That's it. SAME with Count Chocula, he was cutting up rare stuff,
and making stupid desicions. All of a sudden, it became mainstream, and INSTANTLY it became "professional" and they were doing quality work.
I DARE YOU to watch the first episodes, and DOUBLE DARE you to take your stuff to him in his early shop tv show. YOU WOULD NOT DO IT! I triple dare you?
You absolutelty would not. the idiots from the first season ended up in a RIVAL shop. Just for BS reality TV. Don't believe me? Take a look. You are a FOOL if you believe ANY of this made up tv BULLstuff! IT"S ALL MADE UP!
the same guys on every show, over 4 or 5 different shows, do you not see a pattern here? It's reality Television. Get over it. It is NOT real life.
Same dude shows up in all 4 shows, they all show up in the same 4 shows, they are ALL fakers. Paid for by reality tv. Get over it! DON"T belive anything you see on tv!
That crap about them not being able to log into an ecu for an engine is total BS MADE FOR TV DRAMA!
I haven't owned a tv for almost 19 years. but the way my job is, all I can do is watch tv when i am away from home, and I see this pattern. HOLY GOD IT IS ALL FAKE!
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Quote from: Topcat on February 25, 2018, 04:23:07 PM
When you get to this point ready to fire...keep this in mind.
https://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/fast-n-loud/videos/hellcat-engine-problems
This is a TV SHOW built on RATINGS and a reality show that is not based on reality! KEEP THAT IN MIND! Did you ever see one of their first episodes, where they cut 95% of a
Early Bronco out, and had the dumbass doofuses working there? Then they sold the Bronco for $65,000 dollars? Yeah, the dude might have won a few Baja races. I'll give
him that. HOW utterly STUPID are you if you belive that?
That doesn't suddenly make him the best restorer guy in the world. Same thing with ALL these shows, Gold star Pawn, whatevewr, Count douchbag - they are all buddies, they have
each other on speed dial - or the producers of the tv show want you to belive it's legit.
Did you ever see the first episodes of that Rick, the restorer dude? The one that does the coke machines and stuff? WATCH one or two of the first episodes.
They are working out of a tool box (hand held tool box NOTHING ELSE! rocks. Nothing but a n empty box of ROCKS!) that includes pliers and a hammer. That's it. SAME with Count Chocula, he was cutting up rare stuff,
and making stupid desicions. All of a sudden, it became mainstream, and INSTANTLY it became "professional" and they were doing quality work.
I DARE YOU to watch the first episodes, and DOUBLE DARE you to take your stuff to him in his early shop tv show. YOU WOULD NOT DO IT! I triple dare you?
You absolutelty would not. the idiots from the first season ended up in a RIVAL shop. Just for BS reality TV. Don't believe me? Take a look. You are a FOOL if you believe ANY of this made up tv BULLstuff! IT"S ALL MADE UP!
the same guys on every show, over 4 or 5 different shows, do you not see a pattern here? It's reality Television. Get over it. It is NOT real life.
Same dude shows up in all 4 shows, they all show up in the same 4 shows, they are ALL fakers. Paid for by reality tv. Get over it! DON"T belive anything you see on tv!
That crap about them not being able to log into an ecu for an engine is total BS MADE FOR TV DRAMA! ANY RICER could have kicked his a$$ in seconds!
I haven't owned a tv for almost 19 years. but the way my job is, all I can do is watch tv when i am away from home, and I see this pattern. HOLY GOD IT IS ALL FAKE!
OMG ....open the crate already and show us the motor already !!! :drooling:
Going to watch your build close as it will be interesting. It will be a great fun ride when done.
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wow can't wait to see this done!!!! :banana:
Quote from: gumby on March 11, 2018, 01:45:21 AM
Quote from: gumby on March 11, 2018, 01:14:19 AM
Quote from: Topcat on February 25, 2018, 04:23:07 PM
When you get to this point ready to fire...keep this in mind.
https://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/fast-n-loud/videos/hellcat-engine-problems
This is a TV SHOW built on RATINGS and a reality show that is not based on reality! KEEP THAT IN MIND! Did you ever see one of their first episodes, where they cut 95% of a
Early Bronco out, and had the dumbass doofuses working there? Then they sold the Bronco for $65,000 dollars? Yeah, the dude might have won a few Baja races. I'll give
him that. HOW utterly STUPID are you if you belive that?
That doesn't suddenly make him the best restorer guy in the world. Same thing with ALL these shows, Gold star Pawn, whatevewr, Count douchbag - they are all buddies, they have
each other on speed dial - or the producers of the tv show want you to belive it's legit.
Did you ever see the first episodes of that Rick, the restorer dude? The one that does the coke machines and stuff? WATCH one or two of the first episodes.
They are working out of a tool box (hand held tool box NOTHING ELSE! rocks. Nothing but a n empty box of ROCKS!) that includes pliers and a hammer. That's it. SAME with Count Chocula, he was cutting up rare stuff,
and making stupid desicions. All of a sudden, it became mainstream, and INSTANTLY it became "professional" and they were doing quality work.
I DARE YOU to watch the first episodes, and DOUBLE DARE you to take your stuff to him in his early shop tv show. YOU WOULD NOT DO IT! I triple dare you?
You absolutelty would not. the idiots from the first season ended up in a RIVAL shop. Just for BS reality TV. Don't believe me? Take a look. You are a FOOL if you believe ANY of this made up tv BULLstuff! IT"S ALL MADE UP!
the same guys on every show, over 4 or 5 different shows, do you not see a pattern here? It's reality Television. Get over it. It is NOT real life.
