I haven't posted much on my car and the engine rebuild because life have just gotten in the way. It's been a long time...... :-X but I thought I would post a few pics of the build. There have been several setbacks with this block and having moved not being in the area of the shop anymore it is very tough for me . Bottom line is it looks like , at this point (fingers, toes, and anything else that can be is crossed) we can finally start assembly and can see a pin hole of light at the end of the tunnel. I am hoping by April I can go pick up the car and finish (not holding my breath but...)the final items to get it back on the road.
That is a serious Block :bigthumb:
What is that engine, Mopar Thunder? Looks from the pics to be a beefy small block with 4-bolt mains???
Looks really good, and I hope things move forward as best as possible!
Looks beautiful. :banana:
Beefy!!! :burnout:
Now that's a real MUSCLE Block!
Glad it is finally moving forward.
:wrenching: :woohoo:
Exciting times ahead! :banana:
Thanks everyone.
73_Cuda_4_Me: the block is a 340 based block manufactured by Kent Ritter. I went to his shop and discussed at length this block. It is a very beefy block. From everyone that has seen it or knows about it has said it is pretty much bullet proof when it comes to normal issues. The block came real raw though. Every time I thought we had it set something else would come up, we would have to re-align something, bore something, etc. and then it would have to be washed again.
After all the issues that we came across with this block it seems to have worked out. A lot of patience has gone into this. I was at my wits end more than enough times.... :steamingmad: The short block should be completed by the end of the month. But the shop I have used in the past informed me that they are partnering with someone else, moving their shop and equipment to another location, a larger building so they can offer a line of full services .... yes you guessed it, this all happens in February. So will it be delayed again.... probably but if the shops turns out the way I was told the car won't have to go to several places for tuning or dyno. I wish I could afford an EFI system for it. But that is not in the budget since there wee so many unexpected issues.
:twothumbsup:
The first thing I noticed was the lifter valley webs and drain hole cleanliness... and how beefy and clean all the casting walls are... Looked like a hemi elephant block till I saw the small block dizzy mounting hole in the back!
Looks like it will be a powerhouse!
Thanks for sharing, and welcome!
Sorry you have to go through more delays, and hope it smooths out soon!
I'm all over this. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Veddy interesting! Keep us up to date. How big is thing going to be? What heads?
Following this build , I have been interested in the Ritter block :bigthumb:
Sorry it has been so difficult to build , I bet it will be worth it when done tho !!
You will need something to do down the road so plan for the EFI as you put this together :twothumbsup:
I think your right Chryco..... it will be worth it just frustrating. This is somewhat of a "trying to build with a budget" project since I did all of this 2 years ago and spent a good amount then. I am trying to use as much of the new-old parts from the other engine. The heads are port and worked Indy 360-2 Aluminum 18 degree heads. And yes, I bought a 4150 CSU Blow Thru 950 carb for the last build and am seriously looking into changing it over to EFI but..... it is a big cost for this application. I got a run down sheet from Holley for what I would need for the HP I should be making. It came out to $3700 with an options list of another $1700. Soooooo we might have to wait on that. What I see is modification = $$$ and I have run into plenty of modifications for this build. Here are a few updated pics. The last mod came in last week as the oil pump shaft wouldn't fit so it had to be sent to the machine shop for milling and blueprinted. All complete now and short block going together.
I love engine art.
ugh!! :pullinghair: Having a small issue with the Canton low profile oil pan and the oil return on this block. Waiting for pics to be sent. I like my other pick up system, not thrilled with this one.
Hmmm I don't recall seeing an oil pump crank scraper before LOL
OK, it's moving forward....slowly. Cam wasn't cut properly so it was to tight of a fit so had to have it sent out. Got it back and it is installed. Now the heads and valve train are next. Fingers crossed it keeps moving in a positive direction.
Quote from: mopar thunder on January 28, 2018, 09:20:03 AM
. I got a run down sheet from Holley for what I would need for the HP I should be making. It came out to $3700 with an options list of another $1700. Soooooo we might have to wait on that.
Just curious. What system did they spec out - Holly?
For a FAST XFI Sportsman or even their 2.0 (both multi-port ... not TBI) ($1500/$1700) with considering you still need a harness (400$ at most) , throttle body (400$ ish. Can find them less ) cam or crank sensor ( $50 at most), modify distributor (you could do that yourself), injectors (quality 60lb run $400), and I'm assuming you already have a coil (60$ blaster2) and MSD box ($270 for 6AL) .
That's $3k at high end. $3350 if need coil and box. And 3700$ if you don't want to hack up your distributor. Maybe 400$ more at high end to have shop weld in the FI bungs on the intake.
Shopping around and using a local tuner/FAST dealer you could certainly do better. For the FAST 2.0 XFI fully tunable (multiport) set up. Can't beat it
I know 3000-4000$ is nothing to sneeze at. But if someone is looking at FI ... your in for over $2k to begin. Go all the way and do it right. The TBI stuff is ok. Not knocking it. But it's still an electric carb. If you really want the advantages of FI, you gotta go MP.
My wife has the XFI Sportsman on her '57 Bel Aire. We've got the 2.0 on our Barracuda strip/street. It's heaven.
Good luck with rest of the build! Very interested in that block. Down the road ... thinking of 340 twin turbo build for another Mopar.
Marc70challenger - I (unfortunately) have gone thru this once already prior to this build. And I mean like 5 months prior to the start of this one. It turned out the first block was over bored and no good for my application. I'm running a Pro Charger F1R so I have a CSU Blow Thru with an MSD Distributor and a Digital 7 Plus box for programming. I would love to go FI but $$$$. I got a quote from Holley and it was $3700 for the basic system for my power level and then $1700 in upgrades. After dropping enough on the first build I was funneled to use the same system. I looked into a twin turbo system but didn't want to have to cut the middle support up front to fit the system. Maybe next one.
How long are those rods?
Quote from: mopar thunder on March 04, 2018, 06:19:29 PM
Marc70challenger - I (unfortunately) have gone thru this once already prior to this build. And I mean like 5 months prior to the start of this one. It turned out the first block was over bored and no good for my application. I'm running a Pro Charger F1R so I have a CSU Blow Thru with an MSD Distributor and a Digital 7 Plus box for programming. I would love to go FI but $$$$. I got a quote from Holley and it was $3700 for the basic system for my power level and then $1700 in upgrades. After dropping enough on the first build I was funneled to use the same system. I looked into a twin turbo system but didn't want to have to cut the middle support up front to fit the system. Maybe next one.
Ah. Totally understand. Can't wait to see this when your done! Gonna be awesome. :twothumbsup:
RUNCHARGER - they are Callies Ultra I beam rods 6.250
Nice! This is a great build.
:iagree:
Killer engine !
you should be able to piece together a good multiport EFI system for around $4500
Chryco - I definitely will be doing that next. The CSU worked great for the few times I had it out but I do want to go FI..... That's next.
Next update....... cam in and degreed. Unfortunately the cam plate doesn't work so had to order another one. Heads are going on this week.
Great: That's a big step.
Update: The heads didn't get on last week but the oil pan and its issue were completed and installed along with the timing cover. Has anyone seen a cover like this before?
Nope: Boy I don't think any lifter bores will crack out of that cam tunnel ever.
That sure is one beast of a block! :bravo: I assume that timing cover is for an electric water pump?
Quote from: Brads70 on March 19, 2018, 02:23:13 PM
That sure is one beast of a block! :bravo: I assume that timing cover is for an electric water pump?
I asked the same thing when I saw it because I thought for sure I was going to have to go buy one now but I was told both will fit.
Found out the end of last week that the timing cover isn't as deep as the one on the engine before so now they have to make a spacer. The impeller blades hit. So I am also anticipating belt pulley issues down the road. Heads are still not on.
That is really poor planning , I wonder what pump they thought you should use on there ?
Dang: I hate it when the simple things don't work out easily.
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on March 26, 2018, 05:25:59 AM
That is really poor planning , I wonder what pump they thought you should use on there ?
I'm not sure what the thinking was. Unless as Brad said maybe that cover was specially built for an electric pump. I am looking into that now. The block is designed for racing and to use it for street applications to takes a little modifying. I'm trying to contact Kent Ritter today to discuss it.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 26, 2018, 08:12:53 AM
Dang: I hate it when the simple things don't work out easily.
I agree, you work on making the difficult things all work together then you run across a simple thing that will give you a headache. The goal was to have the heads on the engine by February..... well it is now almost April. :crying:
It will be worth it though. That is an artful piece.
is there enough thickness to mill the cover of the impellor to fit ?
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on March 26, 2018, 01:15:19 PM
is there enough thickness to mill the cover of the impellor to fit ?
That was my first thought as well? :popcorn:
:popcorn: Killer build. Curious to see the outcome of the timing cover issue.
