Check this out
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/01/12/new-dodge-demon-muscle-car-top-707-horsepower/96479812/
I love idea of "bringing back" some oldies but goodies.
BUT ... there's a risk. They pulled it off with the Challenger. Not so much the Camaro.
And ... IMHO ... this is horrible. Only one pic ... but to me it looks like a pregnant Miata.
Word is it will have more horsepower then a hellcat? Wow!
Looks nothing like a demon. Not a fan of that one at all. Same as the dart... barf....why is there no little smily guy puking??
Hmmm, that much HP in a body appearing that small; I'd certainly enjoy a test drive! :driving:
I don't really care what it looks like...I just think it's cool that an automaker is making wicked high horse power muscle/sports cars for public consumption :stayinlane:
What do you guys think this will do to the price of Hellcats? And would you buy a Hellcat if the price was right?
Hey guys - don't get too worked up over that concept picture - once again a publication has used older/stock images to gain some clicks...
That gold'ish Demon concept is from 2007. It's from an age when Chrysler was looking for something to compete with the Miata. This is around the time that we got the Crossfire (and SRT6). Not sure which came first.
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/dodge/dodge-demon-concept-2007-review/
I really hope that's not the new body style. Anthor swing and a miss. As for performance I'd rather have a slant 6 70 cuda or Challenger than a Miata that has 700+ horse power. I do love modern horse power, but come on.
I thought the new car was just an upgraded version of the Challenger Hellcat ? according to this: http://www.autoblog.com/2017/01/12/dodge-demon-challenger-srt-teaser/ :dunno:
That's what I thought too. The next step in the Horsepower wars. Basically a wide body Hellcat Challenger with more boost. Prices on the Hellcats is about drop :alan2cents:
Alan - this video is private. Guess it got yanked.
I sure hope that isn't a real representation of the new Demon. :stop:
I'm betting it has to be something more substantial to handle even more power than the Hellcat. Imagine back in the day when the Sunbeam Tiger had the Ford 289 crammed into it, fun as hell in a straight line but the motor basically rocked the chassis to death.
is this possibly the new Challenger Demon? factory widebody. crazy cool looking new hood. SRT badge
EDIT: just found this, pretty much confirms it with the outlines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6hjhFuQIbo
EDIT2: and some leaked pics https://i.reddituploads.com/aa03110032e743de95f528879341940e?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=5f8d1ecd23d226cae1161838cd12fcf8
funny it was leaked on the below video last month
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZNmrp7ahU
The lady was standing in front of the rear wheels the whole time. That looks like a Demon to me. I think this is going to be BIG! :veryexcited:
The question is how far in the dust will the Hellcats be.
There will be some pissed folks but I'm glad I waited. :veryexcited:
In the last few days I've heard of 2 friends selling their Hellcats. Not sure if it's because of the Demon, but it's about to get real interesting. I saw Dan Zimmerman was posting some links to videos, but not much info in terms of specs yet? Has anyone heard any HP numbers or price? :clueless:
Quote from: HP_Cuda on January 20, 2017, 09:47:45 AM
The question is how far in the dust will the Hellcats be.
There will be some pissed folks but I'm glad I waited. :veryexcited:
As I understood it back then, Dodge did away with the name Demon because they got flack for it having a satanic name. So they called it a Dart sport after that.
It's hard to believe in this politically correct world we live in now, the Demon name will go over well. Maybe I'm wrong? :dunno:
I can't wait to hear more info about it and see some actual pictures.
I don't believe that anyone with an interest in muscle cars and in particular, the Demon, will have an issue with the name. Some people might be offended but they won't be the ones buying IMO so I doubt it will affect sales. I'm sure Dodge has weighed this out very carefully.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 20, 2017, 10:26:27 AM
In the last few days I've heard of 2 friends selling their Hellcats. Not sure if it's because of the Demon, but it's about to get real interesting. I saw Dan Zimmerman was posting some links to videos, but not much info in terms of specs yet? Has anyone heard any HP numbers or price? :clueless:
No numbers yet, it is supposed to debut at the NY auto show in April.
As for the name Demon, its not much more satanic or politically incorrect than Hellcat. The weight of the Challenger was always the biggest knock on it, so it looks like Dodge addressed that and added HP. With the retirement of the Viper I think they needed something to step up in the performance category one notch above the Hellcat.
I just love the attitude that Dodge has, and seems to have always had, giving the rest of the "electric" and "self-driving" car manufactures the middle finger with these massive powered cars.
Dan let me know that his lips must be :-X for now, but he'll let us know as soon as he can about the details. The way he made it sound made me think this is going to be huge!
Well Hot Rod Magazine announced the new twin-turbo Hellcat engine under the code name "Lucifer" which produces more than 800 horsepower. Will this be the engine that will be fitted in the new Demon? :vipermanhiding:
It's a possibility, would love to know how they plan to inter-cool both turbos.
This is starting to get real fun :popcorn:
Just tripped over this. http://ht.ly/Kwez308h0og
My buddy called me today and said he put a deposit down on one. He did the same thing with the Hellcat when it came out. Put a deposit down and end up paying $20k over sticker to have the first one. This Demon is going to be big!!!!
Quote from: roadman on January 23, 2017, 06:14:50 PM
Just tripped over this. http://ht.ly/Kwez308h0og
So the two big questions I have is:
1) How much weight has been lost over the Hellcat?
2) Will this be a twin turbo setup or is it still supercharger driven?
Putting down a deposit before you even see the car, man your buddy must be a diehard.
:bigmoney:
I'm hearing about a 200lb weight reduction, but that is just rumor right now. but there WILL be weight reduction, it is part of the Demon design.
I know a dealer in SC that has one on order (he is the biggest CDJ dealer in the SWest and only had 1 allocated ...... ), but it will probably go to a Carolina Panther from what I hear
if anyone is wanting one and can't locate, I *might* be able to help locate a dealer that is getting one.
I also wonder if Roseville is getting any allocated? I would think so. Dave ....... Dave ......
Quote from: MEK-Dangerous on January 20, 2017, 10:45:25 AM
As I understood it back then, Dodge did away with the name Demon because they got flack for it having a satanic name. So they called it a Dart sport after that.
It's hard to believe in this politically correct world we live in now, the Demon name will go over well. Maybe I'm wrong? :dunno:
I can't wait to hear more info about it and see some actual pictures.
New Jersey Devils hockey team has a HUGE fan base (including me). Maybe we're all devils inside? >:D
Quote from: ec_co on January 24, 2017, 10:04:27 AM
I'm hearing about a 200lb weight reduction, but that is just rumor right now. but there WILL be weight reduction, it is part of the Demon design.
I know a dealer in SC that has one on order (he is the biggest CDJ dealer in the SWest and only had 1 allocated ...... ), but it will probably go to a Carolina Panther from what I hear
if anyone is wanting one and can't locate, I *might* be able to help locate a dealer that is getting one.
I also wonder if Roseville is getting any allocated? I would think so. Dave ....... Dave ......
So if they are going to be made, when do they reach dealerships?
New video called "The Body". Good news is it does not appear to have fender flares like some suspected. :stayinlane:
But I do see more than two tire stripes at the end, hmmmm. AWD?
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 26, 2017, 06:10:46 AM
New video called "The Body". Good news is it does not appear to have fender flares like some suspected. :stayinlane:
But I do see more than two tire stripes at the end, hmmmm. AWD?
I HIGHLY doubt they'll get ~800 hp to function in an AWD car without detonating the transfer case or viscous clutch. Even Audi can't push that kind of power through their AWD systems, and theirs are some of the best in the world.
I just see massive rear tires, which is something Hellcat owners have wished for since day one. Grip, baby grip!!
Everyone was so sure about the wide body. :huh: But I saw the dual stripes and thought the same thing about AWD. :clueless: Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Those wide stripes might be about this:
http://jalopnik.com/the-dodge-challenger-srt-demon-will-have-the-widest-fro-1791648492?rev=1485440107655&utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
315/40R18 tires rear and front!!! :unbelievable: That's awesome!
Quote from: ViperMan on January 26, 2017, 07:28:42 AM
Those wide stripes might be about this:
http://jalopnik.com/the-dodge-challenger-srt-demon-will-have-the-widest-fro-1791648492?rev=1485440107655&utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 26, 2017, 07:47:22 AM
315/40R18 tires rear and front!!! :unbelievable: That's awesome!
And they're drag slicks! That means you need a new set of tires every 8-10 months. :takemymoney:
Just noticed that. Is this more along the lines of a Drag Car package? Like they did with the Challenger and V10 a few years back? :notsure:
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 26, 2017, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 26, 2017, 07:47:22 AM
315/40R18 tires rear and front!!! :unbelievable: That's awesome!
And they're drag slicks! That means you need a new set of tires every 8-10 months. :takemymoney:
I like they are all the same size.
Wow with those size tires that thing could pull hard around a corner! I would love to see Ken Block take it for a spin! :stayinlane:
Am I the only one that thinks it's crazy for a car Company to bring out a car like this in today's "save the planet" type world ? and Chrysler is the only one with balls big enough to pull it off....Got love it !
They added a little more room back there for the tires, but looks to be a body change and not bolt on flares? :dunno:
Hellcat = top
Demon = Bottom
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 26, 2017, 06:10:46 AM
New video called "The Body". Good news is it does not appear to have fender flares like some suspected. :stayinlane:
I'm still thinking widebody kit IMO (look closely at those pics above - the Demon has something else bolted on there). they are doing it for the AWD, why not use it for the demon to save a little (a lot) development cost https://www.google.com/search?q=challenger+awd+gt&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj84qiawuDRAhWMOCYKHdYtB7YQ_AUICSgC&biw=1920&bih=943
If they widen it that's fine as long as it's not a bolt on. They'd be better to get Brad to make their fenders. :yes:
Wouldn't AWD add weight not take away from it?
:bricks:
Has anyone figured out what the plate means? #2576@35 It's clue of some sort... they said they are going to be putting hints and that's a pretty big hint. What does it mean? :thinking:
That's the payment amount if you start when you're 35. :takemymoney:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 26, 2017, 08:23:54 PM
Has anyone figured out what the plate means? #2576@35 It's clue of some sort... they said they are going to be putting hints and that's a pretty big hint. What does it mean? :thinking:
Blower displacement (cc) @ manifold pressure.
So some think. Lol
Hmm #2576@35:
2576cc supercharger @ 35 inches mercury gauge pressure(about 17 PSI Boost) which would be about 850 HP.
Quote from: HP_Cuda on January 27, 2017, 10:17:18 AM
Hmm #2576@35:
2576cc supercharger @ 35 inches mercury gauge pressure(about 17 PSI Boost) which would be about 850 HP.
If that was on the stand - what ? 700ish to wheels?
Too many unknowns at this time.
The whine from that last video sure seems like there is some serious boost being made.
:veryexcited:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/2018-dodge-challenger-srt-demon-getting-drag-radials-wide-body/ar-AAmgudR?ocid=DELLDHP
the new high-profile drag radials add 3.5 inches of tire width. Dodges says the NT05R was specifically designed for the Demon using a new compound and construction. As such, the tire gets a sweet Demon logo on the sidewall.
hahaha, kinda cool.
Why does a stupid little Demon logo on the side of the tire make me want to buy this car ever more!!! :rofl: guess they have me figured out. I love things like that!!!!! :takemymoney:
Quote from: ec_co on January 27, 2017, 02:27:28 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/2018-dodge-challenger-srt-demon-getting-drag-radials-wide-body/ar-AAmgudR?ocid=DELLDHP
the new high-profile drag radials add 3.5 inches of tire width. Dodges says the NT05R was specifically designed for the Demon using a new compound and construction. As such, the tire gets a sweet Demon logo on the sidewall.
hahaha, kinda cool.
It really starts to seem like Dodge wanted a platform that would replace the Viper but without more details on the Demon it's hard to make that comparison. No data about the suspension of the Demon has been released.
The other rumor of late is that it will go for 80-90k pricepoint.
@MoparDave (http://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10) can you comment on this?
:dunno: :yes:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 26, 2017, 07:47:22 AM
315/40R18 tires rear and front!!! :unbelievable: That's awesome!
Quote from: ViperMan on January 26, 2017, 07:28:42 AM
Those wide stripes might be about this:
http://jalopnik.com/the-dodge-challenger-srt-demon-will-have-the-widest-fro-1791648492?rev=1485440107655&utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Oh sure first they copy my amber high beams , now they are copying my 315 front tires....
Sheesh already! :rofl:
Next thing ya know they'll make a Javelin :lurking:
Quote from: Brads70 on January 27, 2017, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 26, 2017, 07:47:22 AM
315/40R18 tires rear and front!!! :unbelievable: That's awesome!
Quote from: ViperMan on January 26, 2017, 07:28:42 AM
Those wide stripes might be about this:
http://jalopnik.com/the-dodge-challenger-srt-demon-will-have-the-widest-fro-1791648492?rev=1485440107655&utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Oh sure first they copy my amber high beams , now they are copying my 315 front tires....
Sheesh already! :rofl:
A think a cease and desist order is necessary ... a good compromise to lift it could be ... say .... car # 000002?
Quote from: Marc70challenger on January 27, 2017, 11:21:01 PM
Quote from: Brads70 on January 27, 2017, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 26, 2017, 07:47:22 AM
315/40R18 tires rear and front!!! :unbelievable: That's awesome!