Same dude shows up in all 4 shows, they all show up in the same 4 shows, they are ALL fakers. Paid for by reality tv. Get over it! DON"T belive anything you see on tv!
That crap about them not being able to log into an ecu for an engine is total BS MADE FOR TV DRAMA! ANY RICER could have kicked his a$$ in seconds!
I haven't owned a tv for almost 19 years. but the way my job is, all I can do is watch tv when i am away from home, and I see this pattern. HOLY GOD IT IS ALL FAKE!
:iagree: I watch these shows more often than I would like because the other programming just bores me. With the show you are talking about I watched them chop a '32 Ford coupe where the doors would not even close on the passenger side. They raped the guy who bought it with the poor workmanship that I think started the ball rolling for the lead mechanic to leave the show. Much of these shows are for entertainment for the masses. How many shops have we worked on where the shenanigans and mistakes were tolerated as we see in these shows. I know of one host of these shows who would be afraid of who is waiting outside for him after work the way he talks to his employees.
I am watching this build because it interests me very much and I hope everything works out well. I hope the wring harness is as the factory boasts or at least close to a plug and play scenario.
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The interior will be 100% stock looking and the same for the outside of the car besides the wheels. For wheels I'm looking at the year one 17 inch rally wheels. I'd like to keep the spirit of the factory Cuda image as intact as I can while squeezing in some upgrades.
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I'd call them and see if they would be willing to exchange the black handle for the OE chrome. but leave the carbon fiber grips. that's what I have on mine.
I hate that shifter handle :alan2cents:
I knew you would , it is not date coded & stock ..... but then nothing else on the build is either
Quote from: anlauto on March 13, 2018, 10:06:43 AM
I hate that shifter handle :alan2cents:
I agree
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Quote from: MoparDave on March 13, 2018, 07:54:36 AM
Quote from: 71Cuda on March 10, 2018, 08:02:42 PM
The interior will be 100% stock looking and the same for the outside of the car besides the wheels. For wheels I'm looking at the year one 17 inch rally wheels. I'd like to keep the spirit of the factory Cuda image as intact as I can while squeezing in some upgrades.
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I'd call them and see if they would be willing to exchange the black handle for the OE chrome. but leave the carbon fiber grips. that's what I have on mine.
:thinking: What would that shifterhandle/grips be worth as is?
Quote from: 71Cuda on March 10, 2018, 05:57:36 PM
This pistol grip shifter came with the trans kit I ordered. Not sure how I feel about the carbon fiber handle.
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i have a new 5 speed set up from Silver Sport with the stock looking wood grain handle i'll trade you if you are interested. I hate the wood grain look. I can unwrap the shifter and take a pic as well.
I would go for that if I were you... :alan2cents:
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Quote from: 71Cuda on March 10, 2018, 05:57:36 PM
This pistol grip shifter came with the trans kit I ordered. Not sure how I feel about the carbon fiber handle.
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i have a new 5 speed set up from Silver Sport with the stock looking wood grain handle i'll trade you if you are interested. I hate the wood grain look. I can unwrap the shifter and take a pic as well.
Send me a pic please
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The cat arrived today nice and safe.
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looking damn good like a bat out of hell..
New clutch arrived.
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Great thread for sure.
Subscribing to see how much of a traction problem all that power will actually be in real world streets as compared to a strip using slicks.
OHH NIceee....
Random Friday picture.
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On your pressure plate/clutch:
For the Hell Cat engine, is that the only type available?
Or do they offer the 3 Finger Borg & Beck type?
This is gonna be cool! :clapping:
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On your pressure plate/clutch:
For the Hell Cat engine, is that the only type available?
Or do they offer the 3 Finger Borg & Beck type?
I've seen triple disk setups but dont recall a three finger. I bet there maybe one out there.
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Here is the harness that comes with the Hellcat engine controller setup. You remove the harness that comes on the motor from the factory and install this new harness. I'm sure the madness for that is that the engine they send you are pulled from the lineup going into cars so they are dressed up for an actual production car. This harness doesn't have all the other tied in hook ups. I'll set them side by side once I take that harness off the motor. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180317/9421b61cfdfaf433d97edd4d0efe828e.jpg)
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Like the fact that the harness seems to be labeled well for "easy" no guess installation.
That's the simplified harness... :rofl:
I'm going to sell the factory Hellcat exhaust manifolds if you know anyone who wants a set.
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Did you order your valve cover shields separately or did they come with the accessory kit.
I was assuming they would have thrown those in but they are not with our crate engine...
Quote from: Mymcodebee on March 17, 2018, 11:51:24 AM
Did you order your valve cover shields separately or did they come with the accessory kit.
I was assuming they would have thrown those in but they are not with our crate engine...
Those need to be ordered separately.
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Quote from: 71Cuda on March 15, 2018, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: Pentastarnut on March 14, 2018, 08:20:16 AM
Quote from: 71Cuda on March 10, 2018, 05:57:36 PM
This pistol grip shifter came with the trans kit I ordered. Not sure how I feel about the carbon fiber handle.
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i have a new 5 speed set up from Silver Sport with the stock looking wood grain handle i'll trade you if you are interested. I hate the wood grain look. I can unwrap the shifter and take a pic as well.
Send me a pic please
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this is the second time it's been out of the wrapping 8)
That would be a great trade :alan2cents:
plus it would match my leg LOL
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Quote from: Mymcodebee on March 17, 2018, 11:51:24 AM
Did you order your valve cover shields separately or did they come with the accessory kit.
I was assuming they would have thrown those in but they are not with our crate engine...