Well, it looks like I am going to go with an electric water pump. I think if I fab the mechanical one I will run into more fabrication issues down the road, belt pulley line up, twice the area to seal if I go with a spacer, etc. An electrical one will bolt right on, there will be no pulley issues and I will free up a tiny bit of HP. Mezeire seems to be one of the better ones so I am looking at them. Does anyone know the exact diameter of the lower radiator hose for a small block? I'm guessing 1 1/2 or 1 3/4 inch. I just want this build to move forward w/o any more delays.
I really wanted to build a killer block 340. I had looked at the MP R3 block. Everywhere I looked it pointed to lots of machine work and one off specialty parts. I just didn't want to try and slay that dragon. If I was a machinist or trusted a local one. Maybe. But neither apply for me. But I do admire people like you that take on the challenge. :twothumbsup:
I would use Mezeire , you will not gain any HP , you will lose at the alternator what you gain at the water pump
the Mezeire should have different adapters so I would just match the size of the lower rad inlet diameter
Well I ordered a Mezeire and it came in damaged... :steamingmad: It was a polished unit and the bolts were not in a bag and they left thread marks all over the unit. :huh: I had to send it back and they are sending a new one. Should be in Wednesday. I am still keeping my fingers crossed that after this it will continue w/o a hitch. Really not much more after this except bolting on items and setting clearances. Then off to the dyno. Unfortunately the shop I am using (for install) have negotiated a challenge with Memphis Street Outlaws (J.J. Da Boss) and are heading down for filming April 27. Which is OK because the engine isn't complete yet but then there is a huge car cruise in Ocean City MD in Mid May so they will be swamped with cars going to that. So I am guessing my car won't be ready until sometime in June.
Does it have proper clearance at least ? :thinking:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 11, 2018, 09:15:02 PM
Does it have proper clearance at least ? :thinking:
Yes, the clearance is good. So that is fixed. HOWEVER....... we had to modify the cam step washer (not a great pic). Not a big deal but it's always something. It doesn't help either when you order parts and they come in semi complete. Ordered the lifters and 3 pair were wrong..... I think I'll have a drink or two this weekend.
Funny, I looked back at the first post in this thread and I was hoping to pick it up in April......... that's not happening. Now my guess is June/July??????? Not that I am happy about it but it could work out to where I can go to the shore when it is complete.
Huge learning curve , should be worth it when you get through all of the hurdles :cooldance:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 18, 2018, 06:08:41 AM
Huge learning curve , should be worth it when you get through all of the hurdles :cooldance:
Yes, you are correct. I think it will be also. It is one monster of a block and I'm going with good components so I have high hopes. Murphys law has been all over this one... :looney:
New ground takes a bit of time to break all right.
OK, opinion time. I thought I would just see what the preference is out there. I know it is hard to see exactly what the engine looks like with all the components actually in the engine bay but which, if you were going to do it, color coating would you use for this scenario? Black or smoked gray? Or would you keep it natural? Neither one is my engine just an option out there. Now take into consideration I have polished valve covers, a polished carb hat, polished brackets for the Pro Charger and a polished head unit, but I also have a few little black items around the engine bay also. If I did go for a coating I am leaning towards the smoked gray.
Your block is black so I would go with black.
:iagree:, match the color of your heads
Not sure if I should keep the block black or not. I know the Chrysler small block should be blue but I don't think that would work in the In-Violet engine bay and this is far from stock or original.
I cannot help you with that choice , Chrysler used black for a long time & it will run cooler , but it is hard to see any leaks :alan2cents:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 25, 2018, 09:52:08 PM
I cannot help you with that choice , Chrysler used black for a long time & it will run cooler , but it is hard to see any leaks :alan2cents:
Good point about the leaks. But after comparing, viewing other engines, etc. I am going to stay with black and get the intake done to match (as close as possible) the heads and other components. Guess my project is at a stand still this week. The guys left yesterday to go down to Memphis. Apparently they are filming Friday night and were invited to watch a second taping of a bunch from New York on Saturday night. So after that, the long drive back, I'm guessing maybe mid next week it will be picked up. :fingerscrossed:
OK.... the learning curve continues.... after putting the short block together we found out that this block, although it is a monster and will be hard to break, comes very raw. I matched up the head gasket to the block and noticed metal under some water ports. Well after calling Kent Ritter he says he makes it that way so people have choices. Ok I get that but I suggested to him that he put together a sheet with some suggestions for builders when they purchase. Just a minor thing but it is another stumbling block. Have to drill out the holes on either side of the center bolt and one up top. :banana: having more fun. But seem to be 1-2 steps away from just bolting the rest on.
Yes, that sounds pretty close. I remember having to get the drivers side oil galley drilled on an MP Hemi block, there is always something.
Me no Alan , Alan Other guy :rolleyes:
Neil / CP
oh darn, sorry Chryco..... :sorry: I was sending this when I was also on the phone with a friend Alan. My apologies.....
:cooldance:
Canadians all look alike.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on May 14, 2018, 08:23:27 AM
Canadians all look alike.
:iagree: :canada: :rofl: :haha:
I have an answer to Chryco's inquiry; the issue we have is not enough holes. The holes you are referring to are block off on this block and my builder doesn't plan to open them up. The issue we have is the center of the block has no water holes to help cool the center two exhaust ports. So we need to open something up to help keep those cool. Ritter said he doesn't manufacture his blocks like that. He leaves them raw so people can make their own applications. The other problem is the short block is together already. We're working on this one.
Makes good sense , I did not know where the holes were missing & was just warning you to think this through before modifying the block . :twothumbsup:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 15, 2018, 06:28:38 PM
Makes good sense , I did not know where the holes were missing & was just warning you to think this through before modifying the block . :twothumbsup:
I very much appreciate the input. Since this is a problem child I'll take any advice to help get this completed. I don't think the holes need to be big so this shouldn't be a big issue. Here is a pick of the tool that will be used. a magnetic drill press I think he said.
very cool :bigthumb:
OK.... update.... there is progress :woohoo:. The intake is back, looks great IMO, the coolant holes are drilled, and it was discovered that this block doesn't have as deep thread holes as the Keith Black so modification to the bolts is needed, not much but a little. But we are moving forward.
I have worked on projects like this where everything , I mean every little thing is a battle :bricks:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 21, 2018, 07:28:06 AM
I have worked on projects like this where everything , I mean every little thing is a battle :bricks:
It sure seems like this is one of them. :looney: But there seems to be a little light at the end of the tunnel now.
Is that 48 with the roller bearing cam.
I ordered the 48 by mistake my 59 Siamese is supposed to be ready this week after 5 months of waiting.
What rods did you use i was going 4.125 Molnar ,2.1 rods scat 6.250 long with diamond pistons .
Using Victor SB heads see the Reply below heads are drilled wrong on the inner bolts they are drilled for a hemi setup
See the pic for some engine art this i the new Noonans Hemi block full CNC
Brian and Dave ,
I spoke to people at the PRI show in Indianapolis last month about the need to change the head to be able to use either a stud or a bolt for the inner 4 locations ( the ones in the lifter valley on the block ) , and all agreed that the change needed to be made and could readily be made .
Please keep me informed about the end result of this , as I have a number of block customers interested in using the Edelbrock heads in question . Please do not hesitate to contact me if more explanation or information is required .
Regards ,
Kent Ritter
Here is a pic of the Clear View Filtration oil system that is going on the build. These are pretty cool.
I noticed a few cars at Drag Week with those filters installed. :bradsthumb:
Really cool piece, easy to take a look and clean if needed. No more messing with conventional filters. Gives me a way to watch and have some piece of mind.
I know this is a slow process for me but it is moving forward..... somewhat. Got the bottom end all buttoned up, water pump on, balancer on, thought the heads would be on but..... found that the guidance given on the rocker arms/angle of push rod wasn't so good. The off set rocker didn't line up so sending them back. Might have to grind just a little on he passage in the head. once the heads are good then it is only the valve covers, the intake and carb. The engine will be spun to check for leaks, etc then header clearance, new drivers side header pipe, and in the car it goes..... fingers crossed.
T&D Rockers ?
Might be better to keep the rockers & massage 8 pushrod holes :notsure:
Ah, another small setback. What are you hoping for on the Dyno?
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on June 18, 2018, 07:09:15 AM
T&D Rockers ?
Might be better to keep the rockers & massage 8 pushrod holes :notsure:
New rockers and minimal massaging or keep rockers and more massaging....... decisions... decisions. Yes, T&D rockers, good call.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on June 18, 2018, 07:51:08 AM
Ah, another small setback. What are you hoping for on the Dyno?
I am hoping to have the same as I did before around 1,000. I would hate to go backwards after all this but it will be what it is. A lot of modifications so not sure what all that will add up to.
