stallantis new Charger

[Skid Row]

So Horribly overpriced or a bargain?  Soon i guess the price will go up with the tariffs...thanks orange asshole! 

Well, he said yesterday he could care less if foreign car prices go up. What's a foreign car nowadays? Is there any country that sources and build everything in a car? I don't think so.
But...I'm hopeful trade people from all three NA countries get together in a room and discuss their differences rationally and logically like they did in 2018...that deal that is apparently a rip off for the USA now? I think something better than what is on the airwaves at the moment will be the end result.
I don't like the chap you refer to either but I prefer the term mango mussolini.

Very disappointed you two showed that level of immaturity.

[JH27N0B]

It's too bad this thread is getting some political namecalling introduced into it, especially since the tariff issue has little to nothing to do with whether or not the new Charger is a good idea or a swing and a miss.
Though I do a agree the tariff push is a swing and a miss, in what otherwise has been a good batting average so far the last couple months.
And I hope wiser heads will prevail, and energies will be focused on the more productive and popular policies than trade wars.
But regardless of what happens with that issue, the Charger is still going to end up a swing and miss in my opinion.  Maybe the ICE version will do OK especially if they put the hemi in it, but time will tell.
The front looks good but I think the designers missed the ball with the rear design, it looks like a hatchback to me!  A Charger needs a trunk in order to be an all-star.
The rear styling does bear a little resemblance to a 66-67, but it wasn't until the 68 redesign that the Charger really hit it out of the park.
I'll stop with the baseball references now....

[70vert]

I'm also not a big EV fan, but do think the focus on battery replacement cost is narrow minded. I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee with 6-cylinder engine the started "ticking" at about 50k miles. Not covered by warranty and quote to fix was about $4,000+ to replace just the cam & lifters. So instead I just bought a new JGC, I'm a sucker 

A quick AI search says that EV batteries last 10-20 years and cost $5,000 to $15,000. I'm sure they were way worse but progress is amazing. How much is a replacement Hemi cost these days??

[dodj]

Very disappointed you two showed that level of immaturity.
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Hey, don't take it too seriously.....I insult all politicians...
I honestly can't say I've seen any I would look up to. Except Winston Churchill.
Plus he said he wants to annex my country.....you can't expect me to respect or like a politician that says that.

[torredcuda]

My wives have owned many new cars but I have only owned two - an `83 Mustang GT and a `17 Ram, all the rest of my daily drivers were bought used so I don`t get the immediate drop in value when you drive off the lot in a brand new one. I buy mostly a few years old with fairly low miles, 25-35k and buy an extended warranty that lasts till 75-100k miles and when the warranty expires I trade them in so I never have any repair expenses, just oil changes, brakes and tires.

[dodj]

just oil changes, brakes and tires.

Buy that new charger and no oil changes.....save money like crazy...lol

[torredcuda]

just oil changes, brakes and tires.

Buy that new charger and no oil changes.....save money like crazy...lol

  I guess that is benefit of an EV but you have to charge it and the electricity cost in my state isn`t cheap so would negate the cost savings from not having to do oil changes. I wonder if there are there any added maintenance costs on an EV that an ICE vehicle doesn`t have?

[chargerdon]

Tires...  Most all EV's weigh at least a 1,000 or more lbs than an equivalent ICE.   The new Charger weighs 6,000 lbs.  So its tires will wear out faster and are more expensive than smaller tires. 

[mtull]

The new Charger weighs 6,000 lbs

Wow, I incorrectly assumed the battery packs/electric motors were comparable in weight to a vehicle with an ICU, gas tank and 12v battery.  I wouldn't be surprised if an honest/unbiased comparison between EV and fossil fuel burning cars with regards to manufacturing and supporting infrastructure showed a net loss with EV's.

[dodj]

just oil changes, brakes and tires.

Buy that new charger and no oil changes.....save money like crazy...lol

  I guess that is benefit of an EV but you have to charge it and the electricity cost in my state isn`t cheap so would negate the cost savings from not having to do oil changes. I wonder if there are there any added maintenance costs on an EV that an ICE vehicle doesn`t have?