The coil covers are not included and need to be ordered separately. I agree, for the price I would have thought they would include them too.
Dan listed his exhaust manifolds on Craiglist & they sold the same day
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on March 23, 2018, 09:33:57 AM
Dan listed his exhaust manifolds on Craiglist & they sold the same day
I think i sold the manifolds the same day and clutch within a couple of days after that. I priced it to go instead of trying to get every penny out of it.
I have two motors to sell of the exhaust manifolds, the 392 and the Hellcat. I'll leave the 392 intact in case it sells. I currently don't have a project for it so I listed it.
I'll get the Hellcat up on a engine stand and take the manifolds off soon.
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The wheels arrived nicely.
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Beautiful! :wowzers:
Those rims are going to look great on the car. :worship:
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The rear end showed up today. Waiting on leafs and front K frame.
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The new center caps look a little dark, I would use the old ones :alan2cents:
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The new center caps look a little dark, I would use the old ones :alan2cents:
Yeah oddly one center is darker than the rest.
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Love the new wheels and engine. Continuing to be an extremely informative thread, thanks.
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The new center caps look a little dark, I would use the old ones :alan2cents:
Yeah oddly one center is darker than the rest.
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top cap is reproduction. bottom cap that has a brown huge to it is an original
The top cap is being called out at too dark. I have a new one coming to match the bottom
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They are interchangeable with the ones on your other rims :alan2cents:
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They are interchangeable with the ones on your other rims :alan2cents:
The caps come with the wheels and I like new shiny things. I sold the old wheel too.
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Yea, that's cool..... some people don't realize the YO wheels use stock center caps :alan2cents:
Remember these?
Damn they were Butt Ugly!
I think I only saw one car with these on at a show years ago.
:barf:
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/circle-racing-wheels-20-inch-mopar-rallye-wheels/
So, is it an optical illusion, or do the bolt holes not line up on the oil pan?
Its not an illusion, on the Milodon 31000 oil pan the holes don't line up. They don't line up due to the crank pulley on the Hellcat. The pan is easily modified to fit by grinding the lip and drilling 2 new holes.
The GREAT news is that in working with MoparDave, Roseville Moparts and Milodon is that Milodon has released a specific Hellcat oil pan and you no longer need to modify the 31000 pan.
Roseville is sending me out the new oil pan and they are allowing me to keep the first pan for a couple days to shoot some side by side pictures to share. I'll share out the comparison shots and then mail back the 31000 pan.
oem windage tray arrived so that and the pan will be shipped out to you today.
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I hate that shifter handle :alan2cents:
Of course you do...
Quick question. Of the few Hellcats conversions being completed right now. Why do the clutches the hellcats come with have to be scrapped. Is there not a standard trans that will work with these conversions as is. I see you had to remove a bushing to get your T56 to mount and wondered why you went this option and everyone else is as well?
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Quick question. Of the few Hellcats conversions being completed right now. Why do the clutches the hellcats come with have to be scrapped. Is there not a standard trans that will work with these conversions as is. I see you had to remove a bushing to get your T56 to mount and wondered why you went this option and everyone else is as well?
clutch- from the factory these are mated to the TR6060 which is completely different then the T56. nothing is interchangeable between the 2 and to retro fit a TR6060 is a huge hassle. much easier to get the T56 kit or if you wanted an auto the A41.
Bushing- the engine John bought was built for an auto. All FCA Auto cranks have the bushing to hold the nose of the torque converter. Must be removed to install the pilot bearing.
Ahhhhh. So I wont have to deal with that?
I have to order my trans asap. So looking at a T56, bellhousing, new clutch, crossmember.
Any other major items I am missing. Sorry to ask this on your post John but figured this may be the place to hash out this Hellcat swap stuff..
Quote from: Mymcodebee on April 12, 2018, 07:02:45 AM
Ahhhhh. So I wont have to deal with that?
I have to order my trans asap. So looking at a T56, bellhousing, new clutch, crossmember.
Any other major items I am missing. Sorry to ask this on your post John but figured this may be the place to hash out this Hellcat swap stuff..
If you need a price on the T56 Kit LMK I can work that for you. YES your missing a bunch of parts. may be easier for you to call me. Did you get the wiring kit? that has the info packet with in it.
This is a perfect place to hash these things out. As Dave said the reason you don't or typically don't use the clutch that comes on the Hellcat is due to you're not using the same factory transmission. There are some great manual trans choices to pick from. If you haven't picked yet I'd be happy to cover the ones I looked at.
IF you wanted everything this is what it would look like. engine assembly, T56, install kits, all the cooling items
Well that's a bit scary.. I only have three of those boxes so far but the rear end on mine is done and ready to go so that will save a couple..
Thanks Dave. I just spoke with a vendor out in CA, out your way that is a broker for T56's.
He is a moparts member that contacted me a while back on a T56.
What Bellhousing did you end up using.
Yes I am open to anyone giving me a list of stuff and price for what we need.
I will be placing order within a couple days.
Goal is try to get this charger to Carlisle this year so the more complete the kit I order the better...
Thanks Dave for letting me hop on here with questions.
quik time is what comes with the trans kit.
email me at dradcliffe@mikeriehls.com and let me know what you have. if you have the electrical kit # 77072452AB look at page 10. of the instruction packet.
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IF you wanted everything this is what it would look like. engine assembly, T56, install kits, all the cooling items
That stack of parts doesn't look cheap....I'm guessing $30K ? Am I close ?
:bigmoney: Pretty close. no suspension, headers or radiator in this mix either.