Nice! Well you certainly have the parts to support that.
I can believe 1000+ , Cannot wait to see/ hear it run & get the results from this build up ! :cooldance:
You and me both.... :woohoo:
Quote from: mopar thunder on June 19, 2018, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on June 18, 2018, 07:51:08 AM
What are you hoping for on the Dyno?
I am hoping to have the same as I did before around 1,000.
nice! :drooling:
I saw on Facebook a couple days ago where Dart is going to start making LA blocks. Somebody is going to have to make one that has all that crazy machining out of the way before I ever venture that direction. I admire your determination battling through all the pitfalls getting that motor together. Hell of a job! :bradsthumb:
Quote from: Shane Kelley on June 20, 2018, 05:30:19 AM
Quote from: mopar thunder on June 19, 2018, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on June 18, 2018, 07:51:08 AM
What are you hoping for on the Dyno?
I am hoping to have the same as I did before around 1,000.
nice! :drooling:
I saw on Facebook a couple days ago where Dart is going to start making LA blocks. Somebody is going to have to make one that has all that crazy machining out of the way before I ever venture that direction. I admire your determination battling through all the pitfalls getting that motor together. Hell of a job! :bradsthumb:
Thanks, it has been a long ride but I feel pretty good about everything. You never know though in the end. :fingerscrossed: Once I exchange things and get them back it shouldn't be long after that for the final pieces. Then we can spin it for leaks and if all is good then off to the dyno.
I saw a similar build reportedly making 1680 hp :rubeyes:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on June 20, 2018, 06:43:25 AM
I saw a similar build reportedly making 1680 hp :rubeyes:
Whoa, that's up there. On one hand it would be nice but on the other...... :bigmoney: I just want to get back in and drive.
I reread the post it is a twin Turbo R3 w8
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on June 22, 2018, 04:42:51 AM
I reread the post it is a twin Turbo R3 w8
I can believe that. The twin turbo's are what most are doing from what I see and hear.
Update.... it's been a little bit but we had to rethink a couple of things. I wanted to go with 3/8 push rods but different angle in this block than the Keith Black so we decided to go with the 5/16 and massage the heads a bit. Of course they weren't off the shelve so they are being made and should come in next Monday or Tuesday. We are then going to spin the block to check for proper oiling. We had a road block with the oil adapter line to the block but got lucky with a photo on eBay and was able to track down what we needed. Again had to modify it because if it got screwed in to far it would block flow. If all goes well we will be putting heads on and by next weekend it might just be a motor. :banana: :banana: :woohoo:
Oooh: We'll be waiting for pics in that case.
YaHoo after all of the struggles it will be good to have it built finally :cooldance:
Push rods still not in, hopefully soon. Oil adaptor fits nicely but looks like we might have to figure something out for the lower radiator hose..... :looney: I have an electric fuel pump so just need to use the block of plate but will have to see about removing some of that tab off. :Thud:
1 oversight after another to fix :Thud:
I wonder if a spacer or this one will help with the lower rad hose connection?
https://www.meziere.com/Products/Cooling-System-Accessories/Backing-Plates/Mopar/Backing-Plate-SB-Mopar-traditional-(non-Magnum).aspx
I had to make custom rad hoses for my set up and used this place. I also used there PTFE fuel lines and fittings. I'm happy quality wise, been on the car 5-10 years now with no issues. Hope that helps you some.
http://www.frozenboost.com/turbocharger-part/
http://www.frozenboost.com/index.php?cPath=219&osCsid=6dd5cc73b412f25e6949c519f71b64d3
Yes one thing after another....... :bricks:
Brad - that is a great site. THANKS! I have been thinking about fabbing up an upper rad hose and now this might help all the way around. It also gives me ideas to remove the meth inj and install a water/air system. I understand they are more reliable and are constant. Unlike the water meth inj were it depends on boost. :bradsthumb: :drinkingbud:
I suspect that those pumps are meant to be run with a spacer plate. Which one depends on what style block you have.1991 and up Magnum style or traditional. I suspect that is why your having an issue with the lower rad hose not clearing?
https://www.meziere.com/Products/Cooling-System-Accessories/Backing-Plates/Mopar/Backing-Plate-SB-Mopar-1991-and-up-Magnum-style-front-cover.aspx
https://www.meziere.com/Products/Cooling-System-Accessories/Backing-Plates/Mopar/Backing-Plate-SB-Mopar-traditional-(non-Magnum).aspx
EDIT: Just a thought but one of those spacers might also allow you to run a stock type water pump on your set up as you could machine away where the impeller was contacting on your timing cover?
I know you already have the electric one but the idea just popped into my head....?
Quote from: Brads70 on July 26, 2018, 05:05:04 AM
I suspect that those pumps are meant to be run with a spacer plate. Which one depends on what style block you have.1991 and up Magnum style or traditional. I suspect that is why your having an issue with the lower rad hose not clearing?
https://www.meziere.com/Products/Cooling-System-Accessories/Backing-Plates/Mopar/Backing-Plate-SB-Mopar-1991-and-up-Magnum-style-front-cover.aspx
https://www.meziere.com/Products/Cooling-System-Accessories/Backing-Plates/Mopar/Backing-Plate-SB-Mopar-traditional-(non-Magnum).aspx
EDIT: Just a thought but one of those spacers might also allow you to run a stock type water pump on your set up as you could machine away where the impeller was contacting on your timing cover?
I know you already have the electric one but the idea just popped into my head....?
Thanks Brad, sorry I meant to reply earlier. I looked into the spacer and called Meziere. I am adding one and that should take care of the issue. It will also help with the fuel pump tab. UNFORTUNATELY..... I came across the next issue. Found out the headers that I have from my old application, some of the tubes don't work well. One tube on the passenger side comes right across the oil outlet line. And another one hits this block. Soooooooo a little more fabbing up or something. I wish I could just make up nw stainless steel headers but just don't have any extra $1800 - $2000 laying around.
Hopefully just reroute a couple tubes?
I am hoping that is just the case. Really it will have to be. The headers aren't in great shape and they are old but I just need to get this completed and broken in.
Well, it's been a little bit since I have updated this post. You know.... life.... We have started to re-route some of the header tubes that we know need minimal work however we can't do much past that until the engine is complete and in the car. The spacer came in so I believe the rest can be bolted on and then turned over for a leak check. If there are no issues there then on to the dyno. But the way schedules are I'm betting not for another 1.5 months. My hopes at this point is for a month. :bricks: I am a little worried that the milling of the push rod journals are a bit much and may compromise the area but may be I am just paranoid with all the other issues that have come up. The push rod is the only thing that moves in that area and once the intake is bolted on to the head that should back it up.
Great looking parts.
OK while I sit here waiting on an MRI. I thought I would give an update. Slow but steady right... :Thud: some header pipes need work with the new block.
For anyone still following.... the headers pipes were "adjusted" and are fine now. I will, once I get it broken in, have to go for a new set but I 'm waiting on that for now. The Electric water pump spacer was milled to fit so now the hose can go on. I believe it is all just bolt on stuff now..... :fingerscrossed: So once that is completed the engine can be primed and checked, once that is completed on to installation and the Dyno. IF....... something else comes up I have to just go pick it up and bring it down here and finish it. I can't risk winter coming in and the weather stalling things again.
Nice, it' won't be long now hopefully.
Unfortunately ....... no..... :tired: I have been asking for the progress to get to a certain point but it just hasn't happened. And now there is a BIG cruise in Ocean City Maryland happening so all work probably for the last 2 weeks went towards cars going there. So I am guessing it might pick up sometime next week. I asked for it to be completed by the end of the month since I have to travel but was told it probably wouldn't happen.
Quote from: mopar thunder on October 05, 2018, 04:50:24 AM
Unfortunately ....... no..... :tired: I have been asking for the progress to get to a certain point but it just hasn't happened. And now there is a BIG cruise in Ocean City Maryland happening so all work probably for the last 2 weeks went towards cars going there. So I am guessing it might pick up sometime next week. I asked for it to be completed by the end of the month since I have to travel but was told it probably wouldn't happen.
Bummer it would be nice to get it running before the car season ends... ( winter)
Just realized your one of the lucky ones that winter has little effect on ( Florida) :bravo:
Still folowing , very interested in the results of this build :twothumbsup:
I am hoping to get it by Christmas. I don't want to go back and drive the truck and trailer down in winter weather.
good thing is is not in Alberta , you would be driving in winter weather last week :bricks:
My dreams of getting my car back by the end of the year are drawing thinner. :tired: I thought we had a chance but during final clean up of stuff they came across the rocker arm shaft issue. it appears the first builder might have had to much spring seat pressure. Not sure what else it could be but the bearings certainly didn't do that just from driving only couple hundred miles and a few times down the track. We were getting all set to just turn it over to check for leaks then install it. Just another set back that can be fixed. New shafts ordered, set up for turn over being assembled.... :wrenching: with any luck (not that I have had much with this build) we will install and possibly dyno before the end of the year. More than likely I won't be able to pick it up until January..... I know there will be a storm when I plan to get it.