Quote from: ViperMan on January 26, 2017, 07:28:42 AM
Those wide stripes might be about this:
http://jalopnik.com/the-dodge-challenger-srt-demon-will-have-the-widest-fro-1791648492?rev=1485440107655&utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Oh sure first they copy my amber high beams , now they are copying my 315 front tires....
Sheesh already! :rofl:
A think a cease and desist order is necessary ... a good compromise to lift it could be ... say .... car # 000002?
Ha Ha that would be nice! :rofl:
Certainly a blatant infringement on Brads patents!
shhh don't tell anyone about the front air dam
Quote from: HP_Cuda on January 27, 2017, 10:17:18 AM
Hmm #2576@35:
2576cc supercharger @ 35 inches mercury gauge pressure(about 17 PSI Boost) which would be about 850 HP.
"2576 lb-ft of torque at 3500 rpm, again, to each driven wheel. Considering the rear-drive Hellcat makes 4010 lb-ft at each driven wheel, the Demon's lower figure in comparison may mean it will feature all-wheel drive." - Car and Driver
Quote from: HP_Cuda on January 27, 2017, 02:42:50 PM
It really starts to seem like Dodge wanted a platform that would replace the Viper but without more details on the Demon it's hard to make that comparison. No data about the suspension of the Demon has been released.
The other rumor of late is that it will go for 80-90k pricepoint. @MoparDave (http://forum.e-bodies.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10) can you comment on this?
:dunno: :yes:
nothing has been released. But it will be around 90 most likely.
257.6lbs lighter 3.5" wider
Word is the Demon will only come with one seat. Passenger and rear seats removed to save weight. If that's the case, I'll bet you will be able to order the Demon with an "optional" passenger seat.
Go a step further and get a seat that is removable fairly easily.
Best of both worlds.
When is the next vid coming out? Nm it looks like Thursdays until the April launch.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1108640_how-the-2018-dodge-challenger-srt-demon-lost-232-pounds
wow, 19lbs just for the sway bars. seems more like a 1/4 mile car than a track car (like if it was going to be the Viper interim replacement), very interesting. crazy they are dropping all the extra seats, that really limits your focal market and is just .... interesting .... considering how long and drawn out they are taking the reveal.
:thinking:
I remember when Dodge came out with the Viper ACR (American Club Racer) in 1999. They took the radio out to make it lighter. But they let you "Add" it back as an option (for more money). A lot of people bought the radio back! :rofl: They charge you more money for a lighter "race" car by taking the radio out but for even little more money they'll sell it you back to you. We used to joke the first Viper ACR's was a $20,000 plague option. You did get some cool BBS wheels though.
I'm going to guess that you'll be able to "buy" the option to have the passenger seat back. Just a guess. :dunno:
So then it's not really 250 lbs lighter because you're not comparing apples to apples. What a sham!
I don't like the fender flares or the Mustang GT 500 mamba hood. I don't think I would trade my Hellcat for it unless they go really crazy with the HP. Plus it's probably going to be a lot more expensive then a Hellcat which was already more then I could really afford.
I can see it now, all those Hellcat owners gettin stomped by the Demon only helps future Demon sales.
Maybe the Demon hardens back to a day when they had to make a certain amount of cars to compete in different event types. (Ie nascar) Still haven't figured out if this is just a full on drag car or something more.
We shall see
Quote from: HP_Cuda on February 02, 2017, 09:13:14 AM
I can see it now, all those Hellcat owners gettin stomped by the Demon only helps future Demon sales.
Maybe the Demon hardens back to a day when they had to make a certain amount of cars to compete in different event types. (Ie nascar) Still haven't figured out if this is just a full on drag car or something more.
We shall see
I really don't want to get stomped. :crying: The Demons will be very limited production cars. There are things I like about the Demon and things I don't. The HP and 1/4 mile times will make me decide if it worth selling the Hellcat for one. If I can even get one who knows as I am sure dealer markups will make the car very expensive and limited production numbers will make this car very very hard to get. I had to wait a year for my Hellcat.
It will be a lower level then drag pak. It is for the weekend warrior that doesn't have a race team. I may have to sell the Hellcat for this. :pullinghair:
Dang it this will be very hard to resist.
It seems the tools are there for when you hit the track and want to put on slicks, etc.
:wowzers:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 01, 2017, 07:37:33 PM
I remember when Dodge came out with the Viper ACR (American Club Racer) in 1999. They took the radio out to make it lighter. But they let you "Add" it back as an option (for more money). A lot of people bought the radio back! :rofl: They charge you more money for a lighter "race" car by taking the radio out but for even little more money they'll sell it you back to you. We used to joke the first Viper ACR's was a $20,000 plague option. You did get some cool BBS wheels though.
I'm going to guess that you'll be able to "buy" the option to have the passenger seat back. Just a guess. :dunno:
How true, the radio and AC were optional on the ACRs but something like 80% of the buyers opted for both (mine has them both)... but you still got the good shocks, smooth inlet tubes, 5 pt harness and cool stickers and small plaque 8)
Holy moly!! :wowzers:
Where did you hear that? Not sure I can believe it yet.... :notsure:
I would be the first to say I would love it if those numbers were real but you have to overcome certain things:
The 2.4L IHI supercharger runs 14,600RPM at just over 11PSI.
The hints point to a new blower that can push 20PSI. That's 1.72 more boost and dang near runs at 30k RPM but does put the motor in the 1200HP range if everything else holds up and the blower doesn't implode.
The engine flows 30,000 liters of air per minute.
The Demon would flow near twice this and remember the Hellcat had to be reworked over it's previous design to get more air into the motor. If this is the case the Demon would have to move the battery to the trunk to make more room.
It takes 80 horsepower just to drive the supercharger.
This parasitic drag will increase with the Demon but by how much? I guess we will have to see what genius IHI has in store.
The Hellcat makes more than 800 horsepower, gross, but is SAE certified at the crank for 707.
Here is where the rubber meets the road. The Demon would have to be completely rebuilt from the ground up to achieve these horsepower levels and have any kind of warranty on it. Remember the Hellcat had "The increased peak cylinder pressure of the Hemi Hellcat required that pistons, conrods, and crankshaft were all upgraded. The pistons are forged, high-strength alloy and the piston pins use diamond-like-carbon coating. Ninety-one percent of the content is new" and There are 21,000 lb of load on each piston; they use diamond coated piston pins.
The last part that gets me is that you will have to run Cam2 Purple race fuel. Geez I don't even know if it's sold anymore. But if you look at one of the videos the Demon does have a button on the center dash for different fuel types.
Heck I'm keeping my fingers crossed!!! :1place:
Forced induction with two headlight inlets and a big scoop on the hood! I WANT ONE!!! :wowzers:
Love the Air Grabber logo!!!!
Did you see that it had 2 front seats? :huh: Thought it was only supposed to have one?
Quote from: Shoooter link=topic=256.msg2412#msg2412 date=1484291181... barf....why is there no little smily guy puking??
/quote] :iagree: I second the motion!!!!!
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 09, 2017, 06:47:31 AM
Love the Air Grabber logo!!!!
Did you see that it had 2 front seats? :huh: Thought it was only supposed to have one?
I agree, its those little functional design elements that hooked me into Mopars long ago! :takemymoney: But I'll have to win a lottery first though... :tired:
Well I called it, they had to somehow get more airflow into the motor.
Interesting air grabber from underneath the hood as well - nice throwback to the old days.
This sucker will drink fuel like the Mojave Desert!!!
The other cool design which is a little foreign to me is that with this blower setup the air actually gets forced upwards towards the injectors and into the cylinder.
In the old days, the carb would sit atop the blower and suck air and fuel down into the plenum.
Dang newfangled fuel injection!!! Funny story, my grandfather who lived to age 94 would tell me back in the 80's - Fuel injection hell that's nothing new they had that back in the 20's. So many upgrades to our modern cars were done way back when but forgotten for some time and then reintroduced.
This beast is going to hook up!!!!
The Demon is also getting lower gears 3:09 compared to the Hellcats 2:60's as well as a higher stall torque converter! :bigthumb:
This is going to be a very fast car. Hellcats are NHRA certified 10.8 bone stock with 20" Drag Radials. Demon is 200lbs lighter 3.09s and better TC 18" wheels on DRs. That should be no problem 10.5s if not lower. Remember the fastest bone stock time on drag radials for a Hellcat is 10.6. Now with the added HP of the Demon if it is 100-150hp over the Hellcat we are easily looking at a possible 9.99-10.03 street legal car off of the showroom floor. WOW
:iagree: I think we could be looking at a factory 9 second car. :fingerscrossed:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 16, 2017, 08:51:45 AM
:iagree: I think we could be looking at a factory 9 second car. :fingerscrossed:
If in the next video's they show a roll bar or a option for one then YES 100% 9 sec car. I just wish they never put those flares on and I am not a fan of the Mustang style hood. If it wasn't for those two things my Hellcat would be replaced by the Demon. Maybe I will just wait until I am off warranty and do 3.09 gears pulley and tune and I am as fast as a Demon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9_X84G5wfM
Man I look forward to Thursdays now and this weeks 16 sec video left me wanting.
Unfortunately it was info that was already out there but it does point to the fact that this is a pure factory race car setup.
So for all those who think they are going to take the Demon out on windy roads and have it handle with all this power might want to think again.
:thinking:
This is the pic from the video with "815" as a clue on the tires. Since it shows the tires folding due to the TQ, could there be 815 lb TQ?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170217/1481728e197c9c0944775b1c497f640d.jpg)
I didn't see 815 in the video. Watched it again and it's a 315 to my eyes. Photochopped?
Clearly 315 in the video.
Did anyone find out what the numbers on the plate mean? There's no way Dodge picked random numbers after going through all this trouble to tell us each and every number means something and not use those spots to tell us something.
757 HP?
1121 = ?
Well Tom Coddington means something:
http://www.allpar.com/racing/ramchargers.html
Quote from: blown motor on February 17, 2017, 06:08:51 AM
Clearly 315 in the video.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 16, 2017, 09:54:20 PM
I didn't see 815 in the video. Watched it again and it's a 315 to my eyes. Photochopped?
I pulled the pic off the dodge site here - http://www.dodge.com/assets/images/sed/magazine/mag1/wall-full-video6.jpg
757 HP = Black key
1121 HP = Red key with high octane fuel (guessing here and out on a limb, for this to happen and it's a stretch - you would have to do pulley changes to up the psi on the blower, modify map settings, open cutouts, etc) Most likely this is not going to happen but even with a 1121 torque number doesn't match up because:
The 2017 Hellcat which this is a derivative of generates 707 horsepower and 650 foot-pounds of torque.
I get the feeling these numbers are put out there to mislead you. If someone had gone through and taken the Hellcat and boosted its numbers with a bunch of mods like blower, motor, etc then your would be gaining more than 50hp. The base motor is around 490hp and they have almost doubled the psi going into the motor.
Now I can believe 815 can be the hp number. But I watched the video again and it was 315 and now it's changed on the dodge site?
I don't think they are trying to mislead anyone. :notsure: They are going out of their way to give us specific facts and details with each and every video release. Dodge has stated "nothing is a coincidence and everything means something".
I'm going with the 757 is the HP. They did the same thing when they release sneak peaks of the Hellcat. Here's how they told everyone the HP...
When I say mislead I mean the 1121 number doesn't have anything to do with torque.
That number is so far out of range it doesn't make sense. It does have to do with something but ?????
also remember that the current Hellcat only uses a 2.4ltr SuperCharger and there are bigger ones available. Kenne Bell has the biggest I believe @ 4.7ltrs
http://www.kennebell.net/KBWebsite/SC_pg/Dodge/layouts/Dodge.htm
Karl Schello's 1600HP Hemi began with a little bare bones front inlet 2.3 TVS kit in 2010, followed by an upgrade to a larger more efficient Kenne Bell 2.8 Mammoth Kit for 1000HP. Over the years, Karl has tested each of the Kenne Bell kits (3.6, 4.2 and 4.7 BIGUN) on his record breaking Dodge – all with the proven and dominating rear inlet concept (no jackshaft or extra "turn" to get to cool outside air) pioneered by Kenne Bell in the 90's. The latest 10/30/15 Flying Mile run at a mere 1000HP (all the HP trans would hold) and 15 psi street boost was 206.4. Next time out with new trans, 24 psi and 1600HP should be 220+mph. And this is with the stock ECM. Tuned by A.J. Berge, Hemi Tuner on Kenne Bell temperature controlled dyno.
If it is 757 HP, does that change anyone's mind that was going to buy one? Would you be disappointed? Lets think this through....
At 757 HP they will sell every single one they can make for a few years. That much HP and if they can keep it under 80k they will have a winner. With the wider tires and lighter weight it will pretty much be king of the street in stock form.
So why go 800, 850 or more? They can make and sell all the 757 HP Demons they want for a few years and then make the next step. If and or when someone goes to 800+ HP the hype, press, and customers get all excited again.... and spending sprees start all over. :alan2cents:
I doubt Dodge is going to move away from IHI for it's superchargers and to Kenny Bell.
They will want to sell something street-able yet have a ton of fun at the track.