I read somewhere that the Hellcat fender emblems are over $100 dollar each.
102.00 retail, I generally sell these for 160.00 for the pair.
Quote from: MoparDave on April 12, 2018, 01:36:18 PM
:bigmoney: Pretty close. no suspension, headers or radiator in this mix either.
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Quote from: MoparDave on April 12, 2018, 07:12:14 AM
IF you wanted everything this is what it would look like. engine assembly, T56, install kits, all the cooling items
That stack of parts doesn't look cheap....I'm guessing $30K ? Am I close ?
This represents everything that most people do not factor in when doing a Gen III swap. A lot of people just look at the cost of the engine, maybe because they are use to a big block swap or something similar.
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Quote from: MoparDave on April 12, 2018, 01:36:18 PM
:bigmoney: Pretty close. no suspension, headers or radiator in this mix either.
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Quote from: MoparDave on April 12, 2018, 07:12:14 AM
IF you wanted everything this is what it would look like. engine assembly, T56, install kits, all the cooling items
That stack of parts doesn't look cheap....I'm guessing $30K ? Am I close ?
This represents everything that most people do not factor in when doing a Gen III swap. A lot of people just look at the cost of the engine, maybe because they are use to a big block swap or something similar.
Very well put and giving a dose of reality to such swaps. Still cool though if one can afford it. :iagree:
It should start to get more excting here over the next few weeks. The RMS suspension may ship this, the rear leafs are ordered and the new updated oil pan is on the way.
The Hellcat is still on the stand waiting for the updated oil pan. The plan is to take pictures of the part number 31000 and the 31030 pan side by side for anyone to see the differences. Then I"ll ship the 31000 pan back. The 31000 pan will work fine with modifications and the new 31030 pan is a direct no modofication fit. This latest pan 31030 was just released and thanks to
@MoparDave (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mopardave_10) I have the new updated pan on the way.
Once I get the new pan on the motor I'll flip it back over and get the flywheel attached and pilot bearing installed. I'll attach the transmission to the engine and set it on the roller engine/trans stand.
I attended the Mopar show this weekend and picked up a TTI Header back exhaust. It looked good at the show and will match up nice to the rest of the car.
Did you get your trans stuff from Silver Sport? I have a quote and may call to order the whole kit today.
It sounds like they give you everything you need.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Here is a side by side comparison of the 31000 pan and the new 31030 pan.
The correct pan to use is the 31030 pan. The 31030 pan is the pan with rounded bulge at the front of the pan.
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Kind of shippy welding, I hope it doesn't leak.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 17, 2018, 07:22:27 PM
Kind of shippy welding, I hope it doesn't leak.
They may not be sexy welds but they are fully intact. I've never had trouble with a Milodon pan weld.
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I assume it is the oil pick up tube that needs the extra bulge at the front of the pan .
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 20, 2018, 05:06:24 PM
I assume it is the oil pick up tube that needs the extra bulge at the front of the pan .
Well that would be the front of the pan in a shallower area.
Wouldn't being in the back or the bottom be the best engineered design?
If I were starting my Cuda build today this is the path I would take. :)
That's a hell of a project you have and a beautiful car. Can't wait to see this come together!
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If I were starting my Cuda build today this is the path I would take. :)
That's a hell of a project you have and a beautiful car. Can't wait to see this come together!
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looks good.
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looks good.
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Major items have shown up and now I start getting to the more serious work. I took the new updated pan to the powder coating place had it colored.
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Doing some assemble today of the different sub-assemblies.
Almost time to lift up the front end and trial fit the new K frame.
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Looking good so far, can't wait till you finish it and give us some performance stats. :bravo:
I can't believe you bought this car out of my backyard and I didn't even know about it. But I am happy to see something awesome is happening with it! Great thread, I look forward to watching you build it. :cheers:
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I can't believe you bought this car out of my backyard and I didn't even know about it. But I am happy to see something awesome is happening with it! Great thread, I look forward to watching you build it. :cheers:
Thank you and I'll keep you up to date as the car progresses. I have a lot of the major pieces now and I'm waiting on the oil pan to come back from powder coating. Once back I'll assemble the engine and get the trans mounted up.
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The new Milodon pan is ready to be installed.
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Whose front sub-frame and where did you get the Viking shocks?
That thing is going to be hellascious.
I assume the filter will clear the subframe without using a remote system ?
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I assume the filter will clear the subframe without using a remote system ?
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Here a trial fit if the sub-frame.
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Just caught this thread, very interested in following along......
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 02, 2018, 07:27:54 PM
I assume the filter will clear the subframe without using a remote system ?
Yes the oil filter clears just fine.
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Very nice! This is going to be awesome! :burnout:
What a neat project!!! :bigthumb:
Love that K-frame. :twothumbsup: That is going to handle so nice! :clapping:
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I'm prepping the car for the RMS suspension.
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The shock adjuster would be easier to reach facing inward I would think :thinking:
Okay, it looks like 39 1/2" eye to eye....correct ?
Ahhhh shit....I just went to the shop in my PJ's to measure my eye to eye of the Control Freak set-up and it's about 41" :pullinghair:
Time to man up and use Randy's trailer hitch receiver trick to spread them.
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Okay, it looks like 39 1/2" eye to eye....correct ?
Ahhhh shit....I just went to the shop in my PJ's to measure my eye to eye of the Control Freak set-up and it's about 41" :pullinghair:
From far side of the eye to the far side of the other eye 39" 1/8
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I know the Alterktion K frame is very popular but there only downfall I see is they have to use a shorter shock and spring set up due to there design with the upper shock mount which amounts to a stiffer ride and limited travel, but everything looks very nice.