I've never liked bearings in rocker fulcrums.... The location is better suited to bushings.... I know of a couple guys running spring pressure in the 800# over the nose range & they say the bushings take it better than bearings....
Well that just sucks. Are the bearings getting oil other than splash?
I agree you do not want a brg there
Everyone always assumes that roller/ball bearings are superior in every application but the reality is that plain bearings/bushings typically have a greater load bearing capability. Maybe if the needle roller extended all the way through the body rather than two little short ones, but I've never seen it that way on a rocker.
Quote from: Brads70 on November 27, 2018, 11:41:03 AM
Well that just sucks. Are the bearings getting oil other than splash?
I thought it did in the old block but not sure. Prior to the first rebuild I didn't have an issue. After the first rebuild it wasn't running very long so really didn't have a chance to see just knew the mains went. The new block will have a front and rear return. We will be priming the system soon to see (make sure) there is enough before we put it on the dyno. This is an easy enough fix.
Next update..... the shafts got replaced and we got the setup to spin it to make sure the oil and water are moving properly. Well not the best news, oil wasn't moving correctly, in fact just spitting out of the line. And there seemed to be an air sound coming from the lifters. We found out they are not the right lifters, as told by Mr. Ritter, for the block. Now we have to figure out the correct ones. Checking the oil pump next. It is the standard high volume oil pump. Good news is there weren't any leaks however it wasn't under full oil pressure. I was so hoping to have it buttoned up by Christmas... :tired: I just don't know when it will happen. :clueless:
Hoping it all turns out well for you-you certainly deserve a break after all those set backs.
JS27
I cannot believe you now have the wrong lifters too , are they dropping too low on the cam base circle ?
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on December 11, 2018, 08:52:11 PM
I cannot believe you now have the wrong lifters too , are they dropping too low on the cam base circle ?
The holes aren't lining up for oiling. He mentioned something about .0030 play. I now have Ram Racing involved out of Lynchburg, VA. They have built a few Ritter blocks and know wha tis needed. Said they have to tear it down an install bronze guides I believe. Ram asked when we got the Ritter block because the earlier ones weren't needed a lot of help. They said the newer ones are really much better. My guess is I have one of the earlier ones. To tell you the truth I have been down lately from this. I need to regroup and get some faith back. Hoping this special season will help with that. Right now I am almost to afraid to drive it once it is completed. A part of me feels like I should sell it. I know once it is completed it will be one hell of an engine.
:stop: no don't give up! It will be so worth it when your done! :yes:
The grin at the end will make it all worth it , hold on you are close :twothumbsup:
Sorry for not updating earlier. I got a call and they have to break down the engine and send it to Ram Racing in Lynchburg, Va. for bronze sleeves. Ram Racng said they have completed enough Ritter blocks and know exactly what to do. Unfortunately the holidays came into play and the engine will be disaasembled next week and then off to Ram Racing. This is such a roller coaster. I feel great sometimes and then I'm ready to sell the whole darn car once it is completed. :looney: Guessing by past experience that I am looking at probably April now before I can expect it to be completed. I know it will be more money..... :bigmoney:
It would have been nice to have a lot of this info long before starting this project or at least getting close with the assembly .
Make sure you ask Ram Racing if there are any other possible pitfalls while they have the block :alan2cents:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on January 02, 2019, 06:05:14 PM
It would have been nice to have a lot of this info long before starting this project or at least getting close with the assembly .
Make sure you ask Ram Racing if there are any other possible pitfalls while they have the block :alan2cents:
Don't you know it.... :pullinghair: Any type of information sheet would have been nice. And yes, since they have experience with these blocks I have asked them to look over of the block and the current status of it. I don't think it there is but I have said that enough already.
Pretty trying, good luck with it. Reminds me of my 472, somehow I missed that the drivers side oil galleys weren't drilled until I went to pre-oil it. Nothing like what you have experienced but I know it is a heartbreaking feeling, tearing it down and worrying it back together again.
Update.... (well not much of one) The engine is now at Ram Racing. The process was explained to me but to tell you the truth I am fed up with it. It is a much more involved process than I thought. So I am guessing the engine will be there thru Feb. Then I am hoping schedule allows it to be re-assembled by the end of March if not sooner. So I gave them a deadline to have it running by Easter because will be heading up to New Jersey for a week sometime around then. :fingerscrossed: :drinkingbud:
Bummer.... I'm always excited to click on this post , wanting to hear this beast making some noise! :burnout:
I agree , I always open this thread hoping for some good news on the build .
Don't give up now !! :cooldance:
Here it is in it's slumber state. I will keep plugging, I really miss driving it.
Update..... Here are some pics of the work completed. I am now waiting for it to be picked up and taken back to be re-assembled. Unfortunately the block is 4.5 hours from the engine builder and he is not sure when he can pick it up. I might just drive up from Florida to pick it up.
Please let it go together without a problem this time around !!
My brain hurts from praying so much. :Thud: It was said that "it should go back easier now since it was together once already." I'm hoping so.
Praying too my friend :please:
I have tried working with everyone thru this whole process. It is frustrating, you need patience and it wears on you. I have to go up to my families shore house at the beginning of May and am hoping it will be finished by then. It would financially benefit me to just get a one way ticket but I am not counting on it. There is a large cruise/show in Ocean City Maryland the 2nd week in May so I am guessing anyone needing work completed will come first to meet the car cruise deadline.
Please don't give up. We are all pulling for you here. Really hoping that it works out this time around as you deserve it.
Quote from: nsmall on March 27, 2019, 09:29:37 PM
Please don't give up. We are all pulling for you here. Really hoping that it works out this time around as you deserve it.
Thanks nsmall, I appreciate it.
OK, engine back on it's way to the shop. Of course took longer than expected but HOPEFULLY this is it. I asked for a pic when it gets back to the shop and unwrapped. Will post a pic when I get it.
Well I guess this is the result we were looking for. Never had to do this so not sure how or why but..... here it is. Now it has to be re-assembled. Noyt the best timing around there because of race season is opening and 2 big car cruise weeks coming up. I found out though that the machine shop ruined the cam to make it work with the lifters that are now changed so shop is buying me a new cam.
I am glad to see you are making progress.
Quote from: mopar thunder on April 09, 2019, 02:02:59 PM
Noyt the best timing around there because of race season is opening and 2 big car cruise weeks coming up.
I guess I don't understand this comment. Why would someone else's engine come before yours. Were there engines in the shop before yours???
Jason
I'm back to hoping it can be completed in 2 months. :fingerscrossed: :drinkingbud:
AT least you are not on the hook to replace the cam but more waiting time :headbang:
The rear seal showed some signs of rubbing so we are going to de-burr the rear cap and block area then re-wash it.....then continue.
Sorry Cudajason, I didn't read your post all the way, just skimmed it. There are a few blocks in there but based on demand and me being out of state I'm sure I will get pushed back. Yeah I know.... but that is just the way it has been. I'm a one time pop nad others are regulars.
Quote from: mopar thunder on April 16, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
Sorry Cudajason, I didn't read your post all the way, just skimmed it. There are a few blocks in there but based on demand and me being out of state I'm sure I will get pushed back. Yeah I know.... but that is just the way it has been. I'm a one time pop nad others are regulars.
no worries..
That is shitty business. It just makes sure you will only be a one time customer. It should be first in first out. :alan2cents:
One thing I have learned from this post. My suppositions are correct. Never ending battle to build one of these exotic small block Mopars. I hate it for you but your so deep now there is no backing out. Just have to keep drudging through it and hopefully this will be the final problem!
Quote from: Cudajason on April 16, 2019, 01:40:27 PM
Quote from: mopar thunder on April 16, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
Sorry Cudajason, I didn't read your post all the way, just skimmed it. There are a few blocks in there but based on demand and me being out of state I'm sure I will get pushed back. Yeah I know.... but that is just the way it has been. I'm a one time pop nad others are regulars.
no worries..
That is shitty business. It just makes sure you will only be a one time customer. It should be first in first out. :alan2cents:
:iagree: that's just good business but through the many years of owning cars this has happened more than once.
Quote from: Shane Kelley on April 17, 2019, 07:08:29 AM
One thing I have learned from this post. My suppositions are correct. Never ending battle to build one of these exotic small block Mopars. I hate it for you but your so deep now there is no backing out. Just have to keep drudging through it and hopefully this will be the final problem!
thanks, and you're right. I have thought a few times of stopping, backing out, getting a crate engine and selling but I kept going and now I am in so deep it wouldn't make sense. I can only wait till the end of the ride and go from there. Apparently right after I bought this series block, the next generation came out and was a lot better..... of course.