Quote from: ec_co on February 17, 2017, 09:51:15 AM
also remember that the current Hellcat only uses a 2.4ltr SuperCharger and there are bigger ones available. Kenne Bell has the biggest I believe @ 4.7ltrs
http://www.kennebell.net/KBWebsite/SC_pg/Dodge/layouts/Dodge.htm
Karl Schello's 1600HP Hemi began with a little bare bones front inlet 2.3 TVS kit in 2010, followed by an upgrade to a larger more efficient Kenne Bell 2.8 Mammoth Kit for 1000HP. Over the years, Karl has tested each of the Kenne Bell kits (3.6, 4.2 and 4.7 BIGUN) on his record breaking Dodge – all with the proven and dominating rear inlet concept (no jackshaft or extra "turn" to get to cool outside air) pioneered by Kenne Bell in the 90's. The latest 10/30/15 Flying Mile run at a mere 1000HP (all the HP trans would hold) and 15 psi street boost was 206.4. Next time out with new trans, 24 psi and 1600HP should be 220+mph. And this is with the stock ECM. Tuned by A.J. Berge, Hemi Tuner on Kenne Bell temperature controlled dyno.
Would I be disapointed?
Well that depends, if the price point is 90k as I have heard from several different sources and the Hellcat puts out 707 then yeah I would be disappointed.
I am only stating that it should be more than 757hp just purely based off the clues to the supercharger already. We are going from under one atmosphere to over that. There are a lot of variables here but I can only go off what has been put out there.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 17, 2017, 09:52:53 AM
If it is 757 HP, does that change anyone's mind that was going to buy one? Would you be disappointed? Lets think this through....
At 757 HP they will sell every single one they can make for a few years. That much HP and if they can keep it under 80k they will have a winner. With the wider tires and lighter weight it will pretty much be king of the street in stock form.
So why go 800, 850 or more? They can make and sell all the 757 HP Demons they want for a few years and then make the next step. If and or when someone goes to 800+ HP the hype, press, and customers get all excited again.... and spending sprees start all over. :alan2cents:
i'm not saying they will be using KB products, just that it is very doable to reach those numbers with a bigger supercharger - they could just ask IHI to build them a 3ltr or 4ltr version for the Demon.
A bigger supercharger would be sticking out of the hood.
I know they can reach these numbers but making a street-able version that can have a warranty for at least 3 years might be a challenge.
Quote from: ec_co on February 17, 2017, 02:39:25 PM
i'm not saying they will be using KB products, just that it is very doable to reach those numbers with a bigger supercharger - they could just ask IHI to build them a 3ltr or 4ltr version for the Demon.
Thought just occurred to me....with the name Demon they should make it produce 666 foot pounds of torque ! Seeing how they are already past that in HP all that's left is torque :))
Oh boy, the hp/torque figures if true would make the Demon real nasty. 900hp and around the same torque. wow
Maybe it's a black key red key thing. Black key = 757hp and Red key = 900hp. ?????
Forget about the gas budget, the tire budget will be even worse!!!
:wowzers: :wowzers: :wowzers:
:popcorn:
This just got real interesting!!! :veryexcited:
815HP and 757 TQ makes the most sense. That is my prediction.
Mopardamus
Your Thursday update with new video that looks to be all about a weight transfer system to put all power to the ground and weight to rear while limiting rebound paired with launch control. And another math problem 13.5 = 575 @ 500:
It's easy to see now that it's not all wheel drive.
Did you see the secrete number in the smoke? 13.5 = 575 @ 500 Any guesses on what it means?
Cool vid, looks like race shocks that do a nice job of transferring weight.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 23, 2017, 08:06:51 AM
It's easy to see now that it's not all wheel drive.
Did you see the secrete number in the smoke? 13.5 = 575 @ 500 Any guesses on what it means?
My buddy at work "mopar stalker" Thinks it an equation referancing sir isaac neutons 3rd law of motion.
What the numbers mean ??? Idk :dunno:
Dodge said the Demon is designed to be "highly competent in all drive modes and configurations" but is intended to "absolutely dominate in Drag Mode."
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Newtons third law.
13.5 = 575 @ 500
How about 13.5 feet out on a 1/4 mile they are already pulling 575hp and 500 torque. This is a tough one.
Let's see - maybe?:
In a Demon, burning rubber creates a push on the front of the car pushing it forward. This creates an equal and opposite push on the rear suspension. Maybe downforce? I dunno.
Drag Bilsteins? Wow.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on February 23, 2017, 02:20:28 PM
Dodge said the Demon is designed to be "highly competent in all drive modes and configurations" but is intended to "absolutely dominate in Drag Mode."
considering that it was touted as a Hellcat ADR (American Drag Racer) last year, that makes sense. http://fcauthority.com/2016/10/widebody-dodge-challenger-hellcat-adr-photographed-again/
this thing will be a beast. good luck to anyone trying to find one. :stayinlane:
Your Thursday video update featuring launch assist and high performance racing parts including the driveshaft, rear diff, axles and a four point rear harness instead of a backseat:
nice
Why do they have to do this too me. They tease me every week with a new video.
Does anyone know what show they are going to release all the specs and let us see it for real? Can't wait for this one to finally come out! Going to be a beast!
New York in April
April cannot come soon enough!!!
:banana: :banana: :banana:
Someone found the new smiley! :banana:
Quote from: HP_Cuda on March 02, 2017, 12:17:53 PM
April cannot come soon enough!!!
:banana: :banana: :banana:
there is a really cool plastic filler piece that goes in the rear seating area that has an outline of the car and a timing light.
Quote from: Markp on March 02, 2017, 06:53:16 AM
Why do they have to do this too me. They tease me every week with a new video.
They are giving you time to arrange your finances.... :rofl: :rofl:
:haha: :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Oldschool on March 07, 2017, 08:44:58 AM
They are giving you time to arrange your finances.... :rofl: :rofl:
Its all about performance in this one, and LOTS of clues. 3.0 sec 0-60, 10.5 1/4 mile, 757 HP/TQ at the wheels, and a quick cool down feature to help between runs! :banana:
757 at the rear wheels seems like it would be a bit quicker in the 1/4. The 129 mph 10.5 1/4 times make me think it's 757 hp total. Either way, this is a beast of a machine! :banana:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on March 09, 2017, 07:19:17 AM
757 at the rear wheels seems like it would be a bit quicker in the 1/4. The 129 mph 10.5 1/4 times make me think it's 757 hp total. Either way, this is a beast of a machine! :banana:
I would think the TQ would be higher too, but looking at the graph in the video the HP and TQ are right together.
:huh:
Quote from: 303 Mopar on March 09, 2017, 05:54:29 AM
Its all about performance in this one, and LOTS of clues. 3.0 sec 0-60, 10.5 1/4 mile, 757 HP/TQ at the wheels, and a quick cool down feature to help between runs! :banana:
They sure know how to hit me where I live huh! :drooling: :veryexcited: Commercials/video's are very well done! Just need a lottery win.... :pullinghair:
Ok let's break this down.
The Hellcat has 707hp at the crank and now we have numbers on the Demon 757/hp to the rear wheels.
Knowing that power is usually chewed up 20-30% going through the transmission (gearbox and rear end) we have a HP number of -- between (20%) 908hp up to (30%) 984hp at the crank which is pretty darn respectable.
We also know that the Demon weighs 215lbs less than the Hellcat which weighs in at 4,439lbs so the Demon comes in at 4224lbs.
Plugging these numbers in:
https://www.gregraven.org/hotwater/calculators/qm-from-wt-hp.php
We come very close 10.33@132mph.
A funny side note about the video.
When it hits 6th gear it says it's pulling all this power below 4k rpms which doesn't seem right.
:rofl:
1/8 mile 6.6 at 125mph, 1/4 mile 10.5 at 129mph. Doesn't add up? I think they lifted before getting to the 1/4. MPH would have climbed more than 4 mph in the last 1/8.
:iagree: Something doesn't make sense. The 1/8 and 1/4 should be slightly further apart. A normal calculator puts the quarter closer to 10.2 or 10.3 if they got a 6.6 in the 1/8. Who do they have driving? Looks like a lot of wheel spin in the 1/8 by those numbers. :dunno:
Hot rod had a stock hellcat put down 620hp at the wheels, that's only a 13% power train loss, so if this one makes 757 at the wheels that would be 870hp, thoughts?
I still think it's going to be 757 total HP. :dunno:
Quote from: Moparman82 on March 09, 2017, 03:25:59 PM
Hot rod had a stock hellcat put down 620hp at the wheels, that's only a 13% power train loss, so if this one makes 757 at the wheels that would be 870hp, thoughts?
I think Moparman is just describing hp to the wheels (Demon) versus the advertised crank horsepower (Hellcat).
Yeah something is funny with the results they posted but the 7:57 clock is telling.
10.33 is smoking fast for a stock out of the showroom car (prep of course)
Yeah I'm just throwing stuff out there, I agree that all the 757 numbers in almost every video must be HP numbers, I guess I'm just hoping that is at the wheels, I know it sounds dumb but it's an awful lot of effort playing up this car for a 7% horsepower increase :headbang:
From Chrysler - AUBURN HILLS, Michigan — The 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat is the fastest muscle car ever, with a National Hot Rod Association-certified quarter?mile elapsed time of 11.2 seconds at 125 mph with stock Pirelli P275/40ZR20 P Zero tires, Chrysler said on Friday. With drag radials, the run dropped to 10.8 seconds at 126 mph, according to the automaker.
It's always a swag ... but old rule was 100hp gain could equal 1 sec drop in ET. If you use this, weight reduction, and suspension setup design more for launching .... wow. With just drag radial mod - 9.xx second "out of the box car' ... and possibly with 9.9x or better with OEM tires (driver, good DA, etc) .. mind numbing ..... :unbelievable:
The Demon will come with a torque reserve system (anti-lag) that "lets more air flow through the engine before launch, allowing for increased supercharger rpm without torque overwhelming the brakes and spinning the tires." Apparently the system closes the bypass valve of the supercharger, allowing boost pressure to raise, and the engine computer deactivates alternating cylinders to allow rpm's to rise while keeping power output low. Launch will disengage the system and you leave the line at a higher engine rpm and boost enabling the engine to reach peak power faster.
The Demon also has a custom exhaust tone in the video, and you can get a new ringtone at
www.ifyouknowyouknow.com (http://www.ifyouknowyouknow.com).
Finally there is a new math problem - 3.9 + 221 = 405 :notsure:
:huh: Not much in that video. Was hoping for more this week.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on March 16, 2017, 07:29:54 AM
:huh: Not much in that video. Was hoping for more this week.
There's enough to let the Bowtie Boys and Blue Oval boys know that the Demon is one seriously bad boy..... That thing rolls out in a hurry....
They seem to be giving a formula to try and figure out the real horsepower. Also the No Pills clue is interesting. Kinda like saying there is nothing artificial about it.
Pure guess but something like:
3.9 lbs of boost at 221 feet putting out 405 horsepower.
Ya, what the heck does "No Pills' mean? :clueless:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on March 16, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
Ya, what the heck does "No Pills' mean? :clueless:
It could mean that it's not on steroids but I think we all know better. :yes:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on March 16, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
Ya, what the heck does "No Pills' mean? :clueless:
No Nitrous Pills as in NOS spray.....
Just found this. Thought some of you might be interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M6CemuAj84
That was cool!!!! Thanks for sharing that! April 11th we'll know. Can't wait. Here's the video blown motor posted:
http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger/demon.html
just talked to one of my dealers who is 'on the list'. he said he met one of the main designers a week ago and was told it will be AWD and 800hp at the wheels.
AWD! As much as I would LOVE that to be true, I'm not sure how they can pull that off with the specs they have already released. :notsure: AWD adds weight and why would they give you the crate with skinny front tires?
Quote from: ec_co on March 21, 2017, 01:26:51 PM
just talked to one of my dealers who is 'on the list'. he said he met one of the main designers a week ago and was told it will be AWD and 800hp at the wheels.
Cannot be AWD, kinda defeats doing weight transfer for the 1/4 mile.
I think the 757hp at the wheel number is the correct stat.
Check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6fc_LZLWfI
Quote from: HP_Cuda on March 21, 2017, 03:11:33 PM
Cannot be AWD, kinda defeats doing weight transfer for the 1/4 mile.
I think the 757hp at the wheel number is the correct stat.
I do not disagree at all, sounded weird and asked him 2x, he said the same thing.
that video shows a 9.54 quarter ..... impressive
Looks like clickbait. :notsure: Still a fast car! mid 9's is really moving!!!!
Quote from: blown motor on March 22, 2017, 10:04:39 AM
Check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6fc_LZLWfI
That was not a Demon. It was a Drag Pak car with Demon stickers advertising the new Demon for Dodge.
https://www.allpar.com/forums/threads/dodge-demon-hints.166647/page-135
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Quote from: Oldschool on March 22, 2017, 12:28:52 PM
That was not a Demon. It was a Drag Pak car with Demon stickers advertising the new Demon for Dodge.
https://www.allpar.com/forums/threads/dodge-demon-hints.166647/page-135
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:iagree: Kenny.i caught that too!quick car no matter what,give the beast a run wouldn't it.lol
Quote from: MOPAR FANATIC on March 22, 2017, 01:23:57 PM
Quote from: Oldschool on March 22, 2017, 12:28:52 PM
That was not a Demon. It was a Drag Pak car with Demon stickers advertising the new Demon for Dodge.
https://www.allpar.com/forums/threads/dodge-demon-hints.166647/page-135
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:iagree: Kenny.i caught that too!quick car no matter what,give the beast a run wouldn't it.lol
Yep, the car in the vid had a cage in it too, the Demon's don't --- yet... LoL...
Demon video 11 in a few hours! :banana:
:burnout:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on March 22, 2017, 11:56:00 PM
Demon video 11 in a few hours! :banana:
LOCK AND LOAD!! First production car with a trans brake! Wicked headlights, check out the ground clearance! Again 757 and 815 hinted at again (HP and TQ? - two driving modes?). Another math equation on the plate - 83 + 317 = 534.