I finished this one this weekend. It was very slick. Your RMS looks very nice as well. I see they all seem to share the same components.
I wonder what that sway bar is eye to eye ? :dunno:
I'll check for you tonight Alan.
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Some pictures of test fitting the RMS K Frame.
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Some pictures going together.
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Some more pics of the motor being set on the dolly.
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That's a sweet setup! :clapping: :twothumbsup:
Looks good!
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Did you order a angle oil filter adapter to cure your filter issue?
Ours should be here this week with my oil pan from Magnum Force.
At the moment I have an adapter on the way to run the filter directly to the block versus a angle adapter. I'll let you know how it fits.
Ahhh so you're essentially raising the oil filter?
Looking great by the way!
Yes just many other motors where the filter will screw directly the block and the block is the sealing surface.
I'll post pictures once it arrives and fits as expected.
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Left side header fitment test.
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Awesome :)
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Awesome :)
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Some clutch pictures
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Looks great very nice :australia:
Just saw this thread, very cool project! Thats the engine I want in my car, but I have to stay with a regular 6.1 until my wallet gets thicker. :popcorn:
magnifique work !!!
top ! :wowzers:
Wow that is coming along nicely. Thank you for all the progression detail pics.
Mike
:inlove: I could look at that engine all day. Very nice!!! :lookatthat: :popcorn:
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IF you wanted everything this is what it would look like. engine assembly, T56, install kits, all the cooling items
I remember that happy place lol. I'll be over to see you guys soon.
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Yes. Get the youngsters involved. Remember to save some money in case he wants to go to college. :bradsthumb:
That's Hilarious I had my daughter doing the same exact job on the Hellcat!
Must be a great job to farm out!
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That's Hilarious I had my daughter doing the same exact job on the Hellcat!
Must be a great job to farm out!
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Aweeee, very cute.
Question, what brand Torx bit do you use for the hub and then also the rotor? At 25ftlbs and 45ft lbs they don't last long.
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Looks like this is coming along nicely! Very cool! :yes:
Aweeee, very cute.
Question, what brand Torx bit do you use for the hub and then also the rotor? At 25ftlbs and 45ft lbs they don't last long.
(2). T-40's.
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The first picture is the factory hellcat oil filter adapter
The second picture is the 45 degree adapter that you can buy from Mopar direct and comes with that small oil filter.
The third picture is the oil filter adapter bolt to mount the filter directly to the block.
With the RMS frame you cannot use the factory Hellcat oil filter adapter that comes with the crate motor.
You can use either the 45 degree adapter or just the adapter bolt alone.
The 45 degree kit cost you $98. The adapter bolt cost you $15. Both will work fine. The 45 adapter is really close to the rack but it can be trimmed to fit to your liking.
I'll get some pictures of this mounted up.
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Quote from: 71Cuda on June 13, 2018, 09:31:32 PM
With the RMS frame you cannot use the factory Hellcat oil filter adapter that comes with the crate motor.
You can use either the 45 degree adapter or just the adapter bolt alone.
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Good to know the 45 degree fits RMS. It will not fit with a stock K-member.
good info John.
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Only snag we hit with ours was not really with the 45 degree adapter was actually more of a engine mount issue related to the location of the adapter.
See photos.
I had to grind a small section off the block to get the mount to seat properly. As you know there is very little clearance between the adapter and the engine mount. I put everything together and found out the adapter was in the way of installing the engine mount bolt.. Once everything is installed it is easier to get the engine mount plate off the engine than take the adapter back off.. No biggie just a pita.
I think you can see it installed in the last pic.
Keep us posted on any snags you hit as it will be very helpful.
Crap at my age I have trouble changing the oil in my car let alone doing a swap with all the engineering. This is quite a project and should turn heads at the shows. I'd love to see you pull up to a new rustang and blow his doors off. :worship:
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The pictures above show the incorrect bell housing and the correct one side by side. I pulled the backing plate off and installed the new one and reinstall the flywheel and clutch assembly.
You can also see the starter parter number 9523 set in place. It does NOT hit the block and it does contact the header. It just barely touches the header and is an easy fix. Again you don't have to grind the block.
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And the great saga continues with great pictures and explanations. :bigthumb:
Excellent, I was hoping you were doing your trans next!!.
Here are some pictures of the Mopar 45 degree adapter and how it fits with the RMS suspension. Bottom line is it fits and its tight.
There are a couple of pictures where you see the engine block mating flange where the adapter mounts to. Here you have another option where you can use just the adapter bolt and not the 45 degree adapter.
More pictures to come...
Boy - your motto HAS to be "Go 1st Class Or Stay Home!" I've been enjoying the progress of this build and your MOST EXCELLENT photo essay of same. I'm just up the road in sunny San Clemente; I'm "Cuda-less" now, but hope to remedy that before year-end. When I do, I'm-a ride down the road and buy you a pizza - then you can take me on a "white knuckle ride" in that thing, LOL!
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Well our hood would shut with a lot more clearance on the LT1!
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Well our hood would shut with a lot more clearance on the LT1!
And... you would have to keep it closed.
:iagree:
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Well our hood would shut with a lot more clearance on the LT1!
And... you would have to keep it closed.
:rofl: Welded shut! :haha:
I posted these couple of pictures over on Facebook for fun. I have an LT4 laying around for another project and I couldn't resist rolling it under the car and taking a few pictures.
Here are some pictures of the oil filter using the single threaded adapter.