Quote from: mopar thunder on April 18, 2019, 04:18:44 AM
Quote from: Shane Kelley on April 17, 2019, 07:08:29 AM
One thing I have learned from this post. My suppositions are correct. Never ending battle to build one of these exotic small block Mopars. I hate it for you but your so deep now there is no backing out. Just have to keep drudging through it and hopefully this will be the final problem!
thanks, and you're right. I have thought a few times of stopping, backing out, getting a crate engine and selling but I kept going and now I am in so deep it wouldn't make sense. I can only wait till the end of the ride and go from there. Apparently right after I bought this series block, the next generation came out and was a lot better..... of course.
I truly feel your pain.
Seems every time I get involved with something out of the norm I run into the same thing. The next version has been updated to tackle the issues that fight me. Very aggravating. I'm building a stroker 340 for my Cuda and staying with all conventional off the shelf parts and known combinations. It may not be as strong or powerful as the exotic builds. But it will just have be what it is. I know it will go together and run pretty damn good. But I do get what you are trying to accomplish and admire your determination. :bigthumb:
Nothing worthwhile is easy. We could all do red Camaros with 350 4 bolts but we are a different breed.
Timing is everything , unfortunate you bought the last of the poorer blocks :bricks:
Too bad Brad is not closer to you .
That would be Red or Orange 69 Camaros with 350s
I'm hoping all the Gremlins are out of it now. I just want to reassemble the engine and see that the fluids are all going where they should when we spin it. Then we can start final assembly and start getting excited again.
Been reading this thread and I feel your pain. I've purchased a '71 Cuda vert back in 2017 and although the car drove very well during the short test drive, I started seeing problems with the motor, from running hot to some slight knocks. It took me about 6 months to figure out this is not a tuning issue. I never really suspected the motor as the car was sold to me as having the motor professionally rebuild. The rest of the car was very well restored so I never suspected anything. At first I was hoping for something small and perhaps just a gasket replacement. Well, they never end up that simple don't they. :'(
Well, it took me another 3 months to find the right motor builder. The guy is painfully slow but extremely detailed. We completely stripped it, sonic tested the block and checked every single inch of it. I ended replacing most of the internals, which were new by the way but wrong parts for the application. I ended up spending another $10k on the motor (top of the line internals) and parts (also redid the rad with original parts, fan, water pump etc) but damn I now have a beast and what an amazing running motor - it also runs really cool and that was a big pet peeve of mine as the heat would creap up when in traffic or idle making it run crap and causing me to not enjoy the car. It was a leap of faith for sure but even the extra money is worth it in the end.
So just keep the faith and get through it. :cheers:
I"m hoping WCC. Right now I am waiting on the 2nd cam to be made. The first one was , I'll say "mis-communicated" and they owe me another one. Once that is in it is back to assembly. I have been hoping every 3-4 months for a few years now. Maybe I'll get in it time for my birthday.....
Quote from: mopar thunder on April 29, 2019, 04:57:57 AM
I"m hoping WCC. Right now I am waiting on the 2nd cam to be made. The first one was , I'll say "mis-communicated" and they owe me another one. Once that is in it is back to assembly. I have been hoping every 3-4 months for a few years now. Maybe I'll get in it time for my birthday.....
Here's hoping mate. :twothumbsup:
If I were you I would head down to Boca Grande and go catch some tarpon. We use to rent a house on Little Gasparilla island, hit the beaches during the day with some good seafood and beers to wash it down for lunch and hit Boca channel at night. Man those were some of the best times of my life.
Thanks! You know I lived in Florida before, finishing high school and college here and used to go diving, fishing, boating, it was great, then moved back north. I have been back now for a few years and hardly do anything. I know life throws you lemons sometimes but you really need to take time, slow down and enjoy somethings. What you described would be perfect.... glad you were able to enjoy those times. :drinkingbud:
Update..... 2nd cam has been completed and has arrived. I got word last night. Lets see now how long it takes to put it back together. Hopefully there are no more issues and it can go back like a puzzle. I can't believe the assumed timing on this. It looks like it "could" be completed :fingerscrossed: just in time for the hottest time of the year here.
:woohoo: Word is the engine should be back together barring no issues and ready to go back in the car by mid-June. :fingerscrossed:
Quote from: mopar thunder on May 21, 2019, 04:27:18 AM
:woohoo: Word is the engine should be back together barring no issues and ready to go back in the car by mid-June. :fingerscrossed:
Awesome man, I'm holding thumbs for you.
:veryexcited: :veryexcited: :veryexcited:
Update....... Well it never fails for me. They said the cam is 0.021 off. They say it isn't the cam itself but the block. I found this out last weekend so I am hoping for some good news this weekend. Again the plan is to have it in turned over so it can go in the car by mid-to late June. I'm saying end of June (if I'm lucky) just because that's the way it has been going. Then everything can be bolted on and it can go to dyno. Hey, maybe I can get it by the end of summer. :drunk:
Not sure I follow, does that mean the cam tunnel is bored .021" out of position?
Sure looks nice :twothumbsup:
Quote from: Brads70 on June 13, 2019, 05:30:47 PM
Not sure I follow, does that mean the cam tunnel is bored .021" out of position?
Glad you asked.... I was thinknig something else but now not sure I will ask.
He never gave me answer just said it now fits like a glove. So I am assuming the tunnel bore was off, just my opinion. I am hoping to hear next that it is all together and ready to turn over....... :fingerscrossed:
Quote from: mopar thunder on June 15, 2019, 09:17:36 AM
He never gave me answer just said it now fits like a glove. So I am assuming the tunnel bore was off, just my opinion. I am hoping to hear next that it is all together and ready to turn over....... :fingerscrossed:
Holding thumbs mate. :ohyeah:
That would be awesome !!
:woohoo: Some positive news for a change. I heard that the engine was turned, oil pressure was at 80 psi and there were no leaks. Oil was flowing well thru the Clearview and at this point no leaks. Of course it wasn't started but that is a milestone. There was a concern from the builder that the oil coming from the lifters is questionable, maybe since it wasn't heated. He is going to talk to the lifter sleeve guy and see if that is normal. If not he said he would niche them for better flow. If all is good the intake, distributor, etc. go back on and it goes to the shop for a start and warm up. if all is good then he said he will send it so it can be installed. I'll have to be at the ready for a flight to go put it in. Shall I go out on a limb and say within 2-3 weeks..... I better not with the way things have gone.
:cooldance:
Holding thumbs mate. :bradsthumb:
Quote from: WCC on June 24, 2019, 01:15:51 PM
Holding thumbs mate. :bradsthumb:
I appreciate it, I appreciate all the interest and support. :drinkingbud:
Here is a pic of the oil pressure that was forwarded to me.
Getting close!
The builder ended up having to nitch the lifters. Alreasdy done and a video was sent showing the flow. Then next thing I knew he sent the following picture with just one word ...."closer". I'm weary about getting excited but maybe, just maybe things will go right......and I might see it running in a short time.
:veryexcited:
I can't believe I am actually saying this but it is all together. :woohoo: It has been a long and frustrating road. It shouldn't have been so hard but as some have followed every corner proved to be difficult. Anyway next step starting her up and then install. My stomach gets knots in it just thinknig about starting it up because the negative thought that something will go wrong is there. But if we get it running with no issues it will go in the car. I asked when they thought we might start it up but have not heard back yet. Keep your fingers crossed.
:fingerscrossed:
:ohyeah:
:bradsthumb:
So happy for you and wishing you nothing but a nice start up and smooth running engine.
The HP #'s should make it all worthwhile.
Going on the dyno or just a run in stand? Do you have a HP prediction or goal?
Finally !!
It willl go well for you !!
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on July 07, 2019, 04:11:15 PM
The HP #'s should make it all worthwhile.
I'm hoping so. I am hoping now I won't have a lot of car issues to deal with since it has been sitting. I know it will take a long time to clean it all the way like it was.
Quote from: gzig5 on July 07, 2019, 06:17:41 PM
Going on the dyno or just a run in stand? Do you have a HP prediction or goal?
I believe at this point they would like to get a run on the stand first before installing it then dyno it. However, as it usually goes, there are rumors the shop I use is splitting up, so to speak, so not sure exactly what will happen. I will get the car out of there first if I think it will get caught up in anything. It would have been great if it could have been completed now so I could have gone to Carlisle. After all this time I'm not sure what it will produce HP wise. It better be at least what I had with the other block after all this.