Lock and Load!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OStLj_FviR4
The 815 give me a LOT of hope that the HP might not be the 757 number they have been pushing. WOW! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on March 23, 2017, 07:34:36 AM
The 815 give me a LOT of hope that the HP might not be the 757 number they have been pushing. WOW! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
The designers of the original Hellcat engine stated at the time that the factory bottom end was designed to withstand at least 1000HP in that platform. It looks like they are creeping towards that number. That's a stud for a factory car...
So what's up with the Red front headlights? :huh:
:stayinlane:
757 black key, 815 red key maybe?
The real question is: how many weeks will it take that Demon to finish the Quarter Mile? :haha:
Wonder if there is room in the "crate" for extra underwear? Pretty sure some people will crap themselves in this car.
03.23.2017 , Auburn Hills, Mich. The 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon leverages a performance feature that is sure to make it one for the history books. Unlocked on March 23, the newest teaser, "Lock and Load," shares a feature that not only delivers the highest level of dedicated drag car technology offered in a production car but also, until now, could only be found in the aftermarket for "track use only" vehicles.
The 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon is the first ever, factory production car with a TransBrake™. This exclusive performance feature enables the SRT Demon to produce launch forces previously unattainable by street legal production vehicles. Quicker power delivery and higher engine launch torque potential are achieved by locking the output shaft of the automatic transmission to keep the vehicle stationary until launch.
C
onventional vehicle launches consist of the driver using one foot on the brake and one on the accelerator pedal to increase engine speed while holding the vehicle stationary, known as foot-brake launch or two-footing. The SRT Demon's TransBrake feature provides improved reaction times and more consistent launches by utilizing the steering wheel paddle shifters as a launch trigger. Using the driver's finger exclusively to trigger launch of the SRT Demon results in a 30 percent reaction time advantage over foot-brake launches.
By locking the output shaft of the transmission, the Challenger SRT Demon's TransBrake works in conjunction with Torque Reserve to achieve:
Brake-free launches up to 2,350 RPM
105 percent increase in launch boost pressures
120 percent increase engine launch torque
To make sure the SRT Demon can take full advantage of maximum torque at launch, the TransBrake feature also includes a driveline preload process. Preloading ensures engine torque is applied through the entire driveline all the way to the rear wheels. The result is full engine torque delivery where the tires touch the ground 150 milliseconds after the paddle shifter is released. Preloading the driveline also provides reduced component spike loads and thus less potential of component damage. The overall result is faster acceleration at launch, better 60-foot times and improved quarter-mile times.
The TransBrake feature also compliments the SRT Demon's new lightweight brake package, designed to enable the use of narrow front-runner wheels at the drag strip. With TransBrake holding the SRT Demon steady, more torque is available via higher engine rpm without fear of overwhelming the reduced grip of braked front runners. This gives the SRT Demon up to 40 percent more available launch torque compared to vehicles with front runners using a foot-brake launch.
Got to LOVE this car! :woohoo:
This seems to be building to an epic launch date. Puns included :drunk:
Maybe 815 HP at the Flywheel and 757 Hp at the rear wheels? :huh:
About the actual Hellcat, 707 HP are at the rear wheels or flywheel?
The 707 is at the flywheel.
Quote from: chal340 on March 24, 2017, 04:30:29 AM
About the actual Hellcat, 707 HP are at the rear wheels or flywheel?
Yep at the crank.
Man the more I think about this and the more this goes on I wonder if the price is going up every time they release a video?
:rofl:
And imagine the price here in France. A Hellcat is already 95000-105000 euros. :crying: :crying: :looney:
Quote from: HP_Cuda on March 24, 2017, 08:12:05 AM
Yep at the crank.
Man the more I think about this and the more this goes on I wonder if the price is going up every time they release a video?
:rofl:
Found this on YT. By comments its real deal Demon. But it's the internet as well .. lol. Don't know why Dodge would show case a 1/4 mile run though with something that wasn't real deal ... high 9's,
https://youtu.be/N6fc_LZLWfI
Pure marketing - just creating more buzz leading up to the April launch date.
I posted that video last week. Apparently it's not really a Demon.
Quote from: blown motor on March 28, 2017, 06:17:42 AM
I posted that video last week. Apparently it's not really a Demon.
Ah. Sorry. Didn't look back to check
No Ice needed on the supercharger. The Liquid to Air Charge Air Cooler Chiller System means the Demon will be the first production car to use the interior air condition to cool the intercooler system to lower the intake temp by 45 degrees. When in Drag mode, cold air is diverted from the interior to the supercharged Hemi's cooling loop.
They thought of everything on this car! Did you see the quick flash ofthe track and one side was covered in ice with a 000 on the score board and the other side had a 290 (?) without any ice.
Way friggin cool. They have really though the design out well.
Man this thing will probably be hard to get for awhile and the markup over MSRP will be astronomical.
:drinkingbud:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 23, 2017, 06:50:52 PM
My buddy called me today and said he put a deposit down on one. He did the same thing with the Hellcat when it came out. Put a deposit down and end up paying $20k over sticker to have the first one. This Demon is going to be big!!!!
Quote from: roadman on January 23, 2017, 06:14:50 PM
Just tripped over this. http://ht.ly/Kwez308h0og
Is he a member here?
Not unless they start offering internet to flip phones. :haha: He calls me each Thursday so I can "describe" the new Demon video to him. :Thud:
He said I can go pick it up with him and drive it as soon as it comes in. :checkmail: We drove his Hellcat off the showroom floor together (while his wife watched). And the first thing I do is hide a sticker on it (with my name on it) because the joke is when he dies I get anything that has my name it. :rofl:
Quote from: Topcat on March 30, 2017, 07:21:15 PM
Is he a member here?
I've been watching the impact that the Demon has had on the price of Hellcats, Scat Packs, and the other Challengers. There are a lot of people selling off their cars in anticipation of the Demon.
Quote from: 303 Mopar on March 31, 2017, 05:51:16 AM
I've been watching the impact that the Demon has had on the price of Hellcats, Scat Packs, and the other Challengers. There are a lot of people selling off their cars in anticipation of the Demon.
I noticed that too Dan, anywhere from 5 to 10 grand cheaper for hellcat challenger's then hellcat chargers, I imagine because there's no demon charger coming
The Demons will be limited production to around 2000. :takemymoney:
Do you have your order in Mark?
I just saw the video! Imagine, this thing would leave Sox and Martin in the dust! On their best day, back in the day! Wow :lookatthat:
Looks like they are releasing two Demon videos this week. :lookatthat: One on Thursday and another on Friday. Then we get to see the launch next Tuesday. This is it guys. We'll know everything in less then 1 week! :banana:
:yes: :yes: :yes:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
:drinkingbud:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 04, 2017, 10:19:16 PM
Looks like they are releasing two Demon videos this week. :lookatthat: One on Thursday and another on Friday. Then we get to see the launch next Tuesday. This is it guys. We'll know everything in less then 1 week! :banana:
Heck YA!!! :burnout: :stayinlane:
Looks to have a factory tune option for race gas. :banana:
The crate will include a different Power Control Module (PCM) thats programmed to handle the HO fuel, an additional fuel pump, larger fuel injectors using the high rail pressure, and a button in the center console to activate High Octane mode.
Judgement Day on April 11th - This thing is so cool and what great marketing by Dodge. :stayinlane: :cooldance: :veryexcited: :bravo:
The technology is over the top!!!! Incredible. :banana:
Called it back on Feb 5th:
The last part that gets me is that you will have to run Cam2 Purple race fuel. Geez I don't even know if it's sold anymore. But if you look at one of the videos the Demon does have a button on the center dash for different fuel types.
:D
Quote from: 303 Mopar on April 07, 2017, 05:44:42 AM
Looks to have a factory tune option for race gas. :banana:
The crate will include a different Power Control Module (PCM) thats programmed to handle the HO fuel, an additional fuel pump, larger fuel injectors using the high rail pressure, and a button in the center console to activate High Octane mode.
I think I saw a 10.2x or 10.3x time which I also predicted.
That would be pretty wicked fast for a production car right off the factory floor (with a little prep of course).
Kinda reminds me of the days when folks started showing up at the drags with Gran Nationals. Although not as fast but impressive for the time.
Quote from: HP_Cuda on April 07, 2017, 10:31:31 AM
Called it back on Feb 5th:
The last part that gets me is that you will have to run Cam2 Purple race fuel. Geez I don't even know if it's sold anymore. But if you look at one of the videos the Demon does have a button on the center dash for different fuel types.
Quote from: 303 Mopar on April 07, 2017, 05:44:42 AM
Would not surprise me if Dodge has inked a partnership with someone for Demon race fuel, or even supply it themselves.
Yep and it ain't gonna be cheap!
MPG - miles per gosh dang that expensive!
:rofl:
We're finally going to see this beast and all it's true numbers!!!! :banana:
Woot woot! Hellcat grand Cherokee is officially revealed this week too
A Moparts post is saying three power levels.
#1. 757hp
#2. 815hp
#3. 1023hp (requires race gas, "crate" ECM and drag mode turned on)
Quote from: Moparman82 on April 10, 2017, 08:40:35 AM
Woot woot! Hellcat grand Cherokee is officially revealed this week too
aka The Trackhawk ... should be a beast, but an SUV with 700+ HP is a head scratcher .... :popcorn:
Quote from: Burdar on April 10, 2017, 08:44:24 AM
A Moparts post is saying three power levels.
#1. 757hp
#2. 815hp
#3. 1023hp (requires race gas, "crate" ECM and drag mode turned on)
That would be awesome! Sign me up!
well folks, we are winding up the final years of huge HP gas engines from the factory, so enjoy them while you can. in 10 years just about all V8s for standard vehicles will be replaced by hybrids, pure electric, or 4cyl/6cyl turbo/supercharged combinations. aftermarket support will stick around for a long time, but the end is coming for our big factory powered V8s. it will be interesting to see the transitions.
Just heard last week that Tesla (which had already past Chrysler) had moved past Ford in terms of worth. They are poised to pass GM in the new months making Tesla one of the most valuable car companies in the world. And they only produce about 0.1% of the total cars Ford or Chevy does each month. To me that value seems a little off. :notsure:
Quote from: ec_co on April 10, 2017, 08:56:02 AM
well folks, we are winding up the final years of huge HP gas engines from the factory, so enjoy them while you can. in 10 years just about all V8s for standard vehicles will be replaced by hybrids, pure electric, or 4cyl/6cyl turbo/supercharged combinations. aftermarket support will stick around for a long time, but the end is coming for our big factory powered V8s. it will be interesting to see the transitions.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 10, 2017, 09:10:43 AM
Just heard last week that Tesla (which had already past Chrysler) had moved past Ford in terms of worth. They are poised to pass GM in the new months making Tesla one of the most valuable car companies in the world. And they only produce about 0.1% of the total cars Ford or Chevy does each month. To me that value seems a little off. :notsure:
The over valued stock could be a simple "pump and dump". Artificially run up the stock value to entice buyers and then dump the stock at peak run-up. Be careful investing in these type deals... 0.02....
Totally agree. All speculation and I want nothing to do with that.
Quote from: Oldschool on April 10, 2017, 09:34:52 AM
The over valued stock could be a simple "pump and dump". Artificially run up the stock value to entice buyers and then dump the stock at peak run-up. Be careful investing in these type deals... 0.02....
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 10, 2017, 09:10:43 AM
Just heard last week that Tesla (which had already past Chrysler) had moved past Ford in terms of worth. They are poised to pass GM in the new months making Tesla one of the most valuable car companies in the world. And they only produce about 0.1% of the total cars Ford or Chevy does each month. To me that value seems a little off. :notsure:
Quote from: ec_co on April 10, 2017, 08:56:02 AM
well folks, we are winding up the final years of huge HP gas engines from the factory, so enjoy them while you can. in 10 years just about all V8s for standard vehicles will be replaced by hybrids, pure electric, or 4cyl/6cyl turbo/supercharged combinations. aftermarket support will stick around for a long time, but the end is coming for our big factory powered V8s. it will be interesting to see the transitions.
Quote from: Oldschool on April 10, 2017, 09:34:52 AM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 10, 2017, 09:10:43 AM
Just heard last week that Tesla (which had already past Chrysler) had moved past Ford in terms of worth. They are poised to pass GM in the new months making Tesla one of the most valuable car companies in the world. And they only produce about 0.1% of the total cars Ford or Chevy does each month. To me that value seems a little off. :notsure:
The over valued stock could be a simple "pump and dump". Artificially run up the stock value to entice buyers and then dump the stock at peak run-up. Be careful investing in these type deals... 0.02....
I'd check your source here. Tesla was looking for cash injections recently & barely registers with market share. Plants, dealer body, return on sales & investment, blow Tesla out of the water.
I don't recall where I saw it originally, but there's a lot of news sources that covered it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/business/tesla-ford-general-motors-stock-market.html?_r=0
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-03/tesla-passes-ford-by-market-value-before-musk-delivers-model-3
757hp
815hp
And 1023 on race gas? Can't wait to see the track times!
We'll know in 8 hours!!!!! :fingerscrossed: Come on big numbers!!!!!
4 hours to go!!!!! :lookatthat:
arg, its going to be during my commute home :'(
I'd love to see a sub 10 sec 1/4 mile time on race gas.
This is gonna be good.