Part 1 of some trail fitting (they only let me post 10 pics at a time)
Part 2 of the engine test fit
Part 3 and final for this picture set.
I've test fitted the motor so far and like what I see. I had to remove the number 2 and 4 coil pack along with the alternator to get the engine to clear easily.
What a major accomplishment. Hopefully you can find some traction. Looks fast.
Looking good with the Hemi in there , Not so much with the Gm :barf:
Some more pics to share
These two pics are of the stock Mopar AC setup on the Hellcat. There are two issues using this setup. One is how are you going to control the variable compressor? the second is the clearance between the rack lines and the ac lines.
The solution is the Bouchillon compressor setup. This compressor doesn't need a controller for the variable blades inside and the lines are in a optimal location for routing.
Why the new AC compressor ?
1, the stock pump has a variable style pump, this was done for fuel economy where the pump can run but instead of on or off now with the variable pump it can be on a lot more but with minimal load and therefor minimal cooling
2. the lines on the factory pump are in a very poor location, they almost contact the rack fittings.
3. they don't make a manifold set to bolt on to the pump so you can use custom lines. You would need to jury rig some thing to connect your lines to the compressor lines
Extremely helpful information, you're making it really easy for the next guy doing one of these swaps :worship: :twothumbsup:
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Great pix & Work :twothumbsup:
That's different that you chose to hang the calipers off the front....Is there benefits to that ?
Does Bouchillon trim the AC compressor housing like you see in some of the online instructions?
Maybe I missed it, what power steering gear and exhaust manifolds you using?
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Hard line directly into the caliper?? Makes servicing the brakes or axles more difficult, doesn't it?
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Hard line directly into the caliper?? Makes servicing the brakes or axles more difficult, doesn't it?
You have a valid point. In this case the line is floating and easily moved allow for pad replacement.
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Does Bouchillon trim the AC compressor housing like you see in some of the online instructions?
Maybe I missed it, what power steering gear and exhaust manifolds you using?
I'm using TTI headers, the compress is different physically. It looks mostly the same by the variable compressor sensor and the hardware inside.
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I didn't pick where in they mounted them either forward or back. It my understanding they are forward so it has a streamlined access to the e brake cable and the mounting of the ebrake setup is easier.
With that set-up you can still have your E-Brake cables pointing forward with the calipers hanging off the rear.
Sorry I don't have a clear picture of the rear flex hose connecting to the hard line, but it's the same as the front flex hoses. You have a tab welded to the car....they meet there with a large clip to hold them in place.
Alright alright I'm getting back to it... it was hot out this summer.
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Here are the rear 275/40/17 inch wheels. I loaded the suspension with just a floor jack. It will sit a little lower. I also have the spring set on the lowest mount point on the front mounts.
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Some pics of the old and new dash/gauges
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Besides what you see here, I'm using PTFE -8an fuel line from Pegasus Racing, and the appropriate connectors (90's, 45's and so on...)
The picture is the special 1/2" fuel line connector (Aeromotive 15128), the fuel filter (Aeromotive 12375), regulator with the large spring installed (Aeromotive 13134).
The regulator uses -10an ORB to male AN fittings. You can pick from -10an ORB to whatever male size you need.
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Why did you buy the wood grain from a 73-74 ? What will you fill the seat belt light hole with ?
I bought it from Roseville Mopars. I used this year so I didn't have the small empty holes on the face since Dakota Digital doesn't have adjustment knobs.
I'll use the seatbelt light for those years to fill the spot.
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:huh: That's weird, the Dakota Digital dash I used had tiny reset buttons that go in those 70-71 holes...
agreed, there it is.
This was the car I never got to finish so I'm not sure what to say, those could be switches my mechanic installed, I can't remember, I just assumed they were part of the DD kit ? :dunno:
The switches come with this kit as well, I'll place them some place out of the way.
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I use Pegasus Racing PTFE fuel lines and in this case it's -8AN. You can see such a difference between the -8 and the -6
The hose is the 811 series and using the corresponding connectors.
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I've been asked about the hood clearance. See the picture and that's how much.
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Nice work man! :clapping:
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Looking good - nice and clean. :yes:
Niiiice!
It's looking really nice.
I can't wait to hear who is going to be the first victim when you race it.
Fantastic progress :twothumbsup:
Nice Job on the filter mount. Could you post more pictures how you ran the rest of the fuel back to the tank? Nice job.
Ken
Awsome job on the Cuda , very intresting to follow this build up :norway:
Just continues to get better and better by the post
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Nice Job on the filter mount. Could you post more pictures how you ran the rest of the fuel back to the tank? Nice job.
Ken
Here are some more shots down the passenger side of the fuel line.
The line is 8AN from Pegasus Racing model 811.
I mouthed the fuel pump computer in the back near the front spring pocket. You can see it in one of the pictures. This keeps it out of the way and the fuel pump power leads that'll need to extend the shortest.
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Nice! Thank you! How did you route the hose around the front of rear spring hanger and then then towards tank? I will be doing this very soon to my car and like the way your restoration is going.
Thanks Ken
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Nice! Thank you! How did you route the hose around the front of rear spring hanger and then then towards tank? I will be doing this very soon to my car and like the way your restoration is going.
Thanks Ken
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Keep me posted! I'm about to undertake the same thing for my 70 Challenger.
Stay tuned here and your welcome to PM me and we can chat by phone if you have any questions. I'm an open book.
Im going to be doing a 70 Cuda as well after this one.
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If you are using the factory power steering pump and need the high pressure fitting here is the fitting from two different suppliers.