Update...... for those still following, the engine is done, all together and off the stand. :ohyeah: They were trying to set up a "run on the stand' time but unfortunately the gentleman that was going to do it lost his mother in the beginning of the week so now it is waiting on him to return. Then into the car and the dyno. I can't believe I can actually say it is completed. :woohoo:
:veryexcited: :veryexcited: :veryexcited:
:grouphug: We have all been thinking good thoughts for you and all your 'trials' you have been through with this... anxious to find out how it goes!!!
:banana: :banana: :banana:
:worship: :worship: :worship:
Amen ... Lets hear this beast run finally :banana:
Yes: We'll need video!
:veryexcited: can't wait for some video! :fingerscrossed: :bradsthumb:
:popcorn: and hoping for a bunch of this :stayinlane: :stayinlane: :stayinlane:
Looking forward to hearing that motor run. :ohyeah:
I am hoping to get a video of both the stand run and when it gets dyno'ed. I'll be sure to share videos and pics when I get them. Thanks for all your thoughts! :burnout:
:cooldance: go go go!
Here it is.... all completed just waiting. Still no word from the guy who lost his mother recently. I was hoping we would hear this week. Fingers still crossed. I don't want to push him right now because of his loss but I am anxious.
:cool:
WELL!!!!.... it finally happened :yes: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: the engine was fired up last night! My builder was very pleased, says the video doesn't do it justice. I think it sounds great. No leaks, good pressure, fluids flowing, temp was great. Next step installing her. I have to plan sometime to go help install it. That is one milestone out of the way. Not sure about the dog biting the exhaust but.... It's not a great video but hey, I'm not complaining. Once it i sinstalled I will take it to the dyno and get some #'s.
Hey that's AWESOME !!!!
hope the install goes well!
Fantastic news! Sounds "snotty" ! So many of us have been waiting to see/hear this! :clapping: :cooldance:
:congrats: Salute! I had a German Shepard that would bite the exhaust tip's! Drove me nut's. :looney:
I can't wait to hear that. Mine hasn't been running in twenty years. It's been sitting in a heated space since the 90s.
Quote from: mopar thunder on August 14, 2019, 08:08:07 AM
WELL!!!!.... it finally happened :yes: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: the engine was fired up last night! My builder was very pleased, says the video doesn't do it justice. I think it sounds great. No leaks, good pressure, fluids flowing, temp was great. Next step installing her. I have to plan sometime to go help install it. That is one milestone out of the way. Not sure about the dog biting the exhaust but.... It's not a great video but hey, I'm not complaining. Once iti sinstalled I will take it to the dyno and get some #'s.
Awesome and well done for hanging in there. Things are looking up for sure. :bradsthumb:
Great news, that must feel good after all that. The dog wasn't too scared of it though.
That is fantastic , Congrats ... sound great too :bigthumb:
Thanks everyone. Yes, it does feel really good I have to admit. I have played that video over and over. Sometimes I have to remind myself that it is mine and it is finally running. Now on to the next step.... :wrenching:
Well the saga continues.... you really can't make all this stuff up. Communication stopped with the installer for awhile and I was wondering what happened. Well in short, trouble with his partner, trouble at home, and then he said he was going to do it himself. I just told him the drop dead date for me was mid October then I was getting it no matter the shape it is in. Well then I find out he had to go into the hospital for a triple by-pass this past weekend. Now that's no joke and I really hope he is doing well. Now enter the twist. He told me before that he was picking up the engine and not to call the shop which I found a bit strange. Then I found out he was in the hospital and I wasn't sure where the engine actually was. Did he have it or where was it....... It got worked out this morning. I wasn't aware but he dropped the engine off at the shop before he went into the hospital knowing what the outcome was. But they lost a week or so of time. I spoke to the other shop owner and said well sorry for the confusion but I am coming up to get the car Oct 17th so what ever shape it is in I am taking it back. I just hope they can get it installed and running with a pull or two on the dyno to make sure the air/fuel mixture and digital box are set correctly. If not I guess I will find a shop down here to put it on the dyno when ready. I still need an exhaust repair, a larger upper rad hose, and a few misc. items. I'll just be glad to have it home. If I can get a dyno pull on video I will post it. If not once it is back home and running I'll take a video of it then.
Crazy :looney:
I think you made the right call. They have the deadline so just get it back if they can't deliver. You are a very patient person indeed.
With a recent build of a '50s Chevy truck it took the guy two years and I just about lost all my patience with him. The first few months went great and he did some amazing metal work including some one off fabrications of the front end and grill, which makes it unique.
But then progress started getting slower and slower. I don't think much of anything happened this past year and I ended up giving him a hard deadline. Unfortunately, he does do good metalwork so I also gave him another project at the end of last year, being a '41 Harley flathead - I shouldn't have done that as he could not finish the truck in time, let alone the bike.
So after a hard deadline that was up last week he phoned me a day before shipping telling me he could'nt quite get everything done and also wasn't happy with some stuff he already completed...like paint. :crying: He also told me that his shop went under two months ago and that he has been working a day job while working on my truck some weekday evenings and weekends. So you can imagine the quality of work I got with late evenings and a dead tired restorer that had to let all his help go.
I got the truck back on Friday and there are a lot of issues. Mainly small cosmetic but still they added up quickly and made me so disappointed to see what I have been dreaming about for the last two years. It looks good on pics but once you get up close you start seeing the swirl marks, paint chips and the other imperfections. He also messed up my warranty claim on a brand new Holley Sniper by opening it up - so now I don't know if it was a product issue or not but basically I'm out a few grand just on that.
Fortunately, I managed to get my bike stuff from him as well, not that he would steal it but you never know when somebody has their back up against the wall.
I did meet the owners of a great shop close to me and they have already started making progress on my truck - if only I had known about them two years ago, it would have spared me the agony.
One thing I have learned is don't let delays progress beyond a certain point - it never gets better, only worse.
But such is life and it is not always smooth sailing. I would rather be fishing right now than dealing with all this shit, but we are car guys and that's part of the game.
Apparently I had to wait until you got your fire up before reading this entire thread.
WOW you have been thru a lot. Glad you stuck that thru till fire up. Sounds like it will be a monster...
Enjoyable monster!
"But such is life and it is not always smooth sailing. I would rather be fishing right now than dealing with all this shit, but we are car guys and that's part of the game."
This is the absolute true statement of the car guys.
My tale with a Mustang. 3 years of frustration. Set a deadline he got close but missed it and I took it back to finish.
Sometimes the lines have to be drawn.
Look forward to following the rest of this build.
Mike
Sounds like lots of horse power and fun to me. :bradsthumb:
Quote from: WCC on September 09, 2019, 12:17:29 PM
I think you made the right call. They have the deadline so just get it back if they can't deliver. You are a very patient person indeed.
With a recent build of a '50s Chevy truck it took the guy two years and I just about lost all my patience with him. The first few months went great and he did some amazing metal work including some one off fabrications of the front end and grill, which makes it unique.
But then progress started getting slower and slower. I don't think much of anything happened this past year and I ended up giving him a hard deadline. Unfortunately, he does do good metalwork so I also gave him another project at the end of last year, being a '41 Harley flathead - I shouldn't have done that as he could not finish the truck in time, let alone the bike.
So after a hard deadline that was up last week he phoned me a day before shipping telling me he could'nt quite get everything done and also wasn't happy with some stuff he already completed...like paint. :crying: He also told me that his shop went under two months ago and that he has been working a day job while working on my truck some weekday evenings and weekends. So you can imagine the quality of work I got with late evenings and a dead tired restorer that had to let all his help go.
I got the truck back on Friday and there are a lot of issues. Mainly small cosmetic but still they added up quickly and made me so disappointed to see what I have been dreaming about for the last two years. It looks good on pics but once you get up close you start seeing the swirl marks, paint chips and the other imperfections. He also messed up my warranty claim on a brand new Holley Sniper by opening it up - so now I don't know if it was a product issue or not but basically I'm out a few grand just on that.
Fortunately, I managed to get my bike stuff from him as well, not that he would steal it but you never know when somebody has their back up against the wall.
I did meet the owners of a great shop close to me and they have already started making progress on my truck - if only I had known about them two years ago, it would have spared me the agony.
One thing I have learned is don't let delays progress beyond a certain point - it never gets better, only worse.
But such is life and it is not always smooth sailing. I would rather be fishing right now than dealing with all this shit, but we are car guys and that's part of the game.
These types of stories keep coming. You are so right that it is just part of the car guy life. I wouldn't have been so patient, I believe, if I hadn't had other obstacles that took presedence. My fingers are crossed that in the end all is good. I might be at the end of my ropes if something goes wrong with it soon after all is completed. This thread is pretty long and not sure if I ever said this but I went through this 6 months prior to starting this one. We rebuilt the engine to a certain spec and found out soon after the engine was bored WAY too much and the hole project was a flop so there went $$$ out the window. I thought it was bad then when it took 11 months. That was nothing compared to this time. I just double checked and saw this thread was started Jan 2018. I dropped the car off on Aug 30, 2016..........