:burnout: :veryexcited: :woohoo:
1 Hour to go!!!!! :popcorn:
doesn't that require a rollcage at most tracks?
Yes unfortunately it does but it would be amazing to see the demon do it.
Minutes left.... I'm watching it. Let's see what happens: :lookatthat:
http://www.dodge.com/en/ifyouknowyouknow/
I see nothing????? Hope they are just late or the servers overwhelmed?
Some browsers will not show live steaming. I had to go from Chrome to Internet Explorer.
Quote from: tman on April 11, 2017, 04:33:28 PM
I see nothing????? Hope they are just late or the servers overwhelmed?
https://www.futuremotoring.com/watch-dodge-challenger-demon-reveal/
Try this link. The Dodge link wasn't working for me either.
This You Tube might work too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=S904YbiCebs
Holy crap, my dreams came true 9.65 sec 1/4 mile time @ 140mph.
Certified and banned by NHRA. Hilarious!
Wow. :wrenching:
:popcorn:
0 to 60 in 2.3 sec
1/4 mile = 9.65
840 HP
:lookatthat:
How much longer until we hear what MSRP will be?
Would have liked them to explain a few of those clues they were giving us. Maybe the media were given more info and we'll hear what each one was? :fingerscrossed:
Did they mention anything about price, I didn't see it.
:dunno:
I only saw front set for a $ and back seat for a $
What did you guys think of the black out hood and roof? Here's the colors:
The 2018 Dodge SRT Demon Will Be Available In 14 Exterior Colors: B5 Blue, Billet Silver, Destroyer Grey, F8 Green, Go Mango, Granite Crystal, Indigo Blue, Maximum Steel, Octane Red, Pitch Black, Plum Crazy, TorRed, White Knuckle, And Yellow Jacket. All Exterior Colors Are Available With Satin Black Hood, Roof, And Decklid.
Q&A for the press is going on right now. More info will be coming soon I'm sure.
More Live broadcast in 15m I guess.
Would love to hear the press questions.
I would love a Green Go Demon with Black out hood and roof!
Some cool images...
So, you have a factory drag car that you can't run on a NHRA drag strip because it's to fast. :notsure: Don't get me wrong, would be a lot of fun but that doesn't make any sense.
You'll need to update a few safety bits to make it legal to run NHRA. Can you imagine the board rooms at Ford and Chevrolet today and tomorrow? Looooong faces. I wonder what it will ET with the 1023 kit? Great publicity move.
Holy smokes
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Woo hoo, here are the meanings behind the clues.
:cheers:
Buck for each passenger seat and rear seat. Cool - who wouldn't order them and take them out.
Just a few shots taken at ford and Chevy. It would be cool if they maned up and showed up with something cool too in the next little bit. Bring back the hp wars of the 60's early 70's.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 11, 2017, 06:23:34 PM
You'll need to update a few safety bits to make it legal to run NHRA. Can you imagine the board rooms at Ford and Chevrolet today and tomorrow? Looooong faces. I wonder what it will ET with the 1023 kit? Great publicity move.
My new screen saver...
Dual fuel pumps
Demon specific cam, pistons, crank
14.7 lbs of boost - supercharger
Do you know the meaning of the clues yet? :notsure:
Quote from: HP_Cuda on April 11, 2017, 06:33:01 PM
Woo hoo, here are the meanings behind the clues.
:cheers:
Buck for each passenger seat and rear seat. Cool - who wouldn't order them and take them out.
Beauty
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Some were revealed but not all.
One of the firsts ones were correct about the size of the supercharger which can net 14.7 lbs of boost.
This makes me wonder if they will stretch this out even more???
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Do you know the meaning of the clues yet? :notsure:
Quote from: HP_Cuda on April 11, 2017, 06:33:01 PM
Woo hoo, here are the meanings behind the clues.
:cheers:
Buck for each passenger seat and rear seat. Cool - who wouldn't order them and take them out.
Here's my new screensaver
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that is f'in insane! glad to hear I was wrong, a 9.65 quarter ... from the factory ... with a warranty .... crazy! this of all things proves that FCA buying Chrysler/Dodge didn't dampen the crazy. wow, just wow.
I like the flares and that is the best new Challenger hood ever too.
9.65/140mph "...840hp/770ft. lbs. torque to do that." :burnout:
:alan2cents: In my eye some of the angles on the Challenger just showed as being out of proportion - too tall in the back end for example, but the flares and understated hood scoop just work for me :inlove: :takemymoney:
Some neat details are coming out:
http://www.allpar.com/news/2017/04/the-2018-demon-everything-there-is-to-know-37153
While the Demon doesn't come with a front passenger seat, a rear seat or trunk trim from the factory, buyers can add each of those items as an option for a dollar. Seriously – the front passenger seat costs $1, the back seat costs $1 and the trunk trim costs $1. That Demon Crate with the skinny front wheels, the tools, the high performance PCM, the new switch panel and a few other odds and ends also costs $1, so if you check all of the boxes for those items, it adds $4 to the final price.
Each Demon comes with a leather bound book which the owner receives when the order is placed with FCA by the dealership. This book explains all of the unique features, how things like the TransBrake, intercooler chiller and the after-run cooling system works along with offering hints of how to set up the drive mode system for the best possible quarter mile times. This book also includes a race log and a coupon which allows the Demon owner to order their Demon Crate from FCA. The Crate is sent directly to the owner's home (or wherever they want it sent), so the dealership isn't involved in that aspect and it is during this phase where Dodge is doing something interesting to try to prevent greedy dealerships from ordering a car and adding a huge markup without a buyer waiting.
When the Demon buyer orders his or her new Mopar muscle car, that person's name is applied to the Demon Crate which has a matching VIN to the car. This cannot be ordered blank, so dealerships will be forced to provide a name and if they just put the dealership name or a generic name – it will make the car less attractive to some buyers. With this system, dealers almost have to order the car with an actual buyer lined up, which should help curb the massive markups.
When will they release the cost of the beast?
Imagine the price here in France, a Hellcat is already 90,000-100,000 euros. :(.
Thank You Dodge!!!
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Here is quote I found that matches my thoughts on the Demon - :banana:
"So, here's the thing about the new Demon that I find particularly satisfying. Many hundreds of years ago, when I was doing magazine tests on new cars, I would constantly catch grief by the "powers that be" for only focusing on one aspect of the car...namely how quickly can I get this thing to eat a 1/4 mile of pavement. They wanted me to include stuff like, how does it handle? How does it stop? Ride quality? Is it comfy?
I was like, F all that noise, man...this is AMERICA. Americans only care about one thing...making the guy in the other lane sorry he ever decided to try your s**t.
So, here we are..in the future, and the company I have dedicated the vast majority of my life to comes out and says...yeah, F all that world class stuff. Here's a stupid amount of horsepower, and some Drag Radials, and a GD trans brake. Go forth and pull wheelies in the name and memory of the Dodge Bros. and fear nothing because we got your back. Oh, and if you want s**t like seats, toss us two bucks and we'll stick em in there!
Validation is real! I'm just glad I lived long enough to see it."
:iagree: :perfect10:
:takemymoney: (if I had any, lol)
First time I've seen a price anywhere...$85K.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2018-dodge-challenger-srt-demon-photos-and-info-news
I heard $95k US so I think it might be under $100k US. There are 300 destined for the Canadian market. I'd like to find out if I can get one to go faster at Mission Raceway. The SS/AH guys used to come up here to set records.
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What do you think the Demon will do to the prices of the Hellcat?
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 12, 2017, 11:10:05 AM
What do you think the Demon will do to the prices of the Hellcat?
:thumbdown:
If they keep it to a small production as noted. I don't see a major impact. that's a 1% er car that most cant afford or buy. the current hellcat hasn't diminished/impacted the values of the scat packs IMO. not here anyway.
minimal impact, 3 different buyer types IMO. one that wants the name, reputation and high HP #s but will never really race it (but will drive it around town and to car shows). the other that wants the same, but will actually drive the piss out of it and race it. then there is the 3rd that will buy it for the name/reputation, but will stick it in a garage for most of its life and will probably never see track time.
I don't know. Other sites are reporting that used Challenger Hellcat prices are dropping because owners are selling them in anticipation of buying a Demon. Used Charger Hellcat prices(they say) are 8-10k more expensive. Now that it has come out that the Demon will be limited production, some Hellcats that are for sale, might be taken off the market.(not everyone who wants a Demon will be able to get one)
a little extra info: http://blog.dupontregistry.com/news/dodge-finally-unleashes-the-demon-specs-pics-and-video/
Will this be a call back to the days of folks buying Hemi's at the 1% rate
This is definitely one of those times where you look back and say "gee I wish I bought the Demon". I think the Hellcat will lose some of it's luster cause it's no longer the fastest and coolest car around. They should retain value for what they represent.
Quote from: MoparDave on April 12, 2017, 11:36:02 AM
If they keep it to a small production as noted. I don't see a major impact. that's a 1% er car that most cant afford or buy. the current hellcat hasn't diminished/impacted the values of the scat packs IMO. not here anyway.
Does it seem like things are different now compared to back in the late 60's / early 70's? Back then you were buying a machine. Now it seems like you're buying a computer. :notsure: And we all know how computers hold their value, right? :bye: Kinda like buying the latest greatest phone. Unless they stop making them, there is going to be technological advances that make the next one better. So unless production stays super low (like Ford GT and Italian cars) it does seem like they will go down in value over time. :alan2cents: But I still want one. :D
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 12, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
Does it seem like things are different now compared to back in the late 60's / early 70's? Back then you were buying a machine. Now it seems like you're buying a computer. :notsure: And we all know how computers hold their value, right? :bye: Kinda like buying the latest greatest phone. Unless they stop making them, there is going to be technological advances that make the next one better. So unless production stays super low (like Ford GT and Italian cars) it does seem like they will go down in value over time. :alan2cents: But I still want one. :D
I have a bad feeling insurance companies are going to step in soon...... around here in Cunukastan the provincial governments tells insurance companies what to insure. I got a notice that if I used my car on "timed events, such as but not limited to drag racing or autocross" then they were not allowed to insure me period. I angrily called my insurance company and they explained it was not them , it was the provincial government telling them to do this. :verymad:
Especially with idiots like this.... ( this happened, or finished about 10 minutes from my door)
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/04/02/luxury-cars-among-12-vehicles-impounded-by-opp-for-stunt-driving.html
It's sure a neat car. For me though it would be either it or my Viper and an E-body so I guess I won't be one of the 300.
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Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 12, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
Does it seem like things are different now compared to back in the late 60's / early 70's? Back then you were buying a machine. Now it seems like you're buying a computer. :notsure: And we all know how computers hold their value, right? :bye: Kinda like buying the latest greatest phone. Unless they stop making them, there is going to be technological advances that make the next one better. So unless production stays super low (like Ford GT and Italian cars) it does seem like they will go down in value over time. :alan2cents: But I still want one. :D
I have a bad feeling insurance companies are going to step in soon...... around here in Cunukastan the provincial governments tells insurance companies what to insure. I got a notice that if I used my car on "timed events, such as but not limited to drag racing or autocross" then they were not allowed to insure me period. I angrily called my insurance company and they explained it was not them , it was the provincial government telling them to do this. :verymad:
Especially with idiots like this.... ( this happened, or finished about 10 minutes from my door)
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/04/02/luxury-cars-among-12-vehicles-impounded-by-opp-for-stunt-driving.html
Haggerty is the "official" insurance sponsor of the Demon.
Thing here in the US is that insurance is regulated by each state. I've run into a situation in ours with the Pumpkin. Our regular "collector" insurance wouldn't cover it (said our state regulation will not allow "exceptions" to policies ... meaning, ok for street but not strip ... since it was tubbed and caged they won't do those cars in our state ... actually told me if I had relatives in another state to register it there). Yet I found another who did insure it for agreed value. So go figure. Lol
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 12, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
Does it seem like things are different now compared to back in the late 60's / early 70's? Back then you were buying a machine. Now it seems like you're buying a computer. :notsure: And we all know how computers hold their value, right? :bye: Kinda like buying the latest greatest phone. Unless they stop making them, there is going to be technological advances that make the next one better. So unless production stays super low (like Ford GT and Italian cars) it does seem like they will go down in value over time. :alan2cents: But I still want one. :D
I think this one really, really pushes the limits. I will like to see how long the drive trains last when the first few dudes start hot lapping these. 50+ runs down the 1/4 with race gas and full out tune.
I know what you are saying. In some industries the R&D departments know what they are getting ready to roll out is almost obsolete already ... :haha:
The actually "computers" on cars now are amazing. Fuel Tech is the cutting edge now where FAST was just 2 years ago (at least in racing .. and the expensive stuff). But in the end, its an engine. And look at how, after the 90s and DOC and all that, they are back to basic push rod stuff. Better metallurgy, laser cutting, etc. made that possible. (And computer designing)
We now have six banger with more HP than many muscle cars of the days. But IMHO, its coming close to the brick wall with that with internal combustion.
Technology I think still has room in suspension. Maybe squeeze bit more economy.
Bet they will allocate Demons to dealerships on how many Hellcats they've sold per year.
Quote from: Marc70challenger on April 12, 2017, 06:04:42 PM
We now have six banger with more HP than many muscle cars of the days.
kinda crazy that a modern v6 puts out as much power (and more in many cases) as an old v8. a new Pentastar 3.6 puts out 305 HP .... add a supercharger bumps it to 450hp+ on stock internals
Demon easter eggs (eg: what did all those commercials mean??)