The Bouchillon fitting is steel and cost $30
The Earl's fitting is steel and cost $10
Your best best is to buy the fitting above, some -6an fittings and some hose for high pressures line. Then use 3/8 rubber hose with a barbed -6an fitting on the end for the return. This assumes rack or steering box has AN fittings.
Another guy is using this kit from Bergman
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Well I'm almost done with my build staring on electrical and Ac next week engine and trans fits like a glove
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Well I'm almost done with my build staring on electrical and Ac next week engine and trans fits like a glove
What trans are you using?
Have you run into any issues with anything so far, what were they and how did you overcome them?
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Her front feet are on the ground. The back is still on jacks. I'm completing the fuel system at the tank and then the heater cooling lines.
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:clapping: Keep up the great work! :popcorn:
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:clapping: Keep up the great work! :popcorn:
Thank you for the kind words, I really enjoy each build.
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This is a great build to follow and dream on.
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Aren't all Wilwood calipers 3/8" NPT? There's no flare inside of the caliper for your tubing flare to seal on and the tube nut threads are straight, not tapered.
Sorry, but unless these are different than my Wilwoods, that's not going to seal...
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Aren't all Wilwood calipers 3/8" NPT? There's no flare inside of the caliper for your tubing flare to seal on and the tube nut threads are straight, not tapered.
Sorry, but unless these are different than my Wilwoods, that's not going to seal...
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Each caliper has a npt to flare fitting. We are good :)
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Thank you for taking the time to take pictures. What type of exhaust are you going to put on car?
Ken
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Thank you for taking the time to take pictures. What type of exhaust are you going to put on car?
Ken
You're welcome, I enjoy sharing. So many folks have helped me and I hope to help someone.
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Love the progress , every :ohyeah:thing looks great !!
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Aren't all Wilwood calipers 3/8" NPT? There's no flare inside of the caliper for your tubing flare to seal on and the tube nut threads are straight, not tapered.
Sorry, but unless these are different than my Wilwoods, that's not going to seal...
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Each caliper has a npt to flare fitting. We are good :)
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Good deal :burnout:
Fyi.
NPT (tapered) locks the the threads together as they engage.
NPS (straight) requires mechanical seal. Flair, inverted flair or shoulder with gasket or orings.
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Fyi.
NPT (tapered) locks the the threads together as they engage.
NPS (straight) requires mechanical seal. Flair, inverted flair or shoulder with gasket or orings.
Thank you very much. This is great info.
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She is sitting on all four now. I'll adjust the final ride later. It's good to see Chiquita on the ground to get an idea how she will sit and what I need to adjust.
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Looking nice!!!!!!!!!!!!! What type of exhaust pipes are you putting on the car?
Thanks Ken
3 inch TTI system
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Hall effect setup. This provides the speed sensor input to the ecu.
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John, you are doing stuff that is groundbreaking. This thread is good, and I know that you are keeping track of the cubic dollars needed to pull off something amazing.
Now we just need to find you a Hellephant candidate...
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Really enjoy seeing this come together
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The kit so far is really nice from TTI. They don't provide the exhaust tip hanger trunk support plate. I'll need to source those. All my sheet metal under the car is new. Locating the proper spot is easy since there are indents already in the pan.
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That exhaust will move some serious air !!
Did you request that the tips NOT be welded on ? :huh: Every system I've bought from TTI the tips were nicely welded in place....
I wouldn't drill the holes in the trunk floor based on the pan indents....I would align the exhaust tips in the cut-outs first then drill the holes for the hangers :alan2cents:
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Did you request that the tips NOT be welded on ? :huh: Every system I've bought from TTI the tips were nicely welded in place....
I wouldn't drill the holes in the trunk floor based on the pan indents....I would align the exhaust tips in the cut-outs first then drill the holes for the hangers :alan2cents:
Alan, this is great advice and thank you very much. As for the tips being welded on from the factory... I wasn't offered this option and I bought direct (easy enough to do).
I use the indents and guides, I've never had one outside that area. Usually if its that far off I adjust the hanger on the pipe.
:popcorn: :lookatthat:
The TTI systems I've installed have not been far off at all, however you don't want to learn that it is "after" you drill the holes.
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The TTI systems I've installed have not been far off at all, however you don't want to learn that it is "after" you drill the holes.
So true and spoken like a pro.
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That 1970 Cuda hood latch will not work with the 1971 grill set-up :alan2cents:
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That 1970 Cuda hood latch will not work with the 1971 grill set-up :alan2cents:
Ha good catch, too many cars and too many parts . That would of been an "oof" when I went to put the grill on
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Quote from: anlauto on December 31, 2018, 01:32:37 PM
That 1970 Cuda hood latch will not work with the 1971 grill set-up :alan2cents:
Alan, can you source a hood latch release? I have the latch, the release lever could use some love thou. I'd like to see about buying a nice one.
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I don't have a line on any right now, but if I were you, I would start looking now because they're not always easy to come across. :alan2cents:
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I don't have a line on any right now, but if I were you, I would start looking now because they're not always easy to come across. :alan2cents:
I'm looking and got the feelers out. I'll start cleaning up mine.
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Stephan Fournier restores latches to make them look like new again. :alan2cents:
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Stephan Fournier restores latches to make them look like new again. :alan2cents:
I'll look him up now, thank you.
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:twothumbsup: They all start with cardboard.
I vaguely recall a thread a few years ago, where a release was converted to a 71'.
Modified the handle I think. :thinking:
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I vaguely recall a thread a few years ago, where a release was converted to a 71'.
Modified the handle I think. :thinking:
It's prob possible as they aren't far off. I have the original one and I email the guy Alan recommended.