There certainly are..from what I've read they are more expensive than ice vehicles in maintenance/repair. The extra repair cost comes from mechanics being unfamiliar with procedures so takes more time...but one cost that I didn't realize when looking for an EV (I ended up with ICE-more cost effective over 8,9 years) was their tires are more expensive...by quite a bit. EV's are much heavier so they need special tires which are more robustly built..hence more expensive.

[cuda hunter]

And tires don't last more than 5 or 6 years now. 
Tire stores won't even fix a nail hole if the tire is more than 6 years old.
So, more expensive tires that don't last to the tread depth. 
My tire guy told me yesterday that 14's and 15's will be unavailable for purchase within 5 years.  He also told me that the new tires are being made with 3.25 gallons of oil compared to 5 gallons of oil as of 10 years ago.  This lack of oil makes the tires dry rot much faster and need replaced within that 6 year time frame. 

Tesla is 100% made in America. 

As an American I could care less if we cancel all the foreign cars.  If we aren't being treated EQUALLY in tariff costs then you all in other countries can shove those cars up your tail pipes. 
  Maybe the "American" car companies can take a read from the tesla book and make their cars here in America and stop having them built elsewhere.
   
  The new charger is waaay over priced.   

[JH27N0B]

I looked online and tires for a Tesla cost around $1200 a set and last 20-40K miles.
Another thing to consider is the cost of installing a charger at your house.  You can just plug an EV into a household 120 outlet, but the charge rate is super slow.  Might get enough charge to drive a little over 20 miles after being plugged in overnight doing that.  A level 1 charger is much better to have, but there is an installation cost involved in that.  Depending on what electrical infrastructure you already have at home, that can cost thousands of dollars to buy and have an electrician come out and install at your house.  If you buy a new EV Charger, you might end up wanting to buy a new charger for your new Charger!
Or rely on going to charging stations, which to me as one who has spent decades enjoying the convienience of pulling into a gas station, filling up, and being back on the road again 5 minutes later, seems a time wasting pain in the butt having to sit there plugged in for 20 or 30 minutes getting recharged. https://evocharge.com/resources/the-difference-between-level-1-2-ev-chargers/?srsltid=AfmBOorSXka1kyszp_bPH4r8vmr2QUZKajkpwKfqHk93A9PVxNUP6TFM

[ec_co]

One reason for the big maintenance and repair expense is just a lack of trained technicians in high voltage electronics. It takes specialty EV shops with high cost tools and diagnostics equipment. If you live in or near a big metro area it's not as big of a deal, but if you are in even a medium size area it can be tough to find qualified technicians and shops.

[Bullitt-]

  Another factor to be considered when choosing a vehicle is the cost to insure. My personal experience with this was a decade ago realizing I was paying almost twice as much for a 2002 mini van vs a 1998 Mustang GT when I knew the latter had significantly greater value. My friend in the business said it was more about the companies "experience factor" saying the mini van probably had higher costs in losses possibly due to the number of occupants.

  I just went online to Nerdwallet and went through the process of getting a quote for a Polestar-3, MSRP:From $67,500, to a RAM 1500. The cost to insure was more than double.
  Then I found https://caredge.com/insurance, which wasn't as detailed but much quicker to use, & found that a Tesla 3 would run $716 more per year to insure vs the RAM 1500. I also know that all RAM 1500's are not created equally so a higher end model may have less of a difference.

[cuda hunter]

Something else to consider.

I live in a small town, 5K people.  Since the gobment gave my tax money to the EV experiment my little town has had power outages multiple times a week.  We did not have those issues for the last 20 years until these subsidies were imposed.
  Our infrastructure (American) can not handle even the current rate of EV's. 
    (I'm sure you canuck's have a better electrical infrastructure, right?).

And another thing, Here in a small town one of our two body shops won't touch your car if you don't have state farm and a very few select other insurance companies.  They won't work for your insurance company because they have been screwed by so many insurance companies.  I had a hot rod in the one shop ( collision shop but will do old cars).  They were glad about my State Farm.  But while in there two other people came in with different insurance, geico and the general and they were turned away.  Body shop doesn't need more work so they just turn away those with "cheap" insurance. 

  Insurance is a scam anyway.