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/new-york-auto-show/news/g6955/explaining-the-math-behind-all-those-demon-easter-eggs/
one example:
Hovering in the burnout smoke in this image is a puzzling equation: 13.5 = 575 @ 500. "This one was kind of tough," Kuniskis said. It breaks down to this: At 13.5 mph, the car is accelerating with a force of 1.8 g, which roughly translates to an acceleration of 57.5 feet per second squared—all of which happens at 0.500 seconds into your drag run, hence the 500.
:takemymoney: :veryexcited:
Conversation I had with my guy at our local dealer today haha soooo many choices!! :unitedstates: :burnout:
If the track hawk had a third row or if they made a Durango version, I'd be all on it!
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They have an SRT8 Durango coming out. Not the same thing by any means but it still looks bad a$$. :wowzers:
Which color would you pick?
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Pitch Black
Destroyer Grey
F8 Green
Indigo blue or F8 all day
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Octane Red or B5 would be high on my list. :yes:
Yes or no on the Satin hood / roof / deck lid? :clueless:
Decisions, decisions.... Hmmm.. Eeny - meeny - miney - moe......
1st - F8
2nd - Go Mango
3rd - Tor Red.
But the others look good too....
doesn't matter ,there is no way I can get one anyway
I really want to see a Demon in F8. Could be the sleeper awesome color of the bunch.
Quote from: Oldschool on April 14, 2017, 08:54:23 AM
Decisions, decisions.... Hmmm.. Eeny - meeny - miney - moe......
1st - F8
2nd - Go Mango
3rd - Tor Red.
But the others look good too....
wow, didn't know they brought back F8. doesn't look bad at all. back in the day I had a buddy with an F8 318 Barracuda, looked really nice after a cut/buff
mine would be white knuckle with the blackout treatment
One of my wealthy friends ordered one. Next time I see him, I'll find out what color he ordered ... I'd purchase a "Go Mango" sled.
Are any of the new silver/greys like the old Gun Metal? I am thinking in today's PC whimpers world, you can't name anything after a gun. But I thought perhaps one of the newer greys is close?
There is a modern equivalent but it doesn't look like it's an option on the Demon. I've seen it on some Hellcat Chargers though.
Magnum steel
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Ah .. thanks Blake and Burdar!
limited Time Offer and One Time dealer ordering . Demon LED sign. roughly 12" tall at 22" long , like the other SRT sign.
Forum member price is $ 249.00 + ups, Yes that is pricey I know But that is not to far off from cost. PM or Call 586-859-2613 to order/reserve your Demon LED dealer only sign.
That's a cool sign!!!!
very cool sign.
but the ad has a horrible spelling mistake ...... don't know how they overlooked it :foul:
Legal way of getting past the "limited quantity" statment.
:stop:
:Thud:
sorry, that's what happens when you slap something together too quick to post, fingers and brainnot synced up. will fix in am,
Quote from: ec_co on April 18, 2017, 01:21:29 PM
very cool sign.
but the ad has a horrible spelling mistake ...... don't know how they overlooked it :foul:
thanks for pointing out the issues, I think this one looks a tad better.
I wonder why they are not offering sub lime or snake skin green. Anyone know?
Quote from: MoparDave on April 18, 2017, 06:03:40 PM
Quote from: ec_co on April 18, 2017, 01:21:29 PM
very cool sign.
but the ad has a horrible spelling mistake ...... don't know how they overlooked it :foul:
thanks for pointing out the issues, I think this one looks a tad better.
lol, I thought it was the vendor. was kinda funny :)
Modified Hellcat Charger runs 9's in Texas. Pretty amazing for a 4 door sedan.
:ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
:burnout:
Man that thing is QUICK! :yes: :wowzers:
Wonder how much more money to make it run in the 9's?
Quote from: CudaMoparRay on April 21, 2017, 11:49:02 PM
Wonder how much more money to make it run in the 9's?
Cam, heads, pistons, rods, intake mod, suspension, a good tune on the PCM, headers, tires = $20k?
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Quote from: CudaMoparRay on April 21, 2017, 11:49:02 PM
Wonder how much more money to make it run in the 9's?
Cam, heads, pistons, rods, intake mod, suspension, a good tune on the PCM, headers, tires = $20k?
Too much I see! Probably relatively cheaper to just buy the Demon LOL LOL
Don't forget: SFI balancer and plate, axels ( if don't already have). And other required safety equip: certified cage, drive shaft loops, engine diaper, etc.
That's if the track inspects. I've see unsafe shit pass through.
Yeah it would be a small pain to get it track certified and then it's also heavier so that is a little bummer.
Just saw a brand new Dodge Demon commercial on T.V. tonite.
Fresh material wasn't even on Youtube.
As if they need to advertise!!
Quote from: blown motor on April 26, 2017, 05:43:46 AM
As if they need to advertise!!
They know it will be only afforded to a few and they are Mopar addicts who will pay the price. The need to advertise is moot.
Since the Viper is gone, the Demon is now Dodge's "Halo" car. By advertising the Demon, they are advertising the entire brand. :alan2cents:
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Quote from: blown motor on April 26, 2017, 05:43:46 AM
As if they need to advertise!!
They know it will be only afforded to a few and they are Mopar addicts who will pay the price. The need to advertise is moot.
You are correct and I am one of those addicts. I have been following the Demon for 6 months before anyone knew it existed. They don't need advertising because if you know you know.
I'm confused about the demon's claim for fastest production car ever, picked up a car mag today with the demon on the cover, talked about the 9.65 1/4 and being the fastest ever, in the same magazine, the he a article about the Bugatti Chiron, 1500hp AWD 9.4 in the 1/4. Same magazine as the demon, sand the Bugatti is a 2017 model currently on sale :notsure:
That's a good question. :clueless: I don't know what make a car officially a "Production" car. We know the Buggatti Chiron is close to $3,000,000 MSPR and they make them custom for every owner. They'll do pretty much anything you ask them. How many will they make? Maybe 2 or 3 hundred? :notsure: I would guess the definition of a "Production" car would be something along the lines of a mass produced identical model that is for sale to the general public. :huh: Not sure though.
Quote from: Moparman82 on April 27, 2017, 06:38:56 PM
I'm confused about the demon's claim for fastest production car ever, picked up a car mag today with the demon on the cover, talked about the 9.65 1/4 and being the fastest ever, in the same magazine, the he a article about the Bugatti Chiron, 1500hp AWD 9.4 in the 1/4. Same magazine as the demon, sand the Bugatti is a 2017 model currently on sale :notsure:
Production car meaning it was produced on the same assembly line as the rest of the Challengers. Bugatti's are a hand made car and very few are made. Most high end exotics and super cars are not true production cars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_cars_by_acceleration
they only made 450 Veyrons. the Chiron sold the first 200 units pre-production.
Yep off a production line and at a much lower cost to boot!
:handshake:
My (chevy) buddy just tried to hang the Hennessy Exorcist Camaro over me :rofl: hennessy CLAIMS sub 10 second 1/4 from the 1,000 HP Camaro, but more importantly, the Hennessy upgrades include engine upgrades, exorcist crate (like the demon crate), lightweight wheels etc, BEFORE the price of the ZL1 you have to buy, adds up to 80k!! Hennessy's version of the Demon Crate, but it costs like 8-9k! Haha sorry chevy boy, back of the line with ur $145k tuner car :burnout:
I had a friend tried that on me too 'there is a new Camaro with much higher HP coming out' ..... not by the factory there isn't. a 3rd party race car does not make it a Factory built race car and even with more power, it still is just a shadow of what the Demon is. anyone can slap together a strong engine these days and easily make 1000+HP, but it still would only be a wanna-be of what the Demon is.
Hennessy trying to get in on the rage. Don't blame them but it's stil not production ... as you say.
Also - and I make no claim of knowing or its validity, but on several other forums people were raging on them bad about ripping people off. Haters or asshats? No idea. The more I tried to research the more i found bitching. Whatever that's worth.
I miss the good ole days when Hennessy just built bad ass vipers. I remember when his 2001 viper Hennessy Venom 800 (830hp) ran 9.97 on slicks, still have that motor trend mag around here somewhere
Quote from: Moparman82 on April 28, 2017, 02:50:34 PM
I miss the good ole days when Hennessy just built bad ass vipers. I remember when his 2001 viper Hennessy Venom 800 (830hp) ran 9.97 on slicks, still have that motor trend mag around here somewhere
He also built fast Mitsubishi 3000GT's
http://hennesseyperformance.com/where-it-all-began-making-fast-cars-faster/
Thought some of you might be interested in this article.
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news/should-the-840-hp-dodge-challenger-demon-be-banned-from-public-roads/ar-BBAmL2U?li=AAggFp0&ocid=LENDHP
Quick call the whambulance. :rubeyes:
Guess it was just a matter of time before the complaining began. :bricks:
Looks like the Demon will be $86,093 with seats and crate. It does have more options too like an 18 speaker Harman Kardon sound system, leather front seats, and a $5,000 sunroof. With all options it is $97,273. Remember, along with the cash you still need to be lucky enough to snag one of the 3000 US or 300 CAN Demons.
http://www.allpar.com/news/2017/05/demon-priced-from-86093-with-crate-and-seats-37641 (http://www.allpar.com/news/2017/05/demon-priced-from-86093-with-crate-and-seats-37641)
Great price for what you they are giving you. A lot of people will be standing in line to buy one. :lookatthat:
So is this the ultimate Chall or will there be a even more radical Chall in approx 2 years as we hit the 50th anniversary :notsure: :rubeyes:
I'm pretty surprised at the pricing but then again you have to figure they put a good deal of thought into this to sell 3000 Demons.
If they priced it higher you may have some just sitting.
Price elasticity and all...
FOB, Gas guzzler tax and dealer markups on top of that. I think I get a used Viper instead.
There are 3000 Demons allocated to the U.S.
Do you think any dealership here will sell one for less than 20K above sticker price??
Quote from: MEK-Dangerous on May 25, 2017, 02:11:35 PM
There are 3000 Demons allocated to the U.S.
Do you think any dealership here will sell one for less than 20K above sticker price??
8) So mike,is won allocated to replace your fc7? lol :takemymoney:
You're probably right.... I would not think anything under $20 over MSRP will get you one. Real true out of pocket expense to own a Demon is most likely going to be over $100K for the first run.
I'm still saving up for a Hellcat, not sure how I'm going to afford a Demon now. :Thud:
Quote from: MEK-Dangerous on May 25, 2017, 02:11:35 PM
There are 3000 Demons allocated to the U.S.
Do you think any dealership here will sell one for less than 20K above sticker price??
From my understanding, all Demons have to be ordered. With that order is a persons name - which goes to the engravings.
I wonder how that will play in the MSRP+pack$? Buying car with someone else's name.
Or ... when you order .. the dealer says ... my price is MSRP +? After all, its suggested retail. All that anti-price fixing stuff!
My local dealer called me to let me know they will be doing demon orders at msrp, maybe it's just a Midwest thing, I remember my local dealer back in Cali getting 25k over for the first 08 chally they got
Yeah no doubt the demons will be expensive. Dealerships will try and pull as much money out of them as possible considering the limited run of them. I like them, but way to pricey for me. Best I can hope for is a hellcat in my distant future. Plus correct me if I'm wrong but do the sell the Demon in a manual? I realize the autos with paddle shifters are faster in the 1/4, but I'll be getting the manual 6 speed and I know the Hellcats have manuals.
Just talked to a local friend who was looking for a Demon in the SF Bay Area and got quoted 40k over MSRP.
Let the lame begin!
Had supper with friends tonight. His daughter knows someone who has ordered a Demon at three different dealers. $30k non-refundable deposit each!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMr4wAO_toQ&feature=player_embedded
That cool Dave!!!!
Here's the video:
Those glowing red pipes reminded me of my buddies startup of his Cuda with a blower. Was running a bit advanced but wow they glowed red and was impressive.
LOL, at 1500 rpm its putting out a little more HP than my /6, but 4x the torque. what a beast
I was at the Mopars in the Park show in Farmington, MN yesterday. Dodge had a booth set up and they had a blue Demon displayed. While it's hard to argue with its performance, I'm not sure I like the look.
The fender flares look odd. The hood looks really boring in person. The Hellcat hood is way more attractive. The new Challengers look great with the larger 20" wheels. The 18" wheels and the smaller ones you see on drag strip cars just look wrong to me. That being said, I actually kind of like the look of the Demon wheels.
http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/newsrelease.do?id=18375&mid=1
here how it is going to go down for the dealers.
Quote from: MoparDave on June 20, 2017, 11:03:09 AM
http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/newsrelease.do?id=18375&mid=1
here how it is going to go down for the dealers.
So Dave, with your clout can you pull some strings and get me serial number 0000001? :notsure:
its interesting that they have the balls to say below msrp. When we sell plenty of cars way below MRSP because of there broken sales programs.
I could rant plenty on the sales aspect of this about FCA and there sales programs, But in light of this we are expecting 2 to 4 based on what it states here.
Soooo. plus I believe we have a list of potential buyers already.
Quote from: 303 Mopar on June 20, 2017, 11:14:45 AM
Quote from: MoparDave on June 20, 2017, 11:03:09 AM
http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/newsrelease.do?id=18375&mid=1
here how it is going to go down for the dealers.
So Dave, with your clout can you pull some strings and get me serial number 0000001? :notsure:
:rofl: I believe that car has already been allocated, I'm sure with this in pre production plan already and with the mules on the roads . The list for #1 is long.