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Signs of life!
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Got it running tonight and on first crank is always nice.
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Great job! Thats saying something on a big project.
Ken
I'll attribute it to lots of prep, so far so good. I'd post a video here if her first cry but it won't let me.
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Congrats. Saw it on FB and had to come in here to check also.
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I vaguely recall a thread a few years ago, where a release was converted to a 71'.
Modified the handle I think. :thinking:
I converted a 72-4 handle, however someone was nice enough to loan me a 71 handle to copy. The mechanism is the same, it just changes where it bends thru the grill.
I've had them copied as well.
YES....here is another picture of a correct 1971 (restored by Stephan Fournier :twothumbsup: )
YES
Intercooler arrives tomorrow, can't wait to open it and mount it up.
Someone asked about my radiator hoses, here they are.
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Tight fit but looks great :twothumbsup:
The camera angle is bad to shoot the lower hose. It looks tighter than it is, there not a lot of room but I was able to route it nicely without any rubbing or interference.
The Intercooler goes in next :)
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Intercooler fits nice. I'll find it's final alignment and attach it to the car, get the remainder of the plumbing done.
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Nice fit :bigthumb:
Looking good. Do you have to make the inner cooler or could you buy it some place? Ken
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Looking good. Do you have to make the inner cooler or could you buy it some place? Ken
You have to custom custom make one. I've mounted it now and will run the hoses this week.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190304/15d4354d810903acd7a0d422ee06605c.jpg)
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You already likely thought of it, but you should paint it black :alan2cents:
Lol, I knew that was coming.
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Where can you get the custom cooler made. What specs did you use? Thanks Ken
Quote from: Convertcuda on March 04, 2019, 04:39:31 AM
Where can you get the custom cooler made. What specs did you use? Thanks Ken
Ken, my goal was the largest piece I could fit. Fortunately the cuda has a ton of room even with AC to mount a Intercooler. I've done many supercharged builds on different cars and this is the first I haven't had to modify the front end to fit it.
I created a mock up using cardboard and then sent the mock-up to http://www.autoradradiators.com
These guys do great work.
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I promise I'm gonna paint it :)
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:haha: :bigthumb:
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Intake setup is done, well I'm going to change the 4 inch clamps on throttle body to black as well. I ran out of black clamps.
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All the little details that make a difference in the overall look.
Many that never get noticed but do make it better than the next.
You are doing such an awesome job on this car. I agree the small stuff really adds up.
looking good for sure !! :twothumbsup:
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Putting some goodies back on and getting ready for the road
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Some pics.
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Where are you getting the black intake clamps?
QuoteIntake setup is done, well I'm going to change the 4 inch clamps on throttle body to black as well. I ran out of black clamps
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Where are you getting the black intake clamps?
Nice touch with the black clamps :clapping:
:unbelievable: Good heavens!! Perhaps not the ultimate sleeper ( 'cause a 'Cuda afterall) but it will have to be way up on that list! :bradsthumb: 8)
One of my favorite projects to follow :yes:
If I could insert videos here I would. The car was going to get the full exhaust installed today. It's raining a bit so tomorrow it will be
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She's coming along
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FYI The hood should also have a Plymouth emblem in the corner and all Cudas came with wheel lip moldings... :alan2cents:
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FYI The hood should also have a Plymouth emblem in the corner and all Cudas came with wheel lip moldings... :alan2cents:
I always love your 2 cents. Wheel moldings are waiting to on. I have the billboards and still debating to put them on or leave them off.
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Quote from: anlauto on April 30, 2019, 12:15:33 PM
FYI The hood should also have a Plymouth emblem in the corner and all Cudas came with wheel lip moldings... :alan2cents:
Except
Real Hemicuda's ;) 70 & 71
Some had em, but most didn't.
71cuda love your car.
One of my favorite threads. :worship:
For sale I guess.
For the princely sum of $160k.
:o
This was a really nice build, I wish him good luck with the sale...It will likely sell quick. :twothumbsup:
Not sure where you read that $160K number, but that's likely what he has invested...
I miss watching this build come together. Sounds like he got the car going. :bradsthumb:
Hey folks, she has been a blast to build and even more to drive. Thank you everyone for your support and help along the way.
Alan you are spot on about how much goes into these cars financially. I've kept detailed records along the ways and it's amazing how much all the little things add up. Silly things you wouldn't think cost all that much end up costing hundreds.
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Car looks great, post some better pictures of it :wowzers:
I'm rounding up all the pics and I posted a few just a few minutes ago on Facebook. Some of when it was on the rotisserie.
I took hundreds of pictures all along the way. I use a lot of them to help other installers of gen3's.
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Thanks for remembering us. I wish I lived closer as I would love to cruise around Carlsbad with you. Congratulations.
What about taking it to the fall fling in van nuys if its not sold by then? Obviously advertising it online for a wider audience is your best bet.
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Hey folks, she has been a blast to build and even more to drive. Thank you everyone for your support and help along the way.
Alan you are spot on about how much goes into these cars financially. I've kept detailed records along the ways and it's amazing how much all the little things add up. Silly things you wouldn't think cost all that much end up costing hundreds.
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This 1970 Plymouth Barracuda 6.4L Hemi 6-Speed got up to $75k on BAT just to give you a ballpark of what Resto-mods are, and it didn't hit the reserve.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-plymouth-barracuda-20/
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Not sure BAT is the best place to sell a car like that... (nice car though) :drooling: .I think these type cars do best at the big auction houses :alan2cents:
:clapping: nice color, lemon twist?