Update..... the shop and I had a good conversation. We worked out 2 lists... 1 - what needs to be done to finish the car and 2 - what my wish list is to finish the car. My budget is so badly blown we'll see if it all gets done or if I just pick it up and finish it myself. But they have already dropped the engine in and are supposed to hook up the transmission today. :woohoo: They said they will be sending pics along the way so I will post as they come in. They said they can have it completed by the deadline - "As long as there are no major hiccups......" My worry is header issues. Some fabrication may be needed. That might slow it down and can be expensive. I believe everything else should bolt back in. :fingerscrossed:
Things are moving along then. Good luck, it shouldn't be too long now.
Quote from: mopar thunder on September 12, 2019, 05:05:24 AM
Update..... the shop and I had a good conversation. We worked out 2 lists... 1 - what needs to be done to finish the car and 2 - what my wish list is to finish the car. My budget is so badly blown we'll see if it all gets done or if I just pick it up and finish it myself. But they have already dropped the engine in and are supposed to hook up the transmission today. :woohoo: They said they will be sending pics along the way so I will post as they come in. They said they can have it completed by the deadline - "As long as there are no major hiccups......" My worry is header issues. Some fabrication may be needed. That might slow it down and can be expensive. I believe everything else should bolt back in. :fingerscrossed:
Great, it seems they are trying to meet your expectations and soon you will be :stayinlane:
I blew my budget on my one and only build by 30k, that is unfortunately not a typo my friend. We have all been down a similar road. I dont think about numbers when I am driving, its all smiles.
Quote from: nsmall on September 12, 2019, 09:15:07 PM
I blew my budget on my one and only build by 30k, that is unfortunately not a typo my friend. We have all been down a similar road. I dont think about numbers when I am driving, its all smiles.
Yowser, 30k? :o Perhaps it is relative if your budget was over 200k.
It's hard to budget them these days. My last two cars I spent $20k (albeit Canadian) on "little stuff". By little stuff I mean not paint or body, not engine, not trans and not seat upholstery or carpet and not labour.
Front end parts, brake parts, exhaust, tires, parts plating etc.
I think they are really trying to meet the deadline. Here is a pic I got last night. The engine is in and hooked up to the transmission. We are moving forward for sure. Starting to get excited. :veryexcited: :cooldance: :ohyeah:
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on September 13, 2019, 07:11:24 AM
It's hard to budget them these days. My last two cars I spent $20k (albeit Canadian) on "little stuff". By little stuff I mean not paint or body, not engine, not trans and not seat upholstery or carpet and not labour.
Front end parts, brake parts, exhaust, tires, parts plating etc.
I had no idea of the costs. At least Cuda Cody let me know beforehand yet I sent went buckwild on blowing the dough.
I am always excited to see good news for you mopar thunder!
A little more completed. We are on our way. Had to fab a few brackets though. Also came into an issue with my pick up dates and had to move it back 2 weeks. :( Deadline is now end of Oct.
Progress is still progress :twothumbsup:
Working hard on it (sorry not a clear pic). I was told that they might be ahead of schedule. Unfortunate thing is that they can't find a way for an air to air intercooler so I will keep her as is for now. I'll have to watch the Florida heat when I finally get it down here. Tick Tock the clock keeps moving. :drinkingbud:
Intercooler?? I must have missed the meeting. That thing is force inducted?? :o
Quote from: gzig5 on September 28, 2019, 05:24:37 PM
Intercooler?? I must have missed the meeting. That thing is force inducted?? :o
X2?
Just a small Pro Charger........
We should be hearing it come to life next week. Just a few more items to go...... :wrenching: I can feel it getting close...... :woohoo:
:veryexcited:
:banana:keep us posted.
OK, here we go..... leaving tomorrow to get it. I got fed up with some things and told them the drop dead date was 10/24....well that is tomorrow. I was told it would be ready but apparently it hasn't been dyno'ed yet. Supposedly today but haven't heard a thing. I've heard some nightmare stories about what is happening at the shop so I'm so glad I am bringing it back. Even if it isn't 100% I said I was taking it and don't ask for anymore time. So we'll see when I get there. Not sure I will be able to post anything about it after tonight because I am closing up my parents house in NJ while I am there and not sure if the internet is still on. So I apologize up front if this thread is idle for over a week after tonight. I will be back home 11/02 barring no issues driving the truck and trailer back down. :fingerscrossed: :drinkingbud:
Safe travels , I hope everything goes well !
Good luck with everything.
:foul: :popcorn:
waiting for hopefully good news. :bradsthumb:
Best of luck and bring her home. :twothumbsup:
Well I got her back home finally :woohoo: :woohoo: :bradsthumb: :bradsthumb: :cheers:. But it wasn't fun or w/o issues. W/o making this a book I had to pay an additonal $2500 for work that wasn't authorized or needed in my opinion. Biggest thing was they had a carburetor guy come and do work on the carb because they said it wasn't tunable. That carburetor worked well before. It was crazy. I told them I didn't want them to go above a cetain price and if they thought it was to just stop and load the car. I was so fed up and also realized stuff was taken out of my trailer ( speed jack, timing light, fuel funnel, etc.) and of course no one knows about it. So I might have to right that off. I couldn't wait to get her out and just leave. Anyway, after 21 hours of driving I go to take her out of the trailer and she won't start. Well I figured that out then there was no reverse. I figured that out and finally pulled her in the garage. But the header collector was bent ( I asked about it and was told it must have hit the trailer floor when pulling it in... It has never hit the floor)and one of the tubes is out so it is overly loud and I realized the break in oil was never changed so I had to do that but they did reimburse me for it (after they charged me for it).... shall I go on... Anyway, she's home in the garage. . The car and interior is very clean though. The ordeal is finally over but I have no budget..... At All....left so I have to figure out how I can register her. Even the engine builder was very upset how they billed themselves a top of the line shop. Sorry if this is just blabberish. I have an appt to take it to a local exhaust place to fix a few things. I will post some pics when I can and start her up for a video. She starts well and idles well so I am happy about that.
Wow your more "cool" about it than I would be. Sounds like a great place to get a car away from!
I was hoping for a much better report. Unfortunately you will find other issues. Dont let these series of unfortunate circumstances ruin you from enjoying your car once its on the road. Most of us have way more into the hobby than we should, but I never think about the financial side when I am out cruising. I imagine doing some burnouts and getting the ol heart a beating when flooring it will be some healthy therapy. :bradsthumb:
Good luck getting it dialed in and I am sorry to hear you still have issues to work out.
Arrg Well at least you have it home now even if it takes some time to rebuild financially before moving forward again you now have it & it runs . :looney:
I may sound cool about it but really I am just so fed up I don't even want to write about it. I try to keep my chin up. I noticed a wheel stud had back out but the nut was still on it. I fixed that this morning real quick. They did do a few dyno pulls to 5500 rpm. I didn't get any sheets but they said it made around 700 to the wheel at 10lbs of boost. There should be more than that. I am going to send out the carb back to Kevin at CSU so he can fix what they did. Then I'll find a good tuner and hopefully have it done right. If I can I will take some pics and a video later today.
700 Hp at the tires is incredible , I could always tune it but I am not local !!
Sorry to hear of the issues - we've all been there and paid some school fees - but at least you have her back now and 700HP is just wow. :twothumbsup:
Chryco, I wish you were local also!
Here are a couple of videos that I just took. I just took her out for a short around the block trip. I don't like the sound of the header tube out. It makes it sound like a lifter is tapping. Seem to run OK so far. I did see transmission fluid that had leaked so have to address that.
Here are a couple pics also.
Waiting for the header to be repaired, break in to be complete, then watching you make lots of smoke.
Thanks to everyone who followed this and gave me support. It has been a long road but with just a few more tweaks it should be back to a managable condition. I'll move forward and learn from this and you can bet it won't happen again. All I can do is bet on Karma at this point. Once the headers is fixed and I check the transmission hook up I will send the carb out to CSU and then find a good dyno shop. Once that happens I will post up the numbers.
Good to hear you have it back. Also sorry to hear the !@#$%^ continued.
As it is now all fixes can and will be on your timeline.
Enjoy the big picture for now. Don't dwell on the smaller ones. Just pick them away a bit at a time.
Thanks for the vids. Sounds awsome.
Still dealing with issues. :verymad: I just can't believe after all the time and money I am at the point that I am. I found out the shop did more sub par work so I am slowly trying to get it drivable then move forward from there. As everyone well knows it is tough to do when there is no more budget. Running into an issue with the brake booster now and the air intake pipe. I have another thread out asking about different boosters that might work (other than hydroboost, I don't have a power steering pump). I have a stock one right now. I haven't driven it more than 3 miles at a time. The exhaust is also leaking on otherside of the engine at the heads..... that's next on the list.
:headbang: You must be asking your self, is this ever going to end. Persistence will prevail! :console:
JS29, yes I have been for awhile. It's tough to keep going in a situation like this. Really kind of burns you out. I've have 2 weeks off and can't do anything, very frustrating. Maybe the New Year will bring better times. I'm ready to say Good bye to 2019.
For those still interested, I have been dealing with small issues but I sent the carb out to have it fixed from the last shops debacle. Well now I can't get in touch with him. He has had it for 4 weeks and no word. I am a little floored why this keeps happening. So I wait..... still need to fix the exhaust leaks, etc. I was under the car today adn saw the rear axle sseals are leaking so I can add that to the list. :bricks: I am almost tot he point of getting it fixed then sell it and take a break.
By the way for any of you living in the area of Pottstown, PA. that shop that worked on my car has chaned their name from Pottstown Street Cars to PSR Performance. Same owner different name so pass it around. Don't go there. Everyone have a good night.
Thanks for the update. At some point the car will be as right as it can be. :cheers:
I know it is frustrating but this is part of the game when restoring these classics. They all need various degrees of TLC and when you're done you start the next round. But, they provide so much enjoyment once you get to a stage where it is running well.
I had a 440 rebuild on my rag top shaker and it took a very long time and lots of $s. After the rebuild there were some minor stuff, like getting it tuned properly, new fuel pump and I also had to get a heat shield for the carb as those shakers do trap heat. At the time I felt very frustrated but knew I just had to push it through. It was worse for me as I was also busy with a new build which had gone wrong due to the restorer getting into financial trouble and on top of that I was busy with a '41 Harley flathead which also took its toll on my stress levels.
Right now the new build is almost done, just some gauges issues which I am waiting on parts for and some minor hood adjustments etc. The flathead is painted and I am in final assembly, so there seems to be light at the end of the tunnel and it's not a train this time.
Just hang in there or else you may fix the car and not get to enjoy it and the fruits of your effort.
I think you're pretty close and with a few loose ends to tidy up you're actually sitting pretty good. No excuse for the carb guy not to be in contact. Perhaps he's on vacation, that is common this time of year.
Yep still interested...
Sorry to hear about the carb delay. Hope it works out soon for you with it.
Overall now you sound real close. Take a breath (again) to clear head.
Waiting to hear the "I finally have it" update.
Mike.
OK, I heard back from Kevin at CSU carbs..... He actually talked to my engine builder and was floored at what they had done. Apparently when the shop called in an outside contractor - Total Racing Components (TRC) to look at the carb, TRC took out all the expensive parts in the carb and replaced them with junk, totally removed power valves, changed out the metering blocks, etc. Kevin was surprised it made power at all. Both Kevin and the engine builder (Bob) think that TRC took out the items to start building better Blow Off carbs thru TRC. I don't know but that is some crap IMO. Kevin is being real nice and is only going to charge me for new power valves and re-assembly. So PSR Performance out of Pottstown, PA is either not aware of what their subs are doing and incompetent or they are just rip off artists working with TRC. Either way it only costs me more $ and time.
Sheesh! That's nuts! Sorry for your troubles! :bricks:
Sorry to hear this.
These forums are great for weeding out the sleazy people
Some people have zero honor and integrity. Sorry to hear the challenges continue.
BIG shout out to Kevin and CSU Carburetors.... :ohyeah: Kevin really hooked me up. Carburetor is being overhauled and will be sent back, hopefully tomorrow. Not even charging me what he originally quoted.... it's less by the way. Great person to deal with. I highly recommend him if you ever need a great carburetor. SCREW PSR Performance out of Pottstown, PA and Total Racing Components!! I would never use any of them. I have no experience with a product from TRC but he really screwed up my carb. Hopefully i get the carb back in a week and I could be rolling again. Then back to fixing all the crap PSR Performance did wrong.
I received the carburetor today. Looks great. Unfortunately the battery is dead now so tomorrow it's off to buy another one. A friend of mine told me about a EFI system from Holley that he thinks would work great for me. It's a Holley 1250 Super Sniper. Anyone ever hear of it? I know some folks that run the Holley Sniper and they say it's great with no problems. I don't know much about EFI but this is supposed to be self tuning and easy to set up. I just got the carb back so I am torn. I couldn't do it for a bit anyway.
I am glad you got the carb back now
I know a couple of people who ran the Sniper & were very happy with it
Quote from: mopar thunder on March 06, 2020, 05:36:26 PM
I received the carburetor today. Looks great. Unfortunately the battery is dead now so tomorrow it's off to buy another one. A friend of mine told me about a EFI system from Holley that he thinks would work great for me. It's a Holley 1250 Super Sniper. Anyone ever hear of it? I know some folks that run the Holley Sniper and they say it's great with no problems. I don't know much about EFI but this is supposed to be self tuning and easy to set up. I just got the carb back so I am torn. I couldn't do it for a bit anyway.
I had a Sniper on my '58 Chevy Apache and took it off. Although it ran fine, it just doesn't have that carb feeling and sound. It also resets at times (battery disconnects etc) and that annoyed me. You also need to make sure you get the right dizzie with it, preferably the Holley.
Running a good well tuned carb on these cars is awesome. Mine has instant response and I love it.
My son is running a Sniper on his abused off road 440 and now on his W-2 360. They work great. Easier tuning compared to a carb.
Thanks for the replies about the Holley Sniper. My thoughts for EFI were fleeting. I priced what is needed for the exhaust repair and that needs to be completed before i look into EFI. I spent about 50 minutes on the phone with Kevin at CSU carburetors yesterday (he is a great guy and I would recommend him to anybody) and we were able to fix the needle seat issue (A LOT of gas out of the vent tube) reset the floats and somewhat tune it in so now it is back running. Since my timing gun was stolen out of my trailer at the last shop I can't get base timing yet. I know those idiots at the shop set the MSD to retard to 19 degrees under full boost but I need to find what they set my base at. Once I can find that out we can move to the next thing. I'm wondering if the torque converter is to tight. Well onward we move. I'll try to take a video of it next time I take it out.
Carb is running like a champ. Press the gas once and turn if over.... nice. Now to get the exhaust and tranny pan leaks fixed and we will be in business for the dyno.
I'm glad to hear things are going well for you.
We did an engine rebuild on my cuda as well and although it took very long it was so worth it. She's all back and so smooth and sweet. I just love an old school carb on my classics and we got her so nicely dialied in that you would think it is an EFI.
I find when something fights me to the end, when it's finally over they don't come back to haunt you and every thing is well. :alan2cents:
Just work through each problem, it gets better and better.
OK, I believe I found a really good shop. I took the car is in the shop for my exhaust leaks. They found numerous leaks around the heads and at the collector, no gaskets, some silicone...etc. I have custom 2 inch headers now that are REALLY old and dented after what the other shop did to them. I also have leaks around the exhaust flanges where they were welded so looking into TTI headers to see if they will work. Rear axle seals were replaced, replaced the transmission pan that they dented all up so things are looking good. Good time to get this work done since I can't go anywhere.
Seems everything is a problem and even good shops are struggling. Had a truck at a good shop and they did a good job on it till about two months ago. First, the excuses started coming as to why things aren't getting done and then things were ticked off the list but didn't get done and most that were got done half assed. Then the lockdowns started and I just took the truck back. Am driving it now and just keeping a list of issues.
What pains me the most is that this was a great shop and I even referred customers to them and they let me down the last two months big time. At least if you cannot do it then say so, but don't keep me on a string.
My concern is by the rate which small businesses are closing they may not make it and what then? Finding a good shop these days is tough and if they are struggling I can only imagine what the rest are doing.
The world is going to be a different place for sure.
Keep safe and keep the faith. :cheers:
WCC.... I agree. Not sure where this is going to go. The TTi's came in and fit good. I was concerned about this but the shop called me over to come take a look. That is their policy , if the customer is close enough, they would like them to come by to see what they are doing. I am close enough and after all the crap that has happened I appreciate that. I went over and while I was there they found out the wrong gaskets were sent..... :pullinghair: When we ordered them, the shop called to confirm, and I did the same thing and they still send the wrong gaskets. We called them and they sent them out over night the next day but..... that was Friday so they will be there tomorrow. When I get it back I'll post a pic. One more item to be fixed then it can go to the dyno. Problem is the one item that needs to be addressed the shop admitted they know nothing about and they don't know who can tune and dyno it. So I will keep looking. At least the exhaust header and trans pan leaks will all be fixed. I can't wait to drive it. Wish I could get new mufflers at this point. The ones on there are really old and since they sat a long time rust dust cosntantly blows out when I push the throttle. There probably isn't anything left inside and they are a bit loud.