I think they should only be available in "Destroyer Grey" with a matt black hood and fenders :alan2cents:
Oh wait a minute....I'm living in the wrong era :drunk:
Wish I was in a position to be on a dealers Demon list. :( I really want one.
Quote from: MoparDave on June 20, 2017, 11:29:22 AM
its interesting that they have the balls to say below msrp. When we sell plenty of cars way below MRSP because of there broken sales programs.
I could rant plenty on the sales aspect of this about FCA and there sales programs, But in light of this we are expecting 2 to 4 based on what it states here.
Soooo. plus I believe we have a list of potential buyers already.
Quote from: anlauto on June 20, 2017, 11:40:41 AM
Oh wait a minute....I'm living in the wrong era :drunk:
300 are going to O' Canada..... :canada:
Quote from: 303 Mopar on June 20, 2017, 11:48:15 AM
Quote from: anlauto on June 20, 2017, 11:40:41 AM
Oh wait a minute....I'm living in the wrong era :drunk:
300 are going to O' Canada..... :canada:
:haha: :haha: :haha: You seem to forget they are ALL made in Canada, so actually "300" are not leaving.... :brainiac:
I believe so. We had 5 in line. An in FCA fashion some colors are not available. imagine that.
Quote from: MoparDave on June 21, 2017, 10:54:12 AM
An in FCA fashion some colors are not available. imagine that.
Maybe they ran out of red :haha:
I really wonder if one is going to show up at Carlisle...
There will be one there. It might not be a sold car though. Dodge is usually there with a large display. If Dodge brought a Demon to a show in Minnesota, they will surely be bringing one to Carlisle.
I know there will be one on display at the Mopar Mile High Nationals in July. There was also a Hellcat before there were any sold, same with the Jeep Trackhawk last year.
Quote from: ViperMan on June 21, 2017, 12:19:14 PM
I really wonder if one is going to show up at Carlisle...
I'm sure there will be.
2 years back the Hellcats weren't available yet to the public, but they had 2 of them there. :veryexcited:
mules will be most likely.
Apparently these are the terms a Demon buyer must agree to. No B5, Indigo Blue, Plum Crazy or F8 Green if you want your Demon now, otherwise you have to wait til 2018.
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"The 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon (the "Vehicle") is the automotive industries first and only purpose-built, street-legal production drag car."
The street legal verbiage is the angle...
A limited option for 1968 only, code L023, were the Hurst-reworked Hemi Darts, using the 426 Hemi engine. These special models were created strictly for drag racing, and included a non-warranty disclaimer. On February 20, 1968, corporate headquarters in Auburn Hills, Michigan, sent out a press release to Dodge dealerships across the country. It was a promotional pitch purposed at selling drag ready, Hemi powered Darts.
However...
"The cars were designed to meet street legal requirements, but due to the modifications, the cars came with disclaimers that they were not for street use, but rather "supervised acceleration trials", or drag racing."
Does this make it sound like the Demon will be a one and done? Or do they mean the first year is numbered and a "Single Model-Year"?
Dealers can start placing orders for the Demon on Wednesday, June 21. Production of the limited-edition, serialized, single model-year (3,000 United States/300 Canada) Challenger SRT Demon begins later this summer; deliveries to Dodge//SRT dealers to begin this fall.
I think this one will be a one and done limited to one year of production. hope I'm wrong because it means more for the market down the road, but I don't think so.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on June 23, 2017, 08:25:01 AM
Does this make it sound like the Demon will be a one and done? Or do they mean the first year is numbered and a "Single Model-Year"?
Dealers can start placing orders for the Demon on Wednesday, June 21. Production of the limited-edition, serialized, single model-year (3,000 United States/300 Canada) Challenger SRT Demon begins later this summer; deliveries to Dodge//SRT dealers to begin this fall.
My bet is one and done. This would be nothing new and to be honest, I believe they will try to top this car as well.
There seems to be a growing interest in hitting the 1000hp mark.
My hope is that they move onto another platform. I'd like to see a lighter challenger (or cuda!!) platform. They have been using the platform for about a decade, it's time to switch to another. Which I hear might not happen until 2020 or so.
Funny how they had to language in there for Commifornia. Cannot say I'm not surprised and I cannot wait to leave this freakin state.
So what are the colors available now - red and black only?
If this is a one and done that would be sad. So much hype and so little delivery. Heh kinda sounds like Microsoft!!!
At the 2017 Carlisle show.
every dealer I've talked to so far has sold out their allocation. one yesterday had an allocation of 4, all gone. another dealer got zero (the regional FCA rep said no one in that region got one). one guy I talked to yesterday said they can't even find one for a couple of their high end buyers (sports team owner + one NFL player). anyone that got in is lucky, the list is long and many will be missing out.
with the anticipation of this car being produced and the demand. you will see many of these cars being a quick flip so the owner can make a quick 10 or 20K. I have heard this from a few people that have these on order.
Also I would not be surprised to see the charger demon released in the spring.
Mike Musto from The House of Muscle just posted this as "best day at work ever"
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Looks like a combo of Demons and the 2018 hellcat widebody. The widebody comes with fatter meats all the way around, supposed to run 10.9 (vs 11.2 with the 275s) and lapped Chrysler's road course 1.7 seconds faster than the standard hellcat
Well we are almost into 2018 production now so in 2 years it will the 50th anniversary for the Challenger , I wonder what they might plan for that year !!
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on July 17, 2017, 07:59:34 PM
Well we are almost into 2018 production now so in 2 years it will the 50th anniversary for the Challenger , I wonder what they might plan for that year !!
Hmm. Over 800 horse. Now fender flares on all 4 corners for the meats. My vote is all wheel drive for traction.
Plain and simple for me is that Mopar should just make an exact as possible copy of the 1971 Plymouth 'Cuda with all of the modern technology in safety and performance "hidden". The Demon engine as top of the line power and call it the "Hell Cat-Fish"
Quote from: MoparJunkie on June 23, 2017, 04:51:56 PM
My hope is that they move onto another platform. I'd like to see a lighter challenger (or cuda!!) platform. They have been using the platform for about a decade, it's time to switch to another. Which I hear might not happen until 2020 or so.
While I do not disagree that something new would be nice, judging by how many 08-and-newer Challengers were at the Carlisle fairgrounds (I'd be willing to bet more than A, B, C, and E bodies COMBINED), it's going to be hard to convince FCA to "scrap it and start over."
Quote from: ViperMan on July 18, 2017, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: MoparJunkie on June 23, 2017, 04:51:56 PM
My hope is that they move onto another platform. I'd like to see a lighter challenger (or cuda!!) platform. They have been using the platform for about a decade, it's time to switch to another. Which I hear might not happen until 2020 or so.
While I do not disagree that something new would be nice, judging by how many 08-and-newer Challengers were at the Carlisle fairgrounds (I'd be willing to bet more than A, B, C, and E bodies COMBINED), it's going to be hard to convince FCA to "scrap it and start over."
Unfortunately, I think your right.
Hey, how many EBO members have Demons on order?
Quote from: HP_Cuda on July 18, 2017, 03:16:05 PM
Hey, how many EBO members have Demons on order?
Well, lets begin by canceling me out. :yes:
But...Let's say I have the money. I would order a Hellcat over the Demon just for practical purposes, if you can say that. The Hellcat sorta can be your daily driver until there is any kind of moisture on the road. I don't see the Demon being used the same way. This car was built to race. I just can't believe people have the cash to spend 85K+ on a car to use at the drag strip, but they live in a different world than I do.
Quote from: MEK-Dangerous on July 19, 2017, 02:27:11 PM
Quote from: HP_Cuda on July 18, 2017, 03:16:05 PM
Hey, how many EBO members have Demons on order?
Well, lets begin by canceling me out. :yes:
But...Let's say I have the money. I would order a Hellcat over the Demon just for practical purposes, if you can say that. The Hellcat sorta can be your daily driver until there is any kind of moisture on the road. I don't see the Demon being used the same way. This car was built to race. I just can't believe people have the cash to spend 85K+ on a car to use at the drag strip, but they live in a different world than I do.
What - not planning the Demon as your next Chally upgrade?!? :)
I think the Hellcat would be a fine daily driver - when it rains, just use the black key. Also, the car lets you select between 3 different horsepower settings in the center stack. I think it's 707, 385, and 2-something if I recall correctly.
Me, that's why I want a Jeep Trackhawk. :-) Then you could even tackle snow!
Kinda the reason I was asking to get feedback on the ride. The one thing that kinda kills it for me although I'd love to own one is that yes you buy it to run at the track. But in order to run at the track you would have to make some mods like adding a roll cage before they would let you run at any NHRA track.
I guess you could run it on the street and do grudge matches for $$$
:banana:
Quote from: MEK-Dangerous on July 19, 2017, 02:27:11 PM
Quote from: HP_Cuda on July 18, 2017, 03:16:05 PM
Hey, how many EBO members have Demons on order?
Well, lets begin by canceling me out. :yes:
But...Let's say I have the money. I would order a Hellcat over the Demon just for practical purposes, if you can say that. The Hellcat sorta can be your daily driver until there is any kind of moisture on the road. I don't see the Demon being used the same way. This car was built to race. I just can't believe people have the cash to spend 85K+ on a car to use at the drag strip, but they live in a different world than I do.
From what I've read they've banned ONLY that specific demon that dodge ran a 9.65 in. They did not ban all demons from the track. It took a pro driver over 500 passes on a perfect day to run that 9.65. It's going to take awhile for the average driver to cut into the 9s on a track, and as long as you stay in the 10s you don't have to cage your car. This has been the info I've found while reading about the demon. They also didn't cage it from the factory because of the amount of safety regulations they would have to redo, and the money it would cost for only a 3,000 production run. Plus a cage turns a street car (which it is just barely) into a track car once you cage it in my opinion.
I'm not sure I like the fender flares (which are added for more traction) but I might be okay with them if I see it in person. But the biggest reason I'm not to thrilled, it only comes in an auto. I'd rather shift threw the gears myself even if it costs me some time. So personally I'd rather have a used 6MT Hellcat just for the pure enjoyment of shifting the car myself.
Quote from: HP_Cuda on July 19, 2017, 08:22:09 PM
Kinda the reason I was asking to get feedback on the ride. The one thing that kinda kills it for me although I'd love to own one is that yes you buy it to run at the track. But in order to run at the track you would have to make some mods like adding a roll cage before they would let you run at any NHRA track.
I guess you could run it on the street and do grudge matches for $$$
:banana:
Quote from: MEK-Dangerous on July 19, 2017, 02:27:11 PM
Quote from: HP_Cuda on July 18, 2017, 03:16:05 PM
Hey, how many EBO members have Demons on order?
Well, lets begin by canceling me out. :yes:
But...Let's say I have the money. I would order a Hellcat over the Demon just for practical purposes, if you can say that. The Hellcat sorta can be your daily driver until there is any kind of moisture on the road. I don't see the Demon being used the same way. This car was built to race. I just can't believe people have the cash to spend 85K+ on a car to use at the drag strip, but they live in a different world than I do.
to add to that, the 9.65 was on 100 octane race gas. keep it at standard 93 octane and it should keep it in the 10s
Quote from: ec_co on July 19, 2017, 10:20:38 PM
to add to that, the 9.65 was on 100 octane race gas. keep it at standard 93 octane and it should keep it in the 10s
And to add to that even further you can do things like keep the front runners the standard tire and not skinnys, you can also opt for the passenger seat, rear seat and radio for extra weight as well to help keep you in the 10s. Again the average driver won't be running 9s anytime soon, you need a driver mod for that lol. I believe the same pro driver was able to get it to run 9.90s on 93 octane, so you could still cut a 9 sec pass but you would have to be driving it like you stole it!
Quote from: MoparJunkie on July 19, 2017, 10:00:17 PM
I'm not sure I like the fender flares...
I really don't like them either, though we can probably both admit that, while sitting inside with tunnel vision as we accelerate at over 1G of force, we ain't really gonna care about any fender flares... :)
I really love it when folks want to disagree just to disagree.
At my local NHRA track anything quicker than 10.99 needs a roll cage period.
Besides why spend 85k plus to stay in the 10's - that's just ludicrous.
Quote from: HP_Cuda on July 20, 2017, 11:45:59 AM
I really love it when folks want to disagree just to disagree.
At my local NHRA track anything quicker than 10.99 needs a roll cage period.
Besides why spend 85k plus to stay in the 10's - that's just ludicrous.
The people that buy demons aren't going to be your average buyer who finances a car they want. Most demon owners will likely just drop the cash and pay the car off in full. So money isn't going to be a big deal to people who just want a turn key 9/10 sec car. Plus a lot of demons will likely just be collectors cars due to the limited run (unless FCA decides to make more).
I keep reading different things anywhere from 11.49 and faster needs a cage, to newer cars like Hellcats can get away with running 10s w/o cage because of their newer safety equipment or the fact that if you can run those numbers stockish (Drag radials count) then its okay. It's when you mod the car (like switching to slicks) is when the rules might change. But it appears not all tracks have the same exact rules. I think you run 11.49 or faster and at my local track and they kick you for no cage. I'd love for it to be 10.99 lol. it's been a long time since I've been to my local track so who knows the rules may have changed.
There is a difference between roll bar and roll cage. And the 11.49 rule has exceptions.
2017 Rules NHRA
Section 4A
ROll BAR
Roll bar mandatory in all cars (including T-tops) running 11.00 (*7.00) to 11.49 (*7.35), in convertibles running 11.00 (*7.00) to 13.49 (*8.25), and in all dune-buggy-type vehicles running 12.00 (*7.50) seconds and slower. Permitted in all cars. See General Regulations 4:10, 10:6.
ROll CAGE
A roll cage is mandatory in cars running 10.99 (*6.99) or quicker or any car exceeding 135 mph.
In full-bodied cars, with unaltered firewall, floor, and body (from firewall rearward, wheel tubs permitted), running between 10.00 (*6.40) and 10.99 (*6.99), roll bar permitted in place of roll cage.
In convertibles running 10.99 or quicker or exceeding 135 mph, roll cage mandatory. See General Regulations 4:4, 4:11, 10:6.
ROll-cAGE pADDING
Roll-cage padding meeting SFI Spec 45.1 mandatory on any vehicle running 9.99 (*6.39) and quicker. Padding must be used anywhere driver's helmet may come in contact with roll-cage components. See General Regulations 4:11, 10:6.
Section 20, 4:10 and 4:11 discuss in details the specifics of a roll bar and roll cage respectively, and their requirements. Too long to paste in. Roll bar is minimum 5 point. Cages vary on interior, firewall designs, etc. Roll bars don't require certification. Roll cages do for 8.5-10 sec (or 135 mph+). <8.5 seconds and that's yet again different category requiring funny car cage, etc
**Under NHRA DRAGS: STREET LEGAL STYLE comes the late model rules:
This category is reserved for foreign and domestic production-type automobiles and trucks. All vehicles must be street driven and carry proof of vehicle registration and valid insurance. Vehicles must also display valid license plates. Vehicles running in the Street Legal category must be able to pass all state highway safety requirements for the state in which the vehicle is registered.
Additionally, requirements and specifications for Street Legal are the same as those for the Summit Racing Series with the following exception. Unaltered 2008 OEM model-year and newer production cars running slower than 9.99 and 135 mph do not have to meet the requirements and specifications for the Summit Racing Series except for the following: Convertibles and T-tops must meet Summit Racing Series roll-bar and roll-cage requirements. Note: Tires used may be other than OEM, but they must be DOT- approved. Other changes/modifications to items such as but not limited to intake air systems, exhaust systems, computer programming from the factory OEM equipment are considered "alterations." As such, 2008 and newer vehicles with changes/modifications must meet the Summit Racing Series rules. All drivers must meet the Summit Racing Series helmet and protective-clothing requirements.
At Street Legal events, only legitimate street-legal machines are permitted to participate. Though competition structure varies from track to track, emphasis is placed on fun. A common Street Legal venue will feature time trials and grudge racing only, which ensures each participant the opportunity for a maximum number of passes down the dragstrip. Grudge racing permits participants to choose their competition rather than participate in an organized eliminator. And, once eliminated, a participant may return to the staging lanes for more time trials or grudge runs. Being eliminated at a Street Legal event does not necessarily mean it's time to go home.**
It's suppose to help take racing off the street - that's what they say is the intention. So, technically, you can run your 2008+ whatever .... as long as it isn't tuned, blown, or altered. If it's altered in any way for performance, essentially, then your in the bucket with the rest.
And - in the end, it's up to who enforces what at each track. Some are more stringent - calling for things like engine diapers for cars slower than 10.0 sec up to 11 or even 11.5 (rules says 10 or quicker).
Belts and restraint systems are a whole other thing. And roll bar padding, and fire retardant wear.
the rule book is interesting. 10$. And can learn a lot from it in general besides rules.
I can say this - if I'm doing a buck 35+ hauling arse in 1320 feet - I want some steel around me besides a door. And a proper 5 point harness. A few weeks ago someone running a "street" 10 second car got ejected and killed. I know of several incidents over the years of people dying hitting the wall (not rolling ) at less than 90 mph.
And don't forget. There's another 3-4 thousand pound hammer next to you.
Awesome commercial!
I would REALLY love to know how they pulled that off in Pittsburgh, and how pissed off Pittsburghians had to have been when Pennzoil shut down half the freakin' city, including one of the bridges AND tunnels... :)
That city was a pain in the A$$ to drive through when all the roads were open!!! :))
Quote from: ViperMan on August 16, 2017, 12:52:27 PM
I would REALLY love to know how they pulled that off in Pittsburgh, and how pissed off Pittsburghians had to have been when Pennzoil shut down half the freakin' city, including one of the bridges AND tunnels... :)
That city was a pain in the A$$ to drive through when all the roads were open!!! :))
Here is the "behind the scenes" including drivers being turned around at a road block.
Yeah, my hometown!
Even got the Kaufman's clock in there.
Been using Pennzoil exclusivly for almost 40 years in my vehicles.
Except Brad Penn in the 440.
Thanks foŕ uploading.
Quote from: ViperMan on August 16, 2017, 12:52:27 PM
I would REALLY love to know how they pulled that off in Pittsburgh, and how pissed off Pittsburghians had to have been when Pennzoil shut down half the freakin' city, including one of the bridges AND tunnels... :)
That city was a pain in the A$$ to drive through when all the roads were open!!! :))
Come on man. The term is Pittsburgher's not Pittsburghians. :yes:
Apparently the first 840bhp Dodge Demon fresh off the FCA Brampton Assembly's final line.
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in beautiful B5 of all colors. I know I read in a couple places that B5 wasn't supposed to be available until Q1 hmmm
Little Hotty Blonde in front is just dying to go for a ride by that grin on her face.
This is history. What a great car and so proud that Doge made it happen. :unitedstates:
Quote from: 303 Mopar on September 11, 2017, 07:06:01 PM
Apparently the first 840bhp Dodge Demon fresh off the FCA Brampton Assembly's final line.
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Quote from: Cuda Cody on September 18, 2017, 07:50:28 PM
This is history. What a great car and so proud that Doge made it happen. :unitedstates:
:canada: lol :burnout:
:haha: Oh yah, the Demon is built in Canada eh.
Friend of mine with an R code 1970 Cuda ordered a Demon and received emails at various stages of production. Last week he received one that his Demon was completed and ready to ship. Pretty cool that they are doing this for the new owners. :ohyeah:
Go ahead and order yours Dan, I'll take the Cuda off your hands when your demon is done
Quote from: 303 Mopar on September 19, 2017, 12:16:07 PM
Friend of mine with an R code 1970 Cuda ordered a Demon and received emails at various stages of production. Last week he received one that his Demon was completed and ready to ship. Pretty cool that they are doing this for the new owners. :ohyeah:
NICE!! he should have a delivery party, I'd gladly attend! I'm working right behind Gerald's shop now ;)
According to another owner, the Demons are being delivered via Reliable enclosed transport. Here is a video of the carrier burning:
Wow, what a sad tragedy. :crying:
Hope the carrier has extra good insurance; that was an expensive fire!
That will buff out no problem.
Kinda funny it happened with un-reliable.
Named the demon, built on Friday the 13th and burned down on Halloween....
Quote from: dave73chally on November 02, 2017, 10:32:05 AM
Named the demon, built on Friday the 13th and burned down on Halloween....
I'm glad I'm not the only one that connected those dots. Pretty odd!
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Those were my thoughts as well..... spooky.... :unbelievable:
Quote from: GoodysGotaCuda on November 02, 2017, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: dave73chally on November 02, 2017, 10:32:05 AM
Named the demon, built on Friday the 13th and burned down on Halloween....
I'm glad I'm not the only one that connected those dots. Pretty odd!
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Dam. Those pictures made my eye watery. :sorry: Does not look like much can be salvaged.
Here's the text from the link...
"I just got a call from Tim Kuniskis, and it was not to tell me how great my red Demon looked. My car #221 is one of the two redline cars in the pictures. Burnt to a crisp!! Totally destroyed!!! My Demon was built on Friday the 13th and burnt up on Halloween. He called to let me know the 3 cars that went up in flames are going to be quickly rebuilt. He also informed me that the once a VIN number is created it cannot be duplicated again. The good news is the cars that burnt are all getting lower VIP numbers. My new number is #102. I actually think this turned out to be a great story! I was shaking when I got off the phone with him but I am really excited about the story I can tell with my demon. Tim also wanted me to let everyone know the fire was caused by the car transporter not the cars. He assured me there are no problems with the demons fuel system and asked if I would pass that info on."
Latest Demon commercial shows the prep for shipping....
Wish I was pone of the people that was lucky enough to get one of those. Love that car!!!! :burnout: :takemymoney:
:iagree:
They sure " hit me where I live" ...... :pullinghair: I'd sooooo love one!
Is that a "Reliable" carrier they drive it into at the end ? :o
:o Don`t you mean UnReliable..... :rofl:
The possibility of a Dodge Demon with the last 3 of the Vin...666
Would you buy it?
Do they really paint them by hand? I kind of figured that all new cars were painted by some robot in a booth or something...
Quote from: Topcat on November 26, 2017, 05:16:03 PM
The possibility of a Dodge Demon with the last 3 of the Vin...666
Would you buy it?
Who wouldn't??
Quote from: Topcat on November 26, 2017, 05:16:03 PM
The possibility of a Dodge Demon with the last 3 of the Vin...666
Would you buy it?
I might actually look for it if I had the funds !!
Quote from: Topcat on November 26, 2017, 05:16:03 PM
The possibility of a Dodge Demon with the last 3 of the Vin...666
Would you buy it?
If mine was one of the 3 that burnt up I'd request this from Chrysler and see if it's possible for the replacement. :yes:
Quote from: Brads70 on November 30, 2017, 09:19:55 AM
Quote from: Topcat on November 26, 2017, 05:16:03 PM
The possibility of a Dodge Demon with the last 3 of the Vin...666
Would you buy it?
If mine was one of the 3 that burnt up I'd request this from Chrysler and see if it's possible for the replacement. :yes:
I guess the best reply that nobody picked and said..."Hell Yeah!"
Quick video of "the first" Demon on a dyno.
"Our shop Demon puts down an impressive 724 RWHP on pump gas! From the factory the Demon is rated at 808 crank HP on pump gas, meaning the driveline loss is roughly 10% , or the car is underrated from the factory. Stay tuned for the race gas PCM dyno pull in a few weeks and keep us in mind for all of your HEMI performance parts needs."
Super bad ass
How fun would this be! :banana:
Oh - sign me up!!!! :yes:
You are not kidding it would be fun. :stayinlane:
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 12, 2018, 07:51:24 AM
How fun would this be! :banana:
I just looked it up and man you have to have some serious money to burn. The hellcat driving experience they offer is $1600 for 1 day, $2800 for 2 days, $4200 for 3 days.
Quote from: dave73chally on January 12, 2018, 09:28:47 AM
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 12, 2018, 07:51:24 AM
How fun would this be! :banana:
I just looked it up and man you have to have some serious money to burn. The hellcat driving experience they offer is $1600 for 1 day, $2800 for 2 days, $4200 for 3 days.
But its free if you bought a Demon! https://bondurant.com/dodge-srt-bondurant-add-new-drag-racing-course/
Quote from: Cudagirl3406 on January 14, 2018, 12:50:35 PM
Quote from: Cudakiller70 on January 13, 2018, 01:03:33 PM
Quote from: Cudagirl3406 on January 12, 2018, 08:18:00 AM
Oh - sign me up!!!! :yes:
You are not kidding it would be fun. :stayinlane:
@Cudagirl3406 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cudagirl3406_869) Is the car in your signature yours? If so what color is it? FY4?
Hi @Cudakiller70 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cudakiller70_28) yes, the AAR in my signature is my car. The color is FF4 Lime Green Metallic.
Thanks
@Cudagirl3406 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cudagirl3406_869) for the info! Looks sharp! I've seen your car from googling around, didn't know it was yours, then stumbled on it here in this thread. Couldn't find or figure out the color.
I'm thinking of doing a FY4 AAR themed cuda. Still not sure, we'll see.
It won't be long now..... :bricks:
Quote from: 303 Mopar on January 17, 2018, 06:43:07 AM
It won't be long now..... :bricks:
Your waiting for a wreck to snag the drivetrain out of! :yes: :D
Quote from: Brads70 on January 17, 2018, 02:53:12 PM
Your waiting for a wreck to snag the drivetrain out of! :yes: :D
Want to fly in and help install it? :banana:
I will be there !!
That would be fun! :bradsthumb:
And what would they want for the drive train after they wrecked a 90k car?
Probably a mint.
This guy is pretty funny.....
This was closer than I thought....
Gotta love it when the demon gets tree'd but pulls him in the end!!!
:yes:
He didn't , the win light is on the side of the drag pack , the Demon ran faster but lost at the start tree :stayinlane:
If he wasn't asleep at the light he would have kicked his butt.
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on March 01, 2018, 06:29:45 PM
He didn't , the win light is on the side of the drag pack , the Demon ran faster but lost at the start tree :stayinlane:
Agreed , the Demon was quicker through the 1/4 with higher MPH & should have won easily !
As the saying goes , You snooze you loose !
I have sent many people home with .505 reaction times on the tree by myself , .500 being perfect & .499 red light light :burnout:
Interesting color breakdown, and including 15 vins that were cancelled. I know of the 5 burned vehicles but not the others.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180531/67fd73b8c1e0e1724c970a194d437564.jpg)
Last Demon rolled off the line. It will be sold at BJ Northeast with the last Viper as a pair with proceeds going to the United Way.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/last-dodge-demon-viper-barrett-jackson-charity-auction/
Go to 7:18 and pass up all the pre BS.
Not sure I'd pay that price tag and not be able to get a third pedal in it.
They just keep getting faster! :banana: