Well after a swift kick in the pants (thanks Randy) and some encouragement from Cody, I finally decided to bring my act over here to EBO. Pretty much the same shtick as before. The primary focus are those E-bodies that left Hamtramck with a "R" engine code and a Hemi under the hood. Additionally those E-bodies that currently have a Hemi under the hood regardless of engine code may be included too (that means you Mike).
I have a lot of data - some complete with fender tag, build sheet and window sticker; and others nothing more than a VIN. Most all of it was gained from open sources in the public domain. If I use somebody's private or copyrighted material from the internet and I don't credit you, or you want it removed - just let me know.
I'm actually missing a lot more data than I have. So if you have some pics and info on a Hemi E-body and you want to share feel free to contribute - the more the merrier! After all, the whole idea of this thread is to celebrate these awe inspiring machines for what they are - the zenith of Mopar performance from the first muscle car era of the early 1970's. So if you have something to contribute - post it up!
August 1st 1969. It was my wife's 5th birthday and soon after that she went off to school. August 1st 1969 was also the "birthday" of the E-body and in particular the HemiCuda and Hemi Challenger RT. Soon after their birthday these Hemi powered E-bodies were "off to school" too, but on the streets and drag strips where they "schooled" the competition and established themselves as the apex predators at the top of the muscle car heap!
First up is the very first Hemi E-body. I know I covered this one before, but it's significance can not be over looked and warrants it being mentioned first ... again.
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There can be only one number one and BS23R0B100003 is thee first of about 704 1970 HemiCuda''s ever made. With such a low serial number it stands to reason that this car was a prototype or pilot car that was never intended to be sold to the public. As the HemiCuda prototype, the car stayed in the hands of Chrysler engineering for a year and a half before it was somehow sold off as "excess." The car passed thru five unsuspecting owners until Gary Dodane purchased it in 1983 from the boyfriend of his sister for less than $4,000.
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In 2012 after 29 years of ownership and the discovery of his car's significance, Gary decided to part ways with his very unique HemiCuda and listed it for sale for a whopping $3.3 million dollars! The car didn't sell. Five years later, in 2017 Gary has the car up for sale again but this time for only $3.2 million dollars! However, if you do not have that much extra cash that's okay as Gary is open to cash plus trades that include a rather odd selection of cars to include: a BMW Isetta or Messerschmidt KR200 three-wheelers, an Amphicar, a 1962 23-window Volkswagon Bus or a Limelight 1970 Plymouth Superbird!
For a good read on Gary and his unique HemiCuda, bang it here: http://www.streetmusclemag.com/features/car-features/muscle-cars-you-should-know-70-plymouth-hemi-cuda-1/ (http://www.streetmusclemag.com/features/car-features/muscle-cars-you-should-know-70-plymouth-hemi-cuda-1/)
Always a great thread on the other site. I think you should do it in VIN order here....just to keep it straight ;)
Funny you mention that Alan as I was actually thinking of trying to do something like that. I was actually thinking of trying to do it by month of production - August SPD cars in August, etc. I don't know if it can be done though, much of my data is incomplete with a lot of SPD and VIN "holes" in it. Might be worth giving it a go though and see how it works out.
I LOVE THIS THREAD! :banana: One of the all time best. :veryexcited: Thanks you so much for sharing these cars. I love seeing the rare beast. :worship:
:welcome: Hi Tom!! Took you long enough to venture over. Guess I didn't twist your arm hard enough. Glad to see you here. :cheers:
Welcome Tom! So glad you are doing this thread here!
Quote from: 303 Mopar on August 02, 2017, 08:57:28 PM
Welcome Tom! So glad you are doing this thread here!
:iagree:
Glad to see you here. Like many I love this thread!!! Thanks!!!
Love this thread too. :bravo:
Glad you came over here.
You went silent on it on the other forum and I was beginning to wonder what happened.
Well Well Welcome!!! :pokeeye: Really Glad you decided to join us!!! You don't have to give up on CC.com but Cody has put together a very cool site & I think you'll enjoy it.....And with this thread being reborn over here you should be sporting free E bodies.Org swag in no time........ :handshake:
Hooray! Welcome tom! Good to have you buddy!
I'll jump in !
Thanks for posting one of the best all time threads !
Love this thread. Yes keep em coming!!! :banana:
Thanks for sharing surprise it still haven't sold yet.
Quotesince it is the second known Hemi E-body assigned VIN made
I'd assume the elastomeric bumper guards were eliminated as a cost cutting measure, there would have been OPTIONAL front bumper guards for Barracuda/Gran Coupe in all the available bumper colors & additional inventory nightmares?
the magazine articles and early pics of 0B100010 had what appears to be base '69 BOSS 302 wheels on it (with trim rings)
hood pins seem to change position on the car from various pics & "photoshopped" wheels/tires
I find it ODD that Gran Coupe ended up with a black grill & argent tail panel VS. 'cuda with an argent grill & black tail panel :notsure:
I guess they finally got it correct on the AAR'cuda, black - front & rear :twothumbsup:
can we "assume" these are pics of 0B100010 in September '69's HOT ROD magazine with 1969 Fury 15" wheel covers, no stripes & Barracuda fender script? (chrome bumper guards & black tail panel?)
here are more pics from September '69 Sports Car Graphic & a few from the '70 CARS - a model year introduction magazine
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I'll get on my buddy again for some more pics of the 100010 Cuda from when he restored it. I know he has a bunch of photos.
Great to learn about that red Promo-Cuda, Tom, thanks!
4 questions/hinds from my side:
1) also no " 'Cuda" batch on the tail panel!
2) rear window-molding is flat-black. I am not sure, but didn't have all the production cars a rear window-molding in chromed/stainless finish?
3) May this car be a Hemi-Cuda with the GranCoupé-Package? Maybe also with overhead console? Interiour pictures would be of help...
4) Don't wanna offend nobody, but I tought I learned that you cannot tell from the VIN-sequence-#, that this is the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 824th etc. built car, as the cars were not built in order of VIN-sequence. There is another sequence-#, which is on the far left on top of a buildsheet, that reflects the real manufacturing-order on the assembly line and that other sequence-# differs to the VIN-sequence-#. Or was this a car with a "job build number" that states it as "job 2", so one can tell from this, that it is the 2nd Hemi-Cuda built? Did I get anything wrong? Again: don't wanna offend anybody!
I wish I had a real Hemi Cuda. Great thread!
Quote from: TobiasM on August 06, 2017, 03:41:29 AM
Don't wanna offend nobody, but I tought I learned that you cannot tell from the VIN-sequence-#, that this is the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 824th etc. built car, as the cars were not built in order of VIN-sequence. There is another sequence-#, which is on the far left on top of a buildsheet, that reflects the real manufacturing-order on the assembly line and that other sequence-# differs to the VIN-sequence-#. Or was this a car with a "job build number" that states it as "job 2", so one can tell from this, that it is the 2nd Hemi-Cuda built? Did I get anything wrong? Again: don't wanna offend anybody!
You are correct (as far as I know). After the pilot car 100003, it is generally assumed that this public relations car was the second one made. However, without seeing the build sheet, the exact order of build is unknown to me. Thanks for your input!
Tom, Thanks cor confirmation on my thought.
The next August built car we have is a really mysterious one. Mysterious in that it is an enigma, a ghost, a "unicorn" if you will. It is believed to have really existed, yet little evidence of it's being has ever been discovered. We're talking about none other than the enigmatic BS27R0B100012 HemiCuda convertible which is also known as "the flat-hood HemiCuda".
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So little is know about this car because frankly nobody has seen it. What few pictures exist of it are early Chrysler promotional advertising photos from 1969/1970 and a few others from from that time period (no doubt about the time period - just look at those outfits the guy and the girl are wearing!).
While searching for more information on this car, I came upon a contribution by Ola Nilsson to Wes Eisenschenk's book "Lost Muscle Cars". Here are a couple of paraphrased excerpts by Ola from Wes' book:
"To the collector of rare muscle cars, a 1970 HemiCuda convertible is, indeed a prized catch. To date, 13 of the 14 U.S. spec cars have been found and accounted for. Colors, options, data plate codes, broadcast sheets, history and more have been documented for each of those cars. That leaves one 1970 HemiCuda convertible that is unaccounted for. It is believed to be the first HemiCuda convertible ever built. I have found a probable VIN: BS27R0B100012."
Ola continues ...
"Very few facts are known about this particular car. It has an automatic transmission, Ivy-Green-Metallic exterior paint code EF8, and green interior code H6F8. Studying the photos and magazine articles from 1969, I can determine options from this car. Some of them are A21 Front Elastomeric Bumper Group, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, P31 Power Windows, P37 Power Convertible Top, R11 AM Radio and a Y91 Show Car Finish. Several odd things that may be due to the pre-production status are a flat hood (instead of the standard Shaker hood for the HemiCuda), the absence of the M25 Wide Sill Moldings, and a partial horn-ring steering wheel."
Ola closes out by saying ...
"Some of the history that is rumored about this missing HemiCuda convertible is the following: The car lost it's Hemi engine and it was replaced by a Slant-6 in the mid 1970's. This car might be in Ohio, or Texas. Someone once talked to a guy who owned this car in the 1980's. The last report is that this car was rusty. If you have any information about this car or have heard any rumors, please contact me."
As a HemiCuda convertible, like all of the other Hemi E-body convertibles, it would be a Holy-Grail find worth BIG $$$ if it were found. As such, Ola is not the only one looking for it. Numerous ads by various Holy-Grail seekers can periodically be found in Hemmings, Mopar Collector's Guide and other places. Here is an example.
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When it comes to this car it's hard not to be skeptical. Other than the guy who talked to another guy who claimed to have owned it in the 1980's (??), nobody has actually seen it in person. Of course being that it is worth so much, it could be another situation like that which surrounded the 1971 HemiCuda convertible now owned by Wade Ogle. In that situation a prior owner hid it and sat on it for nearly 30 years before he finally let go of it. However, in that situation, there was adequate evidence that the car existed, and a small handful of people actually knew where it was. Money drives everything. With the astronomical seven-figure prices that these cars now demand, if someone was sitting on 100012 waiting for their ship to come in, surely they would have boarded that boat and set sail by now. However, for 100012 that hasn't happened. So it begs the question, does it really exist, or is it just a ... unicorn?
Likely then this was the first one to wear the Cuda on the tail panel.
Man, how cool would it be if that car was found. Even if it wasn't a real Hemi, just being able to find 100012 would answer so many questions. Any chance the factory just put a Hemi decal on rear quarter? Have you heard any new news about the car Ola?
@cudaized (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cudaized_212)
I know it has been asked, but I don't know if I've seen a confirmed answer .....
Will a HEMI & air cleaner fit under a flat hood?
That's exactly what I was thinking. :yes:
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 08, 2017, 11:05:51 PM
Will a HEMI & air cleaner fit under a flat hood?
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 08, 2017, 11:05:51 PM
I know it has been asked, but I don't know if I've seen a confirmed answer .....
Will a HEMI & air cleaner fit under a flat hood?
Dan,
don't have any firsthand "HEMI with flat hood"-experiences on e-bodies, but Ma Mopar had quite a few cars with very flat hoods and the HEMI underneath...b-bodies of both 66-67 and 68-70 periods come to my mind as such cars.
But I agree with
@Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1) : your question is very worth thinking/considering of! :bigthumb: :thinking:
@RzeroB (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rzerob_126) : Thanks for putting a spotlight on that "unicorn"-Hemi-convertible, Tom!
Will a Hemi even fit underneath a flat E-body hood?? Did the Chrysler Public Relations group "doctor-up" a non-Hemi 'vert for a photo shoot?? All very good questions. Also note Ola's choice of the word "probable" in describing the VIN - "I have found a probable VIN: BS27R0B100012." I don't really know what he implies by using the word "probable," but it's all very intriguing.
I really have no idea whether or not you could get a flat hood to close over a Hemi. I was always under the belief that Chrysler couldn't even get the "double-bubble" 'Cuda hood to close over a Hemi and that was the reason the Shaker hood was standard on the HemiCudas.
The flat hood and whether it would close over a Hemi leads to the second question - is it possible that a non-Hemi 'vert was "doctored-up" by the Public Relations group for a photo shoot? You have a flat hood that may not close over a Hemi. Then notice that Ola said that it did not have the M25 wide "gill" sill moldings. Together a flat hood and no wide sill moldings is indicative of it being a BH car.
All of the pictures of this car that I have seen have emphasized the rear-end of the car. It is the first car to have what became the "standard" 'Cuda tail panel configuration of a black tail panel with the "Cuda" emblem on the right hand side. Just two VINs before it 100010 had an Argent tail panel with no "Cuda" emblem. Could it be that the Public Relations group "doctored-up" up a BH car with what would be the "new" tail panel treatment for the BS 'Cuda and wanted to emphasize it in a photo shoot?
All pure speculation I know. Ola has a lot more information on this car and somehow he came up with that VIN and connected it to this car. So until this car shows up, if it ever shows up, we can just continue to assume that this car is indeed the "flat hood HemiCuda" 'vert BS27R0B100012.
Two more oddities I just realized when I looked at the two pics of the green "unicorn-Hemi-CV":
1) Very strange wheels or at least strange rims...maybe even hubcabs? Does also look like 14" to me though all Hemis should have had 15" tires either on steelies or rallye rims.
2) Y91 "show car finish" seems to be not the case, just look at how misalligned the passenger-side exhaust tip is..visible on both pics, visible best on the second photo.
Edit: maybe even three oddities:
3) No rallye-instruments! Weren't all BS or at least the HemiCudas with the rallye-cluster, just as every Challenger R/T was?
these first HEMI E-bodies would be pre-production "PILOT" cars - built before actual production car builds started in August of '69.
with lead times for magazines - the pictures would predate the magazine's date by 4-weeks PLUS - 9/69 magazine pics are taken May/June/July '69
the original 440+6 "F440 HP" engines in 0B100004 & 0B100021 were assembled in May '69
https://forum.e-bodies.org/cuda-and-challenger-general-discussion/2/1970-early-built-pilot-e-bodies/2871/
Quote from: TobiasM on August 09, 2017, 02:02:42 PM
Two more oddities I just realized when I looked at the two pics of the green "unicorn-Hemi-CV":
1) Very strange wheels or at least strange rims...maybe even hubcabs? Does also look like 14" to me though all Hemis should have had 15" tires either on steelies or rallye rims.
they are 15" 1969 Fury wheel covers also seen on 0B100010 in the 9/69 HOT ROD article I attached above
2) Y91 "show car finish" seems to be not the case, just look at how misalligned the passenger-side exhaust tip is..visible on both pics, visible best on the second photo.
an assumption based on the fender tags of other "PILOT" Mopars that were used in advertising/promotional purposes
Edit: maybe even three oddities:
3) No rallye-instruments! Weren't all BS or at least the HemiCudas with the rallye-cluster, just as every Challenger R/T was?
the A62 rallye instrument cluster was OPTIONAL on 'cuda "BS" & STANDARD on Challenger R/T "JS"
Quote from: RzeroB on August 09, 2017, 09:37:14 AM
Then notice that Ola said that it did not have the M25 wide "gill" sill moldings. Together a flat hood and no wide sill moldings is indicative of it being a BH car.
I agree on the flat hood speculation, but the lack of M25 does not necessarily indicate it being a BH car. :alan2cents:
Tom
One of the main differences between JS & BS cars is the gauges , all JS cars had ralley gauges std , BS was cost extra
I see 000124 , I think
JS23R1B100243 :rubeyes: VIN is not on the '71 e-body "PILOT" cars' fender tags
bottom line is: E74 D32 JS23 CAR 000124
:thinking: IIRC CAR = Chrysler Automotive Research & the 000124 would be similar to the "JOB NUMBER" on the '70 cars
That's a cool car. :inlove: Oh ya!!!!
Here is the fender tag, since it was out in the open at Carlisle...
It's what my car looked like, new, with louvers and spoilers, but minus the Shaker.. and Hemi!
Ben
This beautiful '70 Cuda was the E-body and Best of Show winner at the Colorado Mopar Show. It was painted FM3 early on and used for marketing, possibly by BFG according to the owner, who said he has a lot of examples of ads and posters the car appeared on. The current owner bought the car and restored it back to the tags and build sheet but left the trunk pink for show.
Quote from: RzeroB on August 15, 2017, 06:09:17 PM
Not only was it used to make the BF Goodrich "pink" HemiCuda ads, but it was also a three time World of Wheels champion from 1984-1986. Pretty cool stuff!!
The owner was telling me it was the BFG pink Cuda, but I thought there was the pink T/A and the sublime Cuda for the BFG banners. Has anyone seen a pink Cuda BFG banner?
Quote from: 303 Mopar on August 15, 2017, 08:41:24 PM
Quote from: RzeroB on August 15, 2017, 06:09:17 PM
Not only was it used to make the BF Goodrich "pink" HemiCuda ads, but it was also a three time World of Wheels champion from 1984-1986. Pretty cool stuff!!
The owner was telling me it was the BFG pink Cuda, but I thought there was the pink T/A and the sublime Cuda for the BFG banners. Has anyone seen a pink Cuda BFG banner?
That's what I thought too :dunno:
Quote from: RzeroB on August 14, 2017, 08:04:39 PMHemi Challenger RT "pilot car" was created for the 1971 model year. This EL5 Butterscotch beauty
I don't have the VIN for this car even though it is right there in front of me in the picture. The blow up of the fender tag on the display board is tantalizingly close to being legible, but I just can't make it out. If I relax my eyes, it almost looks like "100134?" That's my guess - can anyone see that better than me?
Quote from: RzeroB on August 15, 2017, 06:09:17 PM
As for the Butterscotch Challenger, it obviously has a lot of plus-factors going for it - it's a Challenger, Hemi, Shaker, leather interior, etc. But one thing I really like on it is are the wheels. Body-colored "steelies" with the prerequisite "dog-dish" hubcaps AND the polished beauty rings - I really like that look! How would that be coded on a buildsheet - having the beauty rings added that is??
W12
I've seen a few.
:lookatthat: W12 for the hubcaps and trim rings. Cool 8) Thanks Ola :wave:
A '71 only thing? I like it a lot. To me it's a big improvement over the plain "steelies" with hubcaps. Without the trim rings and depending on the body color, its too much color on the wheels for me. With the hubcaps and trim rings you get a touch of body color on the wheels that nicely complements the color on the body. I like it a lot. :yes:
yes, it appears the OPTIONAL W12 was 1971 ONLY, but it was the STANDARD (un-coded) set-up on a '70 T/A Challenger
& besides the "PILOT" HEMI R/T the OPTION used black wheels exclusively
Black only? The hubcap and trim ring wheels didn't switch over from body color to black mid-year like the straight "steelies" did??
yes W12 wheels were black only all year
Black only? Well that kind of takes the fun out of it :tired:
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 16, 2017, 02:48:13 PM
, but it was the STANDARD (un-coded) set-up on a '70 T/A Challenger
So that be the polished ring for 70???
One last look at 100243 before we move on ...
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It's hard for me to make out, but on the bottom of the right hand display placard, does it say "sold by the Chrysler corp at the ???? 1974 Chrysler auction" (or something to that effect?)?? So if I am reading that correctly, this particular car was retained by Chrysler after it's duty as a pilot car, stashed somewhere on company grounds and then sold 3-4 years later as excess at a company auction in 1974??
Sold by the Chrysler Corp. at the mid 1971 Chrysler auction. Sold to Shamski Dodge in Ionia, Michigan.
Restored in December of 1983.
Ah ha! I can see it now! Thanks for the clarification. :thankyou:
Anyone have any history on this cool Hemi I saw today? Looked to even have the original tires on it.
VIN BS23R0B226991
Quote from: Cuda Cody on August 20, 2017, 09:32:09 PM
Anyone have any history on this cool Hemi I saw today? Looked to even have the original tires on it.
VIN BS23R0B226991
One of the CANADA spec. hemi'cudas
01/07/70 scheduled
09/30/69 2944450 wheel
late Aug. '70 Polyglas GT
I'd guess "well restored" with REAL parts, not necessarily original to the car :notsure:
Quote from: fc7cuda on August 16, 2017, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 16, 2017, 02:48:13 PM
, but it was the STANDARD (un-coded) set-up on a '70 T/A Challenger
So that be the polished ring for 70???
there are persistent rumors that "TRANS AM" cars used the brushed trim rings, but I haven't seen any b'cast sheets as proof to back that up :notsure:
broadcast sheet codes under "WHEEL COVER":43 = 34610
43 - polished 15x7.0" trim ring * found on most 1970 15" & W21 broadcast sheets
22 = 34610
22 - brushed 15x7.0" trim ring * found on second 1/2 of production 15" & W21 Superbirds AND 1971 15" & W21 broadcast sheets
25 = ??? * found on 1970 T/A Challengers w/450 wheels-hub caps-trim rings
22 = 34610
22 - brushed 15x7.0" trim rings * found on '71 'cuda w/450 wheels-hub caps-trim rings (W12)
46 = ??? * found on 1971 Charger w/450 wheels-hub caps-trim rings (W12)
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 20, 2017, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: fc7cuda on August 16, 2017, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 16, 2017, 02:48:13 PM
, but it was the STANDARD (un-coded) set-up on a '70 T/A Challenger
So that be the polished ring for 70???
there are persistent rumors that "TRANS AM" cars used the brushed trim rings, but I haven't seen any b'cast sheets as proof to back that up :notsure:
broadcast sheet codes under "WHEEL COVER":
43 = 3461043 - polished 15x7.0" trim ring * found on most 1970 15" & W21 broadcast sheets
22 = 3461022 - brushed 15x7.0" trim ring * found on second 1/2 of production 15" & W21 Superbirds AND 1971 15" & W21 broadcast sheets
25 = ??? * found on 1970 T/A Challengers w/450 wheels-hub caps-trim rings
22 = 3461022 - brushed 15x7.0" trim rings * found on '71 'cuda w/450 wheels-hub caps-trim rings (W12)
46 = ??? * found on 1971 Charger w/450 wheels-hub caps-trim rings (W12)
FWIW I know a guy here in town who's owned his T/A since around 74, an original 450 wheel car & it had brushed rings when he got it....
I also know of an original owner T/A in a nearby town also a 450 wheel car & also wears it's original brushed trim rings...
Quote from: Cuda Cody on August 20, 2017, 09:32:09 PM
Anyone have any history on this cool Hemi I saw today? Looked to even have the original tires on it.
VIN BS23R0B226991
Knew of it, but never seen it ... before today ... thanks Cody!! :bigthumb:
1 of only 2 sold new in Saskatchewan. The other being the TX9 auto 221317.
So where did you come across this one ... who's the lucky owner ... what else about it could you share?? :please:
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on August 20, 2017, 10:55:23 PM
FWIW I know a guy here in town who's owned his T/A since around 74, an original 450 wheel car & it had brushed rings when he got it....
I also know of an original owner T/A in a nearby town also a 450 wheel car & also wears it's original brushed trim rings...
I believe that was the case with the STANDARD set-up on a Challenger T/A
One of the problems with trim rings, wheel covers & hub caps is that they arrived at the dealership in the trunk of the car. Many dealerships removed them at "pre-delivery inspection" (PDI) & instead of installing them, placed them in storage 'til the car was sold (to prevent theft or other reasons?) and the "correct" parts were not always installed at a later date.
Saw it today at a car show. The owner (who I think said his name was Stu) bought it off the original owners wife (or brother?). He said she kept the build sheet and will not give it to him.
The TX9 column shift auto Hemi Cuda you mentioned was purchased by the brother of the person that originally purchased the purple one. Yes, both sold new in Saskatchewan. They each bought a Hemi Cuda brand new. One got a purple and one got a black one. The guy told me that when the original owner of the purple Hemi Cuda ordered the car he did not want the shaker hood. He argued with the dealer to try to get him to place the order without the shaker hood. The dealer said he would swap it out once it got to the dealer. But when the Hemi Cuda showed up at the dealer they told him it would be another $500 to change out the shaker so he said just leave the shaker on it.
Quote from: RzeroB on August 20, 2017, 10:59:28 PM
Knew of it, but never seen it ... before today ... thanks Cody!! :bigthumb:
1 of only 2 sold new in Saskatchewan. The other being the TX9 auto 221317.
So where did you come across this one ... who's the lucky owner ... what else about it could you share?? :please:
Yes, that's Stewart Smiths car from Woods Lake B.C. Nice car. here's the tag. What Stew told Cody about the cars history is accurate. The original owner drag raced it in it's early days and kept it pretty much stock other than headers and slicks, it was never rusty, wrecked, or beat up, he kept it nice. The original wheels were MIA due to the racing so as Dan surmised, those are replacements.
Thanks Scott! :thankyou:
All the buzz about the recent solar eclipse got me thinking about something else that created a lot of "buzz" - the Yellow Jacket!! What's one got to do with the other?? Both were created in August. Both are (were) yellow and then black at some point ... ok, it's a stretch!! Anyway, I know we touched on the Yellow Jacket before, but since it is an August car, I'm posting it up ... again ... so bear with me.
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JS27R0B100022 was the first of what would be only 12 Hemi Challenger R/T convertibles ever made. Originally the car was a loaded triple-black (TX9 Black with a black leather interior and a black top) 4-speed car and reportedly the only one of the 12 to come from the factory with a Shaker hood scoop. It never made it to a dealership. When it rolled off the assembly line, Chrysler retained it and sent it off to be transformed into a factory concept car which at first was the Yellow-Jacket which later morphed into the Diamante.
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The Yellow Jacket two-seat concept Chrysler show car on display at one of the big auto trade shows (Detroit? New York? Chicago?) in late 1969. Word had it that the female models Chrysler hired to show the car garnered more attention than the car itself!! Note the rear deck wing / spoiler how it is adjustable and appears to be deployed in the "up" position.
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The original Yellow Jacket did not create enough consumer buzz for Chrysler on the 1969 show car circuit, So in 1970 Chrysler decided to do a more extensive remodeling of the Yellow-Jacket and the end result was the Diamante show car as shown here.
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The Candy Tangerine Diamante shown here is the same car as the Pearl White one. The original Pearl White Diamante's paint was damaged in transit to a car show and the car was subsequently repainted in the Candy Tangerine shown here. Note how the tail lights look very similar to those that would be on the '72-'74 Challengers. The Diamante continued to tour the show car circuit through 1970 and into 1971 before it was retired. Chrysler placed the car into storage for several years before it was finally auctioned off in 1978. The car eventually found its way into the hands of noted Mopar restoration specialist and collector Steve Juliano.
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Steve Juliano had owned this unique car for a very long time and it was one of the centerpieces of his very remarkable collection. When Bob Ashton put on the extraordinary Hemi E-body convertible invitational at the 2015 MCACN show, the Diamante was notably absent. Steve Juliano had brought parts of his collection to MCACN shows before (the picture below is of it at the 2011 MCACN show), but some reason the Diamante skipped the big Hemi E-body gathering in Chicago.
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I later found out from a very knowledgeable source (who owns some exceptional Hemi E-bodies himself), that Steve Juliano no longer owned the car and that he sold it in a private transaction. What?? That was certainly kept on the down-low!! Who exactly owns it, and where it is my source didn't say. I hope that it "surfaces" again somewhere as I would love to see it in person ... maybe someday??
Here is a good little read on the Yellow Jacket / Diamante http://www.moparwiki.com/index.php?title=1970_Dodge_Diamante_Show_Car (http://www.moparwiki.com/index.php?title=1970_Dodge_Diamante_Show_Car)
I hope it resurfaces again soon. Such a cool car!
I believe the Diamante currently resides with Daroo II & Supercharger :thinking: other DODGE 2-seaters
The first time I saw the Diamante was on a Hemi poster (same one we all had back in the 1980's). Around 1984 I lived in Mesa Arizona and I visited a Classic car dealer in Scottsdale, his name was Leo Gephart (RIP). I didn't realize it at the time but he was a true classic car pioneer. He was a super nice guy and let me test drive a B5 blue 1969 Hemi automatic Road Runner he had for sale. I was still in my early 20's and I admitted to him that I couldn't afford it (around $7,500.00 at the time) and that I just loved Hemis and wanted to drive it. He graciously said "no problem" and tossed me the keys! Cool guy for sure. Anyway, at the time he owned the Diamante and it was still painted orange. What a magnificent car it was! Years later around 2005 I got the chance to see it again at Steve Julianos place in California, now painted white, sure was cool to see again after all those years, I'm sure Steve chose a good home for it, he really liked it.
Quote from: ScottSmith_Harms on August 24, 2017, 06:23:50 PM
The first time I saw the Diamante was on a Hemi poster (same one we all had back in the 1980's).
I never had that poster ... I don't think I have ever even seen it before until now. :crying:
Quote from: ScottSmith_Harms on August 24, 2017, 06:23:50 PM
Around 1984 I lived in Mesa Arizona and I visited a Classic car dealer in Scottsdale, his name was Leo Gephart (RIP). He was a super nice guy and let me test drive a B5 blue 1969 Hemi automatic Road Runner he had for sale. I was still in my early 20's and I admitted to him that I couldn't afford it (around $7.500.00 at the time) and that I just loved Hemis and wanted to drive it. He graciously said "no problem" and tossed me the keys! Cool guy for sure. Anyway, at the time he owned the Diamante and it was still painted orange. What a magnificent car it was!
So that's Leo?? He must of really liked you to toss you the keys to the Hemi Road Runner!! :banana: Or maybe it was a preemptive move so you wouldn't ask to test drive the Diamante!! :haha:
Thanks for your contribution Scott ... love hearing little back stories like this!! :bigthumb:
I had that poster....I might still have it rolled up somewhere :thinking:
Quote from: anlauto on August 25, 2017, 11:47:25 AM
I had that poster....I might still have it rolled up somewhere :thinking:
Same here!
Quote from: anlauto on August 25, 2017, 11:47:25 AM
I had that poster....I might still have it rolled up somewhere :thinking:
Me too, spent a lot of time dreaming about that Challenger and Superbird! :D
I remember seeing the EL5 71 Cuda convertible just driving around the show field at the Nats and freaking out.....That's the "poster car"...I remember saying :banana:
I have that poster too, :banana: Owned the 64 for awhile and saw the 69 500 a lot since it's local. :alan2cents:
Speaking of that poster,does anyone know if Allan Decker still owns that 1971 Hemi Cuda convertible. Years ago I was told by one of his snowmobile racing buddies that he had sold it but last week at the Moparfest I was told he still owned it??? :notsure:
the EL5 hemi'cuda convertible has been with an owner in the pacific northwest for 10+ years
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 26, 2017, 10:15:19 AM
the EL5 hemi'cuda convertible has been with an owner in the pacific northwest for 10+ years
I had it down as still being with Allen, but I guess not since Allen is from Wisconsin ...
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 26, 2017, 10:15:19 AM
the EL5 hemi'cuda convertible has been with an owner in the pacific northwest for 10+ years
Pacific Northwest you say?? Perhaps Brush Prairie WA?? I knew it!!
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 26, 2017, 10:15:19 AM
the EL5 hemi'cuda convertible has been with an owner in the pacific northwest for 10+ years
I was disappointed when it wasn't at MCACN 2015 :'(
Quote from: anlauto on August 26, 2017, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 26, 2017, 10:15:19 AM
the EL5 hemi'cuda convertible has been with an owner in the pacific northwest for 10+ years
I was disappointed when it wasn't at MCACN 2015 :'(
:iagree:
QuotePacific Northwest you say?? Perhaps Brush Prairie WA?? I knew it!!
No. And it's not coming out to play any time soon. It is comfortably resting. 😳
Mopar Nationals 1988
That's about as nice of a view of that car as you are going to see. :vipermanhiding:
On the other hand, that's what I really like about guys like Wade Ogle, Tom Lembeck and Dave Blake (and maybe even the enigmatic "The Brothers"?). Although their cars are extremely rare and valuable, they don't squirrel them away and hide them. On the contrary, they bring them out, show them off, drive them and seem to genuinely enjoy sharing them with other enthusiasts. You just got to love those guys for doing that otherwise we would never see any of these amazing cars because they would all be squirreled away somewhere. :bigthumb:
The previous posts about the EL5 HemiCuda 'vert created a great segue to move on to that car next. However, since it isn't an "August baby" let's save that one for another day. In my previous post I did mention Wade Ogle as being one of "the good guys" and as it turns out Wade does have an "August baby" in his collection. So without further ado, here is Wade's Mr Norms '71 Hemi Challenger RT JS23R1B108804.
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Love these pics of the car! The Challenger looks really "mean" and aggressive - like it will devour anything in front of it - something that I'm sure it probably did do on more than one occasion!
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In the fall of 1970, Mr Norm's Grand Spaulding Dodge ordered a "batch" (reportedly seven cars?) of similarly equipped Hemi Challenger RT's. This Mr Norm's "Super Challenger" was very much purpose built with speed and performance taking precedence over comfort and convenience. This one is equipped with the A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana rear axle pkg, A45 Aero (spoiler) pkg, and B51 Power Disc Brakes and a N96 Shaker hood.
Although the original owner went all-in to get the ultimate Challenger, he only kept it for about a year. In the fall of 1971 he sold the car to a friend. The friend, preserved the car and put it into storage where it sat for 35 years before emerging and hitting the streets again in 2006! Here is the RM Auctions listing from 2012. It makes for an excellent read on some of the history of this car.
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Pretty cool story behind this car. I love the look of the Six-Pack hood on this car - looks really aggressive with it on there! Today, it's hard to imagine anyone saying to a dealer "toss the Shaker and put a Six-Pack hood on it for me would you?" But apparently that's just what the original owner did ... or did he??
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According to Wade, that part of this car's legend is incorrect. After acquiring the car, Wade managed to track down the original owner Charles "Chuck" Starr, (pretty cool unto itself) and among other things, got the real "scoop" on how the Six-Pack hood wound up on the car. Apparently, one day Chuck had the car parked in his driveway and was giving the car a tune-up. He removed the Shaker bubble and set it aside next to the car on the driveway while he worked on the carbs. His friend then accidentally backed his Jeep over the Shaker bubble crushing it flat!! It was beyond saving, so Chuck just tossed the crushed bubble in the trash. He then went and bought the chrome air cleaners (with some spacers to raise them up some) and put them on the car so the filters were poking up through the Shaker hood. Later on in the fall, with winter weather approaching and the air filters all exposed, he removed the Shaker hood and installed the Six-Pack hood to cover the exposed air cleaners up. As Paul Harvey would say ... "and that's the rest of the story". A big kudos to Wade for sharing that interesting detail about the car. :ohyeah:
Thanks Tom! And as usual excellent job in featuring the car, you've got it all right. In fact a few years ago, after I located him, I had the distinct pleasure of meeting the original owner, Mr. Starr, in person, and reunite him with his old ride. This took place when I brought the car out to MCACN, and in preparation for the show I asked Chuck to come out and hang for a bit. While he could only stay for a short time it was great fun to get some pics with him sitting in the driver's seat once again!
- Wade
Being that this next car is an August car I wanted to get it posted up last Thursday, August 31st, but I was having some problems with the Photobucket site. Although it is now September, I decided to post this car up anyway since it has some significance to it. Better late than never, I present to you BS23R1B100378
Here is a "back in the day" pic of 100378 - note the "Oct 72" license plate.
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And here is a more recent pic - although I don't know for sure just when this pic was taken. Just look how that Sassy-Grass, or should I say "Sassy-Glass", just glows!!
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The brand new appearing H6F7 interior.
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And King-Kong hisself residing within the immaculate engine compartment.
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And then the fender tag which Scott Harms-Smith had originally posted up over on Moparts.
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Like the Butterscotch 1971 Hemi Challenger RT posted earlier in this thread, this car has a "CAR xxxxxx" number on the tag in lieu of the VIN sequence number. I don't know what exactly "CAR" stood for, but I have heard some refer to it as "Chrysler Automotive Research" Anyway, the car was built and held by Chrysler to go on the show car circuit promoting the new 1971 models (note the "Y93 show car finish" code on the tag - along with the mysterious V26 - that code has a lot of people guessing). When it was done showing off, it was put away in storage, probably to be held and later auctioned off like the Butterscotch Challenger.
However, it never made it to auction.
The story is that very late in the '71 model year, a person went to Burton Motors in Lee's Summit Missouri with the intention of ordering a brand new HemiCuda. The buyer's order was taken and the dealership sent it off to corporate only to be told that the factory wasn't going to build anymore Hemi E-bodies that late in the model year (for some reason, the '71 Hemi E-body production did not go into July like it did with the '70 model year, but stopped more than a month earlier in mid-June). I don't know exactly how it happened, but the buyer persisted so the dealership made some calls, someone in the corporate chain identified this car sitting in storage, some strings were pulled and this car was dusted off and released to Burton Motors and then sold to the persistent buyer. Score!! In doing so, this car is itself kind of "bookends" in that it was the first '71 HemiCuda built and then wound up being one of the, if not thee, last '71 HemiCuda sold.
Sassy Grass :inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :yes: That is about as good as it gets.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on September 04, 2017, 08:48:42 AM
Sassy Grass :inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :yes: That is about as good as it gets.
I agree and I also love the green interior! :bigthumb:
I really dig the black shaker with the white. :inlove:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on September 08, 2017, 07:40:04 PM
I really dig the black shaker with the white. :inlove:
:iagree: Color contrast is awesome!
Quote from: RzeroB on September 13, 2017, 11:46:23 PM
It all started with this car BS27R1B126869 which was scheduled to be built on Sep 9th 1970.
here's an ad for it from '72, not even 2 years old & it needed new Polyglas GTs :twothumbsup: and the new mags looked like this, just like the '71 Indy pace car Challenger
White looks great on an e-Body!!!
Anyone like black on an E-body?? Of course we do!! Our next September born car is also a '71, but this one is a hardtop ... and it is finished in TX9 Black Formal. Here we have BS23R1B125185, 1 of only 107 hardtops made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed.
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From it's Fender Tag we can see that this HemiCuda came equipped with the nice SRX9 black leather interior, A34 Super-Track-Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauges Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G11 Tinted Glass and G33 Chrome Remote Control LH Sport Mirror among other things. This is a very nicely equipped car!!
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This HemiCuda still retains it's original numbers matching driveline but the same can't exactly be said for all of it's body. At some time in the 1970's the car was damaged in a garage fire and per it's 2011 sales ad it was to some extent "rebodied" to repair the fire damage. Very similar to another '71 HemiCuda that was heavily damaged in a garage fire in 1999 and is currently one of the featured restorations on Graveyard Carz
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Near the recent peak of muscle car prices in 2006-2007, this HemiCuda sold at a Barrett-Jackson auction for a whopping $648,000 even despite it being a partially "rebodied" car.
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Five years later after the economic "adjustment", this same car sold again at a Barrett-Jackson auction for a relatively low price of $117.7K - a drop in value of over a half-million dollars!! Ouch!! That had to hurt!!
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WOW, that was a big drop on price. But it would not matter to me if I owned it.... I would just love to drive that car and would be so proud to own it I would not care what it was worth. Very cool car.
Quote from: RzeroB on September 19, 2017, 06:45:11 PM
Anyone like black on an E-body?? Of course we do!! Our next September born car is also a '71, but this one is a hardtop ... and it is finished in TX9 Black Formal. Here we have BS23R1B125185, 1 of only 107 hardtops made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed.
This HemiCuda still retains it's original numbers matching driveline but the same can't exactly be said for all of it's body. At some time in the 1970's the car was damaged in a garage fire and per it's 2011 sales ad it was to some extent "rebodied" to repair the fire damage.
Near the recent peak of muscle car prices in 2006-2007, this HemiCuda sold at a Barrett-Jackson auction for a whopping $648,000 even despite it being a partially "rebodied" car.
Five years later after the economic "adjustment", this same car sold again at a Barrett-Jackson auction for a relatively low price of $117.7K - a drop in value of over a half-million dollars!! Ouch!! That had to hurt!!
The previous owner actually had 2 Hemicudas burn in the storage fire, it was local to me and he saved the twisted/warped shaker emblem. It was sad to see. :crying:
Love that Hemi Cuda in Black!!
If I have my info right (and if I don't KissAlien will be quick to correct me! :pokeeye: ), oddly enough a color-matched grille was NOT available with black from the factory. You could get a color-matched grille for Autumn-Bronze or Sherwood-Green, but NOT for black. Always thought that was kind of odd?? :looney:
Quote from: fc7cuda on September 20, 2017, 05:32:16 AM
The previous owner actually had 2 Hemicudas burn in the storage fire, it was local to me and he saved the twisted/warped shaker emblem. It was sad to see. :crying:
:o OMG!! That's doubly tragic!! :'(
Fortunately this black one (125185) was able to be salvaged ... how about the other one?? Was it a '71 also, or a '70?? Hope it wasn't a total loss. Any details you can share Tom?? Thanks!!
:popcorn:
Quote from: RzeroB on September 20, 2017, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: fc7cuda on September 20, 2017, 05:32:16 AM
The previous owner actually had 2 Hemicudas burn in the storage fire, it was local to me and he saved the twisted/warped shaker emblem. It was sad to see. :crying:
:o OMG!! That's doubly tragic!! :'(
Fortunately this black one (125185) was able to be salvaged ... how about the other one?? Was it a '71 also, or a '70?? Hope it wasn't a total loss. Any details you can share Tom?? Thanks!!
It was a 70, and I can find out more about it. Maybe the VIN too. Stand by.
September 23rd. One of the most well known and publicized '70 HemiCuda's had a scheduled production date of this day (923). Of course we're talking about the magazine road test car BS27R0B137968.
As a magazine road test car, Ma Mopar loaded this HemiCuda convertible up with all sorts of nice options to include: the A01 Light Group Pkg, A22 Elastomeric Bumper(s) Pkg, A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana axle Pkg, A62 Rally Gauge Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C15 Deluxe Seat Belts, C16 Center Console, C62 Six-Way Driver's Seat, G36 Body Colored Sport Mirrors, P37 Power Top, and a R35 AM/FM radio among other things. This is an absolutely stunning car!
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Unfortunately the car didn't impress some of the press and magazines who tested it and it was given mediocre reviews - almost ironic given the car's legendary status today. When this picture was taken the car was owned by Bill Wiemann as one of his "bookends" along with the last one made - the GW3 Sno-White 1971 HemiCuda convertible. Bill Wiemann no longer owns the cars as they are both now owned by The Brothers Collection (who are those guys??).
At least one magazine loved it and that was High Performance Cars. If you haven't seen it you're in luck as you don't have to look too far to find it. It's right here on E-bodies dot org where Cody has posted it up right here: https://www.e-bodies.org/resources/plymouth_cuda_dodge_challenger_brochure_sale_ads/1970-plymouth-426-hemi-cuda-review-road-test-article/ (https://www.e-bodies.org/resources/plymouth_cuda_dodge_challenger_brochure_sale_ads/1970-plymouth-426-hemi-cuda-review-road-test-article/)
The Brothers Collection now owns the car. Although The Brothers are enigmatic (who are those guys??), at least they like to show cars in their collection at shows and through their "Muscle Car of the Week" video series with Kevin Oeste. Here is the episode featuring this gorgeous convertible ...
Is this the magazine article of the same Hemi Cuda?
https://www.e-bodies.org/resources/plymouth_cuda_dodge_challenger_brochure_sale_ads/1970-plymouth-426-hemi-cuda-review-road-test-article/
Yes it is!
'70 hemicudas in FE5 red can't be beat.
Quote from: E74cuda on September 24, 2017, 09:32:18 AM
'70 hemicudas in FE5 red can't be beat.
White interior. :banana:
Quote from: E74cuda on September 24, 2017, 09:32:18 AM
'70 hemicudas in FE5 red can't be beat.
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:iagree: Isn't too many things better than that!!
Rallye Red with a white interior is kind of rare. I know of only two such cars and neither one of them have the Elastomeric bumpers. So now I know of three ...
E74cuda I assume this Rallye Red beauty is yours?? You just can't just throw it up there without telling us more about it. Please, do tell ... :popcorn:
This red Cuda might be Lonnie Leigh's car [manager of Performance Improvements in Oshawa Ont]. He has owned it since he was a kid. :bigthumb:
The red hemicuda is a car that I first heard about in the early 80's. A local collector got it in Nevada and brought it to the Sacramento CA area. From what I have gathered it was used like a 4.10 dana automatic was meant to be used. The guy had someone do a lite restoration, basically paint and changed the interior to black. The body has all of the original sheet metal with some lower rear quarter work because of clogged drains. It was sold within a few years to a guy that lived close to me at the time. He did some work to it and took it to local car shows and even the Car Craft Street Machine Nationals in Sacramento at the time. He owned it for about 15 years and after an engine compartment fire he sold it to me around 1999 with around 48k miles on it. I collected parts for about ten years, things like the correct alternator, starter, fan, fan clutch, master cylinder, dated wheels and other items. When I got it had the correct factory carbs, exhaust manifolds, distributor, valve covers, radiator, brake booster assembly and more. I had the paint and body redone then kind of stalled on it. Several years went by and I found someone to assemble the car after having the engine which is a '70 warranty hemi, original trans and dana redone. A buddy of mine (Earl Ortiz) tuned it and took care of a bunch of other issues to get it dialed in. It's an October 13, 1969 build FE5 red, H6XW white interior with the A22 bumper package, A32 Super Performance Axle Package, A62 rallye gauges, C55 buckets, C16 console, R11 AM radio and a few more things.
Great story and very cool car. :1place:
Very nice car! Lonnie has a twin to yours but I am pretty sure its a 4 speed.
Our next car was the first '70 HemiCuda built for sale in Canada :canada: That car was BS23R0B111658 and it was sold new out of St Felix de Kingsey Quebec.
Per Gilbert Ramsay of "Vintage 1970-4 Barracuda & Challenger Pictures" facebook page, this car was originally a FE5 Rallye-Red, V1X black vinyl top with V6X hockey stick stripes, and a H6X9 black interior automatic car. He says the car also had the A22 Elastomeric Bumpers Package, A62 Rallye Gauges Package, C16 Center Console and a M91 Luggage Rack among other things.
In the mid '70's Gilbert's friend bought the car and did a little "customizing" to it. He changed the color to green and performed a couple of other custom modifications to it as can be seen in this picture.
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Note the added "duck-tail" spoiler, mud flaps, extended leaf spring shackles, protruding exhaust tips and the "double" hockey stick stripes! Hey, it was the '70's so this is relatively mild compared to some of the more "creative" 'customs that came out of that era! Here is a better picture of the front hockey stick stripe, although it is in black and white.
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Interesting double hockey stick stripe treatment isn't it? Anyway, according to Gilbert, at some later point (he doesn't say when) the car was eventually re-purchased by the original owner, restored back to original, and the two of them are together again living happily ever after. :woohoo: Unfortunately these are the only two pics of this car that I have. It would be great to see it restored back to it's glossy Rallye-Red glory, so if you have some pics of this car post 'em up! :thankyou:
Fall ... a great time of year ... perhaps my favorite time of year. Fall was also a great time for Hemi E-body production. From the information that I have, more Hemi E-bodies were made in October and November 1969 than in any other months of Hemi E-body production. :yes:
A lot of beauties to choose from, but given it's impeccable pedigree, we're going to kick off fall Hemi-fest with this '70 HemiCuda BS23R0B146640.
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Scheduled to be built on the banner Hemi E-body production day of October 6th (A06), BS23R0B146640 is 1 of only 652 1970 HemiCuda's made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4 speed. It is finished in FE5 Rallye-Red with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes, a V1X black vinyl top and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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146640 is a "two tag car" just loaded up with great options to include the A01 Light Group Pkg, A22 Elastomeric Bumpers Pkg, A33 Track Pack Pkg, A62 Rallye Gauges Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, C62 Six-Way Seat and the thumping A22 AM/8-Track Radio among other things. All those nice options pushed the MSRP on the window sticker of this beauty up to $5,361.
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This Rallye-Red rocket was sold new through Fair Chrysler Plymouth in good old Sacramento California (lived there for four years - loved it!). Fair Chrysler Plymouth had the dubious honor of selling this baby twice, as the original owner defaulted on it and the car was repossessed in only a matter of months! It didn't sit on the lot long as in November of 1970 Andy Farrar struck a deal for the HemiCuda and took it home for only $3,627 - 32% less than what it had sold for new earlier that year!
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146640 is an original "Hockey Stick" stripe (V6X) car. Who doesn't like "Hockey Stick" stripes? Andy didn't. The "Hockey Stick" stripes emblazoned with "HEMI" across the quarter panel and "hemicuda" on the Shaker bubble were keeping Andy from seeing any action on the street. So Andy employed a bit of skulduggery by removing the "Hockey Stick" stripes from the quarter panels and replacing the "hemicuda" emblems on the Shaker bubble with a less threatening "cuda383" ones. Pretty sly that Andy was! Andy drove the car that way until the late 1980's at which point he placed the car into long-term storage. 20 years later, in 2008, Andy decided it was time to let the car go and in 2009 the HemiCuda left it's owner of 38 years for a new home.
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146640 has a great pedigree. It is a complete numbers matching car still having all of it's original driveline. Also, having spent almost all of it's years in the nice Sacramento climate, it still retains all of it's original sheetmetal as well. But wait, there's more! This Rallye-Red beauty is fully documented to include: it's original window sticker, broadcast sheet, fender tag, dealer sales documents, factory warranty booklet and full ownership history! Pretty darn cool and a great start to Fall Hemi-fest! :banana:
Firestones :o
October 6th. It was a banner day for Hemi E-body production at Hamtramck. I have 30 HemiCudas, including a block of 10 Canadian spec cars, being built that day - more than any other day that I have recorded. Of course my notes are not all inclusive and there very well be another day that saw more Hemi cars produced. For now it is #1 in my notes and it would have been a great day to have taken a guided tour of the plant! :wowzers: So here are six cars that were scheduled to be built on October sixth - six for the sixth! :banana:
1. BS27R0B146711: 1 of only 14 made for the U.S. market and of those, 1 of 5 with a 4-speed. It is finished in FC7 In-Violet with a H6X9 black interior and a V3X black convertible top.
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Owned by Dave Blake, 146711 made it's post-restoration debut at the Hemi E-Body convertible invitational at the 2015 MCACN show in Chicago. If you were lucky enough to have made the show you got to see it's unveiling, if you didn't make it, you missed an almost surreal experience.
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Dave Blake's display placard details how the car's original owner ordered the car for maximum performance! Also interesting is how the car had been off the road since 1972. According to Dave Blake, the restoration on the car was not completed and put back together until just one week before the 2015 MCACN show.
2. BS23R0B146721: 1 of only 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4-speed. It is finished in EK2 Vitamin-C with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior. Like Dave Blake's convertible, this is a minimally equipped, yet purpose built, car. Other than the Hemi and the 4-speed, the only extra cost options on this car are: a) A34 Super-Track-Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, b) EK2 High-Impact Vitamin-C paint, and c) the thumping R11 AM radio - that's it.
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Neat shot - the black tail panel, hockey stick stripes and tires contrast nicely with the High-Impact Vitamin-C paint. This a very sharp looking car. I do not know who the lucky owner now is, but if you do, let us know.
3. BS23R0B146663: 1 of only 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4 speed. It is finished in EV2 Tor-Red with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior. This picture was obviously taken when the car stayed at Greg Nelson's "Mopar Ponderosa" for a while. I don't know much about this car, but with the mirrors surrounding it, I would assume that it must be totally restored inside, outside, top and bottom. Nor do I know with whom, or where the car went to after it left the Ponderosa.
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This is the only pic of this car that I have. Unfortunately in this pic it has to share the spotlight with Greg's Curious-Yellow 440-6 '71 Cuda convertible which steals a lot of the HemiCuda's thunder! What a pair of Cuda's to have in your garage!
4, BS23R0B146552: 1 of only 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in FE5 Rallye-Red with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior. This HemiCuda is a bit of an oddball ...
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This HemiCuda is equipped with the standard dash and a column-shift automatic. It still surprises me just how many of these Hemi cars came with the column-shifted auto? Well at least the original owner put the A32 Super-Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package behind the column-shifted auto when they ordered the car. This Rallye-Red rocket was (is?) for sale at Ray Skillman's Classic Cars in Indianapolis IN.
5. BS23R0B146416: I do not know much of anything about this car other than the VIN is listed as one of the Canadian spec cars sold new in Kingston Ontario, and old Moparts post that refers to it as being FC7 In-Violet in color, and this ad for the engine that was posted on Cars-On-Line dot com
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$50 G's just for the engine ... and we don't even know if the car is still out there?? From the ad it appears that "Larry" looked for the matching car for a while and has given up on trying to find it. Is it still out there somewhere - does anybody know??
6. And for our Grand Finale we have non other than BS23R0B146694, aka the "Warlock", which now belongs to our "Godfather" Cody Reich :worship:
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The "Warlock" is a former SS/DA car that Cody picked up a couple of years ago. On "the other website" Cody said he was going to do a complete restoration on the "Warlock" and bring it back to original factory specs. With that, maybe we can get an update on how how Cody and his "team" (Jen and the pups) are coming along with the project?? Take it away Cody!! :bravo:
146659 is also an A06 build car. :alan2cents:
Here's some photos of the Warlock a few months ago. A good buddy of mine has purchased the Warlock and he is completing the car. I will get some new photos of her soon. I heard she is almost completely done. Just need to cut and buff one last time and put the glass in.
Hemi Cuda 146642 is getting closer to done too. I have to fix the weeping head gasket before I paint the engine then it should go pretty fast as all the components, interior, rear end and trans are ready to install.
October '69 was the biggest month for e-body production (17.7% of Plymouth e-bodies were built during October '69)
Monday October 6th (A06) is just 13 days after the "new" cars went on sale "officially" 9/23/69
twice the number of Plymouth e-bodies were "SCHEDULED" on A06 than could be built :thinking: IMO this was Chrysler's response to the hype the 'cuda was generating, number of sales & orders coming in from the dealers, and a way to queue the factory to build desired inventory based on early sales success.
I have 45 hemi'cuda VINs for A06, good fender tag info on 22 of them: 11 w/auto & 11 w/4-speed
FE5 = 8
EV2 = 5
FC7 = 3
TX9 = 2
EF8 = 1
EK2 = 1
FF4 = 1
FY1 = 1
Yes, that is correct. A good buddy of mine now owns the Warlock. I wish I could keep them all, but space, time and money all play a factor.
BS23R0B146642 is a real deal Hemi Cuda 4 speed shaker EV2 track pack rallye dash (Hemi Orange / Tor Red) that I'm doing. Rust free low mile Cuda from CA. :banana: Paint is all done and it's really just waiting for me to get the engine dialed in before I start putting it all back together. It's a none numbers engine / trans, but I have an un-stamped 1970 Hemi engine and un-stamped 1971 18 spline trans for it. Dan Brewer just re-built the trans for me.
Quote from: anlauto on October 10, 2017, 02:49:12 PM
So @Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1) you no longer own the Warlock ? What is Hemi Cuda 146642 ?
Is that your car ?
Quote from: Cuda Cody on October 10, 2017, 03:19:46 PM
Yes, that is correct. A good buddy of mine now owns the Warlock. I wish I could keep them all, but space, time and money all play a factor.
BS23R0B146642 is a real deal Hemi Cuda 4 speed shaker EV2 track pack rallye dash (Hemi Orange / Tor Red) that I'm doing. Rust free low mile Cuda from CA. :banana: Paint is all done and it's really just waiting for me to get the engine dialed in before I start putting it all back together. It's a none numbers engine / trans, but I have an un-stamped 1970 Hemi engine and un-stamped 1971 18 spline trans for it. Dan Brewer just re-built the trans for me.
Quote from: anlauto on October 10, 2017, 02:49:12 PM
So @Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1) you no longer own the Warlock ? What is Hemi Cuda 146642 ?
Is that your car ?
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Quote from: 6bblgt on October 10, 2017, 02:44:42 PM
I have 45 hemi'cuda VINs for A06, good fender tag info on 22 of them: 11 w/auto & 11 w/4-speed
FE5 = 8
EV2 = 5
FC7 = 3
TX9 = 2
EF8 = 1
EK2 = 1
FF4 = 1
FY1 = 1
Oh?? For a numbers guy like me this is a real teaser! :popcorn:
:bigthumb: :haha:
Quote from: Roadman on October 10, 2017, 03:40:06 PM
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Cody, that's a teaser of a sneak peak if I ever saw one!! :thankyou:
Cool that the Warlock is getting done , I would have liked to own that one if I knew it was available !
BS23R0B146416 was sold new in Picton Ontario to a prison guard V.Hughes, who worked at Collins Bay Institutions farm camp.
After he owned it about 4 years and while driving into work along the outside wall, he was accosted by a prisoner who held a paring knife to his throat and told Hughes to get out of the car.
The con led the cops on quite a chase on some back roads until the car overheated and was driven till it stopped running.
Con was apprehended, car towed to a yard and Hughes filed a theft claim.
Insurance offered to repair the car but Hughes wanted no part of it so insurance paid him out and car was sold in as in condition for $1400.00 to two guys, Joey S. and Ivan M. who got the engine running but pulled it and put it in a factory R code 70 RR they owned.
They then put a 383 in the Hemicuda body and it sold and it went west to Alberta.
After some years Larry S. who now owns the runner, and who posted the previous ad, sold the original HemiCuda motor to the owner and the two were re-united.
AND...our very own
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) could have written this story if he had bid about $3000.00 more for that Hemi Road Runner when it was being auctioned.
Well that's all pretty cool - got an update on the Warlock, a sneak peek at Cody's 146642, some numbers and color of A06 SPD HemiCudas and some very interesting info on 146416's early years. Thanks to all who contributed!! :thankyou:
Well since it seems to be a good week for finding out new stuff, I'm going to throw a couple of obscure ones out there and see if any info on them shakes loose and comes forth ...
A pair of sequential VIN Canadian spec HemiCudas 146393 and 146394. Both cars were suppose to have been sold new in British Columbia - 146393 in Vancouver, and 146394 in New Westminister a Vancouver suburb. Got nothing on them other than an old Moparts post from 2003 from "Cudagee" who was looking for the transmission to 146394. There out there somewhere ...
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A swing and a miss on 146393 and 94 ...
Next up is a car that someone has been looking for ... well yes, we're all looking for this type of car ... but someone here has a vested interest in this car, so here it is. BS23R0B146659, 1 of only 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4 speed. It is finished in FE5 Rallye-Red with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes, a V1X black vinyl top and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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A peek inside and we can see that this HemiCuda is equipped with the A62 Rallye Gauge Package, C16 Center Console and S83 Rim-Blow Steering Wheel.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-146659c.jpg&hash=e28297c475144d2417894baaf9fde6b95eb6434a)
Outside we can see that this HemiCuda is equipped with the A22 Elastomeric Bumpers Package, G36 painted Sport Mirrors and the J81 Go-Wing. What we can't see is that it also has the A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, and S77 Power Steering to go with it's many other features.
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Auction ad from Barrett-Jackson's 2008 Scottsdale auction. From the ad we can see that it is numbers matching and seems to be pretty well documented.
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The ad and info is from nine years ago. Where, and with whom the car is with now is unknown ... to me ... but I'm sure one of you out there may know more current info on this Rallye Red beauty and it's more recent whereabouts.
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Now that we have your attention, I'm "fishing" for info on these three HemiCuda's ...
BS23R0B146406 Canadian spec car supposedly sold new in Cap De Madeleine Quebec,
BS23R0B146413 Canadian spec car supposedly sold new in Arthabaska Quebec,
and BS23R0B146419 Canadian spec car supposedly sold new in West Hill Ontario ...
All I could find on those three cars was this recent Moparts post from "hemirag" concerning the engine for 146413
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In the meantime, lets take a look at a mean Ivy-Green Hemi machine that is BS23R0B146563 ...
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This aggressive fish is one of the 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those one of 368 with an automatic. This HemiCuda is equipped with the A32 Super-Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package to give it some real get up and go and has the B51 Power Disc Brakes to reign it back in when it's done.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-146563b%2520jens.jpg&hash=21d00274f7a9fb239063121ab6a0fc3888c589ac)
Inside this green machine is super clean! This HemiCuda has the A62 Rallye Gauges, C16 Center Console and a C62 Six-Way Driver's Seat. Nice!!
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-146563c%2520jens.jpg&hash=a528e86832d5f45b8760fecb476124199d5c4d64)
From the overly large watermark, it's pretty obvious that this car was once available at LMC's showroom! Had some good company there with the Hemi Challenger RT over on it's left. I imagine that the two '69 Camaros between the two Hemi cars had to be a bit nervous ... :Stirring:
I would like to thank my German friend Jens, aka "JS23U" on C-C dot com for providing me with the pictures of this car. I had found an old auction ad from which I first learned about this car, but the ad had no pictures. Jens graciously helped me out by providing me with the pictures that we can see and enjoy here in this post. Thanks again Jens!! :thankyou:
When EF8 is done right is looks fantastic! :inlove:
406? 413? 419? Terry? ... Anyone?
Going once ... :help:
Quote from: RzeroB on October 23, 2017, 04:09:00 PM
406? 413? 419? Terry? ... Anyone?
Going once ... :help:
:popcorn:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on October 21, 2017, 09:33:45 PM
When EF8 is done right is looks fantastic! :inlove:
There's a reason it sold so well back in the day.... I only owned one EF8 car but I drooled over many....
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on October 29, 2017, 12:33:41 AM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on October 21, 2017, 09:33:45 PM
When EF8 is done right is looks fantastic! :inlove:
There's a reason it sold so well back in the day.... I only owned one EF8 car but I drooled over many....
:iagree: Sometimes it doesn't get the love it deserves, but done right in the sun :bradsthumb:
Recently saw a 2018 Challenger in EF8. GORGEOUS!!! :bigthumb:
Quote from: cuda hunter on October 28, 2017, 08:57:56 PM
Quote from: RzeroB on October 23, 2017, 04:09:00 PM
406? 413? 419? Terry? ... Anyone?
Going once ... :help:
:popcorn:
Gone! Guess we'll never know??
Continuing on with our October built cars our next selection is presented in a very fall-like color of FK5 Deep-Burnt-Orange.
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BS23R0B157065 is 1 of only 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4 speed. It is finished in FK5 Deep-Burnt-Orange with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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Like a good number of these cars, 157065 is a former Super-Stock race car. From the fender tag we can see that there are not a lot of extra frills on this car, but it does have what you would need for a bad-to-the-bone Super-Stocker to include the A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package to make it go and the B51 Power Disc Brakes to make it stop. As a former race car it racked up a good bit of it's mileage a quarter mile at a time so it only has a little over 12,000 miles on the clock. Equally impressive, if not more so for a former race car, is the fact that it still has it's numbers matching drivetrain in it!
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This Deep-Burnt-Orange beauty was restored back to like-new condition and was offered for sale for by John Meyer through his Happy Days Dream Cars business of Kansas City MO. Apparently the restoration on it was very good with Sports Car Digest (they review collector car auction results) remarking "Recent restoration, 2+ condition. Restored better than new, fresh, sharp and clean. An eye-catching example. It is a superior car in every respect." Nice write up!
John sent the car to auction a couple of times, but as far as I know, it did not sell through them as it never reached his reserve. Here is a link to Mecum's 2013 Indy Spring Classic auction that the car participated in ...
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0513-154116/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0513-154116/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda/)
Where and with whom the car eventually went to I do not know ... do you??
I think Super/Stock racecar is "bragging the car up" a bit! Un-cut & barely modified, limited to headers & battery in the trunk - maybe a "boulevard bruiser" back in its day. Original paint up until ~10 years ago. Spent many years parked next to this, both unrestored in northeast Ohio.
:wowzers:
Happy Halloween!! How about a little Halloween treat??
Would you rather have a Snickers ... or a pumpkin orange (okay, it's really Vitamin-C ...) HemiCuda as your treat??
And this one was a former SS/DA race car too!!
I thought so!! Me too!!
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BS23R0B159372, aka "Sun Kissed 'Cuda", is 1 of only 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in EK2 Vitamin-C with a V1X black vinyl top and a H6X9 black vinyl interior. It was bought new in Rochelle NJ by Percy Johns, and raced throughout the northeast as a SS/DA Super Stocker.
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From the fender tag we can see that before it became the "Sun Kissed 'Cuda," this car was originally a nicely equipped HemiCuda with options that included: A01 Light Group Package, A04 Basic Group Package, A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, an unusual M91 Luggage Rack and the rockin' R11 AM Radio. Also note that there is no C16 Center Console code, and with this car being an automatic, that would imply that the shifter was on the column.
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In this pic we can see the gear indicator still on the steering column.
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"Sox and Martin"?? What's that about?? Percy sent the big Hemi off to the Sox and Martin shop to be rebuilt to Super Stock specs to include a custom "Rat Roaster" (love that name!) intake. Percy raced the car throughout the northeast until a rules change in 1975 mandated that the car be equipped with a welded in roll-cage and other safety equipment. Instead of cutting the car up to install the cage, Percy elected to "retire" the car from sanctioned racing.
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The car was present at the 2012 MCACN show in Chicago, but who owns it now, I do not know.
at 18, Percy wanted to buy a 427 Cobra at a local NJ Ford dealership, his dad wouldn't co-sign - he ended up with the hemi'cuda!
about 10 years ago Percy put ~20 miles on the car - here in Las Vegas on I15 :yes: as pictured
cancer got Percy in April '16 :andyangel: RIP big guy!
SO Percy had the Sun Kist Car ?
Yes, Percy Johns was the original owner/racer of the "Sun Kissed 'cuda" - car is currently in Iowa
Forget the Snickers.... no question - the Hemi Cuda! :veryexcited:
Cool pics!
November ... sure it's starting to get cold ... but we have plenty of hot cars that were scheduled to be built during the eleventh month of the year.
First up is the first Hemi E-body acquired by west coast collector Wade Ogle. BS23R1B199869 is 1 of only 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is finished in the very rare combination of FC7 In-Violet with a V1W white vinyl top, V6W white "billboard" stripes and a H6XW white vinyl interior.
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One of the things that Wade Ogle does that I think is super cool, is to display these informational placards with his cars. He puts the car's options, pertinent details and even the VIN on the placards for all to see (I don't know what all the "secrecy" is about VINs, but I'm glad Mr. Ogle doesn't mind sharing his). These display placards that he shows with his cars provide almost as much information as seeing the actual fender tag - how cool is that?! :twothumbsup: From the placard for this car, we can see that it came equipped with the A34 Super-Track-Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G36 dual painted Sport Mirrors and S77 Power Steering among other cool things. :ohyeah:
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Despite this car's unique color combination, reportedly when Mr Ogle acquired it, it was painted ... flat-black! :unbelievable: But ... fortunately it still had all of it's original sheet metal and the factory white interior was complete and intact. The car was fully restored and below is a pic of it when Mr Ogle brought it and some of his other cars to Northern California's Mopar Alley Rallye spring show at Ohlone Community College back in 2010.
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I met Wade at MCACN in 2015....Super nice guy and he completely blew me away when he said that he knew who I was and had visited my web site several times :unbelievable:
That 71 is OMG fantastic. :inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :1place: :perfect10:
One more...
- Wade
That event was a lot of fun and worth all the work by all to put it together. Absolutely love that purple 71!
Our next November car is BS23R0B187950; 1 of only 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is a complete numbers-matching car finished in TX9 Black-Velvet with a H6X9 black vinyl interior. With a SPD of B10, it is a near perfect "10" for the 10th of November. :perfect10:
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From the fender tag we can see that this black beauty was built to run having the A32 4:10 geared Super Performance Dana Axle Package to make it go, B51 Power Disc Brakes to make it stop ... and a C16 Center Console to stash all the pink slips and money you picked up along the way!
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Despite this beauty having 49K on the odometer (glad to see that it was actually driven and enjoyed!), the interior of this black beauty was super clean and even had that "new car smell" to it - nice! The only thing missing is the A62 Rallye Gauge Package ... which I always thought strange that it wasn't part of the 'Cuda model like it was with the RT model of the Challenger.
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I took this picture at the 2014 MCACN show in Chicago where the car was part of the 426 Hemi 50th Anniversary exhibit. The car won the Nickey Registry "Pick of the Show" Award - yeah, it was that nice!
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In 2015 it found itself at RK Motors in Charlotte NC where it was on consignment for $259K. It sold, but if you would like to see the ad and more pics, bang it here to see RKM's ad for the car before it goes away.
https://www.rkmotors.com/vehicles/1899/1970-plymouth-cuda (https://www.rkmotors.com/vehicles/1899/1970-plymouth-cuda)
:cooldance:
What a beautiful machine! :drooling:
The big MCACN (Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals) show is coming up this weekend (Nov 18th & 19th). I've only been to it a couple of times and I must say, it is quite an event with something for everybody. Arguably, it has become an event where a lot of high-profile muscle cars come to be displayed, or make their public debut. This years show is shaping up to be more of the same with another helping of great cars.
One of the cars that is suppose to be there making it's public debut under new ownership is the 1971 HemiCuda BS23R1B202849. It's a very stunning and unique "tri-color" car that stands out in any crowd. But it's also a bit of a "Chameleon" in that in it's past life, one of it's legendary previous owners purposely removed some of it's eye-popping appeal to subdue it some in order to lure in unsuspecting street prey for the kill!
This beauty has recently been written up in HotRod online
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/first-look-rare-1-1-billboard-hemi-cuda-resurfaces/ (http://www.hotrod.com/articles/first-look-rare-1-1-billboard-hemi-cuda-resurfaces/) and more recently in Mopar Collector's Guide http://moparcollectorsguide.com/onlinemags/members/allonline/2017/nov2017/index.php?page=30 (http://moparcollectorsguide.com/onlinemags/members/allonline/2017/nov2017/index.php?page=30) Both articles are a great read and have a lot more pictures than I could ever post up here so be sure to check them out. Also, the HotRod online article has a great little video in it so make sure you pause long enough to watch it while you are there (If I could have figured out how to copy just the video I would have posted it here for all to see).
Without further ado, here is the "Tri-color" '71 HemiCuda in FE5 Rallye-Red with V1W White Billboards and a V1X Black Vinyl top - absolutely stunning!!
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Now owned by Tim (standing) and Curtis (seated in car) Wellborn - they just can't seem to wipe the smiles from their faces now can they!
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This beauty is loaded! Leather interior, Track-Pack Pkg, Aero Pkg, Six-Way Seat, Power Windows, AM/FM Stereo and the White Billboards among plenty of other things. :drooling: However, did you notice that the Elastomeric front and rear bumpers are not on the tag (A22)?
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Roger Gibson "freshened" the car up for the Wellborn brothers and it looks amazing from any angle! 8)
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One of it's previous owners was noted collector of all things Hemi Mr Charles Chesire aka "The Elephant Man". Charles had a huge collection of Hemi cars and parts and was a mainstay of NHOA throughout the '70's and '80's. He bought this HemiCuda to use as a racer and stuffed it full of go-fast goodies. It was Charles who removed the vinyl top because "race cars don't have vinyl tops" and also the white billboards "because you don't want the competition knowing what you are kicking their butts with." Here is Charles with three of his Hemi cars including this 'Cuda ... it doesn't look like it, but yes, that's the same car.
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Charles sold the car to Ron Fellwock who's name may sound familiar to many of you. Ron ran one of the early reproduction parts business's for Mopars under his own name "Fellwock's". Ron left the car pretty much the way Charles had set it up and enjoyed it for many years before Curtis Wellborn eventually persuaded him to sell it to him and his brother Tim. Here is the car just prior to arriving at Roger Gibson's where it underwent it's "freshening" for the Wellborn brothers ... yes, yes, that's the same car.
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Great story!
I totally remember "Fellwock's Mopar Motion"
Wonder why anybody would add rubber bumpers to a car of that caliber ? :huh:
Quote from: anlauto on November 15, 2017, 04:15:20 AM
Wonder why anybody would add rubber bumpers to a car of that caliber ? :huh:
:iagree: I seem to remember that the car had a luggage rack on it when Charles got it. He removed it and put on the wing. I always thought it was not a J81 car, but I see it on the tag. :dunno:
Quote from: anlauto on November 15, 2017, 04:15:20 AM
Wonder why anybody would add rubber bumpers to a car of that caliber ? :huh:
Because they look cool. Just a bolt on.
Quote from: E74cuda on November 15, 2017, 08:27:42 AM
Quote from: anlauto on November 15, 2017, 04:15:20 AM
Wonder why anybody would add rubber bumpers to a car of that caliber ? :huh:
Because they look cool. Just a bolt on.
:iagree: Either way the car is super cool!! :perfect10: :perfect10:
Definitely unique in that black and white being basic "colors" will match well with anything.
Back from the MCACN show and it seems like it was over just as soon as it began - not enough time to take everything in! :rubeyes:
One thing you couldn't miss was the Shaker Invitational sponsored by Tim and Pam Wellborn with their "bookends" prominently displayed on either side of their merchandise display. "Bookends?" Yeah, that's the term I heard used to describe their very similar, pair of '71 HemiCudas - the previously mentioned and recently acquired "tri-color" 4-speed white billboard car; and their long held automatic black billboard car. Although the auto black billboard car is a September build car, I thought that I would post it up here since it is a perfect follow up to the "tri-color" car on the heels of the MCACN show.
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BS23R1B198029 is 1 only 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 48 with an automatic. Like the "tri-color" car, it is finished in FE5 Rallye-Red with a V1X black vinyl top, but has the V6X black billboard stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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This is a pretty cool pic in the way that it is composed. However, note the Challenger style "426 Hemi" on the Shaker in lieu of the normal Cuda style "hemicuda". Per the Wellborn's, that is how the emblems were when the car was bought back in '87 and they believe that it has always been that way as some kind of a factory anomaly. The theory is very plausible as there are a couple more HemiCuda's other than this one with the same emblem issue.
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On display at the Wellborn Muscle Car Museum in Alabama. The car is a real beauty and is equipped with the A22 Elastomeric Front and Rear Bumpers Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, A67 Backlight Louver Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, G36 painted Sport Mirrors, J81 Go-Wing and a R36 AM/FM Cassette with Microphone Radio among other things. This car, together with the "tri-color" car, make for an awe inspiring pair of "bookends" to just about anything! :ohyeah:
November 28th ... a day, that according to a very reputable Nordic source, a '70 Hemi Challenger RT convertible was scheduled to be built. According to our reliable source, the VIN on the prestigious car should be JS27R0B200163.
Never heard of it? You are not alone. This car is has been been MIA, a vapor in the wind, with no one having seen it, let alone know of it's whereabouts, in decades. It is even more enigmatic and shrouded in mystery than the rarely seen EV2 Hemi Challenger convertible hiding out in Canada - and not many people have ever actually seen that car - but it does exist.
According to legend, JS27R0B200163 is reportedly FE5 Bright Red in color, with a H6X9 black vinyl interior and a V3W white convertible top - and that is all that I know about it. Is it still out there somewhere? Our tall source says that it is not a tall-tale and that it does still exist ... somewhere. Is someone sitting on it claiming that they are going to (say it with me) "restore it someday"? Are they waiting for their "ship to come in" with a huge offer? Is it tied up as part of some kind of contentious legal battle? Or is stashed away somewhere, forgotten and all alone just waiting to be discovered? As the X-files Agent Mulder would say to his partner Agent Scully ... "the truth is out there ... somewhere"
I kind of got ahead of myself with that last post ... chronologically that is. I wanted to post this before the one I previously posted yesterday about the enigmatic Hemi Challenger 'vert. Anyway, we traveled out of town to an old friends place for Thanksgiving. With Thanksgiving, you reflect on things you are thankful for and appreciate. On the way back home I decided that I wanted to show my appreciation for something that I am thankful for. Besides the obvious things such as my family, my health my friends, my country and of course E-bodies.org (thanks Cody!) ... I wanted to acknowledge someone who has been a HUGE help to me with this little Hemi of the Week project we have going ... Mr Wade Ogle. The guy is a true gentleman, a wealth of knowledge and an absolute class act. Just wanted to throw some "props" out here for him ... THANKS Wade! :thankyou: :clapping:
Hemi E-body convertibles - the "Holy Grail" so to speak of muscle cars. With so few made, they are obviously rare, very exclusive, often revered and capture our attention wherever a "real" one is found. Case in point, the 2015 MCACN Hemi E-Body Convertible Invitational display was almost surreal with 27 of the cars in attendance. So with that, we go from the previously mentioned "ghost" Hemi Challenger RT JS27R0B200163 to one of the cars that is less shy and certainly more well known. Without further ado here is our last November built (scheduled to be built that is) car for the month BS27R0B212172.
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On display as part of the 2015 MCACN Hemi E-Body Convertible Invitational display. The car is now owned by The Brothers Collection and here it is sandwiched between their triple-black "Herlitz" executive car and their Alpine-White last '70 HemiCuda 'vert made. It is 1 of only 18 1970 Hemi Cuda convertibles ever made. 1 of 14 made for the U.S. market and of those, 1 of 9 with an automatic. It is finished in the striking color combination of EK2 Vitamin C with a H6X9 black interior and a V3X black convertible top.
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This car is the only Hemi E-Body convertible that was finished in the High-Impact color of EK2 Vitamin-C. The black interior and convertible top sharply contrast with the vivid Vitamin-C paint making for a striking visual statement. This statement is further accentuated by the black Hockey-Stick stripes although the car originally came with V5X black vinyl side moldings. For options, It is equipped with the A01 Light Group Pkg, A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana axle Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G31/G33 Chrome Sport Mirrors and a R22 AM/8-Track Radio among other things.
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Before the 2015 MCACN Hemi E-Body Convertible Invitational, a good number of these cars held a "practice" meet 10 years earlier at the prestigious 2005 Meadow Brook Concours d'Elegance in ... Plymouth Michigan no less - how fitting! I'm not sure how the owners pulled it off as that show is dominated by pre-WWII cars. Nonetheless, there they were in a circle of vivid colors mixed in among the old iron.
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Same show, but a view from the other side showing some of the other cars that were in attendance with it. This show and pictures were taken before The Brothers Collection acquired the car at the 2006 Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale auction. They're challenging to try and make out, but can you identify the three guys standing behind the trunk??
Quote from: RzeroB on November 29, 2017, 03:32:51 PM
THANKS Wade! :thankyou: :clapping:
My pleasure Tom! And Wow, thanks for the kind words. It was great at MCACN a few weeks ago to FINALLY meet the man behind the Hemi E-body of the Week project, you lived up to all expectations. Keep up the fantastic work, and looking forward with great anticipation to your future posts!
- Wade
December ... somehow the whole month of December seems to be all about Christmas. Breaking out the decorations ... putting up the tree ... stringing up the lights hoping that they all work (aaarrrggghhh!! :pullinghair:) ... getting together with family, friends, coworkers, etc ... oh, and of course shopping - lots of shopping! :Thud:
So what are you shopping for? We get blitzed with advertisements for us to get out there and shop for everything from trinkets to cars. :bricks: You all have seen the buy a car for Christmas commercials like the "Lexus a December to Remember" ones right?
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PLEASE! If you want to shop for a car for Christmas go BIG or go home! Your significant other doesn't want a Lexus with a big red bow on it do they? No! For a real "December to Remember" get them a what they're really dreaming about - a Hemi E-body like this beautiful '70 Hemi Challenger RT! :wowzers:
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This is JS23R0B203992, 1 of only 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 137 with a 4-speed. It is beautifully finished in FC7 Plum-Crazy with V6W white RT stripes, a V1X black vinyl top and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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As we can see from the fender tag, this beauty may not be the most loaded Hemi Challenger RT out there, but it sure does pack a punch with the D21 4-speed and A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package among other nice things. And appropriately for a Christmas gift, it was scheduled to be built in December (C01) too!
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Check out that interior - it looks brand new!
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The undercarriage looks equally brand new!
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This Hemi Challenger RT would make anyone go "Plum-Crazy" if they peeked outside the window on Christmas morning and saw it sitting there with a big red bow on top of it's roof! :banana: And you would forever receive their undying adulation and appreciation for the rest of their life! :worship:
Where can I find a Hemi Challenger RT to gift wrap and bestow upon my favorite person you might ask? I have good news! This beauty is available for sale, and can be found at RK Motors in Charlotte NC. Originally listed at $239K, it has been deeply discounted with 50K knocked off - yes, 50K! - to a low, low Christmas special price of only $189K! Crazy talk? :crazytalk: I don't think so. Bang it here to see RK Motors advertisement for this car and then RUN, don't walk, to pick-up this beauty and have it delivered to your driveway in time for Christmas!
https://www.rkmotors.com/vehicles/2459/1970-dodge-challenger-r-t (https://www.rkmotors.com/vehicles/2459/1970-dodge-challenger-r-t)
Sweet , only a few K short though , like 188 k
I love flipping back over these pages and just admiring all these awesome cars. :worship:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on December 03, 2017, 11:20:28 PM
I love flipping back over these pages and just admiring all these awesome cars. :worship:
:iagree: this whole thread is awesome and not even done yet. :takealook: It eventually will probably belong with the other resource materials for future admiration/notes of HEMI E-bodies. :alan2cents:
Our next entry was also scheduled to be built on the same day (C01 (December 1st)) as the Hemi Challenger RT shown previously. This is BS23R0B202493, 1 of only 652 HemiCudas made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. Like the Challenger, it too is finished in the High-Impact color FC7 In-Violet but instead of a black interior, the HemiCuda has a PRXW white leather interior.
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This HemiCuda is loaded with a lot of options thus necessitating the need for two fender tags. From the tags we can see that this HemiCuda originally came equipped with the A01 Light Group Package, A21 Elastomeric Front Bumper Package, A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, C26 Overhead Console, C62 Six-Way Driver's Seat, G33 chrome LH Sport Mirror, P31 Power Windows and the R22 AM / 8-track Radio among other nice things.
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With all of it's options this is one super-duper power cruiser! But all of those great options apparently were not enough as a few additional items were added to the car by the owner such as the front spoiler and rear window louvers. But what is really intriguing is, just who is the mystery man behind the wheel but whose face is hidden by the A-pillar?
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The mystery man is the original and current owner (as of October 2012) of the car Mr Fortune Thomas ("Fortune"? Now that's a rather unique name) of New Jersey. Fortune has had the good "fortune" (couldn't help myself there) of owning a number of hot B-body Mopars and this stellar HemiCuda. If you want to read a good story about him, his '68 GTX and this HemiCuda ... bang it right here
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mscp-1210-1968-plymouth-gtx-1970-hemi-baraccuda/ (http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mscp-1210-1968-plymouth-gtx-1970-hemi-baraccuda/)
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As a minor side note, if you were like me, were you wondering about the radio antennae being on the rear quarter panel? Well I think that must of been something that Fortune preferred and did in his body shop as you can see in the last picture that the GTX received the same antennae relocation treatment complete with matching streamer at the top.
How about an early Christmas present?? Our next December build (scheduled that is) is a real beauty!! We're talking about the very striking '71 HemiCuda BS23R1B253218. It is 1 of only 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 48 with an automatic. Now that the wrapping is off, feast your eyes on this killer 'Cuda!! :drooling:
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This eye-catching 'Cuda is finished in High-Impact EV2 Tor-Red with V6W white "billboard" stripes a V1W white vinyl top and a (did you catch a glimpse of the interior in the first picture??) ... H5XV orange and black interior! :takealook: When I look at it I start thinking of one of my favorite summertime frozen treats - an orange creamsicle! This beauty is an orange creamsicle dream!! :worship:
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I found the info and pictures of this car on Bryan Blake's Factory 426 Hemi Cars (no clones) facebook page (March 2016). In it Jeff Peters posted his note of when he saw the car at the Mopar Nationals in the '80's and copied down the fender tag info as seen below.
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According to Jeff's note, it looks like this car is an original billboard car - how cool is that? Also note that he lists someone named "Greg" from St Louis 318 miles away?? I can only presume that "Greg" might have been the owner of this car at the time Jeff saw it.
Here's another post from Bryan's facebook page. This post is by Nicklas Larsson where he mentions "Danny R" from Missouri (St Louis??) as being the owner. From this picture we can also get a better glimpse of that orange and black interior. :bigthumb:
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"Greg"?? "Danny R"?? "St Louis"?? "Missouri"?? I've been here living in the greater St Louis area since 2004. I don't know "Greg" or "Danny R" and I haven't seen, or heard anything about this particular car. If it's still here in the Missouri area it must be hiding ... deep, deep undercover! My guess would be that it probably isn't. Does anyone know the current owner and whereabouts of this beautiful "creamsicle dream" of a HemiCuda??
Gorgeous :veryexcited:
:inlove: Each week I fall in love with a new Hemi. :D
one more
So the "creamsicle dream" has migrated to Sweden :sweden: (like so many others before it) to be with you 71REDCUDA?? :notsure:
Merry Christmas! Get all your shopping done? If you haven't ... better start earlier next year!! Got your milk and cookies placed by the fireplace for Santa? Better get to it ... Santa's coming tonight whether you are ready or not!! Speaking of Santa, wouldn't it be cool if instead of a flying sleigh, he used a something that matched his red over white (with a few black accents) velvet suit?? Something like this matching red over white (with a few black accents) '70 HemiCuda!! Hit the pasture Rudolp ... Santa has a new sleigh!! :banana:
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BS23R0B220059 is 1 of 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in FE5 "Santa-Suit-Red" with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a H6XW white vinyl interior.
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Completing the "Santa-Suit", this interior view showw the car's clean white interior that contrasts nicely with the black dash, center console and carpet.
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Hemi hockey-stick stripes and the "REAL 426" license plate let everyone know that Santa has the ponies to cover a lot of ground quickly during his annual trek around the world. Hit it Santa!! :burnout:
Great thread....keep em coming! :banana: :banana: :banana:
And :happybday: Jesus! Wish a merry Chrsitmas to all of you boardmembers and your beloved ones!
Happy New Year!! Hope you all had a Merry Christmas too. We haven't had a new update to the thread in a couple of weeks - that's on me as I took off to Florida after Christmas and didn't get back until this past Sunday.
To start the new year I thought maybe we would take a look at what I think is one of the better Hemi E-body stories going. The story started in 1970, but it didn't really come to light until a casual conversation in 2006 between a guy and his longtime barber friend during a haircut.
Barber - "Remember that HemiCuda you use to have? Do you have any idea what those things are going for now-a-days?"
Guy - "No, not really."
Barber - "Saw one bring a million dollars at the Barrett-Jackson auction."
Guy - "What! Get out of here!"
Barber - "Yeah, too bad you still don't have the one you use to own."
Guy - "I still have it and it's in mint condition with only 11,000 miles on it."
Barber - "What! Get out of here!"
That "guy" was Greg Peterson of the little northern Illinois farm town of Morris, and his infamous "cornfield Cuda" BS23R1B262529
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As the story goes, Greg Peterson's father and grandfather wanted to give Greg a gift for being a stellar high school student. As a 17 year old junior they gave Greg a choice between two new cars - a Corvette or a HemiCuda. Greg chose the HemiCuda and ordered it with some nice options that include: A33 Track-Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, G36 painted Sport Mirrors, H51 Rear Window Defogger, P31 Power Windows, R35 AM/FM Radio, and S77 Power Steering among other things.
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When Greg went off to college in 1974 he decided to store the car in this corn-crib on the family farm. The corn-crib had a dirt floor, so Greg laid out a piece of plastic to park the car on, and then covered it with another piece of plastic. Greg fully intended to come back in a few years to get it, so no further long-term storage preparations were done to it. One thing led to another and "a few years" turned into 32 years before that fateful conversation at the barber shop.
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After that visit to the barber shop, Greg decided it was time to try and finally get the car out of the corn-crib. After sitting for 32 years, the big Hemi didn't want to start. Greg decided to try and do some research and maybe get a little help online. One of the persons who saw Greg's queries was Scott Harms-Smith. Greg and Scott got to talking and the more Greg talked about the car, the more Scott was amazed at what he was hearing - an original untouched '71 HemiCuda sitting in a corn-crib for 32 years since 1974. Interested, Scott agreed to come out to Illinois to see the car and to help Greg try and get the car started.
When Scott finally went out to Illinois to meet Greg and see the car, he simply could not believe just how original the car still was after 35 years. Here is what Scott had to say about it ... "The first time I viewed the car, I simply could not believe how original it was. While most 'survivors' are 'largely original,' this car was simply beyond comprehension. The list of parts that have ever been removed or replaced can be counted on one hand. Here it is: the battery, the negative battery cable, the thermostat housing gasket, the oil filter, and a 6-inch fuel hose to the fuel pump. Absolutely nothing else on the entire car had ever been removed or replaced! Simply incredible."
Scott worked his magic and before long the big Hemi rumbled to life after it's 32 year slumber. A gentle and thorough wash and the Cuda cleaned up nicely and looked surprisingly "fresh" for as long as it had sat in the corn-crib. Here is a short video of Scott taking the car out for it's first drive after they got it started and cleaned up.
After a while, Greg being a practical guy, decided to offer the car for sale. Enter the Skroder brothers Lars, and aptly named "Tor" (red). Greg and the Skroder brothers eventually worked a deal and the brothers became just the second owners of the car. I could go on, but Hot Rod did an excellent article on the car and it is loaded with 160 fantastic pictures. So without further ado, bang it here to go to the Hot Rod article now
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/original-1971-plymouth-hemi-cuda-planet/ (http://www.hotrod.com/articles/original-1971-plymouth-hemi-cuda-planet/)
Great Story again!
One little thing, you listed H51 as rear defog instead of H31... ;-)
THanks for the great work!
Ben
Quote from: benlavigne on January 10, 2018, 07:08:39 PM
One little thing, you listed H51 as rear defog instead of H31... ;-)
Ooops! Your right! Guess they didn't come with AC now did they?
Our next January car was scheduled to be built 48 years ago today, January 14th, and is very appropriately colored in EB3 "Ice-Blue" for such a frigid month. I present to you '70 HemiCuda BS23R0B234614 ...
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BS23R0B234614 is 1 of only 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in "frosty" EB3 Ice-Blue with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes but at least it has a cozy PRX9 black leather interior.
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From the fender we can see that without a performance axle code and having some nice amenities, this Ice-Blue beauty was built to be more of a "power cruiser" than a quarter mile beast. It has a supple PRX9 black leather interior, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, C26 Overhead Console, G33 chrome Sport Mirror and a thumping R11 AM Radio among other things to make your cruise as comfortable as can be for 1970.
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Automatic with a console and nice leather seats ... that looks rather comfy! About the only thing missing are power-windows and a cup-holder for your 7-11 slurpee!
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"Ice-Blue" is an aptly named color for this finish as it does kind of look like a frost covered blue glistening in the sunshine. I personally kind of like this color, but apparently it wasn't all that popular back in 1970 as I know of only four HemiCudas that were made in this color. That could be a good thing if you are one of the four lucky people who happen to own one of them as it would be highly unlikely that anyone else would show up at a show with the same colored HemiCuda as you!!
This beauty sold at Mecum's 2016 Portland auction ... somehow it slipped through the auction without it being "relocated" to Cody's Mopar-Taj-Mahal. Bang it here if you would like to see the Mecum ad for the car:
https://www.mecum.com/lots/PJ0616-245265/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/PJ0616-245265/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda/)
I got to see the car in person when it sold!
Our next January build car is this Sublime Challenger that was scheduled to be "born" on January 6th (106). :happybday:
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JS23R0B227316 is 1 of only 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 137 with a 4-speed. It is finished in FJ5 Sublime with a V1X black vinyl top, V6X black longitudinal stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior - a sharp looking combination! :perfect10:
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As sharp as this car looks, the fender tag is surprisingly ... "sparse", for lack of a better word ... only five and a half lines before the "EN2". Even though there are not a lot of options here, this Challenger packs a punch where it counts with the "E74" Hemi, "D21" 4-speed and "A34" Super Track Pack 4:10 Dana axle package! :yes:
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Well if the fender tag is a little underwhelming for a Hemi Challenger, well then maybe the "tag" on the passenger side inner fender helps?? Big Daddy Don Garlits gave the car his personal seal of approval signing the inner fender in 1995!! :ohyeah:
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Even though the V21 Performance Hood Blackout isn't specified on the fender tag, I really like it added to this car. The FJ5 Sublime and black accents (including the V21) contrast nicely together and really "pop" on this Hemi Challenger.
As the license plate alludes to, this Hemi Challenger is on display and for sale at Ray Skillman's show room in Indianapolis for only $275K!! :takemymoney: So if you have been looking and saving for a sharp Hemi Challenger bang it here to see more of this one on Ray Skillman Classic Cars website
http://www.rayskillmanclassiccars.com/used/Dodge/1970-Dodge-Challenger-13a314c00a0e0ae977f4dc22ff2e24ab.htm (http://www.rayskillmanclassiccars.com/used/Dodge/1970-Dodge-Challenger-13a314c00a0e0ae977f4dc22ff2e24ab.htm)
V21 on Sublime looks great!!!
I can see adding the hood stripe, but surprised someone would add a vinyl top :huh:....looks good though...
Great looking Challenger even with the changes.
47 years ago today this rather unique '71 HemiCuda was scheduled to be built at Hamtramck. Considering it's unique features, many of you probably already are familiar with it, but being that today is it's "birthday" :happybday: I decided to bring it back around for another look.
Today's feature car is the V02 "black and white" 1971 HemiCuda BS23R1B275819. This black and white beauty was originally ordered by a California Highway Patrol (CHP) Officer. Like a CHP cruiser, this car sports a V02 two-tone GW3 Sno-White top over a TX9 Black-Formal body. But wait, the similarities don't stop there. It also has a front bench seat interior and a column shifted automatic transmission! I remember when I first saw this car in person in 1986 I was very surprised, maybe even shocked, :unbelievable: by the bench seat and column auto as I had never seen them in a HemiCuda, or any 'Cuda before for that matter. I can only imagine that the CHP Officer who ordered it purposely did so to match his CHP cruiser!
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When this picture was taken at the 1986 "Power in the Pines" show at the Kirkwood Ski Resort in California, the car was wearing white Billboards and a black bench interior, but from looking at the fender tag we can see that this car originally came equipped with V5X black vinyl side mouldings and a H4XW white bench interior. Also from the fender tag, the lack of an axle code indicates that the car came with the standard 3:23 geared rear axle - perfect for high-speed "pursuits" down the California freeways! :stayinlane:
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I don't know where this car is now, or who the current owner might be. I'm also lacking some better pictures of this car with the two shown here being the only ones of it that I have. Being that it's pretty hard to confuse this car with any other due to it's unique features, if you have some other pictures of it please post them up or send them to me if you are inclined to share. :bigthumb:
I remember seeing & I should have pictures of a C7 Hemi Cuda with bench / column auto as well , blew me away when I saw it
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on January 26, 2018, 08:25:24 PM
I remember seeing & I should have pictures of a C7 Hemi Cuda with bench / column auto as well , blew me away when I saw it
Could be the same car, saw it in St. Louis in 82 Nats. I need to scan all those pics. :'(
This would have been Indy in 83 or Chelsey Mi
a friend (my "best friend" per his text :banana:) has owned the V02 hemi'cuda for the past ~15 years, he also has my 440+6 Sport Fury GT :crying:
Hey it has the white interior back in it. A very unique car indeed. Thanks Dan for posting up the additional pics!! :thankyou:
That's one nice 'Cuda. I like that color combo and the interior is sweet. :twothumbsup:
Our last January "baby" needs no introduction as it is well publicized being one of the Blake family Hemi E-body convertibles. Without further ado ... the Blake family's "Red Devil" BS27R0B236766 :clapping: It is of course 1 of only 18 1970 Hemi Cuda convertibles ever made. 1 of 14 made for the U.S. market and of those, 1 of 9 with an automatic. It is also unique in that it is the only '70 Hemi E-body convertible (Cuda or Challenger) made with the column-shifted automatic.
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It is finished in FE5 Rallye-Red with V6X black "hockey stick" stripes, a H6X9 black interior and a V3X black convertible top. Here is a cool retro picture of it from "back in the day". From the look of the cars in the background, I'd say this pic has to be from the late '70's, maybe very early '80's?? No idea who the two people are next to the car ... do you know??
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This car, along with the Blake's other four Hemi E-body convertibles were all on display as part of the Hemi E-Body convertible invitational display at the 2015 MCACN show in Chicago. Dave Blake, and his dad Bob, were ahead of their time and true visionaries when they recognized the immense potential value of these cars and set about acquiring as many of them as they could during the early '80's. :worship:
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From the fender tag we can see that this car was equipped with the A01 Light Group Package, A22 Elastomeric Bumpers Package, A32 Super-Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, G36 painted Sport Mirrors, P31 Power Windows, P37 Power Convertible Top, and R35 AM / FM Radio among other things.
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Have to give credit to Dave Blake as his display boards and placards were loaded with information, facts, and history about his cars. He doesn't hid the cars VIN or fender tags but instead puts them up on his display boards for everyone to see. Thanks Dave!! :handshake:
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As a final note, I found it somewhat interesting that when the car was purchased, Bob and Jo Blake went to Sarasota Florida and drove this 4:10 geared HemiCuda 'vert the 2,200 miles back to Phoenix Arizona! You got to wonder what that trip was like??
I'm almost related to the Deacons :banana:
After the Blake's HemiCuda 'vert it's time to come back down to earth and post up some February built cars. Our next car might not be as celebrated as it's drop-top cousins, but this next car is certainly no slouch when it comes to getting up and going!! With the mighty Pachyderm strapped to a 4-speed and the Super-Track-Pack 4:10 geared Dana axle package behind it, this was a stampede on four wheels!! :burnout:
The Challenger Hemi RT here is JS23R0B251742 and thanks to James Sciarrino's post on the "Factory 426 Hemi Cars (no clones)" facebook page we can see it and it's window sticker. The picture of this purple pavement pounder looks "period correct" as does the window sticker where we can see that this car came equipped with only what was needed to go fast and not a whole lot else. This is the only reference that I can find pertaining to this car. I don't know if James owns it or not, but I do want to thank him for posting it up for me to find and you to see!! :drinkingbud:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1853952028183638&set=pcb.1194874087263815&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1853952028183638&set=pcb.1194874087263815&type=3&theater)
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Continuing our birthday celebration, 48 years ago today (210 - February 10th) our next feature car was scheduled to be built. :happybday: 1 of only 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4-speed. It is dressed all in black with a TX9 Black-Velvet exterior and a H6X9 black vinyl interior. Lets give a big birthday welcome to BS23R0B247347! :woohoo:
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Nothing fancy or flashy here ... no High Impact colors ... no Go-Wing ... no contrasting colored top, interior or stripes ... just simple elegance dressed all in black ... kind of like a blonde in a black dress - understated yet gorgeous! Feast your eyes upon the lines of this beauty ... wow is it pretty! :drooling:
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Nothing too flashy on the fender tag either. Looking at the tag we can see that this car was ordered with a simple, yet purposeful, idea in mind ... put in the mighty Hemi, back upped by a 4-speed and Track-Pack 3:54 geared Dana Rear Axle Package ... dress it all in black (including the G36 painted Racing Mirrors) ... and then "accessorize" it with an AM radio. Simple, but very purposeful indeed!
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Nicely detailed engine compartment ... as is the rest of the car.
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Look at those lines! This black beauty looks great from any angle! I don't know where in the world 247347 is today to celebrate it's "birthday", or who the lucky owner is, but whomever it is, they are one lucky person to have such a beauty parked in their garage! Happy birthday 247347 wherever you are :happybday:
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247347 was up for auction at Mecum's 2010 Spring Indianapolis auction. Bang it here to see their ad for this car
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0510-91149/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0510-91149/)
247347 later came up for sale through RK Motors in Charlotte NC. The ad is still up with LOTS of great pictures of this car. Bang it here to see their ad for this car https://www.rkmotors.com/vehicles/1262/1970-plymouth-cuda (https://www.rkmotors.com/vehicles/1262/1970-plymouth-cuda)
Appropriate for "Black History Month" as well :twothumbsup:
Our next February "baby" is definitely special (well yes, they are all "special") and has a rather unique history behind it. Oh? You will see what I mean as we move along with today's featured car ...
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This is BS23R0B249759. It looks rather unassuming in this picture, almost "plain-vanilla" with it finished in EW1 Alpine-White with a H6X9 black vinyl interior. Being that it's a true R-code HemiCuda we all know it's anything but "vanilla", but what is it about this car that is different? Lets look at the fender tag ...
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Looking at the tag we can see that it's a 4-speed and has some nice options such as A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, C16 Center Console, C62 Six-Way Seat and P31 Power Windows - pretty nice actually.
But also note that The fender tag reveals that this HemiCuda was originally built to export specs as evidenced by the "Y09" build spec code and the "E" at the beginning of the VON. This particular car was built and then shipped off to France to be part of Chrysler France's factory backed racing team. Say what? It's true! I'll be the first to admit that I had no idea that Chrysler even had a factory backed racing team in France until I started this little project of ours - did you?
Chrysler France's Henri Chemin had organized a race team to compete in various motorsport events such as road courses and hill climbs to promote the Chrysler brand. At least two of the cars on the team were original HemiCudas, which they extensively raced, crashed, rebuilt and thrashed throughout the early 1970's and they were amazingly successful. However, as with everything else, all good things come to an end and by the end of the 1974 season Chrysler pulled the plug on the racing team. The cars were sold off to "privateer" racers and they soldiered on for a couple of more seasons before eventually disappearing into obscurity.
249759 somehow wound up in the south of France tucked away in a dusty garage and long forgotten. Enter Michael Connell. Somehow Michael learned of this legendary HemiCuda and was able to strike a deal to purchase it. He then arranged for it to be "imported" back to the U.S. and had Red-Line Restorations out of Bridgeport CT complete the restoration of the car back to it's former racing glory. The restoration was completed in 2013 and the car debut at the Greenwich Concours d'Elegance. Here it is in it's restored glory ...
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Bang it here to see more pics of the restored car from Jean Guy Cote's post in facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=958231160928958&set=pcb.963554493729110&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=958231160928958&set=pcb.963554493729110&type=3&theater)
And here to see a great magazine write up on the car: http://autoweek.com/article/car-life/winningest-european-chrysler-hemi-cuda-back (http://autoweek.com/article/car-life/winningest-european-chrysler-hemi-cuda-back)
And lastly here to see a great 26 minute video on the car, Henri Chemin and Chrysler France Racing: https://vimeo.com/143514197 (https://vimeo.com/143514197)
:clapping: :worship: :popcorn:
Crazy , I have seen the car before since the restoration :twothumbsup:
Surfed Hemmings yesterday (February 23rd) evening just to see what was there ... low and behold there was a HemiCuda with a SPD of ... you guessed it 223! So by virtue of this serendipitous event, BS23R0B257832 is our next February birthday "baby" :happybday:
This beautiful Rallye-Red rocket is being offered for sale by Patrick Krook (I'm sure Patrick is a great guy but that's a hard sell when your last name "Krook" ryhmes with "crook") and his Show Your Auto (SYA). According to the ad, the car recently completed a full restoration by Andrew White and his team at Apex Autosports in Grafton Wisconsin. This rockin' red HemiCuda is detailed top to bottom inside and out and looks better than new.
Patrick has the car listed as "best offer". What does that mean with the seller and today's market? I don't know. A deal to be made ... who knows? But with spring and the car show season just around the corner this could be your opportunity to get into a car that looks like it needs nothing but a new owner and garage to park in. So check your bank account balance, cash out the equity in your home, sell off some stocks, do what ever you need to and throw Patrick an offer ... and who knows ... this beautiful HemiCuda could be yours ... if the price is right!
Bang it here to see the Hemmings ad while it is still active
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/plymouth/cuda/2070904.html (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/plymouth/cuda/2070904.html)
a "Y13" dealer demo also, but we'll have to hold off :stop: on the birthday celebration it was a week+ LATE
https://forum.e-bodies.org/vin-fender-tag-build-sheet-and-date-codes/13/actual-production-date-vs-scheduled-production-date/810/
Quote from: RzeroB on February 19, 2018, 07:57:08 PM
Our next February "baby" is definitely special (well yes, they are all "special") and has a rather unique history behind it. Oh? You will see what I mean as we move along with today's featured car ...
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This is BS23R0B249759. It looks rather unassuming in this picture, almost "plain-vanilla" with it finished in EW1 Alpine-White with a H6X9 black vinyl interior. Being that it's a true R-code HemiCuda we all know it's anything but "vanilla", but what is it about this car that is different? Lets look at the fender tag ...
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Looking at the tag we can see that it's a 4-speed and has some nice options such as A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, C16 Center Console, C62 Six-Way Seat and P31 Power Windows - pretty nice actually.
But also note that The fender tag reveals that this HemiCuda was originally built to export specs as evidenced by the "Y09" build spec code and the "E" at the beginning of the VON. This particular car was built and then shipped off to France to be part of Chrysler France's factory backed racing team. Say what? It's true! I'll be the first to admit that I had no idea that Chrysler even had a factory backed racing team in France until I started this little project of ours - did you?
Chrysler France's Henri Chemin had organized a race team to compete in various motorsport events such as road courses and hill climbs to promote the Chrysler brand. At least two of the cars on the team were original HemiCudas, which they extensively raced, crashed, rebuilt and thrashed throughout the early 1970's and they were amazingly successful. However, as with everything else, all good things come to an end and by the end of the 1974 season Chrysler pulled the plug on the racing team. The cars were sold off to "privateer" racers and they soldiered on for a couple of more seasons before eventually disappearing into obscurity.
249759 somehow wound up in the south of France tucked away in a dusty garage and long forgotten. Enter Michael Connell. Somehow Michael learned of this legendary HemiCuda and was able to strike a deal to purchase it. He then arranged for it to be "imported" back to the U.S. and had Red-Line Restorations out of Bridgeport CT complete the restoration of the car back to it's former racing glory. The restoration was completed in 2013 and the car debut at the Greenwich Concours d'Elegance. Here it is in it's restored glory ...
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Bang it here to see more pics of the restored car from Jean Guy Cote's post in facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=958231160928958&set=pcb.963554493729110&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=958231160928958&set=pcb.963554493729110&type=3&theater)
And here to see a great magazine write up on the car: http://autoweek.com/article/car-life/winningest-european-chrysler-hemi-cuda-back (http://autoweek.com/article/car-life/winningest-european-chrysler-hemi-cuda-back)
And lastly here to see a great 26 minute video on the car, Henri Chemin and Chrysler France Racing: https://vimeo.com/143514197 (https://vimeo.com/143514197)
Acme Diecast is actually producing a 1/18 scale diecast of this. That's a pretty cool tribute! :clapping:
Quote from: RzeroB on February 24, 2018, 10:43:33 AM
Surfed Hemmings yesterday (February 23rd) evening just to see what was there ... low and behold there was a HemiCuda with a SPD of ... you guessed it 223! So by virtue of this serendipitous event, BS23R0B257832 is our next February birthday "baby" :happybday:
This beautiful Rallye-Red rocket is being offered for sale by Patrick Krook (I'm sure Patrick is a great guy but that's a hard sell when your last name "Krook" ryhmes with "crook") and his Show Your Auto (SYA). According to the ad, the car recently completed a full restoration by Andrew White and his team at Apex Autosports in Grafton Wisconsin. This rockin' red HemiCuda is detailed top to bottom inside and out and looks better than new.
Patrick has the car listed as "best offer". What does that mean with the seller and today's market? I don't know. A deal to be made ... who knows? But with spring and the car show season just around the corner this could be your opportunity to get into a car that looks like it needs nothing but a new owner and garage to park in. So check your bank account balance, cash out the equity in your home, sell off some stocks, do what ever you need to and throw Patrick an offer ... and who knows ... this beautiful HemiCuda could be yours ... if the price is right!
Bang it here to see the Hemmings ad while it is still active https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/plymouth/cuda/2070904.html (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/plymouth/cuda/2070904.html)
I really like FE5 Cudas with red bubbles. :cooldance:
I wonder if Nicolas Cage will join the site & enlighten us :notsure:
I bet they were both his as in 2009 the IRS went after him.
On July 14, 2009, the Internal Revenue Service filed documents in New Orleans in connection with a federal tax lien against property owned by Cage in Louisiana, concerning unpaid federal taxes. The IRS alleges that Cage failed to pay over $6.2 million in federal income tax for the year 2007.[85] In addition, the Internal Revenue Service has another lien for more than $350,000 in unpaid taxes dating from 2002 to 2004.[86] Cage filed a $20 million lawsuit on October 16, 2009, against his business manager, Samuel J. Levin, alleging negligence and fraud.[87] The lawsuit states that Levin "had failed to pay taxes when they were due and had placed [Cage] in speculative and risky real estate investments 'resulting in (the actor) suffering catastrophic losses.'"
And he went on a bit of a shopping spree in 2007.
"In his filing, Levin says that in 2007, Cage's "shopping spree entailed the purchase of three additional residences at a total cost of more than $33 million; the purchase of 22 automobiles (including 9 Rolls Royces); 12 purchases of expensive jewelry; and 47 purchases of artwork and exotic items."
My :alan2cents:
I was at the Russo and Steele auction in 2009 when BS23R0B184309 sold. It most definitely was touted as being owned by Nic Cage, and they said he had an affinity for black cars. So I'm not sure if the one at Indy was also owned by him, but it's certainly possible. Back to this Russo car, I remember it being absolutely gorgeous. This was January 2009, when the economy was at its worst, but with all the hype and shine this stunning car sold for what I thought to be a very strong price of $440k.
- Wade
Hmmmm? :thinking: Interesting points ... There may even be a third Cage-car as I remember seeing another all black HemiCuda that was advertised as having once been owned by Mr Cage but it was different than these two in that it had the standard dash instead of the Rallye dash like these two have. I concluded that it must of been some kind of a typo, error or something so I dismissed it. Maybe it wasn't? :notsure: Maybe Nic actually had three near identical all black HemiCudas? :looney: :crazytalk:
1970 Challenger RT/SE
4 speed
Super Track Pack
Gator Grain
Yea it's a Hemi
Okay, enough about Nic Cage ... he's last months news ... onward to those March built (scheduled that is) cars! :banana:
March 5th ... 48 years ago today a '70 Hemi Challenger RT was scheduled to be built at Hamtramck. As it turned out, it is 1 of what would be only 19 '70 Hemi Challenger RTs built to Canada specs. Here's the fender tag so we can see how this Canadian spec Hemi Challenger RT was put together.
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When it finally rolled off the line and was loaded up on the transporter, it headed off to a dealership in "The Queen City", "Hogtown" ("Hogtown"??), or more simply, "T.O." (Toronto, Ontario). In Canada it stayed until some 40 years later down-state New Yorker Bob Conca learned that it was for sale. Bob, a long time Mopar guy with some cool E-bodies already in the garage, had been looking for an original Hemi Challenger, so he wasted no time heading north to Canada to meet the owner and see the car. When he got there, the car wasn't quite what Bob had expected ... it had been disassembled for a restoration and was literally in boxes ... hundreds of them! Undaunted, Bob and the owner struck a deal and Bob trailered the Challenger's shell and all of it's associated boxes back to New York.
For metal work and paint Bob sent the body off to Ken Mosier's The Finer Details in Danville Indiana. For the Hemi, Bob sent the elephant off to Martin Wimberly's Performance Plus Cylinder Heads in Odin Illinois. While I'm at it, I am going to throw some "props" out to Martin and his wife Jody. Every year on the third Saturday in September they put on a super fantastic Mo-Party BBQ picnic and car show. It's not a big event, you might even say it's small, as Odin itself is a very small town just northwest of Mount Vernon IL. However, the Wimberly's put Odin on the map with their hospitality, so if you are ever in the area around the third Saturday in September their Mo-Party is a must!!
When the body came back from The Finer Details and the Hemi from Performance Plus Cylinder Heads, Bob started the tedious process of emptying the boxes and putting it all back together. Eventually the last piece was installed and the results are spectacular. Say hello to Bob and his beautiful '70 Hemi Challenger RT!
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As a side note, I wonder if Bob wound up with a small box of bolts and stuff that he couldn't figure out where they went - doesn't that always seem to happen? Anyway, if you would like to see more pictures of Bob's Challenger bang it here to read Scotty Lachenauer's great article as published on the Hot Rod Network
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/1970-dodge-challenger-crated-hemi/ (http://www.hotrod.com/articles/1970-dodge-challenger-crated-hemi/)
Hello Bob! Nice Challenger. :inlove:
Quote from: GQ234 on March 05, 2018, 06:21:10 PM
1970 Challenger RT/SE
4 speed
Super Track Pack
Gator Grain
Yea it's a Hemi
Hi Greg!!
Happy to see you here on the thread! I was kind of going by SPD, but even though your car is a November build, feel free to throw up more pics and the story of your car here any time!! :ohyeah:
This car was restored in the 80's by Pete Haldiman. Well known car and car guy for old school'ers in So Cal. A bunch of his other past Hemi car are featured in the Anthony Young book. This car was on some old car posters and on the cover of Car Craft.
Seeing this car at Pete's house and on the cover of Car Craft got me hooked on Challengers.
Hardly any repro parts on this car.... there wasn't any then! Original sheet metal. Was re-painted another color (yellow?) very early in life because FC7 paint did not last very well.
70 Hemi FC7, auto, super track pack, N97 California spec turn-down exhaust. Note the California "Exempt" sticker on the passenger front window corner.
The shaker was added. But it's real.
I heard the car is in the Detroit area now.
These scanned photographs are dated November 1990. I believe at a WPC show.
......and Bob never would have found that car if it wasn't for another crazy Canadian named Alan Gallant :banana:
I figured since I missed November's post, that you guys wouldn't mind too much. Lol.
Quote from: GQ234 on March 06, 2018, 04:38:13 AM
I figured since I missed November's post, that you guys wouldn't mind too much. Lol.
Not at all! Yours is a great story, by all means post away!!
Quote from: GQ234 on March 05, 2018, 06:21:10 PM
1970 Challenger RT/SE
4 speed
Super Track Pack
Gator Grain
Yea it's a Hemi
Awesome & 1 of only 23
Quote from: GQ234 on March 05, 2018, 06:21:10 PM
1970 Challenger RT/SE
4 speed
Super Track Pack
Gator Grain
Yea it's a Hemi
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I was hoping that Greg would post up some pics and the story behind his '70 Hemi Challenger RT/SE ... but he hasn't ... yet.
You have probably already recently seen it at the 2017 MCACN show, in Mopar Collector's Guide, the Detroit Auto Show and in some of Greg's posts on Facebook. Even though it is a November built (scheduled that is - I have to keep putting that in there for Dan! :D) car, I'm going to post up here in March anyway.
JS29R0B193271 is 1 of only 59 Hemi Challenger RT/SE's made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 22 with a 4-speed. It is finished in TX9 Black with a V1G Gator-Grain vinyl top, V9W white Bumblebee stripe and a H5K9 black and white "houndstooth" interior.
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A pampered trailer-queen this is not. It is an unrestored "survivor". It's been driven with 45K miles showing on the clock. The paint is worn with 48 years worth of little dings and scuffs here and there. One can only imagine what kind of mischief this bruiser has been up to over that time :burnout:
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The car was originally purchased by Greg's dad Godfrey, a Vietnam Army veteran and later a Detroit Police officer. Greg has some great display boards showing all sorts of original documents and pictures of his dad and the car.
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Greg's car is loaded with great options to include the A01 Light Group Package, A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 Dana Axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G31/33 Chrome Sport Mirrors, H31 Rear Window Defogger, R35 AM/FM Radio, S77 Power Steering and a S83 Rim-Blow Steering Wheel among other things. But the thing that really sets it off and makes it very unique is the V1G Gator-Grain vinyl top. This car has the most deeply textured Gator-Grain top that I have ever seen. Greg has said that the top is still original to the car. Maybe all the other Gator-Grain tops I have seen are reproductions and lack the deep texture of the original?? You can spot that Gator-Grain top form across the parking lot. Check out how deeply textured it is ...
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Greg and I assume that might be his son with him? Maybe someday his son will acquire the Challenger from Greg, like Gred did from his dad?
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Hopefully Greg will chime in and provide some cool "insider information" that perhaps we haven't heard before. Greg, the mic is all yours ... :slapme5:
I wonder if it came from the factory with the wheel well mouldings? Neat car!!!!
SE Pkg should have had the wheel lip moulding
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on March 10, 2018, 05:53:27 PM
SE Pkg should have had the wheel lip moulding
Didn't the (rolled) Hemi fenders delete the mouldings?
Ben
I never understood the "Shaker hood Invitational" :huh: Just because his Dad wanted and ordered a shaker hood ?
I understand the car never had a hood, or was ever coded on the tag or sheet for N96....so what makes it a "shaker" car.
Quote from: anlauto on March 10, 2018, 07:11:12 PM
I never understood the "Shaker hood Invitational" :huh: Just because his Dad wanted and ordered a shaker hood ?
I understand the car never had a hood, or was ever coded on the tag or sheet for N96....so what makes it a "shaker" car.
Alan, the car was actually in a spot next to the Shaker hood section at the show, not part of it... and there is a link indeed with the fact it was ordered with a Shaker, that never made it to the car... An illustration of why 70 Challengers with N96 are so rare...
Ben
Ben, that doesn't explain the sign pictured above. :dunno:
IIRC, Greg's car recently came out of long-term storage. Tim Wellborn became aware of Greg's car, liked it, and the story behind it. Since Tim was $pon$oring the "Shaker Invitational", Tim invited Greg to be part of it even though Greg's car didn't get the Shaker that it was suppose to have. Being a big $pon$or of the MCACN show gave Tim that lattitude.
Quote from: RzeroB on March 11, 2018, 01:02:54 PM
IIRC, Greg's car recently came out of long-term storage. Tim Wellborn became aware of Greg's car, liked it, and the story behind it. Since Tim was $pon$oring the "Shaker Invitational", Tim invited Greg to be part of it even though Greg's car didn't get the Shaker that it was suppose to have. Being a big $pon$or of the MCACN show gave Tim that lattitude.
Well that's the first explanation I've heard that makes sense :cheers:
Our next March car is another black beauty, but this one is the triple-black '71 HemiCuda gem owned by Ron Tremper Jr. BS23R1B321589 is 1 of only 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 48 with an automatic. It is finished in TX9 Black-Formal with V5X black vinyl side mouldings and a SRX9 black leather interior. Thanks to Rick Rittenberg for posting these pics up on Facebook.
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Lots of info can be gleaned by looking at the fender tags of this HemiCuda. It has a 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, but note that instead of being coded A32 for an automatic car, it is instead coded A34 like a 4-speed car? But this car is not just all "GO!", it has some nice amenities too such as S77 Power Steering, B51 Power Brakes, the booming 2W R11 AM Music-Master Radio and the soft and supple SRX9 black leather interior! And lets not forget, that since it was sold new in California, it is also "environmentally responsible" (LOL!!) by being equipped with N97 Noise Reduction Package and N98 Evaporative Emissions Package.
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Ron's dad, Ron Tremper Sr., is also a Mopar kind of guy. Ron Sr. has owned a lot of cool Mopars over the years including 1 of only 17 '71 Cuda 440-6 convertibles. Mopar Collector's Guide did a great article on the father and son '71 Cuda duo in their June 2005 issue. If you haven't seen it already, bang it here and flip to page 26 for the story:
http://moparcollectorsguide.com/onlinemags/members/allonline/2005/june2005/index.php (http://moparcollectorsguide.com/onlinemags/members/allonline/2005/june2005/index.php)
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Thanks, Tom I really appreciate that.
Quote from: RzeroB on March 05, 2018, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: GQ234 on March 05, 2018, 06:21:10 PM
1970 Challenger RT/SE
4 speed
Super Track Pack
Gator Grain
Yea it's a Hemi
Hi Greg!!
Happy to see you here on the thread! I was kind of going by SPD, but even though your car is a November build, feel free to throw up more pics and the story of your car here any time!! :ohyeah:
Here is more of the story with the V8TV interview, enjoy.
https://youtu.be/ucWoK_Mp19s
That's a great story!
Happy St Patrick's Day!!
Of course when you think of St Patty's Day, you think of the color green ... The Green Isle ... Shamrocks ... Leprechauns ... and yes, even beer :drinkingbud:
Green is good, especially if it's a factory Mopar green. You got your Lime-Green, Ivy-Green, Limelight, and Sherwood-Green among others. But for me, there is no better green than Sassy-Grass-Green, and it doesn't get much better then when that Sassy-Grass is laid over a HemiCuda!! :ohyeah:
For St Patty's Day check out this Sassy-Grass-Green '71 HemiCuda :wowzers: It's a beuty ... and I'm in love!! :inlove: It would take a truck-load of :bigmoney: to get your hands on this beauty, so for the majority of us, we can just admire and dream. :cheers:
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This is (or was??) the Smith Stokes car. It is BS23R1B316904 is 1 of only 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is finished in FJ6 Sassy-Grass-Green with V6X black "billboard" stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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Love this pic. I like the way it was panned to blur the background and give it a sense of motion. Life in the fast lane! This HemiCuda is coming around and doing so in a hurry thanks to the A34 Super-Track-Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package. It is also equipped with the A21 Elastomeric Front Bumper Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, and S77 Power Steering among other things.
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Great shot of the "elephant" without it's Shaker "hat" on.
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One downside of tooling around in a High-Impact Sassy-Grass-Green HemiCuda is that it's kind of hard to be inconspicuous and blend in with traffic. As such, you might need the "luck of the Irish" to avoid attracting some undue attention form your local law enforcement!!
Mopar Muscle Magazine did a great article on this car. Since M-M-M is now gone, you read it on the Hot Rod Network here
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/1971-plymouth-hemi-barracuda/ (http://www.hotrod.com/articles/1971-plymouth-hemi-barracuda/)
:iagree: It's a beuty ... and I'm in love!! x 2 :wowzers: :wowzers: :inlove: :inlove:
I have always preffered Sassy to Limelight , sassy just looks richer
Killer Cuda !!
What has wheels, gets your adrenaline pumping, is sexy beyond belief ... and is pink??
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Is it Miss Piggy in the back of a stretch limo??
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Pleeeaaassseee!! No, it's not one, but TWO Moulin-Rouge pink HemiCudas!!
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FOther%2FKermit%2520yay.jpg&hash=a11cb65b985985ccfcec5901ff72aa02925d9d6b)
That's right, were talkin' not one, but a "two-fer" of the only two FM3 pink Hemi E-bodies "known" (seems you always have to caveat things these days with that word cause you just never know ...) to exist! As far as I know, there are no FM3 Hemi Challenger RT's "known" to have been made, so these two pachyderm packing pink 'Cudas are the only ones of their type made in this bold High-Impact color! :worship:
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-283660%2520with%252070CU-292542%2520at%2520Playboy.jpg%3Ft%3D1522282201&hash=c11e093d77e53bd21edf1a5f57aff9a92c1f7cb6)
We're splitting the SPD difference today with these two cars with Greg Joseph's Canadian spec car BS23R0B283660 (on the left) scheduled to have been built on March 20th and Wade Ogle's U.S. spec car BS23R0B292542 (on the right) scheduled to have been built on April 2nd. This picture was taken just prior to the "Mopars at the Mansion" show at the Playboy mansion in 2006. This picture is rather unique in that reportedly it is the only time that these two cars were at the same place at the same time since leaving Hamtramck in the spring of 1970 and it's kind of fitting that it occurred at the Playboy mansion of all places (I imagine pink is THEE in color there!).
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-15.jpg&hash=d63d98953254ea2efc0120c6b07ae148be0636a4)
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-15_int.jpg&hash=4be137b5d7122237dc32f72d45d48d16cedadae6)
Though they are the only two FM3 Hemi E-bodies "known" to exist, they are very similar, yet they have some distinct differences. As previously mentioned, Greg's car is a Canadian spec car sold new in Ottawa Ontario. As can be seen, Greg's car has a H6X9 black vinyl interior, is topped with a V1X black vinyl top, has V6X Hockey Stick stripes adorning it's quarter-panels and is an automatic car.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-15_data.jpg&hash=3384bd0f2ca6193905a337ade5ddece076992bc4)
The fender tag shows us that Greg's pink HemiCuda was equipped with the A01 Light Group Package, A04 Basic Group Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G36 painted LH Sport Mirror, and the AM/8-Track Radio among other nice things.
If you want to see more of Greg's car, visit "PantherPink dot com" here:
http://pantherpink.com/fm3077.htm (http://pantherpink.com/fm3077.htm)
Wade's car on the other hand is a U.S. spec car sold new in Elbow Lake Minnesota. As can be seen, Wade's car has a PRXW white leather interior, is topped with a V1W white vinyl top, has no Hockey Stick stripes and is a 4-speed.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-292542c.jpg&hash=0f200453b24674e4c2a2cf8991745fdbc1223bed)
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-292542b.jpg&hash=efa4add325b82ab5bf0ed1aaf58fdf9bfd97e91b)
A nice thing about Wade is that he likes to provide these very informative display placards for his cars when he shows them. His pink elephant has such notable options as the: A01 Light Group Package, A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, C26 Overhead Console C62 Six-Way Seat, G31/33 chrome Sport Mirrors, M91 Luggage Rack, P31 Power Windows and a R22 AM/8-Track Radio among other nice things.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-292542d.jpg&hash=57f677cb72cb1680cf3f3578dd85e1564d1d1c0b)
From the placard Wade tells us that his pink HemiCuda is not only all original, documented, and a survivor - but it is one of the most highly optioned HemiCudas in existence. Story has it that this car was originally purchased by a dentist, who bought not one, but two HemiCuda's at the same time - this one, and I believe an FJ5 Limelight one. The pink car was purchased for his wife, thus all the options, and the second green one was for his oldest son. The story goes the pink car was driven only by his wife and occasionally the dentist himself and lived a pampered life allowing it to survive to this day without any significant restoration. The same can't be said for the green car that was given to his oldest son. Reportedly, that car was thoroughly thrashed by his sons and may, or may not, still be around today, and if it is, it's has gone through an extensive restoration or is in serious need of one!
If you want to see some more of Wade's car, visit "PantherPink dot com" here: http://pantherpink.com/fm3024.htm (http://pantherpink.com/fm3024.htm)
There you go, your "two-fer" of the only two FM3 Hemi E-bodies "known" to exist. Similar, but very different cars. Maybe the only thing they have in common is the FM3 Moulin-Rouge pink paint and the mammoth Hemi under the hood! So to answer the opening riddle of "what has wheels, gets your adrenaline pumping, is sexy beyond belief ... and is pink??" ... it's NOT Miss Piggy in a limo!! No, it's these two powerful pink pachyderm-packing HemiCudas (sorry Miss Piggy!)!! :veryexcited:
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FOther%2FKermit%2520Miss%2520Piggy%2520breakup.jpg&hash=19d060c3ce47632a1c000cc0905513640b4d0444)
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Wade's car is simply amazing. One of my favorite hemicuda's made.
Well there you go; Alan was right.
Even the high optioned performance 70 Cuda's could've came without a hockey stick.
Whew! It's going to be really hard to follow up on that double-dose of pink pachyderms!! Those are a couple of uber-cool cars if there ever were ones don't you think?? :cheers:
Anyway, continuing on, out in Colorado we have our own "The Owl" pushing to sell his cool '71 Challenger project
https://forum.e-bodies.org/cars-for-sale-or-wanted/8/1971-challenger-project-for-sale-co/5946/ (https://forum.e-bodies.org/cars-for-sale-or-wanted/8/1971-challenger-project-for-sale-co/5946/)
It's not a Hemi, but one of the things that I really like about Owl's Chally is the color - GA4 "Light-Gunmetal" (or "Winchester-Gray" if it's on a Plymouth). I love how GA4 is almost "chameleon-like" in how it looks either gray, or blue, depending on the lighting. It's one of my all time favorite colors along with FJ6, GY3 and FM3 (yes, I really do like FM3).
So to promote the color and thus Owl's cause, our next April entry is one of the few Hemi E-bodies to have been originally finished in that great color. So without further ado, our next car is the former Frank Badalson '71 HemiCuda BS23R1B345763 :clapping:
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Here is the fender tag for this car. I snapped this photo when the car was at the 2015 MCACN show in Chicago as part of Mecum's promotional for it's upcoming auction the following January in Kissimmee.
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This HemiCuda is definitely a beautiful car, but from the tag we can see that it really isn't loaded up with a whole lot of options. It has the "plush" SRX9 leather interior, the A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, a thumping R11 2 watt Music-Master AM radio and a R31 rear speaker among the standard HemiCuda options.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1971%2520Cudas%2F71CU-xxxx08b.jpg&hash=bd806649a830cc7ac41bcd4c255d431d1a90f871)
Frank Badalson has owned the car twice: briefly in the mid 1970's and then again since 1994. In 2002 Frank agreed to match race his 54,000 mile "survivor" HemiCuda against Dennis Kohr's 1970 Hemi Road Runner concours show queen for Mopar Muscle Magazine. Frank's HemiCuda took 3 out of 3 over Dennis' Road Runner running a best of 14.01 @ 103 mph. Bang it here to read about their "grudge match" in an article on the Hot Rod Network http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopp-0203-survivor-hemi-cuda-vs-hemi-road-runner-drag-race/ (http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopp-0203-survivor-hemi-cuda-vs-hemi-road-runner-drag-race/)
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Eventually the car became part of Las Vegas collector Brett Torino's collection. At some point in 2015, Torino sold off almost his entire collection to Mecum in one monster deal! :looney: Mecum featured most of the cars in their 2016 Kissimmee auction and has been selling off the collection piece by piece ever since then. Here is the text portion of Mecum's ad for this car ...
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While it's still up and running on their website, you can bang it here to see Mecum's ad with more pictures of the car here https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0116-229801/1971-plymouth-hemi-cuda/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0116-229801/1971-plymouth-hemi-cuda/)
Or you can bang it here to see Mecum's Kissimmee "catalog" for the auction with this car featured on pages 6 thru 11 https://cdn1.mecum.com/assets/docs/FL0116_Monumental_Muscle/index.html (https://cdn1.mecum.com/assets/docs/FL0116_Monumental_Muscle/index.html)
Awesome Hemi Cuda !! :ohyeah:
Quote from: RzeroB on March 29, 2018, 06:15:09 PM
What has wheels, gets your adrenaline pumping, is sexy beyond belief ... and is pink??
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FOther%2FKermit%2520callback.jpg%3Ft%3D1522281482&hash=36306785254c274088e09ad39a98a0757d5d9768)
Is it Miss Piggy in the back of a stretch limo??
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FOther%2FKermit%2520Miss%2520Piggy%2520Limo.jpg&hash=cc7b541af3b91bf0dc2593bf7b94a454614ce5a0)
Pleeeaaassseee!! No, it's not one, but TWO Moulin-Rouge pink HemiCudas!!
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FOther%2FKermit%2520yay.jpg&hash=a11cb65b985985ccfcec5901ff72aa02925d9d6b)
That's right, were talkin' not one, but a "two-fer" of the only two FM3 pink Hemi E-bodies "known" (seems you always have to caveat things these days with that word cause you just never know ...) to exist! As far as I know, there are no FM3 Hemi Challenger RT's "known" to have been made, so these two pachyderm packing pink 'Cudas are the only ones of their type made in this bold High-Impact color! :worship:
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-283660%2520with%252070CU-292542%2520at%2520Playboy.jpg%3Ft%3D1522282201&hash=c11e093d77e53bd21edf1a5f57aff9a92c1f7cb6)
We're splitting the SPD difference today with these two cars with Greg Joseph's Canadian spec car BS23R0B283660 (on the left) scheduled to have been built on March 20th and Wade Ogle's U.S. spec car BS23R0B292542 (on the right) scheduled to have been built on April 2nd. This picture was taken just prior to the "Mopars at the Mansion" show at the Playboy mansion in 2006. This picture is rather unique in that reportedly it is the only time that these two cars were at the same place at the same time since leaving Hamtramck in the spring of 1970 and it's kind of fitting that it occurred at the Playboy mansion of all places (I imagine pink is THEE in color there!).
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-15.jpg&hash=d63d98953254ea2efc0120c6b07ae148be0636a4)
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-15_int.jpg&hash=4be137b5d7122237dc32f72d45d48d16cedadae6)
Though they are the only two FM3 Hemi E-bodies "known" to exist, they are very similar, yet they have some distinct differences. As previously mentioned, Greg's car is a Canadian spec car sold new in Ottawa Ontario. As can be seen, Greg's car has a H6X9 black vinyl interior, is topped with a V1X black vinyl top, has V6X Hockey Stick stripes adorning it's quarter-panels and is an automatic car.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-15_data.jpg&hash=3384bd0f2ca6193905a337ade5ddece076992bc4)
The fender tag shows us that Greg's pink HemiCuda was equipped with the A01 Light Group Package, A04 Basic Group Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G36 painted LH Sport Mirror, and the AM/8-Track Radio among other nice things.
If you want to see more of Greg's car, visit "PantherPink dot com" here: http://pantherpink.com/fm3077.htm (http://pantherpink.com/fm3077.htm)
Wade's car on the other hand is a U.S. spec car sold new in Elbow Lake Minnesota. As can be seen, Wade's car has a PRXW white leather interior, is topped with a V1W white vinyl top, has no Hockey Stick stripes and is a 4-speed.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-292542c.jpg&hash=0f200453b24674e4c2a2cf8991745fdbc1223bed)
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-292542b.jpg&hash=efa4add325b82ab5bf0ed1aaf58fdf9bfd97e91b)
A nice thing about Wade is that he likes to provide these very informative display placards for his cars when he shows them. His pink elephant has such notable options as the: A01 Light Group Package, A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, C26 Overhead Console C62 Six-Way Seat, G31/33 chrome Sport Mirrors, M91 Luggage Rack, P31 Power Windows and a R22 AM/8-Track Radio among other nice things.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-292542d.jpg&hash=57f677cb72cb1680cf3f3578dd85e1564d1d1c0b)
From the placard Wade tells us that his pink HemiCuda is not only all original, documented, and a survivor - but it is one of the most highly optioned HemiCudas in existence. Story has it that this car was originally purchased by a dentist, who bought not one, but two HemiCuda's at the same time - this one, and I believe an FJ5 Limelight one. The pink car was purchased for his wife, thus all the options, and the second green one was for his oldest son. The story goes the pink car was driven only by his wife and occasionally the dentist himself and lived a pampered life allowing it to survive to this day without any significant restoration. The same can't be said for the green car that was given to his oldest son. Reportedly, that car was thoroughly thrashed by his sons and may, or may not, still be around today, and if it is, it's has gone through an extensive restoration or is in serious need of one!
If you want to see some more of Wade's car, visit "PantherPink dot com" here: http://pantherpink.com/fm3024.htm (http://pantherpink.com/fm3024.htm)
There you go, your "two-fer" of the only two FM3 Hemi E-bodies "known" to exist. Similar, but very different cars. Maybe the only thing they have in common is the FM3 Moulin-Rouge pink paint and the mammoth Hemi under the hood! So to answer the opening riddle of "what has wheels, gets your adrenaline pumping, is sexy beyond belief ... and is pink??" ... it's NOT Miss Piggy in a limo!! No, it's these two powerful pink pachyderm-packing HemiCudas (sorry Miss Piggy!)!! :veryexcited:
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FOther%2FKermit%2520Miss%2520Piggy%2520breakup.jpg&hash=19d060c3ce47632a1c000cc0905513640b4d0444)
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Greg Joseph's pink Hemicuda will be on display at Spring Fling next week. Along with a special display of other pink cars: 2 FM3 Challenger T/A's and the Playboy Pink 1968 AMX for the 1968 Playmate of the Year.
Absolutely awesome thread
Okay, we've enjoyed a good run of some great pics of some awesome cars. Now, I need YOUR help. Today, April 14th, is the day that one of the "elite" cars was scheduled to be built, but I don't really have any good pics of it. The "elite" car in question is the former Bill Drake Sr Plum-Crazy Hemi Challenger RT convertible JS27R0B307215. As we have come to know, JS27R0B307215 is "elite" because it is one of those "rareified" Hemi E-body convertibles of which only 42 (plus or minus) were known to have been built. So dig into your private stash of pics, see if you might have some and post them up!!
Here's a pic of Bill Drake Sr, Tom Hoover and the aforementioned Hemi Challenger RT convertible provided to Cody and E-Bodies Org by Bill Drake Jr
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/dlattach/;topic=1851.0;attach=16344;image)
Why two different VINs ?
Quote from: anlauto on April 14, 2018, 09:47:44 AM
Why two different VINs ?
Ooops! Fat-fingered the first one ... should be 30
7215
Dug around and found a couple of other pics of 307215 online ...
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307215 is in the foreground and the car in the background is another real Hemi Challenger RT convertible 221640. I believe this pic was taken at one of the Mopar Nats in the mid-eighties (Cheslea Proving Grounds in '85 maybe?) when 307215 was still owned by Bill Drake Sr and 221640 was owned by Rene Delisle.
Quote from: RzeroB on April 14, 2018, 08:19:42 PM
Dug around and found a couple of other pics of 307215 online ...
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307215 is in the foreground and the car in the background is another real Hemi Challenger RT convertible 221640. I believe this pic was taken at one of the Mopar Nats in the mid-eighties (Cheslea Proving Grounds in '85 maybe?) when 307215 was still owned by Bill Drake Sr and 221640 was owned by Rene Delisle.
René sold 221640 to Otis Chandler, I think it is now in Kevin Suydam's collection? Unfortunately, it was not at the MCACN reunion, would have loved to see it again... Here are back in the day pics, when René was drivving it everywhere!
Ben
It's still pictured on Kevin's web page http://corvettes-musclecars.com/gallery2/v/al_mopars/1970+Hemi+Challenger+RT+426+Convertible/ but so is the blue 71 Hemicuda which he no longer owns..... :dunno:
My understanding is that Kevin Suydam still owns 221640 (or at least he has until very recently).
As for 307215 ... I didn't see 307215 at the MCACN Hemi E-body convertible invitational. Where it is and who currently owns it I don't know ... but of course my curiosity makes it so I would like to! :D The very similar Hemi Challenger convertible 171916 was at the MCACN show as part of the Brother's Collection. This car is almost a twin to 307215 and I use to get the two of them mixed up for each other.
Under Bill Drake Sr's ownership 307215 use to get around to shows and the occasional magazine article like this one:
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As we can see, these pictures and magazine articles are from a long time ago. Does anyone have any updated info or pics of 307215 as to where it is and who the lucky owner might be?
There was four FC7 / Black interior's weren't there ? All four speeds :thinking:
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 01:24:11 PM
There was four FC7 / Black interior's weren't there ? All four speeds :thinking:
That is my understanding as well. :bigthumb:
Three of them, 307215, 171916 owned by the Brothers, and 229923 owned by the Blakes, also all have V6W white side stripes making them look somewhat similar to each other :looney: but there are minor differences to differentiate each car from the other. :rubeyes:
Quote from: RzeroB on April 16, 2018, 01:44:11 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 01:24:11 PM
There was four FC7 / Black interior's weren't there ? All four speeds :thinking:
That is my understanding as well. :bigthumb:
Three of them, 307215, 171916 owned by the Brothers, and 229923 owned by the Blakes, also all have V6W white side stripes making them look somewhat similar to each other :looney: but there are minor differences to differentiate each car from the other. :rubeyes:
You guys have it all 100% correct. Here's the details on the 4 FC7 4-speeds, and some ways to tell them apart in current configuration:
171715: V3X, H6X9, V5X, owned by Greg Nelson. After resto this car had no stripe or V5X, but recently Greg added a V6X stripe. Came with J45 hoodpins.
171916: V3X, H6X9, V68, owned by the Brothers. After resto this car has V21 hood treatment and V6W stripe added, so the V21 gives it away. No hoodpins.
229923: V3W, HRX9, V6W, owned by Dave Blake. No hoodpins.
307215: V3W, H6X9, V6W. This car is a near twin to 229923, but one external distinguishing feature is the J45 hoodpins on this car. The owner is very private.
And Suydam's car is
221640, the last of the FC7s, but it is easy to distinguish because it is an auto and has H6XW interior.
- Wade
I know René added the Shaker to 221640...
Any of them came from factory with N96?
Ben
According to legend, only the very first Hemi Challenger RT convertible made was factory equipped with a Shaker. It was reportedly a triple-black leather interior 4-speed car. I have never seen any empirical evidence to substantiate this, but it is generally accepted as a matter of fact. This car of course is 100022 which the never made it out of Hamtramck before the executive decision was made to convert it into first the Yellow-Jacket, and later the Diamante concept show car. :bricks:
JS27R0B100022 was not a factory N96 "SHAKER" car
so, the answer is NO known HEMI SHAKER convertible Challenger R/Ts :crying:
its extra cost OPTIONs included:
A01 light group
A33 3.54 DANA axle package
B41 disc brakes
B51 power brakes
C15 seat belt group
C16 console
C62 6-way seat
D21 4-speed
E74 HEMI
G31 RH chrome racing mirror
G33 LH chrome racing mirror remote
J41 pedal dress up
P31 power windows
P37 power top
R22 AM radio w/8-track tape
S77 power steering
S83 rim blow steering wheel
W21 rallye wheels
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 16, 2018, 08:07:53 PM
JS27R0B100022 was not a factory N96 "SHAKER" car
so, the answer is NO known HEMI SHAKER convertible Challenger R/Ts :crying:
So much for the legend!! :bricks:
Maybe it wasn't even originally a "triple-black" car?? :notsure:
NOTHING BUT BLACK!
TX9 - H6X9 - V3X - V68
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 16, 2018, 10:59:37 PM
NOTHING BUT BLACK!
TX9 - H6X9 - V3X - V68
So much for the "leather interior" part of the legend! :bricks:
At least the V68 stripe delete portion of it was true! :banana:
Guess you just can't believe all of those "legends" concerning these cars? :notsure:
6bblgt.. How do you know the first Hemi challenger 100022 was not optioned with N96 shaker before the rebuild.. I have heard otherwise. BUT i guess it really does not matter much since its a rebuilt car by Chrysler.
I have a copy of the factory invoice for the car - NO SHAKER
JS27R0B100022 is a pre-production car, built ~ June '69
I do not believe the Dodge e-body SHAKER hood existed at that point, its part number was assigned well after the Plymouth version
part #2998805 '70 Plymouth SHAKER hood (in May '70 Parts Catalog)
part #3443271 '70 Dodge SHAKER hood (in May '70 Parts Catalog)
part #3443685 '70 Dodge T/A hood
part #3443686 '70 Plymouth AAR hood
part #3443797 '71 Plymouth SHAKER hood
part #3443880 '71 Dodge SHAKER hood
It looks like there was some "sibling rivalry" between Dodge & Plymouth and secrets were kept between the brands,
for 1970 I think Plymouth kept the 340 E-body & SHAKER hood on the down-low as long as possible, both were not released by Dodge at the '70 model year debut
when was the first public image of a SHAKER Plymouth available?
when was the first public image of a SHAKER Dodge available?
Quote from: 71REDCUDA on April 20, 2018, 10:42:03 PM
6bblgt.. How do you know the first Hemi challenger 100022 was not optioned with N96 shaker before the rebuild.. I have heard otherwise. BUT i guess it really does not matter much since its a rebuilt car by Chrysler.
I believe the first HEMI Challenger was the red R/T SE JS29R0B100015, built about a month before the convertible ~ May '69
also a non-SHAKER Challenger
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/dlattach/;topic=3034.0;attach=57432;image)
Dan, can I assume that is suppose to be the mythical "flat hood Hemi" 100012?
I have never seen this picture before. I've only seen the the "tennis court" pic and the "reward for info" ad pic of this enigma.
Has different wheels on it in this pic versus the "turbine" hubcaps (or whatever they are?) in the "tennis court" pic. Very cool nonetheless! Thanks for posting it up.
Intresting.. i remember that i asked Juliano for docs about he 100022 car before when he had it.. but he didnt have much.
It would be very intresting to see a pic of the invoice for that car.
Thanks
Nicklas
A few more of 100012
:takealook: Never seen those pics of 100012 either ... Thanks!
and the plot thickens as to whatever happened to it ... :notsure:
Wonder if the car actually had a Hemi in it... :thinking:
Nice to have revisited a couple of cars that haven't been seen in a while. Bill Drake Sr's old Challenger 'vert was rather ubiquitous when Bill owned it as he liked to show off his cars and took them everywhere. But everything changes. The new owner is rather private and as such, so now is the Challenger. Be nice to get some updated pics of it though. If it ever comes out for a show, I hope somebody can snap a few new pics of it and post them up here for us. :bigthumb:
As for the "flat-hood Hemi" 'vert ... well that thing is such an enigma that it seems highly improbable that it is even still around. After all I don't think it's been seen since these pics were taken in 1969! It would be shocking if it ever surfaced agained. Thanks to 6bbl and 71red for posting up those additional pics of this very elusive fish. :twothumbsup:
Not quite as elusive is our next feature car. I found it on Bryan Blake's "Factory 426 Hemi Cars (no clones)" facebook page. Other than what you see, I know nothing about it. So if you know something about this car feel free to share it with the rest of us. :yes:
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-311145%2520fb0415.jpg&hash=9f79e233df63ddde636ef88f22988bcf542940ca)
Say hello to BS23R0B311145 :wave: I don't know how old this picture is, or where it was taken. Pretty cool looking paint job ... wish there was another pic showing off the paint work on the hood. Look familiar to anyone? :notsure:
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-311145ft%2520fb0415.jpg&hash=231cfdcd5b802dc827056ae840534a7c90c27f06)
Just a bit grainy, but you can pretty much make everything out. We can see that 311145 came from the factory painted in FC7 In-Violet automatic car with a H6X9 black vinyl interior. From the tag we can see that it also originally sported A22 Elastomeric Bumpers, the A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, the A45 Aero Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, G36 painted dual Sport Mirrors and no radio code. Sounds pretty much like a race car to me!
Again, if you know this car, it's owner, or it's history, feel free to share with the rest of us. Thanks!! :thankyou:
Quote from: RzeroB on April 24, 2018, 05:37:00 PM
Nice to have revisited a couple of cars that haven't been seen in a while. Bill Drake Sr's old Challenger 'vert was rather ubiquitous when Bill owned it as he liked to show off his cars and took them everywhere. But everything changes. The new owner is rather private and as such, so now is the Challenger. Be nice to get some updated pics of it though. If it ever comes out for a show, I hope somebody can snap a few new pics of it and post them up here for us. :bigthumb:
As for the "flat-hood Hemi" 'vert ... well that thing is such an enigma that it seems highly improbable that it is even still around. After all I don't think it's been seen since these pics were taken in 1969! It would be shocking if it ever surfaced agained. Thanks to 6bbl and 71red for posting up those additional pics of this very elusive fish. :twothumbsup:
Not quite as elusive is our next feature car. I found it on Bryan Blake's "Factory 426 Hemi Cars (no clones)" facebook page. Other than what you see, I know nothing about it. So if you know something about this car feel free to share it with the rest of us. :yes:
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-311145%2520fb0415.jpg&hash=9f79e233df63ddde636ef88f22988bcf542940ca)
Say hello to BS23R0B311145 :wave: I don't know how old this picture is, or where it was taken. Pretty cool looking paint job ... wish there was another pic showing off the paint work on the hood. Look familiar to anyone? :notsure:
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-311145ft%2520fb0415.jpg&hash=231cfdcd5b802dc827056ae840534a7c90c27f06)
Just a bit grainy, but you can pretty much make everything out. We can see that 311145 came from the factory painted in FC7 In-Violet automatic car with a H6X9 black vinyl interior. From the tag we can see that it also originally sported A22 Elastomeric Bumpers, the A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, the A45 Aero Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, G36 painted dual Sport Mirrors and no radio code. Sounds pretty much like a race car to me!
Again, if you know this car, it's owner, or it's history, feel free to share with the rest of us. Thanks!! :thankyou:
No radio and a column shifter - race car
Happy Hemi Day!! :woohoo:
For Happy Hemi Day, today's car needs really doesn't need an introduction. This car has that provenance about it that makes it instantly recognizable - you see it and you KNOW what it is. That recognition of course is helped by the fact that the owner isn't shy about showing it off. This car is seemingly everywhere. It's a regular participant at car shows. It's in magazine articles ... books ... and even on the cover of books. It's also all over the internet in one form or another ... it's everywhere!!
Of course we are talking about Dave Blake's 1971 HemiCuda convertible ... but you already knew that (see what I mean??). It's everywhere!! Probably one of THEE most recognizable Hemi cars on the planet!!
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1971%2520Cuda%2520convertibles%2F71CUCON-373185fb0815.jpg&hash=48f5a4e0ec9810b502deaf60c67e012b4e679dfd)
BS27R1B373185 is 1 of only 12 1971 HemiCuda convertibles ever made. It is 1 of only 2 made for the Canadian market, both of which are automatics. It is very distinctive in it's livery being finished in EV2 Tor Red with V6W white "billboard" stripes, a H6XV orange interior and a V3W white convertible top. This car is reportedly the only one of the 12 '71 Hemicuda convertibles to have originally come from the factory with the billboard stripes.
This car has a interesting story behind it as a lot of these cars do. Story has it that Centennial Chrysler Plymouth in Barrie Ontario had a '70 440-6 Cuda convertible that the dealership sponsored and drag raced. For the 1971 season they wanted to up the ante and upgrade to a '71 HemiCuda convertible. The car was ordered and scheduled for production on April 28th but took a long time to arrive at the dealership. Too long apparently. Growing impatient for the new car, the dealership modified the '70 440-6 Cuda convertible racecar into a '71 HemiCuda convertible "clone" by dropping a Hemi into it and putting on '71 fenders, grille and tail lights to campaign the car as a '71 HemiCuda convertible model. When the real HemiCuda convertible finally showed up at the dealership, they decided to sell it instead of racing it, and kept racing the "clone".
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1971%2520Cuda%2520convertibles%2F71CUCON-373185op2%2520fb0217.jpg&hash=b0df657b105a6e2d52fb1bee257ec85f834feade)
Enter this guy. I don't know who he is, but apparently HE is the original owner ("O-O") of this car. He owned the car from '71 until sometime in '76 when he traded it in on a Plymouth Cricket (of all things) seeking to get better fuel economy. If you visit Bryan Blake's "Factory 426 Hemi Cars (no clones)" facebook page you might have seen Bryan's post about the "O-O's" recent visit to them. The Blake's let the "O-O" take the car out for a spin again after all those years. I posted on Bryan's page asking him what the "O-O's" name was, but he never did say.
After an easy cruise around the block, Bryan got behind the wheel and showed the "O-O" what he has been missing!!
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1971%2520Cuda%2520convertibles%2F71CUCON-373185op3%2520fb0217.jpg&hash=91eb84acf299a52911c42c34cd0558f278d06b5e)
Back to the story. The car changed hands a couple of times and at one point it was included in a real estate deal where the owner, who was also selling his house, threw the car in on the sale of his house because he couldn't get it running, didn't want to tow it, and was just happy to be rid of it along with his house!
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmapleleafmopars.homestead.com%2F70hemicudarag7.jpg&hash=a8bf300551cbf790b40a63fd37fd9d8137b9a501)
In 1983, then owner Wim Overweel became enamored with the new Chevy C4 Corvette that was coming out that fall as an '84 model. He wanted one ... bad. So he advertised the HemiCuda 'vert in Hot Rod magazine for the cash equivalent of the '84 Vette that he wanted ... $25,000. Ever on the lookout for Hemi cars, especially Hemi convertibles, Dave Blake, and his dad Bob Blake, saw Wim's ad in Hot Rod, contacted him, struck a deal and then hauled their Tor-Red treasure back to Arizona where it has been ever since.
Like I said earlier, this car is EVERYWHERE. You have seen it online, in magazines, in person and maybe even got to go for a spin in it?? It's at outdoor car shows like Spring Fling. Here's Bob Blake with the car at one of the last Spring Flings he attended before he passed.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmapleleafmopars.homestead.com%2F71hemicudarag8.jpg&hash=8cc35c1b5fa6ee9aa1b0910efbfc3ab9eb62c9b7)
It's at indoor car shows ...
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1971%2520Cuda%2520convertibles%2F71CUCON-9b_1.jpg&hash=d9df286145fa7c054512dedafa80a50c9bc5e711)
It's on the cover of books ...
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumb2.zeppy.io%2Fd%2Fl400%2Fpict%2F382196817447%2F1971-cuda-ola-nilsson&hash=412aac9ce3e4b1c6cfec8bca0028caf894ee7b0b)
And it's at home on the Blake Machine Company website, where they have lots of cool pics and info on the car
http://www.blakemachine.com/cars_and_projects/1971_hemi_cuda_convertible (http://www.blakemachine.com/cars_and_projects/1971_hemi_cuda_convertible)
Happy Hemi Day!! :banana:
I saw it at a car show in Toronto sometime in the 70's :banana:
everywhere, everywhere I tell you :yes:
April was fun culminating with perhaps the penultimate Hemi E-body in Dave Blake's EV2 HemiCuda 'vert. Whew!
Back to Earth and lets see what May has in store for this thread ...
How about a Challenger? It's not a 'vert, but I think this one is kind of a unusual in it is color combination. This "triple-blue" (exterior, interior and stripe) Hemi Challenger RT is finished in EB5 Bright-Blue with the distinctive V6B blue longitudinal stripes with a H6B5 blue vinyl interior ... "triple-blue"!
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Challenger%2520RTs%2F70RT-71.jpg&hash=5c5813fc9daba23e18771508d7eb5cb927b30a18)
JS23R0B339298 is 1 of 287 made for the U.S. market and of those 1 of 137 with a 4-speed. With an SPD of 513 it was scheduled to be built on Wednesday, May 13th 1970. Once built and released from the factory, it was then shipped off to the tiny "Sid's Motor Sales" dealership in Thief River Falls Minnesota.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Challenger%2520RTs%2F70RT-1a.jpg&hash=f2e081f37889f6a63798eac2e67a0814bbe50099)
From Minnesota the car eventually found it's way to northern California and into the hands of noted Mopar guy Jason Repucci. Cool Mopars routinely come and go with Jason and this Hemi Challenger RT was no exception. Searching for a ultra-cool Challenger, the car caught the attention of fellow northern Californians Jeff and Denise Lederman who were able to strike a deal and buy the car.
With the Lederman's, this car became some what of a regular with the West Coast Mopar scene making many events such as MATS and those put on by the Mopar Alley club (as seen on the pop-up tent in the above pic). However, recently sightings of this cool-blue Mopar have become less frequent so I don't know if Jeff and Denise still own it or not ... anybody know for sure?
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Challenger%2520RTs%2F70RT-1b.jpg&hash=38141a274b40a98fb81427e346c2afd59f253539)
On display and looking great! I believe that is Denise Lederman there on the right talking to the gentleman. I imagine she is explaining all the details of the car to him such as how it is equipped with the A01 Light Group Package, A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G33 chrome LH Sport Mirror and the thumping 2w R11 Music Master AM Radio among other things.
Love the "JS23R0B" license plate on this car! Leaves little doubt as to what it might be that you're looking at ... or thinking of messing with on the street! Mopar Collector Guide did a great article on the car, and if you would like to see it, bang it here:
http://moparcollectorsguide.com/onlinemags/members/allonline/2005/aug2005/index.php (http://moparcollectorsguide.com/onlinemags/members/allonline/2005/aug2005/index.php)
Beautiful :bravo:
Going to mix it up for our next selection ...
Instead of some beautiful cars to admire and drool over, I'm going to post up a trio of fender tags for three May built cars.
Why just the fender tags? These cars are kind of enigmatic ... we "know" of them, but few people have actually seen them. They are off the road, stashed away somewhere, awaiting a resurrection that hopefully will come ... someday.
These pics of the fender tags seem to be the ONLY pictures of these cars (or a very small part of them that is) that are floating around out on the internet. Since few people have actually seen them, rumors, speculation, and intrigue abound concerning them ... and we're here to add to that if anyone wants to share something!!
1. JS27R0B332575: An "elite" car being that it is one of the highly esteemed E-body 'verts. Rumor has it that it is in "limbo" as the focal point of some kind of contentious legal battle. Apparently it is hiding out in the greater Toronto area somewhere waiting for all of the litigation to end. Will it ever "surface" and be seen by the general public again? Who knows ...
Here is an old forum post concerning it ... I personally like the reference to it being in a snow bank and kids sledding off of it!!
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Challenger%2520RT%2520convertibles%2F70RTCON-332575_fp.jpg&hash=d61531e9ada18316d89568c4d3137e2c65a546e4)
And here is the actual fender tag with the VON and VIN redacted.
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2. BS23R0B337880: Currently in "the cue" somewhere with the Blake family down in Phoenix. If you have ever checked out Bryan Blake's "factory 426 Hemi cars (no clones)" facebook page you will know what I mean by "the cue". In the upper left corner of the picture you can see part of a snap-ring. That ring holds a virtual "stack" of Hemi car fender tags that the Blake's own and are awaiting their turn in "the cue" for restoration, trade, sale, or whatever the Blake's decide to do with them.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-337880ft%2520fb0415.jpg&hash=6f361f83f6bab9b3f3d9f8009ba340298f7df859)
Anothe pic from Bryan's facebook page with a few interesting comments ...
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3. This is JS23R0B376234 ... but we're not here to talk about 376234, but about something that is distinctive about it ... it's N94 T/A-style fresh air hood. It's pretty distinctive with that hood and is usually assumed to be the only Hemi Challenger RT equipped with it. The Brothers now own it as part of their esteemed collection. If you watch their Muscle Car of the Week videos (#164) hosted by Kevin Oeste, he will tell you that 376234 IS the only Hemi Challenger equipped with the N94 hood ... or is it?
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Challenger%2520RTs%2F70RT-33.jpg&hash=c30323ed05211f2a5e34d3a7dbf8cc846f4712d7)
Apparently it isn't.
Besides the T/A's, there appears to be a total of four non-T/A Challenger's made with with the N94 T/A style fresh air hood from the factory: a blue 340 car; a green 383 car; the above mentioned red Hemi car; and ... another Hemi car, but in black. So it seems that there is not one Hemi Challenger RT with a T/A hood (376234), but two ... 376234 AND JS23R0B336419.
Here's the tag posted by Jim Patterson on Bryan Blake's aforementioned facebook page.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Challenger%2520RTs%2F70RT-336419ft%2520jul16fb.jpg&hash=81aaeefa8265bba48affe10b836f664c1fb82ec8)
And the associated commentary posted along with the pic of the tag.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Challenger%2520RTs%2F70RT-336419fb%2520jul16fb.jpg&hash=e68216a8ce0859f3c0ed09ba9a0df7c77bd8605f)
And if you really want to read some more commentary (or "debate" depending on how you read it) on these N94 equipped non-T/A Challengers bang it here to read a Moparts thread on the subject
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1033211/1.html (http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1033211/1.html)
Enjoy, and lets here your thoughts on these three elusive pachyderms. :popcorn:
How about this Hemicuda ? Do you know about this one ?
Quote from: anlauto on May 11, 2018, 04:59:28 PM
How about this Hemicuda ? Do you know about this one ?
:rubeyes: Very nice ... :thinking: I don't think I have seen that one before. :no:
Do you know more and want to share?? :notsure:
Quote from: RzeroB on May 11, 2018, 06:19:19 PM
Quote from: anlauto on May 11, 2018, 04:59:28 PM
How about this Hemicuda ? Do you know about this one ?
:rubeyes: Very nice ... :thinking: I don't think I have seen that one before. :no:
Do you know more and want to share?? :notsure:
Just a picture I found on the internet ;)
Quote from: RzeroB on May 02, 2018, 05:47:24 PM
JS23R0B339298 is 1 of 287 made for the U.S. market and of those 1 of 137 with a 4-speed. With an SPD of 513 it was scheduled to be built on Wednesday, May 13th 1970. Once built and released from the factory, it was then shipped off to the tiny "Sid's Motor Sales" dealership in Thief River Falls Minnesota.
Hey! I went to college and met my wife in Thief River Falls... very cool history on these cars, gotta follow this thread more. Thanks for sharing the info.. :cheers:
TX9 N94 Challenger
I've been slacking this month ... sorry about that.
Our last offering was a trio of cars so obscure that we only got to see little pieces of them such as their fender tags. So lets switch it up and take a look at a car that has been making the rounds lately at the Mecum auctions. In fact, if you tuned into the Mecum Indy auction this past week, you may have seen Lot 164.1 cross the blocks on Friday. Just in case you missed it, here is Lot 164.1 again, or as we more intimately like to refer to it by it's "given name" ... JS23R0B339366.
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JS23R0B339366 was offered for sale my Harold Messner and sell it did going for $264,000. Not too shabby for a Hemi Challenger R/T, unless you consider that Mr Messner bought it from Wayne Schmeeckle only 28 months earlier at the 2016 Mecum Kissimmee auction for $290,000. I do not know the reason for the apparent decline in perceived value of this car as it is well documented and has some very desirable options to it.
Bang it here to see the Mecum ad from Indy 2018
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0518-326864/1970-dodge-hemi-challenger-rt/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0518-326864/1970-dodge-hemi-challenger-rt/)
And here to see the Mecum ad from Kissimmee 2016 https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0116-229825/1970-dodge-hemi-challenger-rt/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0116-229825/1970-dodge-hemi-challenger-rt/)
JS23R0B339366 is a "May baby" having been scheduled for production on the May 13th 1970 (SPD 513). It is 1 of only 287 Hemi Challenger R/T's made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 137 with a 4 speed. It is finished in FC7 Plum-Crazy with a V1X black vinyl top, V6X black longitudinal stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
Besides the Hemi, one of the things that makes this car special is that it is one of only a handful of Hemi Challenger R/T's that came equipped from the factory with the N96 Shaker Hood. The Shaker hood was available very early in the model year, was pulled to correct a "crumple-zone" engineering issue, and then reintroduced as an option very late in the model year. The Mecum ad says that there were only "5" Hemi Challenger R/T's factory equipped with the Shaker. I don't know the definitive answer, but I have seen other figures where it was higher than that. Who knows? Maybe some of our more astute members (Dan P. from Vegas??) know??
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Don't know who the new owner might be ... is it YOU?? Hopefully whoever it is will enjoy it for a while and not bring it back to auction anytime soon. Lastly, in case you missed it, the 2016 Mecum Kissimmee ad had a really cool video of this car embedded in the ad. Check out the video here
Pick a Pair of Pachyderm Packing Purple Plymouths ...
Ok, how about this pair ... they're almost twins ... not identical twins, but fraternal twins being that they were both scheduled to have been "born" on the same day (May 25th SPD 525), have sequential VIN numbers, but have a couple of subtle differences between them.
This is BS23R0B349098 ...
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And this is it's fraternal twin BS23R0B349099 ...
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The "twins" are so similar it's sometimes a little difficult to tell them apart. They're both In-Violet, both ride on steel wheels with hubcaps, both have automatic transmissions with console mounted Slap-Stiks, both have black vinyl interiors and both have the non-Rallye "cyclops" instrument cluster.
Here is 349098's interior ...
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and here is 349099's interior ...
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Looks almost identical don't they? Perhaps the most noticeable difference between them is that 349098 has a "bald" head while 349099 has a "full head of black hair" ... in other words, 349098 has a painted top and 349099 has a black vinyl top. In addition, 349098 has a standard LH outside mirror while 349099 has a pair of painted Sport Mirrors.
349098's "bald head" ...
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and 349099's "full head of black hair" ...
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Pretty cool Pair of Purple Plymouths!! 349098 has been sold and I do not know who the new owner may be. However, 349099 is still for sale as far as I know and it's owner is here on the forum. It's being marketed through Champion Motors out of New York and you can see the ad if you bang it here
https://www.championmotorsinternational.com/1970-plymouth-barracuda-hemi-c-851.htm?make=Plymouth (https://www.championmotorsinternational.com/1970-plymouth-barracuda-hemi-c-851.htm?make=Plymouth)
:wrenching: Oh, hey there! Working on our next feature car and it's a stellar example of what this thread is all about.
Ever see one of those cars that gets you excited just looking at it? You stare ... your pulse quickens ... you start salivating like Pavlov's dog?? This is one of those cars!! Try not to stare ... it's almost impossible!! Admit it ... this beauty gets your blood pumping!! Grab your bibs, cause for those afflicted with chronic HemiCuda-itis, this stunner is a total drool-fest on wheels!! :drooling:
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This is BS23R1B405079, 1 of only 107 1971 HemiCuda''s made for the U.S. market, 1 of 59 with a 4-speed and the only one finished in FJ6 Sassy-Grass-Green with a H6XW white vinyl interior.
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This is the former Scott Lindsey car. Scott had discovered the car in Virginia where it had been completely disassembled in anticipation of beginning a complete restoration ... someday. For whatever reason that "someday" never came before the owner decided to put it up for sale as a disassembled project. Scott saw this as an investment opportunity, bought the car, boxed it all up, and carted it home to Oklahoma. Maybe it was Scott's intention all along, but when he got the "project" home to Oklahoma, he decided to put it up for sale. Here is his ad that he placed in the April 1997 issue of Mopar Collector's Guide.
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Enter Darrell Smith. When Scott picked up the car in Virginia, it had some "extra" parts such as Elastomeric bumpers, window louvers, Go-Wing, etc., that the previous owner had intended to "upgrade" the car with. Darrell Smith wanted the car, but was a bit short of the $50,000 asking price. Eventually Darrell and Scott struck a deal where Scott would keep all of the "extra" parts in exchange for selling the car to Darrell "for around $40,000."
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Darrell enlisted the help of Jeff's Restorations in Taylor Texas to put the HemiCuda back together again and the results are the gorgeous this Sassy-Grass-Green beauty that you see here. Mopar Collector's Guide did a great article on the car, how Scott Lindsey acquired it, and how Darrell Smith bought it from Scott and had it restored. Bang it here to the article from the January 2006 issue of MCG
http://moparcollectorsguide.com/onlinemags/members/allonline/2006/feb06/index.php (http://moparcollectorsguide.com/onlinemags/members/allonline/2006/feb06/index.php)
But the story doesn't end there. Shortly after the MCG article came out, Darrell decided to sell this exceptional HemiCuda. Darrell enlisted the help of Worldwide Auctioneers and here is their ad from their May 2006 Houton auction.
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As can be seen from the ad, this car was THEE star atraction of the entire auction. Note the simple, but powerful two line statement in the ad - "all numbers matching 4-speed, 1 of 1 Sassy-Grass-Green w/white interior, fully documented, multiple award winner, simply the best." No doubt that it was as the car hammer-sold for reportedly more than (are you ready for this?) seven-figures (one million dollars)! Wow! Talk about return on investment!! As you may have guessed, the new owners are none other than those mysterious guys from the Pacific Northwest ... The Brothers ... who are those guys?? (you have to say it like Paul Newman in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid when referring to the Pinkerton posse!!).
The car is currently on loan (along with a few others from The Brother's Collection) to the World of Speed museum in Wilsonville Oregon (or at least it was??). So if you have never laid eys on this stunner and might be in the area, be sure to drop by the museum and take a look ... but don't forget your bib!! :drooling:
Special thanks to Robert Classen for posting the two pictures of the car in the museum to the Factory 426 Hemi Cars (no clones) facebook page.
:inlove: :popcorn:
Quote from: RzeroB on May 22, 2018, 06:07:53 PM
Pick a Pair of Pachyderm Packing Purple Plymouths ...
Ok, how about this pair ... they're almost twins ... not identical twins, but fraternal twins being that they were both scheduled to have been "born" on the same day (May 25th SPD 525), have sequential VIN numbers, but have a couple of subtle differences between them.
This is BS23R0B349098 ...
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And this is it's fraternal twin BS23R0B349099 ...
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The "twins" are so similar it's sometimes a little difficult to tell them apart. They're both In-Violet, both ride on steel wheels with hubcaps, both have automatic transmissions with console mounted Slap-Stiks, both have black vinyl interiors and both have the non-Rallye "cyclops" instrument cluster.
Here is 349098's interior ...
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and here is 349099's interior ...
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Looks almost identical don't they? Perhaps the most noticeable difference between them is that 349098 has a "bald" head while 349099 has a "full head of black hair" ... in other words, 349098 has a painted top and 349099 has a black vinyl top. In addition, 349098 has a standard LH outside mirror while 349099 has a pair of painted Sport Mirrors.
349098's "bald head" ...
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and 349099's "full head of black hair" ...
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Pretty cool Pair of Purple Plymouths!! 349098 has been sold and I do not know who the new owner may be. However, 349099 is still for sale as far as I know and it's owner is here on the forum. It's being marketed through Champion Motors out of New York and you can see the ad if you bang it here https://www.championmotorsinternational.com/1970-plymouth-barracuda-hemi-c-851.htm?make=Plymouth (https://www.championmotorsinternational.com/1970-plymouth-barracuda-hemi-c-851.htm?make=Plymouth)
I used to own and restored 349099, it's the origin of my FC7Cuda name. Really nice car, but afew small issues.
On to June ... a little late getting this month started ... so lets get to it!! :drinkingbud:
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Our first June car is JS23R0B371978 and it was scheduled to roll down the line at Hamtramck on June 8th (SPD 608). It is finished in the very appropriate color of EV2 Hemi-Orange along with a V1X black vinyl top, a H6X9 black vinyl interior and those cool looking color matched steel wheels and dog-dish hubcaps.
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From the Fender-Tag we can see that it is a 4-speed and it's equipped with the A33 3:54 geared Track-Pack Axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G34 painted LH Sport Mirror among other things. Note the Y09 code indicating that the car was ordered for the international market. It is also the only known "Y09" international sales code '70 Hemi Challenger RT that I know of. The car was presumably ordered by a U.S. military member stationed overseas and picked up upon his return to the U.S.
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Clean, like new interior, with the highly desired R22 AM/8-track radio/tape player. :wowzers:
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Cool picture featuring the iconic "Pistol-Grip" 4-speed shifter. :drooling:
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I don't think that's the factory enamel paint ... just look at that EV2 Hemi-Orange paint shine - looks like glass!! :takealook:
When the car was for sale with WeBe Autos they made a great video of it. Make sure you have the sound on as this Hemi has a great exhaust note to it (don't they all?). Enjoy!! :cheers:
Beautiful car. :bigthumb:
Good to see no stripes, just body lines.
Like most all of the Hemi E-body convertibles, this apex fish needs no introduction. This '70 HemiCuda 'vert was scheduled to be the last Hemi powered E-body 'vert to roll out of Hamtramck in 1970 with an SPD of 605.
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BS27R0B363502 is 1 of 18 1970 Hemi Cuda convertibles ever made. 1 of 14 made for the U.S. market and of those, 1 of only 9 with an automatic. It is finished in EW1 Alpine White with V6X black "hockey stick" stripes and a H6E4 red vinyl interior and a V3X black convertible top - a rather striking combination! This car is also equipped with the A62 Rallye Gauge Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, P31 Power Windows and S77 Power Steering among other things.
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Now that is a "red" interior - that H6E4 red viny interior is so "red" that it almost looks like it is glowing and shouting out "hey! look at me!" Apparently that was the whole point. The car was ordered by a dealer in New Jersey who wanted a car with an attention getting combination to it to attract potential customers into the dealership. Instead of springing for a lesser car in a wild color combination, this dealer surprisingly went all-out with this HemiCuda 'vert.
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A lot of these cars have some interesting history behind them - and this one is no exception. Around 1980 or so, the car found itself in Tom's River NJ owned by a man who allegedly developed a bad drug habit. Whether it was because of the drugs or something else, the man became paranoid that somebody was going to try and steal the HemiCuda - so he literally chained it to a tree!! Soon after that the word got about the car. Bill Rolick tracked down the leads and eventually found it. However, when he attempted to talk to the man about it, he was allegedly chased off of the property with a gun!! After that, the man moved the HemiCuda into a dilapidated old garage to hide it - and chained it to the foundation!!
Time passed and the man left his home and family allegedly to enter drug rehap, or move to Europe, depending on which story you heard. Anyway, he never came back and his wife assumed ownership of the car. Tragically she died in a car wreck a short time later leaving their three children, and the HemiCuda, in the care of grandpa and grandma (you can't make this stuff up!!).
Mopar people still knew the car was out there ... somewhere, and around 1999 Steve Juliano got involved. Steve actually managed to meet with grandpa and see the car. Steve made an offer of reportedly $225,000 but grandpa turned him down saying that the HemiCuda was the only thing of any value that the kids inherited and whatever it was going to sell for would be split three-ways to benefit the kids. In 2002 Galen got involved, inspected the car and gave it his GG report and appraisal which really pumped up granpa's expectations as to what it could sell for. Steve came back again and pumped up his offer to $325,000, but grandpa turned him down again citing the appraisal by GG. Frustrated, Steve dropped out, but Dave Mamulski stepped in ... and stepped up, by offering $460,000 for the car. Grandpa liked Dave's number and a deal was finally struck!!
At the 2011 Russo and Steele Scottsdale auction the car was offered up for sale ... and it sold ... for $1.705 million!! Whew!! If grandpa had held out a few more years he really would have set the kids up ... for life!!
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And we all know who the buyers were ... those mysterious guys from the Pacific Northwest ... The Brothers (who are those guys??). Here is the car in an episode of their "Muscle Car of the Week" video series. Enjoy!!
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This is BS23R0B376069. I don't know what those guys looking at so closely on the passenger side of the engine compartment? :notsure: Don't they know the "fender tag" is on the other side over on the driver's inner fender? :looney:
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Here's the fender tag those guys are NOT looking at. It's a little hard to read, but from it we can see that this HemiCuda came dressed from the factory in FF4 Lime-Green with a H6X9 black vinyl interior. It also has a 4-speed, A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes and a C16 Center Console. Lastly we can see that this HemiCuda was scheduled to roll down the line at Hamtramck on June 12th as indicated by it's SPD of 612.
Since these guys obviously are not looking at the "fender tag", what are they looking at so closely? What? They're looking at another tag on the passenger side inner fender? :rubeyes: Oh, I get it, it must be an "export tag" they're looking at! :yes: (Hmmm? I had a pic of that "export" tag ... but the operative word here is "had" as in past tense)
Yes it is! This HemiCuda was sold new in the U.S, but it didn't stay there for long. Inspired by the success of Henri Chemin and his French racing HemiCudas, Jean Francois Morel of France purchased this car in 1972 and had it "exported" over to France. Jean Francois brought the car to France to complete in the same road courses and hill climbs that Chemin was having so much success with in his cars. Here is the car in it's racing livery wearing it's French registration of 2566-RQ-31.
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After years of successful campaigning, it was retired and placed into storage. Years later in 2004, it was discovered, and shipped back across the Atlantic, but this time to Canada and some lucky Canadian. The car was subsequently restored back to it's original form as can be seen in the first picture and is still in Canada as far as I know.
This was a hard car to find pictures of. These are the only three pics of this car that I have. If you have more pics, or info on it, by all means post it up! :takepicture:
A few of the "Chemin" 70 Hemicuda Y09 international export cars. Not sure which is which.. Tag is for "blue" race car.
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This is BS23R0B376069. I don't know what those guys looking at so closely on the passenger side of the engine compartment? :notsure: Don't they know the "fender tag" is on the other side over on the driver's inner fender? :looney:
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Here's the fender tag those guys are NOT looking at. It's a little hard to read, but from it we can see that this HemiCuda came dressed from the factory in FF4 Lime-Green with a H6X9 black vinyl interior. It also has a 4-speed, A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes and a C16 Center Console. Lastly we can see that this HemiCuda was scheduled to roll down the line at Hamtramck on June 12th as indicated by it's SPD of 612.
Since these guys obviously are not looking at the "fender tag", what are they looking at so closely? What? They're looking at another tag on the passenger side inner fender? :rubeyes: Oh, I get it, it must be an "export tag" they're looking at! :yes: (Hmmm? I had a pic of that "export" tag ... but the operative word here is "had" as in past tense)
Yes it is! This HemiCuda was sold new in the U.S, but it didn't stay there for long. Inspired by the success of Henri Chemin and his French racing HemiCudas, Jean Francois Morel of France purchased this car in 1972 and had it "exported" over to France. Jean Francois brought the car to France to complete in the same road courses and hill climbs that Chemin was having so much success with in his cars. Here is the car in it's racing livery wearing it's French registration of 2566-RQ-31.
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After years of successful campaigning, it was retired and placed into storage. Years later in 2004, it was discovered, and shipped back across the Atlantic, but this time to Canada and some lucky Canadian. The car was subsequently restored back to it's original form as can be seen in the first picture and is still in Canada as far as I know.
This was a hard car to find pictures of. These are the only three pics of this car that I have. If you have more pics, or info on it, by all means post it up! :takepicture:
Passenger side of FF4 car.. funny it says Y05 of the fendertag but here is the French export tag. Also, this is a late built car.
Thanks for all the extra pics Nicklas!! :thankyou:
With your first post, I had seen the pics of Chemin's restored blue car ... but all the pics of the red cars are new to me. A few years ago, I stumbled onto a website aptly named "french racing hemi cuda" (or something to that effect). I knew nothing of the Chrysler France racing program before I stumbled upon that website. It was by a frenchman who pretty much chronicled the progression of the program from it's inception in the mid '60's up to it's demise in the mid '70's. There were multiple cars and most VINs were listed but for the most part they identified each car only by their registration (license plate) numbers. That would have been fine, but there were a couple of cars which had different registration numbers over the course of their career and there were others where the registration number wasn't linked to a particular VIN. It was a fascinating read, but sadly it's now gone as the web link is dead and only gives you the "404 error - target not found" when you click on it. :( I'm going to cross reference some of those registration numbers in the pics and see what I can find.
As for your second post, great find on the export tag for the FF4 car!! Yes it has an export tag on it, but it was sold new in the U.S., hence the YO5 sales code. Jean Francois Morel didn't purchase it and have it exported over to France until 1972.
Thanks again Nicklas!! :bigthumb:
The first red car pic I can't make out the registration number ... ??8 C? 33 :notsure: Can't make out the second pic registration either ... ??6? RQ 77 :notsure: The third pic registration number is crystal clear ... but I can't correlate 9395 SF 77 to any of their R-code cars. :notsure: I did read where they also had a couple of non R-code cars that they swapped Hemi's into ... so maybe these first three pics are those cars??
I like the fourth pic, with the three 'Cuda's leading the charge! The good news is that with the lead car, 7405 QA 21, we got a hit!! It is R0B283733. Actually I should say "was". The story went that it was wrecked in a race in 1975. It went through different hands before it wound up with a guy in Norway where it was ultimately parted out and scrapped. :bye:
The blue and white car and associated tag are R0B249759 which was Chemin's car and you can almost make out the registration which is "6752 WK 75". That car was brought back to the U.S. in 2012 and was restored by Redline Restorations out of Connecticut for it's new owner Mike C.
Thanks again Nicklas for the great pics!! :bigthumb:
Tom,
That Lime Green car was restored by a friend, Serge Ste-Marie, in Quebec.
Here is the listing after Jonh Scotti bought it
http://www.johnscotticlassiccars.com/fr/occasion/inventaire/inventory-sold/plymouth-cuda-hemi-1970/6989632/
It was re-sold to a Chrysler dealer in Ontario, called Town and Country, for the owner's collection.
Ben
We went to the Newport Car Museum today with the East Coast Challenger Club (new generation). Looks like one of the twins lives there now. The Museum is about a year old and is located in Portsmouth, RI.
judy
Here is the 'cuda
Quote from: benlavigne on June 23, 2018, 06:03:56 PM
Tom,
That Lime Green car was restored by a friend, Serge Ste-Marie, in Quebec.
Here is the listing after Jonh Scotti bought it
http://www.johnscotticlassiccars.com/fr/occasion/inventaire/inventory-sold/plymouth-cuda-hemi-1970/6989632/
It was re-sold to a Chrysler dealer in Ontario, called Town and Country, for the owner's collection.
Ben
I didn't realize the car Serge did had that racing history...cool story...
Quote from: benlavigne on June 23, 2018, 06:03:56 PM
Tom,
That Lime Green car was restored by a friend, Serge Ste-Marie, in Quebec.
Here is the listing after Jonh Scotti bought it
http://www.johnscotticlassiccars.com/fr/occasion/inventaire/inventory-sold/plymouth-cuda-hemi-1970/6989632/
It was re-sold to a Chrysler dealer in Ontario, called Town and Country, for the owner's collection.
Ben
Thanks for the link and update Ben!! :bigthumb:
Are we looking at 3 factory 1970 N96 hemi Cuda's imported to france to race for one Team !!! :unbelievable:
Quote from: GY3R/T on June 23, 2018, 09:26:56 PM
Are we looking at 3 factory 1970 N96 hemi Cuda's imported to france to race for one Team !!! :unbelievable:
Thats far from all.. guess who took in the French 71 Hemicuda convertibles.. and there is 2 french export BS23R1B cars also..(4 export BS23R1B cars in total) one is now being restored in Sweden, its a GB5 car, the other car is still in France and its a GW3.. Both are 4 spd cars.. Cars were raced and after some accident they recived a 70 grille-some photos here..
Quote from: GY3R/T on June 23, 2018, 09:26:56 PM
Are we looking at 3 factory 1970 N96 hemi Cuda's imported to france to race for one Team !!! :unbelievable:
As far as I could determine from what information was available on that now defunct website, there were at least three R-code '70's and two '71's for a total of at least five factory HemiCuda's used by this racing team. They did have some other non R-code cars, including at least one '70 V-code, that they swapped Hemi's into. There may be more, as some of the license registrations numbers listed in the website articles and seen in pictures, have no VIN referenced to them so who knows what type of car they left the factory as?? Interesting stuff for sure!!
Great rare info and historical pictures :bigthumb:
Our next and last June born baby for this feature is this beautiful '71 Hemi Challenger RT.
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JS23R1B416925 is 1 of 70 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 58 with a 4-speed. It is finished in the very appropriately named EV2 Hemi-Orange and has V6X black RT stripes with a H6X9 black interior.
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Nice interior view. Out of all the different variations of vinyl interiors for the E-body, I like the one they put in the '71 Challenger the best.
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The Shaker hood is an added feature and did not come with the car from the factory. However, on the bright side, this Hemi Challenger RT does come with a very unique feature ... a "Mini-Me" of itself!
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From the background we can see that this car, like a surprising number of other high-end cars, spent some time passing through Greg Nelson's Mopar Ponderosa up in Minnesota.
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And like many other high-end E-bodies, this Hemi Challenger RT has made the rounds at an auction of two. Here is a snap-shot of it's time through Barrett-Jackson's Scottsdale auction from way back in 2007. That was over 11 years ago now ... haven't seen any other auction results for this car since then. Who ever the lucky current owner of this car is must be rather pleased with it ... and they should be!
More 4 spds than autos in 71 I guess ,
Great color combo :twothumbsup:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on June 28, 2018, 09:33:49 PM
More 4 spds than autos in 71 I guess ,
Great color combo :twothumbsup:
Yeah I thought there were only 12 automatics
this "little" E74 HEMI engine OPTION description in the 1971 Challenger pocket salesman price guide is probably responsible for the lack of automatic HEMI 1971 Challenger R/Ts
:thinking: poorly written/edited
Quote from: 6bblgt on June 29, 2018, 12:50:50 PM
this "little" E74 HEMI engine OPTION description in the 1971 Challenger pocket salesman price guide is probably responsible for the lack of automatic HEMI 1971 Challenger R/Ts
:thinking: poorly written/edited
Wow! That's a major blunder
LOL as it should be why would you want Hemi with Auto :veryexcited:
Correct you are, Chris. Truth be told, I think I hit it, before Mike, but it was still a good match. My OPINION Is that, a four speed has more cache, but an automatic will win you more races (if you're into that). I bracket raced my Cuda for three years, and wouldn't trade, if given the choice. But now, I might be tempted.
July ... with only a few more weeks to go, the '70 model-year's production run is winding down and coming to an end. Pickings are slim, but we still have a few nice '70 cars left that were scheduled to roll out of Hamtramck in July.
Interestingly though, for the '71 model-year's production, there were no Hemi E-bodies that were scheduled to be built in July. The last '71 HemiCuda and Hemi Challenger were both scheduled to be built in mid-June. Of course that's "scheduled" to be built and not necessarily "in plant, in process" over at Hamtramck which could have been in July??
With out further ado, here are the "Johnny come lately" cars that rolled out of Hamtramck in the "eleventh hour" before production ended for the model-year ... and for the '71's, permanently ended Hemi E-body production.
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This is BS23R0B412027 and it was scheduled to be built on July 7th 1970. It is 1 of only 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4-speed. It is finished in EF8 Ivy-Green with V6X black "hockey stick" stripes, a V1X black vinyl top and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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The all important broadcast sheet clearly showing it's "707" SPD there on the top left side next to the VON. It's a bit hard to read, but what I gleaned from the build sheet is that this HemiCuda came equipped with the A01 Light Group Package, A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes and G31/G33 chrome Sport Mirrors among other nice things.
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Looking good from any angle, this EF8 Ivy-Green HemiCuda almost "camouflaged" as the Ivy-Green paint blends in pretty well with all of the pine trees in the background. If it wasn't for the chrome mirrors and bright rallye wheels, it just might blend in and become virtually invisible. In that kind of environment, Ivy-Green is a great color choice for "stalking" unsuspecting "victims" on the streets ... and also for avoiding undue attention from members of the law enforcement community!! :vipermanhiding:
Interestingly, this HemiCuda has a black Shaker bubble versus the usual Argent one for a '70. Was it changed by owner preference at some point, or was it a production change in preparation for what was coming with the '71 Shaker bubbles all being black?
As far as I can tell, this green beauty was last at auction in 2010 at Mecum's spring Indy event where it sold for $170K. Surpisingly, Mecum still has the ad for this car at that auction up and running even though it has been eight years since it has occured. Bang it here if you would like to see it
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0510-90168/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0510-90168/)
To whom it was sold, and where it might be now, I don't know, but I'm sure whoever has it now makes all of their friends "green with envy" over having picked up such a nice car!
Our next July baby was scheduled to roll down the line on the same day as our last featured car - July 7th (SPD 707).
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BS23R0B412035 is 1 of only 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in the not too common FT6 Burnt-Tan finish with V6X black "hockey stick" stripes and a H6T5 tan vinyl interior.
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This HemiCuda is nicely equipped with A01 Light Group Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, C16 Center Console with Slap-Stik, P31 Power Windows and a R11 AM Radio among other things. I think the H6T5 tan interior REALLY looks great with the FT6 Burnt-Tan exterior on this car - it's like they were made for each other!
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Searching the internet, I stumbled upon this old ad for the car by the Colonial Motor Company. I don't know how to decipher that date code on the bottom, but you know this ad is really old simply by the $60K asking price!
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I also found this more "recent" Barrett-Jackson ad for the car, although it is now from over 10 years ago. As we can see, in 2008 this car sold at auction for $165K - a hefty 100K more than it did with the Colonial Motor Company!
The ad also reveals some other interesting things about the car. After where it says it was manufactured on July 7th it says "#260 of 262 hardtops" - huh? GG inspected the car and "certified" it in 2002, so I assume it was "#260 of 262 hardtops" in GG's registry at the time? It goes on to say that the car is the 4th of only 4 HemiCuda's painted in FT6 - apparently FT6 Burnt-Tan wasn't a very popular color choice with the performance minded gearheads ordering these ultimate Cuda's new. Then it gets into the good stuff where it says the the car has not one, but three broadcast sheets and is numbers matching throughout.
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Now if I were shopping for a HemiCuda "daily driver" (hey, I can dream can't I?), this car would be hard to beat. Got the automatic and the standard 3:23 rear (didn't see any mention of an axle package) so it's good for cruising. Got the power windows and a center console for my Slurpee. It's painted in an uncommon, yet benign color that would help it blend in and avoid undue attention from Uncle Leo (unlike it's brethern painted in those loud High-Impact colors).
Personally, I REALLY like this one and I give it a solid "10". :perfect10: I don't know where it is today, or who owns it, but I would like to so I could see if they might be willing to part with it for a "Colonial Motor Company" kind of price! :andyangel:
I really like that car restored original like that.
A friend here in Ontario has the matching 440+6 Shaker Cuda, same colours, but he wants to paint it yellow :'(
What do you think
@Desmond (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/desmond_32) ? Every time I see this Hemicuda I think I want to buy that six pack version...
Actually looks pretty sharp...hmmmmmm.
Truly an unappreciated color back in the day, but not now. :bigthumb:
Quote from: fc7cuda on July 10, 2018, 06:28:05 AM
Truly an unappreciated color back in the day, but not now. :bigthumb:
I used to drive a FT6 A66 Challenger 4 speed everyday - it's a good color
We're almost to the end of the production year. Next we have not one, or two, but three '70 Hemi Challenger RT's that were all scheduled to roll down the line on Thursday July 23rd. That is a very late "build date" for the '70 model year. With the '71's starting production in August, I imagine the last day of '70 production might have been Friday, July 24th?? Or it might have even been a day earlier on Thursday July 23rd with these cars?? Either way, these three '70 Hemi Challenger RT's may have been the last Hemi E-bodies scheduled to be built for the 1970 model year (and if they weren't, they were darn close to being so!). So without further ado, allow me to introduce you to our three "finalist" for the 1970 model year ...
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JS23R0B440241 is 1 only 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. It is finished in EF8 Dark-Green with a nice looking H5F8 green and black cloth and vinyl "houndstooth" interior. With the highest VIN of the three, this Hemi Challenger RT may be the last Hemi E-body scheduled to be built for 1970?
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Interior view showing off the nice H5F8 green and black cloth and vinyl "houndstooth" interior. I really like these H5?? cloth and vinyl interiors!
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Impressive presence! I like this picture as it really shows how the big Hemi fills and dominates the engine bay! Besides the impressive Hemi, this car is also equipped with the A32 Super-Performance 4:10 geared Dana axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, J81 Go-Wing and P31 Power Windows among other cool things.
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Our next member of this trifecta is JS23R0B440219 which is also 1 of only 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. This one is finished in EB5 Bright-Blue with a sharp looking H6B5 blue vinyl interior.
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Beautiful H6B5 blue interior ... it really brightens up the interior and you don't see a whole lot of these in this color.
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Almost as impressive as the Hemi beneath it, the Shaker dominates the focus in this picture!
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From the fender tag we can see that this Hemi Challenger is equipped with the A01 Light Group Package, A32 Super-Performance 4:10 geared Dana axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console and the rare (for Challenger) N96 Shaker hood among other nice things.
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The final member of this trio is JS23R0B440239 which is also 1 of only 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. It is finished in EF8 Dark-Green with a H6F8 green vinyl interior.
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Interior view showing off the H6F8 green vinyl interior. The green carpets almost always look "brown" to me - is it just me?
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Like it's blue triplet sibling, this is another late build car equipped with the Shaker hood ... how cool is that??
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From it's fender tag we can see that it is equipped with the A01 Light Group Package; A32 Super-Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes and a C16 Center Console; H31 Rear Window Defogger and R11 AM Radio among other standard things.
There you have it! What a great way to finish up 1970 production with not one, or two, but THREE Hemi Challenger RT's all decked out with automatics and A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared axle packages! These three cars were featured in an issue of the now defunct Mopar Muscle Magazine (July 2004 issue I believe??) and that is where I found them. Unfortunately "moparmusclemagazine dot com" has been absorbed by the "HotRod Network" and my link to the article is now a dead-end. Anyway, hope you liked this "trifecta" of Hemi powered Challenger RT's cause I know I sure do!
What a great thread! Thanks RzeroB for all your hard work! :worship:
:iagree: super nice work TOM..
:cool: :thankyou:
:thinking: I wonder if the green Challenger came off the line with that fresh air base.
The Blue Shaker is very cool :twothumbsup:
723 was most likely Shaker Challenger day.
The two Hemi cars you showed and my own V code all have that SPD and I have seen others.
Also the highest SPD I've seen was for a V code Red Challenger of 730
Quote from: RzeroB on April 14, 2018, 08:19:42 PM
Dug around and found a couple of other pics of 307215 online ...
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307215 is in the foreground and the car in the background is another real Hemi Challenger RT convertible 221640. I believe this pic was taken at one of the Mopar Nats in the mid-eighties (Cheslea Proving Grounds in '85 maybe?) when 307215 was still owned by Bill Drake Sr and 221640 was owned by Rene Delisle.
I believe I took these pictures at the 1987 Mopar Nats in Columbus OH. I remember talking quite a bit with the owner of the shaker car (Rene?). He was a super nice guy. In that fourth photo, you can see a red Hemi challenger sitting next to the purple one. Unfortunately, I don't seem to have any close-ups of the red one.
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Great pics PC-RTSE!! Thanks for sharing!! :thankyou:
Fantastic pics of a fantastic Chall :twothumbsup:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on July 20, 2018, 11:47:09 PM
Fantastic pics of a fantastic Chall :twothumbsup:
Yeah, auto, power steering, power brakes, power windows AND an 8-Track!! ... I don't think I could have let that one go if it was mine!!
I just got back from the Syracuse Nationals show, And met the guy I first met A couple of years ago who has A 71 hemi challenger that bought NEW. I told him about this site, about this tread and about
@RzeroB (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rzerob_126) gave his wife the info about this place. hope he joins up, and tells all of you guys his story! :twothumbsup:
Quote from: JS29 on July 21, 2018, 02:51:35 PM
I just got back from the Syracuse Nationals show, And met the guy I first met A couple of years ago who has A 71 hemi challenger that bought NEW. I told him about this site, about this tread and about @RzeroB (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rzerob_126) gave his wife the info about this place. hope he joins up, and tells all of you guys his story! :twothumbsup:
Any details on the car?
Quote from: JS29 on July 21, 2018, 02:51:35 PM
I just got back from the Syracuse Nationals show, And met the guy I first met A couple of years ago who has A 71 hemi challenger that bought NEW. I told him about this site, about this tread and about @RzeroB (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rzerob_126) gave his wife the info about this place. hope he joins up, and tells all of you guys his story! :twothumbsup:
Cool. 8) I believe that I might already have it in the works. :cheers:
His story of ordering A new ford, friend worked for A dodge dealer and talked him out of B5 and convinced him to go FC7 and the dealer would not fix the paint that gave him trouble. I don't want to steel his thunder, so will let him tell it. he lives less than an hour from me. :cheers:
Late July ... the production year is coming to a close ... quickly. If you didn't get your order in by now ... you probably missed out. Kind of like being in the bottom of the ninth inning with two outs and an 0-2 count. Not likely ... but you could get lucky ... like our last two entries for the month. One, Mark alluded to in his post, will be featured on the last day of the month to give the owner time to join up and tell his story himself. The other we will post up now as our next to last featured car for the production year.
Today's feature car doesn't really need an introduction as it seems everybody already knows it. Why? With a scheduled build date of June 14th (SPD 614), it is reportedly thee last '71 HemiCuda ever built ... and nobody seems to love it very much. Yep! We're talking about BS23R1B429180 ... see, you knew it! It's a very nice and significant car as it is the last of it's breed ... but nobody seems to want to own it for very long! If you follow the auctions, it's like it has a standing reservation with the big auction companies as it is at auction almost all of the time! If you don't, just Google the VIN and you will see what I mean ... it's everywhere! It's like the "Rodney Dangerfield" of HemiCudas ... it "gets no respect!"
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BS23R1B429180 is 1 of only 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is finished in GB5 True-Blue with a H6X9 black vinyl interior. With the highest known VIN for a 1971 HemiCuda, this car is widely accepted as being the last HemiCuda ever built.
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The last HemiCuda ever made is somewhat sedate and not equipped with a bunch of attention getting options that these cars were known for. No Hi-Vis paint, no dual Racing Mirrors, no Rallye Wheels, no Go-Wing spoiler, and no in-your-face billboard stripes. Instead this HemiCuda was equipped with the A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, H31 Rear Window Defogger ... and the booming 2w R11 Music-Master AM Radio. Not very flamboyant, but a very effective end to a legend.
So why don't any of it's owners want to keep it for a while? It's a significant car and the exterior looks great ...
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The interior looks factory fresh too ...
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The Elephant looks well preserved and ready to stomp ...
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I don't know why "Rodney" HemiCuda doesn't get the respect it deserves? Maybe it's got something to do with it's history and the all important documentation? I just don't know ... What's that? The grill? Yes, there is something peculiar with the way the grill was finished with the inner parts of the "cheese-grater" being painted blue instead of argent ... but that can't be it!
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I don't know, but in my opinion it's a fine car with a very significant place in Mopar muscle car history as being thee last HemiCuda ever made. If you want to see the ad from it's latest appearance at auction, bang it here to see the ad from the Barrett-Jackson 2018 Scottsdale event
https://barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-PLYMOUTH-HEMI-CUDA-210229 (https://barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-PLYMOUTH-HEMI-CUDA-210229)
Seems perfect to me , just a few million short of owning it :Thud:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on July 24, 2018, 11:12:50 PM
Seems perfect to me , just a few million short of owning it :Thud:
Shouldn't the grill be argent?
Quote from: JS29 on July 21, 2018, 02:51:35 PM
I just got back from the Syracuse Nationals show, And met the guy I first met A couple of years ago who has A 71 hemi challenger that bought NEW. I told him about this site, about this tread and about @RzeroB (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rzerob_126) gave his wife the info about this place. hope he joins up, and tells all of you guys his story! :twothumbsup:
As Mark mentioned, I was hoping Bill and Judy would show up here on the site and tell their story about their '71 Hemi Challenger RT. It's always better to get the story straight from the source versus a roundabout manner from other sources. Maybe they're here already and just laying low but I haven't seen any indication of it? As such, I'll just muddle through the preliminary stuff of the story as best I can trying not to screw it up and hope that they chime in at some point with some of the finer details. It's almost anti-climatic since you guys have known it was coming for a week or two now, so without further ado, lets bring on on last featured car for the production year ...
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Say "hello" to JS23R1B435191 and it's one and only owner Bill (on the right). It is 1 of only 70 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 58 with a 4-speed. It is finished in FC7 Plum-Crazy with V6W white RT stripes and a H6X9 black interior.
Bill is more of a blue kind of guy and is wearing a very comfortable looking pair of blue-jeans and a matching blue shirt. Bill's love of blue runs deep as he was (prior to buying the Challenger) a pretty die-hard fan of the Blue-Oval brand. Without trying to paraphrase the story, here is an excerpt from Dave's (aka "69_Six_Pack") thread about Bill and his Challenger over on Moparts ...
"The story on how he came to own the car was pretty cool. He said he was a 100% Ford guy and had just ordered a 1971 Boss 351 Mustang, went to work on the midnight shift and when he got home he got a call from the local Dodge dealer. He had heard he had ordered a new Mustang and wanted him to come down to the dealership to check out the Challenger. He told him that there was no chance he was buying a Dodge but decided to drop by for some fun, As they sat down at the desk and went through the Challenger and the options they ended up building Hemi Challenger that was equipped with close to the same options that he had ordered with his Mustang, that is why you see the spoiler package. The first shocker came when they tallied up the price...the Challenger and the Mustang came within $22 of each other! Pretty much a no brainer at the point but Bill (the Challenger owner) thought to himself not soo fast...no why these guys are going to be able to match what the Ford dealer is giving me for my trade.a 1967 Ford Fairlane GT 390 4-Speed. What about my trade Bill said....will how much was Ford offering?...I am not telling you that Bill said chuckling. Anyway the Dodge boys go out and check out the trade in....come back in and say its worth $1500....Bill puts his head down....well what was Ford offering? $1100 says Bill....the Dodge sticks out his hand and says I guess we have a deal....and that's how a Ford guy comes to own one of fifty eight or so 1971 Hemi Challenger R/T's."
I think that's a pretty cool story!! When I think about it, I think it's amazing that Bill was swayed to change brand loyalties!! Must of been one heck of a salesman who managed to get Bill to switch from the Blue-Oval to the Pentstar!! Just goes to show what a progressive open-minded kind of guy he is ... I think I would have been too closed-minded to have done it myself.
Here's the link to Dave's thread on this car over on Moparts
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2242876/re-is-this-71-hemi-challenger-in-the-running-for-the-last-hemi.html (http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2242876/re-is-this-71-hemi-challenger-in-the-running-for-the-last-hemi.html)
Anyway, let's continue on with the car and take a peek at the fender tag ...
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Looking at the fender tag we can see that this Hemi Challenger is equipped with the A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, A45 Aero Package (front and rear spoilers), B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console and the mighty 2w Music Master AM Radio among other things.
However, what is most significant about this fender tag, and this car, is it's VIN of 435191 and it's Scheduled Production Date of 616 (June 16th). It is 6,011 assigned VINs and two production days later than the last known '71 HemiCuda 429180. Therefore, this car, 435191, is not only 1 of 70 '71 Hemi Challenger RT's, but is also generally accepted as being THEE last Hemi E-body ever made!! How cool is that??!!
But it almost didn't come to be. Per Stanley Davoy's conversation about this car on Bryan Blakes "Factory 426 Hemi Cars (no clones)" facebook page, Ola Nilsson commented that initially Dodge rejected Bill's order for the car because it was submitted too late in the model year and Hamtramck was weeks behind on production with the orders they already had. Bill and the dealer persisted, some "strings were pulled" and the car was eventually built at some point, but so late that according to Scott Robinson, Bill had to wait all the way until Sept 14th 1971 to take delivery of the car!!
Here's the link to Stanley's conversation on this car over on facebook https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1171144466239400&set=pcb.1034063833344842&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1171144466239400&set=pcb.1034063833344842&type=3&theater)
And if for some reason you can't get the above links to work, here are some additional pictures from those two sources ...
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Notice anything interesting here?? Correct!! This car has BOTH the Dodge AND Plymouth style fron spoilers on it!! Front spoilers were not installed at the factory but instead were shipped in the trunk and the dealerships installed them. Apparently Hamtramck was clearing out the spoiler bins and tossed both sets of spoilers into the trunk of this Challenger and the dealer dutifully installed them both!!
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Nice looking interior. I don't know about you, but I think the '71 Challenger H6?? vinyl bucket seats were perhaps the best vinyl interior of any year E-body ... just saying.
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The elephant looks as potent today as it ever was. Bill supposedly raced it "back in the day" ... I wonder if he still "leans" on it every now and then to give it proper exercise??
Well there you have it, a years worth of Hemi E-bodies starting with the first Hemi E-body '70 HemiCuda BS23R0B100003 and ending with the last Hemi E-body '71 Hemi Challenger RT JS23R1B435191. Hope you enjoyed the thread and that maybe you saw one or two that you had never seen before. Fun stuff for sure. Thanks!!
Beautiful Chall :twothumbsup:
Yup that's the one! good guy to talk to. he wanted B5 but the salesmen said they just sold A blue one and convinced him to go FC7. He also said the spoilers were on the car when it came off the delivery truck, Govear said no way and asked him if he was there when it was unloaded. he told him YES he was, And they were on it when it came off the truck. he lives one County away from me, so I hope to see him again. :1place: Mark.
Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and I'm really happy to find all these Hemi E-body data in this thread. I've been working on a personal project about the 12 JS27 Hemi ragtop, and found 2 FC7 that are not accounted for.
One is in this link:
https://www.apexautosports.com/portfolio-item/1970-challenger-convert/ (https://www.apexautosports.com/portfolio-item/1970-challenger-convert/)
It's said to be a real Hemi ragtop and is owned by Dave Christenholz, and is also a 4-speed with black interior, so is it one of the 4 black interior car, 171715, 171916, 229923 and 307215, as all these 4 cars have rallye wheels, or is it just another found?
The other one was present at Chrysler's 100th Anniversary and served as a media test drive car. No further infomation could be found, but I though it should be from Chrysler's factory collection. It has a black Shaker and no stripes.
If both cars are real, does it make 7 FC7 cars?
Thanks!
Quote from: NOS_Dylan on August 08, 2018, 11:00:13 PM
Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and I'm really happy to find all these Hemi E-body data in this thread. I've been working on a personal project about the 12 JS27 Hemi ragtop, and found 2 FC7 that are not accounted for.
One is in this link: https://www.apexautosports.com/portfolio-item/1970-challenger-convert/ (https://www.apexautosports.com/portfolio-item/1970-challenger-convert/)
It's said to be a real Hemi ragtop and is owned by Dave Christenholz, and is also a 4-speed with black interior, so is it one of the 4 black interior car, 171715, 171916, 229923 and 307215, as all these 4 cars have rallye wheels, or is it just another found?
The other one was present at Chrysler's 100th Anniversary and served as a media test drive car. No further infomation could be found, but I though it should be from Chrysler's factory collection. It has a black Shaker and no stripes.
If both cars are real, does it make 7 FC7 cars?
Thanks!
Dave Christenholz broke up his collection around 2007-2008, he sold off some cars & the remaining cars were sold thru a MECUM auction in May 2008
looks like the Challenger was already gone, but I'm sure it is one of the "known" cars (possibly the FC7 JS27R0B owned currently by the "brothers"?)
https://www.mecum.com/news/2008/01/10/vip-preview-of-the-david-christenholz-collection-at-scottsdale-az/2001/
not sure a car used by Chrysler at the 100th anniversary was a real HEMI Challenger R/T convertible
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 10, 2018, 10:37:08 PM
Quote from: NOS_Dylan on August 08, 2018, 11:00:13 PM
One is in this link: https://www.apexautosports.com/portfolio-item/1970-challenger-convert/ (https://www.apexautosports.com/portfolio-item/1970-challenger-convert/)
It's said to be a real Hemi ragtop and is owned by Dave Christenholz, and is also a 4-speed with black interior, so is it one of the 4 black interior car, 171715, 171916, 229923 and 307215, as all these 4 cars have rallye wheels, or is it just another found?
Dave Christenholz broke up his collection around 2007-2008, he sold off some cars & the remaining cars were sold thru a MECUM auction in May 2008
looks like the Challenger was already gone, but I'm sure it is one of the "known" cars (possibly the FC7 JS27R0B owned currently by the "brothers"?)
https://www.mecum.com/news/2008/01/10/vip-preview-of-the-david-christenholz-collection-at-scottsdale-az/2001/
not sure a car used by Chrysler at the 100th anniversary was a real HEMI Challenger R/T convertible
Right you are 6bblgt! This Christenholz/Apex car is 171916. I don't know its earliest history, but starting from about 1990 owners included Walt Downer (who started but I don't believe completed a restoration), Dave Christenholz (who apparently had it restored by Aloha, which later spun off to become Apex), Bill Wiemann, and is now owned by the Brothers. I believe Wiemann was the one who added the blackout hood and white longitudinal stripes that it still has on it now. Of the 12 known JS27R0Bs 5 are FC7, 4 are sticks with black interiors and one auto with white interior.
- Wade
The FC7 with white interior and auto is one of the three Canadian JS27R0B cars.
I am loving this thread. I thought I would add some pictures of a 1970 Hemi cuda I owned from 1999 to 2015....
This car is unusual because it is one of the very few V02 code 2-Tone 1970 Hemi cuda's known to exist. I only know of 3, perhaps members on here know of more?
I know of a red car with black roof and a white car with B5 blue roof?.. and my car FC7 with EW1 white roof. I think that makes it the only 2-tone 1970 Hemi Cuda in a high impact colour.
I don't know the early history of this car except that some time in the 1970's it arrived in Sweden and did some race duty. It came to the UK in 1989 and I bought it in 1999, the car has always remained completely rust free. I sold it in 2015 and shipped it to its new owner back to Sweden. Here's some pic's, I have included a page from a Hot Rod magazine from when this Hemi Cuda visited California for a few weeks in c.1985.
(https://s25.postimg.cc/x0u4x7re7/L1000093.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8x3d8x8x7/)
(https://s25.postimg.cc/yfvplxd1r/L1000092.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fasgc5ydn/)
(https://s25.postimg.cc/qzwg03mrj/DSC00275.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s25.postimg.cc/9lc7sexin/V02_Hemicuda_Fender_tag.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s25.postimg.cc/rpf8chagf/Cuda_USA.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Great car! Thanks for posting.
Quote from: Jim W on August 27, 2018, 02:45:22 AM
I am loving this thread. I thought I would add some pictures of a 1970 Hemi cuda I owned from 1999 to 2015....
This car is unusual because it is one of the very few V02 code 2-Tone 1970 Hemi cuda's known to exist. I only know of 3, perhaps members on here know of more?
I know of a red car with black roof and a white car with B5 blue roof?.. and my car FC7 with EW1 white roof. I think that makes it the only 2-tone 1970 Hemi Cuda in a high impact colour.
I don't know the early history of this car except that some time in the 1970's it arrived in Sweden and did some race duty. It came to the UK in 1989 and I bought it in 1999, the car has always remained completely rust free. I sold it in 2015 and shipped it to its new owner back to Sweden. Here's some pic's, I have included a page from a Hot Rod magazine from when this Hemi Cuda visited California for a few weeks in c.1985.
(https://s25.postimg.cc/x0u4x7re7/L1000093.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8x3d8x8x7/)
(https://s25.postimg.cc/yfvplxd1r/L1000092.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fasgc5ydn/)
(https://s25.postimg.cc/qzwg03mrj/DSC00275.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s25.postimg.cc/9lc7sexin/V02_Hemicuda_Fender_tag.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s25.postimg.cc/rpf8chagf/Cuda_USA.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Cool, my friend here in Sweden owns it now.
Happy Hemi Day!!
Kind of took a bit of a hiatus to take care of some stuff on the health and home front ....
You guys (and gals?) want to see some more of this stuff??
Or has it ran it's course and we should just let it go as is??
Suggestions welcomed for improving it ... or putting it to rest.
Hi Tom good to see you back on the board again And I for one would like to see more. I really enjoyed reading about each car and the detail you provided for each. I also think it would be interesting to see some sort of summation of the vehicles you have records of broken down in whatever fashion you might find interesting- color, transmission, quantities, etc. hope you're feeling OK and everything's all right at home. again good to have you back.
I have missed the additions to this thread !
Welcome back & Happy Birthday Tom !!
I hope you got you health sorted out .
I would love to see more. :bravo:
Did we ever do a spread on Bill's Cuda...Floorit426? :thinking:
Quote from: Topcat on April 26, 2019, 11:46:46 PM
I would love to see more. :bravo:
:iagree: Keep going I'm enjoying this thread! Just wondering if you have any info or know if this one still exists? I don't have any other info such as vin etc... just curious if it still exists? Gord Coats passed away a few years ago. He did a lot for local racing around these parts mostly circle track racing but he did venture into drag racing in the " glory years" Gord always treated me really good and I have many fun memories because of him. I didn't know Don Cloake but as far as I know is still active with Drag racing.
Just found this..... so maybe it wasn't a hemi car after all?
http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/backintheday3.html
Yes keep this thread going! It has always been one of my favorites. :twothumbsup:
I vote KEEP IT GOING! :1place:
Okay, we will keep this thing going and do another series of great cars.
In the last series we kind of went chronologically by production month. We're going to change than up with this series ...
As the title of thread suggests, we're going to go completely random this time around. And as Mike (Topcat) suggested, I'd also like to encourage more member participation. So if you are lucky enough to have a Hemi under the hood of your E-body (Bill aka Floorit426), the forum is open and ready for you to post up some pics and tell us about your car!
As an added feature, we going to try a "preview" pic, VIN or something of what will be coming the following week. With the broad depth of experience present here on the forum, your collective knowledge of these cars far exceeds mine. By posting a "preview" you guys (and gals) may know more about the featured subject and can post up your pics, info or personal experience with the subject car.
So to kick off this new series, I'm going straight to the top and swinging for the fences and a home-run. If I had the opportunity and the means, this is THEE Hemi E-body that I would want in my garage. Here's a preview pic to whet your appetite and more will follow on it in the next few days. Hopefully this new series will be a heck of a ride!! :burnout:
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I always love seeing the post you put in this tread!!! :iagree: :thankyou: I can never see to many Hemi E-Bodies!
A lot of things like to make a big deal out of starting a new season ... sports, tv shows, car shows, etc. To kick-off things off they like to start with a home opener with a lot of fan-fare to celebrate the promise of a successful new season. I figured we could do the same too. So to kick off the new season, I'm going straight to the top and swinging for the fences and hope for a home-run. If I had the means, opportunity, and that Bill Wiemann kind of "power of persuasion" to get someone to sell it to me, this is THEE top E-body that I would want to put in my garage!
Well if you haven't recognized it from the preview picture, the car that we are going to kick off the new season with is none other than BS23R1B242209. It is finished in gorgeous FJ6 Sassy-Grass-Green perfectly accented with V6X black billboard stripes and a V1X black vinyl top.
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On the inside it has the rarely seen H5X9 black and white cloth and vinyl interior of which only two other '71 HemiCuda's are known to have come from the factory with. It is a four-speed car and has the A34 Super-Track-Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg, A62 Rallye Gauge Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, H31 Rear Window Defogger, L34 Road Lamps, and the R26 AM/Cassette Radio among other nice things.
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The car is a Canadian spec car and was originally sold by Norvan Chrysler of North Vancouver BC to Randy O'Brien of Smithers BC. I mention Randy because he had an unusual use for the R26 AM/Cassette Radio that he had ordered for the car. Randy would dangle the microphone outside his driver's window, hit "record", and then do a big hairy burnout! Later, he would replay the cassette on his home stereo so he could enjoy the sounds of his handiwork ... the roaring Hemi and the screaming polyglass tires ... now that's a true gearhead!
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Sometime in the mid-'70's the Hemi "blew a valve" (broke a valve spring and swallowed a valve?). Whether that occurred during one of Randy's "recording sessions" or not who knows! Anyway, the wounded Hemi was pulled and another Hemi was found, purchased and installed in its place. Randy continued to enjoy the car for another couple of years but eventually wound up selling it in 1977 ... and that's when the car entered it's "dark" period.
The second owner, David Husby, was a man with a mission. His "mission" was to turn the car into a street racing monster. To do so he employed the help of Jack Williams Speed Shop in Vancouver. Jack was no stranger to Hemis and E-bodies as he had his own '70 HemiCuda race car and sponsored a number of Vancouver area racers under his "Syndicate Scuderia" moniker, or as it was more commonly known as, "The Syndicate." Jack's shop added headers and a bunch of other go-fast goodies to the engine. To clear the carbs, they removed the Shaker hood and added a fiberglass one with a Sox and Martin style scoop on it. For faster shifts, they removed the 4-speed and installed a race-prepped automatic in its place. To complete the transformation they then painted the entire car black ... in an effort to make it more bad-ass looking, or maybe more stealthy in the dark of night, or maybe it was just David's preference ... who knows. Transformation complete, the car took to the streets of Vancouver and it didn't take long for it to make a name for itself. It came to be known as "The Street Sweeper" because it pretty much "cleaned up" wherever it ran (and raked in a bunch of money)! As the '80's turned into the '90's and the value of these cars took off, David decided to have the car restored backt to original. Parts and pieces were sourced and installed and a fresh coat of Sassy-Grass-Green was applied thus ending the "Street Sweeper's" reign.
In 2007 David sold the car to a "flipper" who in turn sold it to its fourth and current owner Wade Ogle. If you know Wade, you know that he likes cars that are unique in their configuration or history giving them a certain "provenance" as he likes to say. So although this car did not have its original engine or transmission, it's combination of being a Sassy-Grass-Green car with the rare black and white cloth and vinyl interior and a 4-speed gave it the appeal necessary to be added to Wade's collection.
The previous restoration done during David's ownership was not up to Wade's high standards. Wade employed the services of (the now defunct) Aloha Restorations in Wisconsin to do the metal work and a few other things. Once he received the car back from Aloha, Wade rolled up his sleeves and got to work attending to all the details that separate a presentable restoration from a fantastic one. The result of his hard work is evident in the beautifully restored HemiCuda you see here. As it turns out, it's just not here that you may have seen it. It was also prominently featured in the November 2010 issue of Muscle Car Review where it was both the cover car and the subject of a great feature article written Jerry Heasley.
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During the restoration, the VIN of the engine in the car was noted and determined to be from a Canadian spec '70 HemiCuda. Since the engine was not original to Wade's car, Wade wanted to see if he could reunite the engine with it's original car. He put the word out and through a "friend of a friend" he discovered that the '70 HemiCuda that the engine came out was in fact alive and well in Canada! Peter Wille of British Columbia owned the white with blue interior HemiCuda and a deal was struck that would return Peter's original engine to him in exchange for a date-code correct non-stamped engine for Wade's car.
Fast forward a few years to 2013/14 in Vancouver and Jack Williams was retiring and was having a going out of business sale at his shop. George Kanavaros, looking for some items for his '70 440-6 Cuda, saw a complete black Shaker hood hanging from the wall and bought it. George noticed green paint under the black and learned which car that hood had originally came from. He contacted Wade and they worked out a trade where Wade sent George a '70 Shaker hood in exchange for the original Shaker hood to Wade's car.
Another George was also at Jack Williams going out of business sale. George Pappas bought Jack Williams' '70 HemiCuda "Syndicate Scuderia" race car and a bunch of parts. At the 2014 MCACN show in Chicago George met up with Wade started showing Wade some pictures of Jack Williams' HemiCuda. He shows Wade a picture of a transmission and then stops. Wade's like "ok it's a 4-speed what about it?" "Look closer" George says and it's then that Wade sees that the transmission in in the photo is the original one to his car! A deal was struck where they would trade transmissions in order to return the original transmission to Wade's car.
George Pappas wasn't done. As for the parts George bought, they included a pair of '70-'71 Hemi exhaust manifolds with date codes on them that would be consistent with the SPD of Wade's car. Though there is no way to tell for sure if they came off of Wade's car, the coincidence is uncanny. So yet another deal was made and Wade bought the manifolds that in all likelihood were original to his car. The following spring George met up with Wade again at the Spring Fling show in Van Nuys CA. George is talking to Wade when he whips out a bunch of old pictures of Wade's car. "What the ... where did you get those!" Turns out George found them while sifting through a bunch of old memorabilia and photos at Jack's shop before it closed down and he graciously gave them to Wade.
I love how all these great things happen in an effort to get original parts back to their original cars. Now if only the wounded original Hemi that "blew a valve" could be found ... how awesome would that be?!
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Now here is the really good part! If you would like to see this gorgeous green gem in person and meet with it's super-cool owner Wade Ogle, you are in luck! Wade has told me that he plans on bringing this car out to the Good Guys Summer Get Together in Pleasanton CA on June 1st. If you can't make that show don't despair as you get a second chance! Wade also plans on bringing it out the following weekend to the Mopar Alley car show at DeAnza College in Cupertino CA on June 9th. So if you're in central California in early June, be sure to mark your calendar and make it out to one of these shows. Remember though, it's BYOB ... Bring Your Own Bib cause this Sassy-Grass-Green HemiCuda is mouth-watering gorgeous!
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I apologize for making you wait so long after the "preview". I had to fact check the story and I'm still getting use to my new picture hosting site (flickr). Thanks for your patience, and a special thanks to Wade Ogle for sharing the pictures and story with me and in turn us ... enjoy!
Beautiful :twothumbsup:
Cool story on reuniting a lot of the original parts for the Cuda as well
Wow Tom, excellent job!!! Can't wait to see what you come up with next.
- Wade
I know this might sound like a silly question but who are these Pacific Northwest Brothers?
Great write up on a great car!! :bigthumb:
Took me eight months to put together that write-up on Wade's Sassy-Grass-Green HemiCuda! :looney: So, forgive me if everything from here on out is not as well composed and "polished" as that write-up was! :haha:
Up next is a car that has been more "visible" within the past couple of years. It's not only visible because it has been in the public eye, but also because of it's bright FJ5 Sublime paint! Here we go!
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JS27R0B209728 is 1 of only 12 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T convertibles ever made. 1 of only 9 made for the U.S. market and of those, 1 of 4 with an automatic. It is finished in FJ5 Sublime with V6X black longitudinal stripes and V21 performance hood blackout treatment, a H6X9 black interior and a V3W white convertible top.
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From the fender tag we can see that this Hemi Challenger R/T convertible is loaded with options that include: the A01 Light Group Package, A36 Performance 3:55 geared 8.75" Axle Package, A63 Challenger Molding Group, C16 Center Console, G32 painted RH Sport Mirror, G34 painted LH Sport Mirror, M91 Luggage Rack, P31 Power Windows, P37 Power Convertible Top and the R22 AM / 8-Track Radio among other things.
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When these pictures were taken in 1999 for Mopar Muscle Magazine the owner, Darrell Fraynd, had owned the car for 17 years having bought the car in 1982 for (are you ready for this?) only $7,500! :unbelievable:
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The V6X black longitudinal stripes nicely accentuate the body lines of the Challenger. Sometime subsequent to this photo shoot Darrell sold the car to mega-collector Brett Torino for "substantially more" than the $7,500 that he bought it for!
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In 2015 Brett Torino sold off a major part of his collection to Dana Mecum who intended to sell them through his Mecum auction company. While temporarily owned by the Mecum auction company, the car was one of 27 cars on display at the 2015 MCACN Hemi E-body Convertible invitational.
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Descriptive commentary provided by Mecum ahead of this car being featured at their 2016 Kissimmee auction
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At the Mecum 2016 Kissimmee auction this car hammer-sold to Dave MacNeil the owner of Weather Tech (auto floor mats and accessories) for a whopping $1.65 million!
great looking chall , it seems to change personality with the top up being white , top down it is all green & black
I think this is my favorite thread on here...Great to see the ultimate E-bodies. Probably as close as I'll ever get to them lol.
Heading over to Indy to take some pics to make a Hemi-fied "Mecum montage". When I get back I'll post up my findings as our next entry. See you in a few days! :burnout:
Safe travels & enjoy !!
Mecum's Indy show was great. Juliano's stuff was, well, mind boggling to say the least, and could of been a show unto itself. Here is a small sampling of what caught my attention while I was there ...
'70 Hemi Challenger RT.
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'68 Hemi Super Bee. Black over red with a red butt stripe - great color combo!
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'69 Hemi Daytona. Opposite color combo from the aforementioned Super Bee.
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Ok, it's not a Hemi car, but it is a pretty noteworthy one ... Juliano's '71 440-6 'Cuda 'vert. Check out the wheel and hood pin lanyard covers - they had this thing covered and cocooned!
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Peter Klutt's '70 HemiCuda 'vert has a new owner. This is a Canadian spec car and keeping the unbroken string of Canadian ownership since new going the new owner is a Canadian too.
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Dan Grotheer's original BO29 Super Stock '68 Hemi Barracuda. Check out the exterior rear view mirror "delete" plate, window lift straps, and the mechanical rev limiter.
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From the Manny Collection there was this black on black '70 HemiCuda.
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One of the main attractions was Juliano's sunroof '70 Hemi Challenger. Check out the bumper sticker on the suitcase.
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'70 HemiCuda with an interesting story. The owner, Rick Koch, is not a Mopar guy. He's a GM guy and in particular a Gen 1 Camaro kind of guy. So what is he doing with this HemiCuda you ask? Rick was looking for a '69 Yenko Camaro. Following up on a bunch of leads in search of a Yenko he unwittingly found this HemiCuda tucked away in a Cleveland area garage for over 20 years. Even a GM guy knows the value of a HemiCuda, so Rick bought it with the intent of flipping it in order to fund his Yenko acquisition. Thanks Rick for bringing this one back into the public eye!
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This '71 Hemi Challenger RT is a very late build and one of the last Hemi E-bodies built.
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Sox and Martin '70 HemiCuda. Per the sign, this is the only S&M 'Cuda that was actually a factory R-code HemiCuda? Didn't know that.
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From the Ken Zandee collection was this FE5 '71 HemiCuda with the H5X9 black and white cloth and vinyl interior (love it!!)
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Also from the Ken Zandee collection was this FJ6 '71 440-6 'Cuda. I know it's not a Hemi, but it had this "before and after" pic in it's info album that's kind of funny. I think somebody here on E-bodies was involved with it ... Cody maybe?? :pokeeye: :Stirring:
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It would have been great to be there but ....
Thanks for the cool pix :bigthumb:
QuoteAlso from the Ken Zandee collection was this FJ6 '71 440-6 'Cuda. I know it's not a Hemi, but it had this "before and after" pic in it's info album that's kind of funny. I think somebody here on E-bodies was involved with it ... Cody maybe??
I'm really surprised that my before pictures were displayed with this car :o It may have sold for more if they weren't in my opinion.
Quote from: anlauto on May 20, 2019, 10:05:41 AM
QuoteAlso from the Ken Zandee collection was this FJ6 '71 440-6 'Cuda. I know it's not a Hemi, but it had this "before and after" pic in it's info album that's kind of funny. I think somebody here on E-bodies was involved with it ... Cody maybe??
I'm really surprised that my before pictures were displayed with this car :o It may have sold for more if they weren't in my opinion.
that's the way it should be - not hiding the car's past with fancy word-smithing to imply the cars are "virgin-rust-free-always-garaged-cream-puff-one-owners"
I would never recommend buying a rotisserie restored car without seeing some pre & during-restoration photos
Quote from: 6bblgt on May 20, 2019, 10:43:11 AM
Quote from: anlauto on May 20, 2019, 10:05:41 AM
QuoteAlso from the Ken Zandee collection was this FJ6 '71 440-6 'Cuda. I know it's not a Hemi, but it had this "before and after" pic in it's info album that's kind of funny. I think somebody here on E-bodies was involved with it ... Cody maybe??
I'm really surprised that my before pictures were displayed with this car :o It may have sold for more if they weren't in my opinion.
that's the way it should be - not hiding the car's past with fancy word-smithing to imply the cars are "virgin-rust-free-always-garaged-cream-puff-one-owners"
I would never recommend buying a rotisserie restored car without seeing some pre & during-restoration photos
Of course I agree with you, I'm just surprised the pictures (history) stayed with the car this long through so many owners as well. I would really like to know where the car ended up going.
RzeroB Great pictures!! Thanks for posting!
RzeroB, I just read all 25 pages of this fantastic thread. I truly enjoyed it and I hope you continue. This is truly a historical archive of the Hemi E bodies out there. There should be more threads like this for other rare Mopars.
Great pics, thanks for sharing.
Got behind the power-curve this week ... so to make up for it we're going to do a "two-fer" ... in fact we'll make it a Steven Juliano "two-fer" while we're at it. Steven Juliano and his cars have been in the media a lot lately thanks to his estate auction held at Mecum's Spring Indy auction. You know Steven (some of you perhaps personally) and his reputation as the ultimate collector. You also know many of his cars and extreme detail that Steven put into restoring them back to how they left the factory. Steven, his cars and his collections were all on full display at the Mecum Spring Indy show, and a spectacular show it was.
Steven's cars were pretty well know and some were media stars appearing online and in magazines like Mopar Action. However, one thing that was never shown was the VIN or fender tag info (at least I could never find them). Besides seeing most of his cool stuff at Indy, one of the things that I was looking forward to was finally learning what the VINs of his two Hemi Challenger RT sunroof cars were. As we now know, only his '70 Hemi Challenger RT sunroof car actually made it to auction. As for his '71 Hemi Challenger RT sunroof car, it was purchased outright by Dana Mecum, apparently for himself, or maybe to appear at another Mecum auction sometime in the future? Either way, I was hoping that Mecum would have had the '71 sunroof car there at Indy to be included as part of the Juliano display (and to reveal it's VIN), but unfortunately it wasn't there. So coming out of Indy I did come away with only one piece of the puzzle and the other ... alas, it will still remain a mystery ... but maybe only until Mecum decides (if he does?) to put the '71 sunroof car up for auction.
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Steven's '70 sunroof car is (drum roll please!) ... JS23R0B157523. It is 1 of only 287 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T's made for the U.S. market and of those, 1 of 137 with a 4 speed. It is finished in EK2 Go-Mango with a V9X black Bumblebee stripe, a H6XW white interior and a V1X black vinyl top.
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As if being a Hemi 4 speed Challenger RT wasn't special enough, the thing that sets this car apart from the rest of the Hemi Challenger RT's is that it is regarded as being one of only two Hemi E-bodies ever built with the M51 sunroof option - both of them being Challengers (a '70 and a '71) and both of them eventually being owned by Steve.
Steven already had the '71 car when he received a call from Galen Govier telling him about the '70 car which Galen had found and purchased. Galen was shopping the car around to some potential buyers and figured Steven would want it being that he already owned the '71 car. Eventually they were able to agree on a price and the deal was made to bring the two Hemi sunroof Challenger's together under Steven's ownership.
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As if being the only '70 Hemi 4 speed Challenger RT with a sunroof wasn't enough, this Hemi Challenger RT also has the ultra-rare custom travel trunk "option" for the luggage rack. This is a very exclusive option and is reportedly thee only know example of it known to exist!
This car is claimed to be Steven's last full restoration. Steven was known for being somewhat fanatical with his restorations and the detail that he put into them. The only parts and pieces that he would use had to be genuine assembly-line, NOS, or "lunch pail" parts - aftermarket or reproduction parts simply wouldn't do! Steven had a particular penchant for these "lunch pail" parts because they came straight from the assembly line and he would purchase entire stashes of these parts from people who had them. So what's a "lunch pail" part? It's a nice way of stating how the assembly line workers would "five finger discount" parts by stashing them in their lunch boxes before clocking out and then walk out of the plant with them!
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When I first saw the car, this how it was parked with the hood "popped" but not opened. I really wanted to "see" the fender tag, so I bent over and peered through the gap between the hood and the fender trying to see it. I could see most of it, so I tried taking a few "through the gap" pics to see if I could capture it on my camera. Needless to say it didn't work.
Later on, "some guy" who was much bolder than I, calmly walked up to the car, reached under the hood and raised the hood up. He looked around the engine compartment, snapped a couple of pictures and then left. I managed to catch up to him and asked him if he happened to take a picture of the fender tag, and if he did, would he mind sharing it with me. As it turns out he did take a pic of the tag and to my pleasant surprise was more than happy to share it with me, and in turn me with you! Heck of a nice person that guy was ... thanks to him, this may be one of the first public postings of this car's fender tag.
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Here is an interesting twist concerning this car. Years ago on another forum I came across a couple of pics of what looked like a second '70 Hemi Challenger RT with a sunroof. The commentary posted with the pics stated that the car was a "real" '70 Hemi Challenger RT with a sunroof and was somehow associated with Galen Govier - either he owned it or somehow helped facilitate the sale of it. Sounds familiar right? With it's EK2 Go-Mango paint, V1X black vinyl top, V9X black bumble bee stripe, and chrome sport mirrors, it looks very similar to Juliano's car ... but then there's the black interior and Shaker hood. Maybe it's the same car with the interior and hood changed, which wouldn't be too difficult to do. Or maybe it's a similar looking clone and the forum poster thought this was the actual car that Galen brought to Juliano's attention? Who knows ... do you?
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Remember how I mentioned that this car once appeared in Mopar Action magazine? My link to that magazine article has, like Mopar Action magazine, expired. But no worries, almost serendipitously, Nicklas Larsson over on the E-bodies dot org Facebook page posted up the article on May 25th. He did such a good job posting the article, that you can easily read the entire article from beginning to end. It's a great read and goes into great detail about the car, how Steven acquired it from Galen and how he went about restoring it. Bang it here to see the article
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And then there is the other sunroof Hemi Challenger RT - Juliano's '71 car ...
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Unfortunately I do not know the VIN of this '71 Hemi Challenger RT but I do know that it is 1 of only 70 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 58 with a 4-speed. It is finished in EV2 Hemi Orange with V6W white side stripes, a V1W white vinyl top and a HRXW white leather interior. It's a stunning car!
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As if being a Hemi 4 speed Challenger RT wasn't special enough, the thing that sets this car apart from the rest of the Hemi Challenger RT's is that it is regarded as being one of only two Hemi E-bodies ever built with the M51 sunroof option - both of them being Challengers (a '70 and a '71) and both of them eventually being owned by Steven ... as the former Yankee Yogi Berra would say, "it's like deja vu all over again"!
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This car is loaded with options and is regarded as being one of, if not thee most heavily optioned Hemi Challenger RT (maybe even any Challenger?) ever made. That's a pretty incredible claim given that Dave Saruk's "Swiss" '71 Hemi Challenger RT is loaded with 31, yes 31! option codes across two fender tags! In addition to the M51 Sun-roof, Steve's car has options that include the A45 Aero Spoiler Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, M28 Wide Grill Mouldings (love this option!) N96 Shaker Hood, P31 Power Windows, R35 AM/FM Radio and S77 Power Steering among other things.
Interesting thing about this car is it's origin. It has long been associated with NHL hockey player Bobby Hull, and as the story goes, it was supposedly given to him for his spectacular play as a Chicago Blackhawk. I've tried time and again to validate this story but I could never find anything definitive that validated it. However, in my search I did find something that associates this car to a different hockey player ... Gary Unger, who played for the "Motor City's" Detroit Red Wings. Per the information that I found, it stated that in addition to Gary being a member of the Red Wings, he was also a compensated endorser for ... you guessed it, Chrysler. As a local Detroit sports celebrity, Gary promoted Chrysler products and in return Chrysler hooked him up with this Challenger ... but apparently it was on a lease and not given to him outright. That's about all I could find on it being associated with a hockey player ... unless anyone has something else? Bang it here to read the old transamcuda forum post about it https://www.transamcuda.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1083736701 (https://www.transamcuda.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1083736701)
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Here is a cool "throw-back" picture of the car. Reportedly this picture was taken at one of the early National Hemi Owner's Association (NHOA) meetings in the late '70's (Tulsa maybe??). Note that in this picture the car does not have the front or rear spoilers of the the A45 Aero Spoiler Pkg on it. Seems unlike Steven to add something to the car that wasn't original to it, so maybe they were removed for some reason? I don't know. Just like I don't know the VIN or tag info on this car ... but I would sure like to! So, if you know it, why don't you share it with us?
Very cool , thanks !! :twothumbsup:
amazing cars :wowzers:
Love this thread! Thanks! :bigthumb:
Interesting to me that the 70 has N95 on the tag. Original destination should have been California. I wonder what dealership or area it went to originally?
And no N42 bright exhaust tips, so i would think that the car was ordered and delivered in California.
Steven owned '71 Challenger R/T JS23R1B321635
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Interesting to me that the 70 has N95 on the tag. Original destination should have been California. I wonder what dealership or area it went to originally?
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And no N42 bright exhaust tips, so i would think that the car was ordered and delivered in California.
If you are able to open the link and read the Mopar Action magazine article posted by Nicklas Larsson it says that the car was sold new in Hollywood CA
Quote from: 6bblgt on June 01, 2019, 12:18:27 PM
Steven owned '71 Challenger R/T JS23R1B321635
Thank you Dan!! :woohoo:
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Quote from: E74cuda on June 01, 2019, 08:34:28 AM
Interesting to me that the 70 has N95 on the tag. Original destination should have been California. I wonder what dealership or area it went to originally?
Quote from: JS29 on June 01, 2019, 11:12:03 AM
And no N42 bright exhaust tips, so i would think that the car was ordered and delivered in California.
If you are able to open the link and read the Mopar Action magazine article posted by Nicklas Larsson it says that the car was sold new in Hollywood CA
Wonder if that was Hollywood Dodge
I looked at a 70 Hemi Charger RT/SE TX9 super tack pack, console auto, 8-track, rallies, luggage rack, white C-pinstripe... bought new at Hollywood Dodge.... car was bought by guy in Finland.
One more from the recent Mecum Indy event. I know, you already seen a bit of it, but while it's still fresh I'd like to take this opportunity to expand upon it a bit ...
I like this picture ... what better to put in the "Ultimate Garage (2012)" than perhaps the "ultimate" muscle car ... a Plymouth HemiCuda!!
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BS23R0B242332 is one of 652 built for the U.S. market, and of those one of 284 built with a 4 speed. It's finished in TX9 Black Velvet with a matching H6X9 black vinyl interior. This car was listed as being a 17K mile unrestored original car with warranty card, original keys and full ownership history all the way back to the original purchaser Harold McCray!
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Something about this picture (perspective, depth of field or something?) makes the car look very "hulking". The rear quarter panels look huge and raised up while the front of the car looks low ... looks like it is crouching menacingly ready to pounce!! With it's stealthy black paint helping it blend into the night, I'm sure it stalked and pounced upon many unsuspecting opponents in it's day!!
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It's not as void of options as some of the cars that were bought to be dedicated race car, but it doesn't have many of the "extras" that some of these other Hemi E-bodies do. As we can see from the fender tag, this car is relatively basic, modestly equipped and purpose built. There's the A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Pkg, A62 Rallye Gauge Pkg and the R11 Music Master AM Radio to keep you company until you spot your next potential victim rolling down the street!
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Nice clean engine compartment for the Elephant to reside in. A heavy duty clutch and no Power Steering or Power Brakes makes for strong arms and legs!
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Nice clean interior too. The A62 Rally Gauge Pkg and S83 Rim Blow Steering Wheel being a couple of upgraded items that the original purchaser splurged for.
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For some reason I found this picture interesting. It's kind of like a "bug's eye view" of what it would look like just before you got yourself sucked into the Shaker!
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In my earlier Mecum Indy review I erroneously stated that this car was part of the "Manny Collection of original paint muscle cars". Apparently it is not. I checked out the Manny Collection's website and Mecum's website and could find no reference connecting this car to the Manny Collection. Someone must of left this Manny Collection card in the engine bay and I made the mistake of thinking that this car was associated with that collection.
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The "bid goes on" with this car as it was a no sale at $300K. If you are interested in making a play for this car and bypassing the Mecum fees, you might be able to make a deal with Gary Runyon, who I assume is the owner.
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That is deadly , all black no vinyl roof or stripe & 4 spd !! :twothumbsup:
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Next up is a visually striking car and it is now paired up with another particular car that makes for a very interesting pair of 'Cuda's.
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BS23R1B342651 is 1 of only 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is finished in the visually striking combination of TX9 Black-Formal with V6W white billboards and a H6XW white vinyl interior.
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From it' fender tag we can see that this car was rather minimally equipped ... it's simple, but built to make a statement with what it has. From the tag we can see that it originally came equipped with the A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console to make a mechanical statement; and the black exterior, white interior and V6W white billboards to make a visual statement.
As for the fender tag, note that this car didn't even come equipped with the most basic of radios - the mighty R11 Music Master AM Radio. Additionally, some of the pictures of this car show it with the L34 Road Lamps and a J81 Go Wing even though it did not originally come from the factory with them ... more on that later ...
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Carlos Monteverde, a very wealthy British car collector who is known more for his collection of rare Porsche's and Ferrari's and not American muscle, owned the car for a long time in the 1990's and 2000's. It seems in addition to his love of rare and exotic sports cars, Carlos also had, to a lesser degree, a liking for pachyderm packing Plymouth pavement pounders (say that five times fast!). In addition to this car, he also owned at one time the all black John Herlitz '70 HemiCuda convertible among a few others.
While in Britain, Carlos employed the services of Martin Savill and his Rare Performance Motors (RPM) which specializes in American muscle cars to attend to the Cuda's every need. Bang it here if you would like to take a look at RPM's website ...
http://www.rareperformancemotors.com/hemi%20cuda.html (http://www.rareperformancemotors.com/hemi%20cuda.html)
On the RPM website, Martin notes how the car had the L34 Road Lamps and J81 Go Wing were added prior to the car arriving in Britain, and how Carlos had them change out the gearing in the Dana to a more "street friendly" set of 3:54's. Here is a nice video of who I presume to be Martin, exercising the Cuda ...
At some point Carlos's fascination with the Plymouths waned and he sold them off. The Brothers Collection bought the Herlitz '70 HemiCuda convertible and Tom Lembeck bought the '71 HemiCuda and brought it back home to Chicago. Lou Costabile and his "My Car Story" series on YouTube caught up to Tom and his new HemiCuda in Chicago here ...
Tom has an enviable collection of rare Mopars and Cuda's in particular, so this visually striking '71 HemiCuda would seem to be a natural fit to his collection. Apparently not, as for whatever reason Tom didn't hold on to it for very long. I don't know just how long it was with Tom, but he made a deal to send it packing to collector and broker Greg Nelson where it was advertised for sale at his Mopar Ponderosa.
I didn't know who eventually wound up buying the car until Dave Wise of MMC Detroit fame posted up some pics on facebook of his recent visit to the Rochester Auto Museum owned by Bob Bartosiewicz.
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Note that the car looks to have been returned to original since it is now missing the L34 Road Lamps and the J81 Go Wing. This is still a great looking car even without those "upgrades, but what makes it even more interesting as part of Bob's collection is it's pairing with Bob's '71 HemiCuda convertible seen in the background. Here it is from the other side ...
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Bob's '71 HemiCuda convertible is none other than BS27R1B126869, the first '71 HemiCuda convertible produced. As can be seen, it is pretty much the complete polar opposite, a virtual "negative" of the '71 HemiCuda hardtop next to it. The convertible is white, with a black interior and white billboards whereas the hardtop is black with a white interior and white billboards ... and if you want to take it further, the convertible is an auto and the hardtop is a stick. How cool is that? :perfect10:
RzeroB. That was a great read!! :thankyou:
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I believe I would have left the lamps & wing on the car .
Last time I was at Tom's, this was parked beside a white/black hardtop 71 HEMICUDA was it not ? around 2015 :thinking:
Black ... black and white ... the basics are timeless and never seem to go out of style. On that note, how about a black (and white) '70 Hemi Challenger RT to go with the 'Cuda's that were recently shown??
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JS23R0B309966 is 1 of only 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. It is finished in TX9 Black set off with a starkly contrasting V9W white Bumble Bee stripe and a H6XW white interior.
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Built in mid April 1970, this Hemi Challenger RT is said to be one of the first to come from the factory with the redesigned N96 Shaker hood. Per the seller, it is claimed to be one of only 14 '70 Hemi Challenger RT's factory equipped with the N96 Shaker hood. I don't know the accuracy of that claim as I have seen the number vary considerably from 14. Maybe someone more in the know like Dan P might give us a better idea of just how many might have came with this option?
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Inside the H6XW white interior contrasts sharply with the black interior components and the TX9 Black exterior paint.
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Under the hood, and the Shaker dome, the mighty Hemi resides. Behind it is a Hemi Torqueflite and out back is the stout A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg. The Torqueflite makes it easy to apply the Hemi's prodigenous power - stomp your right foot down and this Challenger is GONE!! Fortunately it is also equipped with the B51 Power Disc Brakes and S77 Power Steering to help you control the rampaging beast!!
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With all of the nice things that this '70 Hemi Challenger RT has going for it, striking black and white appearance, factory Shaker, original Broadcast sheet, etc., ... something is holding it back in the sales value department. Last year at Mecum's fall Las Vegas auction this Hemi Challenger RT hammer sold for a seemingly low $115,500. Is it the automatic? Maybe the non-matching numbers engine under the hood? Who knows?
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MaxMotive out of Pittsburgh PA bought the car at the Mecum auction and they now have it for sale ... of course it's a lot more than what it sold for at auction, but it still seems "reasonable" at $149,426 for such a nice looking Hemi Challenger RT.
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I know what you are thinking ... you're thinking "that IS a nice looking Hemi Challenger RT AND the price doesn't seem that unreasonable (especially compared to a similar HemiCuda)" It has it's original Broadcast sheet, it IS a factory Shaker car, and you got to admit, it IS a sharp looking tuxedo!! You sigh and say "If only it had it's original engine ..." But wait!! There's good news!! The original engine for this car is not one that was blown up and lost to the ages a long time ago. Oh no, the original engine is still alive and well and living in a '67 GTX. All you have to do is buy the Hemi Challenger at it's "reasonable" asking price, work a deal for the original engine from the owner of the GTX and then you would have a killer numbers-matching factory Shaker Hemi Challenger RT!! About the only downside is that the owner of the GTX would probably want a king's ransom for the original motor ... sigh.
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I believe that the black hemi Challenger has a questionable history
Quote from: E74cuda on June 29, 2019, 08:14:35 AM
I believe that the black hemi Challenger has a questionable history
It's priced that way
Quote from: E74cuda on June 29, 2019, 08:14:35 AM
I believe that the black hemi Challenger has a questionable history
Probably so ... maybe an accident or something where it had to have some metal work done ... :notsure:
Anyways ....
I like to think of this thread as an "open forum" ... as such, member participation is highly encouraged! :slapme5:
With that being said,
@E74cuda (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/e74cuda_907) and @Morty426 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/morty426_1660) I highly encourage you guys to tell us a little bit about your Hemi-fied rides and post up some pics! :veryexcited:
Well this is an E Body site :dunno:
Quote from: anlauto on June 30, 2019, 07:36:25 AM
Well this is an E Body site :dunno:
Hey hey. Quiet down in the peanut gallery.
I've been slacking ...
I haven't been keeping up the thread ... breaks over, back to work!
To be honest, this next entry I was planning on posting two weeks ago on the fourth of July. I thought it fitting being that their car is red, white and blue, and the couple of guys who operated it were too! They really don't need any introduction, but yes, we're talking about "red" Ronnie Sox, their "white" (originally an EW1) car, and "blue" Buddy Martin aka the red, white and blue dynamic duo of Sox & Martin and their world beating 1970 HemiCuda! :banana:
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Seems everybody knows about them and their accomplishments with Hemi powered Plymouths. Many of you may have personally seen their cars, some of you probably have met them and perhaps even a few of you actually knew Ronnie and Buddy? :handshake:
So much has been written and photographed about them and their cars that it would be almost a moot point for me to add anything here. So I'm just going to post up a few pics and throw in a few nuggets and that will be it. Enjoy! :drinkingbud:
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This is BS23R0B242037. It is one of 652 1970 HemiCuda's made for the U.S. market and of those one of 284 with a 4-speed. When delivered to Sox & Martin from the factory, it was a plain-vanilla EW1 Alpine White with a basic H6X9 black vinyl interior ... and not a whole lot more.
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The Sox & Martin team transformed the already potent Hemi into a full-boogie raging pachyderm! :verymad: Check out the old-school mechanical rev-limiter attached to the front of the left valve cover.
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As was pretty much de-rigueur with the old-school race cars, this car is equipped with a manual 4-speed transmission. It had to be, could you even imagine Ronnie driving anthing but a 4-speed? I can't.
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From the factory this HemiCuda came equipped with the A34 Super Track Pack Dana axle package. Besides the Hemi and 4-speed, I believe it was the only other extra cost option on the car.
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Ronnie and the HemiCuda blasting off to another 9.80's @ 140+ mph run. :veryexcited:
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With 59 event wins during their glory days, this was a common sight at the end of the race. I don't think anyone took more winner's circle pictures with Linda Vaughn and company than the Sox & Martin crew! :yes:
With the introduction of the Lenco transmission and the weight penalty levied upon the mighty Hemi (to allow the other brands to be more competitive) Sox & Martin's reign as the dominant team came to an end and they "retired" from NHRA competition in 1975. What became of the cars (where they went, who owned them, etc) I don't know. What we do know is that this HemiCuda survived and is in pristine condition ...
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Noted collector Todd Werner seems to have an affinity for nostalgic race cars from the '60's and early '70's. He is the current owner of this HemiCuda, and several other Sox & Martin cars and even a couple of Dick Landy Hemi Challenger race cars! I don't know how, or when, he acquired it, but for whatever reason, Todd has decided to put a large part of his collection up for sale and they will be featured at Mecum's 2019 Harrisburg event coming up later this month.
Interestingly, in the Mecum ad, it states that this particular HemiCuda is the ONLY true R-code '70 HemiCuda that the Sox & Martin team had. I don't know how many other '70 Cuda's with Hemi's they had, but apparently, this is THEE only true R-code one. For some reason I found that interesting ...
Here is a cool feature video put together by the Mecum team for this car. Enjoy!
That would sure be a cool piece to own! :drooling:
I have a Popular Hot Rodding magazine (April 70 edition) with an article on their Pro Stock Hemi Cuda. That one was a body in white and there are clear photos of the body in white beside a real, factory HemiCuda, it was dark coloured, a 4 speed and a rubber bumper car. The article stated and the photos showed they were swapping what they needed from the factory car to the body in white. that was supposed to be the first one they built, perhaps this real one above came later?
I hope whoever buys it restores it back to stock :alan2cents:
That SM car is awesome!!! Hope it remains as is for a very long time.
leave it as it is , it is 1 of one , restore it & it is just 1 of 600+
It needs the heritage !
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on July 18, 2019, 09:18:27 PM
leave it as it is , it is 1 of one , restore it & it is just 1 of 600+
I needs the heritage !
:iagree: That car, just the way it is, is an icon and, arguably, the most well known hemicuda, on the planet, based on it's racing history.
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This is one of Barry Boyle's 1971 HemiCuda's. It is BS23R1B195274, 1 of about 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is finished in GK6 Autumn-Bronze with V6X black "billboard" stripes, a V1X black vinyl top and a H6T7 tan vinyl interior. From what I can tell, there are only two '71 HemiCuda's made in GK6 Autumn-Bronze, a color which I personally think looks great on these cars - a bit understated, but very classy.
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H6T7 tan interior looks nice and different - I personally like the way the seats are two-tone brown and tan. Note the standard instrument gauges - could never understand why the A62 Rallye Gauge Package didn't come standard on the 'Cuda like it did on the Challenger RT? Not that it really matters - after all this is a "real-deal" HemiCuda!! Rally gauges withstanding, this car also has the A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Pkg, A67 Backlight Louver Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, L34 Road Lamps and a S83 Rim-Blow Steering Wheel among other things.
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The engine compartment almost looks original and unrestored - a "survivor" maybe, or perhaps an older restoration? I like that it is not overdone and that it looks like Barry may actually drive it from time to time - like it should be!
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This car looks great ... coming ... or going. I also like Barry's license plate "QWK CUDA" and I don't doubt that it is! As mentioned, there are only two '71 HemiCuda's made in GK6 Autumn-Bronze, this car and 316900 which was recently owned by Bob "Barto" up in Rochester NY. Coincidentally these two cars are similarly equipped with H6T7 tan interior, 4-speed transmission and A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package. It's a great looking combo so it makes sense (in a way) that they came out looking very similar to each other.
Awesome car
Thanks Rzero
WHAT A GREAT THREAD! :banana:
Quote from: floorit426 on July 19, 2019, 07:00:20 AM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on July 18, 2019, 09:18:27 PM
leave it as it is , it is 1 of one , restore it & it is just 1 of 600+
I needs the heritage !
:iagree: That car, just the way it is, is an icon and, arguably, the most well known hemicuda, on the planet, based on it's racing history.
:iagree:
Absolutely totally agree.
I've seen it before at SEMA early 2000's.
Speaking of Barry Boyle ... Barry is one of those very fortunate individuals who has more than one '71 HemiCuda. This next car of his is what I consider to be arguably THEE finest of the entire Hemi E-body breed. Ok, ok, I know that's an unfair assessment as all of them are pretty special. For me, this one, and Wade Ogle's similar colored car, are the "creme de la creme" ... obviously, I have a thing, for Sassy Grass Green!!
This green machine is BS23R1B262544. It is 1 of about 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is finished in FJ6 Sassy-Grass-Green with V6X black "billboard" stripes and a SRX9 black leather interior. To me, it is simply stunning! :worship:
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Barry credits noted Mopar trader Greg Nelson for bringing this car to his attention. Although the car originally sold new out of San Jose California, it somehow found itself at Greg's Mopar Ponderosa up in Minnesota and in need of a new home. Why Greg (or any previous owner) didn't keep this one for himself is beyond me ... to me it's a keeper! But let it go he did when in early 2008 Barry and Greg worked out a deal, and the rest, as they say, is history.
Now take a look inside ... this HemiCuda is just loaded with options. Looking around the interior we can see the SRX9 black leather interioir, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, C16 Center Console, C62 Six-Way Seat, H31 Rear Window Defogger, P31 Power Windows, R31 Rear Speakers, R36 AM/FM Cassette and the S83 Rim-Blow Steering Wheel. And that is just on the inside!
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The huge satin-black Shaker barely covers the massive "elephant" beneath it. As we can see, under the hood is a clean and detailed as the rest of the car.
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Outside we can see that this gorgeous green machine is fitted out with the A01 Light Group Package, A21 Elastomeric Front Bumper Package, A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, G11 Tinted Glass, G36 Painted Sport Mirrors, J81 Go-Wing and L34 Road Lamps among other things. With all these options, this was one very expensive car when ordered new in 1971.
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Special thanks to Ben Lavigne and Andy440 dot com for providing the pictures for me to share with you all.
I seem to remember running into this car, cruising the El Camino, in Santa Clara, around 1976, or '77. If it was first sold, in San Jose, then it may be the same one. It's a beauty, for sure!
I remember back about 12 years ago there was a similar 4 speed FJ6 1971 Hemi Cuda at the Mopar Nationals. I spoke to the owner which was about 40 years old. Never did get his name. He told me that he was running his Cuda at an auction in a few weeks and that the reserve on it was $1,000,000. I do not know if it sold or not?
Quote from: 750-h2 on August 04, 2019, 06:55:04 AM
I remember back about 12 years ago there was a similar 4 speed FJ6 1971 Hemi Cuda at the Mopar Nationals. I spoke to the owner which was about 40 years old. Never did get his name. He told me that he was running his Cuda at an auction in a few weeks and that the reserve on it was $1,000,000. I do not know if it sold or not?
BS27R1B405079 (Darrel Smith) it has a white interior & IIRC is the only 1971 hemi 'cuda hardtop that has been publicly "sold" for > $1M
I assume you know about this one ?
https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0819-387304/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda/?utm_source=AAInfoNet+Master&utm_campaign=94f0ca6a3d-CA19_MuscleCars&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fa410e9114-94f0ca6a3d-115979073&goal=0_fa410e9114-94f0ca6a3d-115979073&mc_cid=94f0ca6a3d&mc_eid=340964c992
I'll be there, on Friday, or Saturday, checking this one out!
The same hemicuda apparently sold earlier this year for $129250. I'm assuming Mecum purchased it and is running it through his auctions for profit. I remember seeing it freshly restored 20+ years ago at a show in Madera CA.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366248/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda/
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on August 08, 2019, 08:25:40 PM
I assume you know about this one ?
Thanks Neil, I do have that one. I appreciate you providing leads ... always keeping an eye out for one I don't have and it helps to have you (and others) looking too. Thanks again.
Our next featured car is a stellar example of the breed and was owned by a very noteworthy person in the restoration business ...
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This pristine HemiCuda is BS23R0B211144. It is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in flawless TX9 Black-Velvet with a V1X black vinyl top and a somewhat rarely seen PRT5 tan leather interior. It's absolutely stunning in it's appearance!
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This black beauty is (was) owned by the late Dave Walden of ECS Automotive Concepts. Dave was very outspoken and an absolute stickler for the minutest of details which he carried over into manufacturing the highest quality restoration products. Restored to the highest standards, Dave's HemiCuda was a rolling testament for his company's products and his obsession with details. Love him or hate him, you can't deny the quality of his products. Dave and his HemiCuda were awarded OE Gold certification, won Best Of Show at the 2005 Mopar Nationals and were featured in magazines to include Mopar Collector's Guide January 2006 issue.
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Just looking around the interior of this beauty and you can tell that this HemiCuda is loaded with options that include: A62 Rallye Gauge Package, C15 Deluxe Seat Belts, C16 Center Console, C62 Six-Way Seat, G11 Tinted Glass, P31 Power Windows, R35 AM/FM Radio, S77 Power Steering and a S83 Rim-Blow Steering Wheel among other things.
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The PRT5 tan leather interior is not very common with these cars. I don't know why more people didn't order it when choosing their options? Personally I like it and think it looks great ... especially in a black car.
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Fantastic close up detailed photo of the twin Carter AFB's and progressive linkage system of the big Hemi. The engine is as impeccably detailed as the rest of the car!
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Two icons of the hobby, Steven Juliano on the left and Dave Walden on the right at the display of Dave's concept 4-door Barracuda at MCACN 2017. Sadly, they are now both gone within a year of one another with Steven passing last September and Dave this past July. Gone but certainly not forgotten as both of them have left an indelible mark on the hobby and their influence will carry on for them for a very long time.
:andyangel:
I see Dave's car has C15 belts, but no dash light or holders on seats... Was that just a Challenger thing?
Ben
Quote from: benlavigne on August 10, 2019, 03:19:35 PM
I see Dave's car has C15 belts, but no dash light or holders on seats... Was that just a Challenger thing?
Ben
Yea, I was unaware Cuda's even had that option. :unbelievable:
Quote from: benlavigne on August 10, 2019, 03:19:35 PM
I see Dave's car has C15 belts, but no dash light or holders on seats... Was that just a Challenger thing?
Ben
a Barracuda Gran Coupe hardtop & Challenger SE have the "seat belt" light in the overhead console
- it would also be in the included overhead console on a Plymouth E-body hardtop with OPTIONAL leather bucket seat interior
I can only "assume" he found some empirical evidence that this particular 'cuda did not originally have the deluxe seat belt storage brackets or the wood-grain trim in the door panels :dunno:
..... anyone have fender tag or broadcast sheet info?
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 11, 2019, 01:48:04 AM
Quote from: benlavigne on August 10, 2019, 03:19:35 PM
I see Dave's car has C15 belts, but no dash light or holders on seats... Was that just a Challenger thing?
Ben
a Barracuda Gran Coupe hardtop & Challenger SE have the "seat belt" light in the overhead console
- it would also be in the included overhead console on a Plymouth E-body hardtop with OPTIONAL leather bucket seat interior
I can only "assume" he found some empirical evidence that this particular 'cuda did not originally have the deluxe seat belt storage brackets or the wood-grain trim in the door panels :dunno:
..... anyone have fender tag or broadcast sheet info?
So the deluxe, push-button belts on this one would have been part of the leather seats option, not the C15 option?
Ben
Man, that black Hemi Cuda, what a stunning color combo and option list. One the best E-bodies ever!
Quote from: benlavigne on August 11, 2019, 07:26:51 AM
So the deluxe, push-button belts on this one would have been part of the leather seats option, not the C15 option?
Ben
No, the "seat belt" light was in the overhead console on a car equipped with an overhead console
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 11, 2019, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: benlavigne on August 11, 2019, 07:26:51 AM
So the deluxe, push-button belts on this one would have been part of the leather seats option, not the C15 option?
Ben
No, the "seat belt" light was in the overhead console on a car equipped with an overhead console
:iagree:
My JS29/C15 car has no dash light - it would be redundant to the light overhead.
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 11, 2019, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: benlavigne on August 11, 2019, 07:26:51 AM
So the deluxe, push-button belts on this one would have been part of the leather seats option, not the C15 option?
Ben
No, the "seat belt" light was in the overhead console on a car equipped with an overhead console
Ah, OK, did not notice the overhead console before! Are the push-button belts and the console part of the Leather seat package? Question was if these belts, as part of leather package or C15, always came with the holders, or if the holders were C15 only? It would be interesting to see a fender tag or BS for the Walden car...
Ben
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 11, 2019, 01:48:04 AM
Quote from: benlavigne on August 10, 2019, 03:19:35 PM
I see Dave's car has C15 belts, but no dash light or holders on seats... Was that just a Challenger thing?
Ben
a Barracuda Gran Coupe hardtop & Challenger SE have the "seat belt" light in the overhead console
- it would also be in the included overhead console on a Plymouth E-body hardtop with OPTIONAL leather bucket seat interior
I can only "assume" he found some empirical evidence that this particular 'cuda did not originally have the deluxe seat belt storage brackets or the wood-grain trim in the door panels :dunno:
..... anyone have fender tag or broadcast sheet info?
I have a friend that has a 70 cuda with black interior and the deluxe seat belts and his car did have the belt storage clips on the seats. When it comes to the woodgrain in the door panels, I've seen and had early 70 cars without it. I also know of a few 71's without it. All of the cars that I know of that have it are black interior. It might have something to do with white or saddle interiors.
Here is another loaded '70 HemiCuda for you. This one is so packed full of options that it has two fender tags ... okay, we've seen plenty of cars with two fender tags, so what? How about the broadcast sheet ... it has all five of the available "A group" package blocks filled in with package options! And the window sticker ... the list of options printed on it is so long that they needed a second "continuation sheet" for it! This beauty has it all!
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Say hello to BS23R0B146908. It is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4-speed. It is finished in FY1 Lemon-Twist with black "Hockey Stick" stripes, a V1X black vinyl top and a PRX9 black leather interior. When this picture was taken the car was owned by Dave Crawford and it was featured on the now defunct MoparMax dot com
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From the window sticker we can see that this HemiCuda is loaded with options. For starters it has no less than five "packages" that include: the A01 Light Group Package, A04 Basic Group Package, A21 Elastomeric Front Bumper Package, A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package and the A62 Rallye Gauge Package. These are followed up by the B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, C26 Overhead Console, C62 Six-Way Seat, G36 painted Sport Mirrors, P31 Power Windows, and the R22 AM/8-Track Radio among other things. Whew! That's a lot of options! Note the "continued" down at the bottom of the sheet.
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I like this picture ... it shows great detail of the clean unfettered design of the '70 Cuda's front-end, grille and elastomeric bumper. :bigthumb:
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At one point this loaded HemiCuda was for sale at Masterpiece Classic Cars (now called Masterpiece Vintage Cars) in Indianapolis IN ... I think before Dave Crawford acquired it ... but I'm not sure?
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Another shot of this great looking car while it was at Masterpiece. Whether Dave Crawford still owns it ... or if it has moved on to another owner ... there's no denying that whoever has it, has one of the most heavily optioned '70 HemiCuda's ever made. :ohyeah:
Quote from: RzeroB on August 24, 2019, 04:43:19 PM
Here is another loaded '70 HemiCuda for you. This one is so packed full of options that it has two fender tags ... okay, we've seen plenty of cars with two fender tags, so what? How about the broadcast sheet ... it has all five of the available "A group" package blocks filled in with package options! And the window sticker ... the list of options printed on it is so long that they needed a second "continuation sheet" for it! This beauty has it all!
Thanks again for showing this great 'Cuda!
While far from being a Hemi car, my A66 also has all of the ''A'' codes full on the broadcast sheet, A01, A04, A36, A44, A45, so A62 and A66 had to be added in another box at the bottom reserved for ''overflow''!
Ben
Happy Labor Day! What better day to honor those hard working Chrysler assembly line workers who worked day and night to build these iconic machines. :wrenching: For those who worked the line at Chrysler ... we salute you! :yessir:
Long before assembly lines became semi autonomous with robots, thousands of workers toiled countless hours at their assigned tasks, sometimes under harsh conditions, to achieve the end result ... a beautiful E-body moving under it's own power off of the end of the line. Do you think those line workers fully appreciated just what it was they were putting together day after day? Some of them probably did ... but imagine more were probably only looking forward to the next day off!
Let's say you are working the assembly line at Hamtramck in '69-'70. You see all of these E-bodies rolling down the line and you think they are the most beautiful things on four wheels. Periodically you see some Hemi-powered E-bodies and with King Kong under the hood you think that they are the ultimate muscle machine. You close your eyes and picture your butt firmly nestled in the bucket seat, a pistol-grip shifter (or Slap-Stik automatic shifter) in your right hand and 425hp under your right foot ... someday I'll have enough saved to get one of these for myself you say!! Then you open your eyes and see that the Hemi E-body in front of you has ... a bench seat and a column-shift automatic in it?? What the ... !! What muscle car gearhead orders a Hemi powered E-body with a bench seat and a column-shifter?!
Who orders a bench seat column shift Hemi E-body?? Apparently a lot more people than I could ever have imagined!! There has to be at least 40 of them that I have discovered ... and I'm sure that there are more that I am not aware of ... yet. So for you lovers of bench seat column-shifted automatic Hemi E-bodies ... here's a random selection of a few of them just for you.
BS23R0B145107 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in EW1 Alpine-White with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and ... a H4X9 black vinyl bench seat interior.
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I love "Hockey Stick" stripes and this is a great photo of one.
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And here it is ... the bench seat interior with the column-shift automatic. It amazes me just how many of these cars rolled off the assembly line in this configuration. Backing up that column-shift automatic is the A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package to give this bench seat cruiser plenty of get-up-and-GO! Drop it in "drive" (click, click, click), stomp it and you're GONE!
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BS23R0B159594 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in EB5 Blue-Fire with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and ... a H4X9 black vinyl bench interior.
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This blue beauty also has the color matching A21 Elastomeric Front Bumper Package.
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And here it is ... the bench seat interior with the column-shift automatic. This HemiCuda was also ordered with the A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, P31 Power Windows, R22 AM/8-Track and S77 Power Steering - a real power cruiser!
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BS23R0B207656 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in the rather rare color of FY6 Citron-Gold with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes, a V1X black vinyl top ... and a H4X9 black vinyl interior.
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This HemiCuda is actually very nicely equipped as it has the A01 Light Group Package, A21 Elastomeric Front Bumper Package, A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, A67 Rear Window Louvers Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C36 painted Sport Mirrors, J81 Go-Wing, R35 AM /FM Radio and S77 Power Steering among other things.
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And here it is ... the bench seat interior with the column-shift automatic (yes we know the Tuff Wheel wasn't available in E-bodies). The funny thing is that the base Cuda came standard with bucket seats - so whoever ordered these cars had to specifically order the bench seat in place of the standard buckets.
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Nice to see them restored with the bench seat column shift :twothumbsup:
Most auto on the column Hemi's were purpose built. My friend recently bought a 69 COPO Camaro and it is also an auto on the column. Super tough cars in my opinion! :bigthumb:
I would never order one with an auto nevermind column but cool cars anyway !!
I think many had bench seats since Drive In movies and fast cars then; just went well together. My theory.
I have learned that bucket seats were referred to as "birth control seats" back in the 60's and 70's.
Quote from: RzeroB on September 02, 2019, 09:58:25 PM
BS23R0B207656 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in the rather rare color of FY6 Citron-Gold with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes, a V1X black vinyl top ... and a H4X9 black vinyl interior.
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This HemiCuda is actually very nicely equipped as it has the A01 Light Group Package, A21 Elastomeric Front Bumper Package, A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, A67 Rear Window Louvers Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C36 painted Sport Mirrors, J81 Go-Wing, R35 AM /FM Radio and S77 Power Steering among other things.
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And here it is ... the bench seat interior with the column-shift automatic (yes we know the Tuff Wheel wasn't available in E-bodies). The funny thing is that the base Cuda came standard with bucket seats - so whoever ordered these cars had to specifically order the bench seat in place of the standard buckets.
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I have a fender tag in my little registry for this car, but it seems to be a fake
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Thanks Culvers, to my untrained eye the only thing that looks "fake" to me is that maybe it's just a little too perfect? :notsure:
But what color is it? :notsure:
Speaking of intrigue ... next is a beautiful looking Sublime green Hemi Challenger RT ... but with a dark secret.
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JS23R0B157786 is 1 of about 287 made for the U.S. market and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. It is finished in FJ5 Sublime with a V9X black Bumblebee stripe, V1X black vinyl top and a H6X9 black vinyl interior. It's a stunning looking vehicle!
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You may be asking yourself "what is a Hemi Challenger RT doing outside during the winter with all of that snow?" As it turns out this particular Hemi Challenger is no stranger to cold and snow as it was sold new to a Mr Van Waldick out of Laythan Dodge in frigid Watertown NY.
I know what you're thinking "Watertown NY ... frigid?" Oh believe me yes it is! Having spent three frosty years there courtesy of the U.S. Army, I felt it was colder there than the years I spent living in Anchorage Alaska! Brrrrrrrrrr!!
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As we can see from the fender tag, Mr Van Waldick modestly optioned his Hemi Challenger RT when he ordered it. It looks like he checked off the B51 Power Disc Brakes, a C16 Center Console, a G34 Painted LH Sport Mirror, the mighty R11 AM Music Master AM radio and most importantly the stout A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg. Interestingly Mr Van Waldick got a little "present" from the factory with his Challenger ... a HRX9 black leather interior even though he didn't order it that way ... thanks Ma Mopar!!
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Mr Van Waldick, being a life-long resident of Watertown, was accustomed to the cold weather. When he took delivery of his brand new Challenger in the late fall of 1969 he didn't park it in his garage to await the coming of spring, no, he drove it! In fact, he drove it a lot and quickly garnered a street reputation as a force to be reckoned with! This rear-end view of his Challenger was probably a common sight to all of those who tried to "challenge" him in his Hemi Challenger!
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February 19th 1970. On that fateful day Mr Van Waldick completed his shift at the paper mill and headed home from work. The big Hemi was thirsty, so he stopped into the gas station to fill it up with premium. Upon leaving the gas station, he hammered the throttle unleashing the big Hemi and the car accelerated like a rocket down the road. Up ahead a tractor-trailer suddenly pulled out of a side street in front of him. With nowhere to go and not enough room to stop, he slammed on the brakes and prayed for a miracle. It didn't happen. The Challenger skidded along colliding with the trailer between the axles of the tractor and trailer, shearing off the roof and emerging out the other side! Fortunately Mr Van Waldick had the presence of mind to duck down across the seats just before the collision occurred and emerged from the wreck shaken but relatively unscathed!
Unfortunately the same could not be said of the Challenger. It was bad. It was hauled off to nearby Dobbin's Salvage for evaluation and disposition. The entire roof had been sheared off by the force of the collision. In doing so, the C-pillars / "sail" panels transferred a lot of that force down upon the rear of the car heavily damaging it. Surprisingly though the front half of the car, other than the top of the A-pillars, received almost no damage at all.
At Dobbins they had a '70 SE Challenger with a Slant-Six that had been in a front-end collision and they came up with the idea to graft the back of the SE Challenger to the front of the Hemi Challenger in order to save it! From what I can gather, they pretty much removed the back-half of the Hemi Challenger around the rear-quarter panel to door seam and then grafted on the back-half of the SE Challenger and roof to make ... a Hemi Challenger RT ... SE??
The car has since had the SE style back window removed and a traditional window installed in it's place. It's been restored and nicely detailed since then too. But with it's collision and resurrection not being so secret, it's has steadily lagged behind in value every time it has come to market as compared to it's Hemi Challenger RT siblings whose pedigree hasn't been tainted by an infusion of Slant-Six powered SE sheetmetal. Still a nice car though and if you don't mind the tainted pedigree, it's a real R-code Hemi Challenger RT that can be had for a lot less than a comparable "pure" one!
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Though I had no knowledge of this car, I knew Gorden Dobbens and been to his place of business numerous times. Not surprised he would want a car like that saved. :wrenching:
Still a nice Challenger !!
For a collectible car like that, I am glad they repaired it instead of doing a rebody. :alan2cents:
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This is BS23R0B146710 which is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in FE5 Rallye-Red with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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Got to love them Hockey Stick stripes ... I do! I can't make out where that license plate may be from ... can anybody venture a guess?
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This HemiCuda is optioned with the A21 Elastomeric Front Bumper Package, A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauges, B51 Power Disc Brakes, chrome left and right Sport Mirrors (G31 and G33) and the booming R11 Music Master 2W AM Radio among other things.
Note that this car is not coded for a C16 Center Console. Without the center console the automatic should be ... you guessed it, on the column (where do all of these column shift HemiCudas come from?).
Also note the interesting silver tag attached to the fender tag screw. I do not know the significance of the silver tag - the first word says "chrysler" - but the series of numbers after that I do not know what they mean. Almost looks to be the same shape and size as a warranty engine block ID tag? In the old sales ad that I found the seller did say that the car did NOT have it's original numbers-matching engine. What are your thoughts on the tag?
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And then look what showed up on Moparts a few years ago (2016)! "Viperakron" announces that he bought the original engine and is looking to reunited it with the car! Wonder how that happened? If a factory warranty engine was installed early in it's life, what would the dealer typically do with the bad original engine that they pulled out? I thought that they were suppose to ship it back to Chrysler for engineering analysis of the failure? Perhaps not. Maybe one of the dealership mechanics took it home instead and it eventually made it's way to Viperakron's hands over the years? What you see in the Moparts thread is all that there is to it ... never says if the engine was successfully reunited with the car or not ... anybody know?
That silver tag looks like a Chrysler ignition distributor tag.
Yea...that's the tag off of the 426 auto distributor :looney:
Quote from: JP426 on September 15, 2019, 02:56:34 PM
That silver tag looks like a Chrysler ignition distributor tag.
Distributor tag?? Kind of an odd place to keep it!! Thanks for the id!! :bigthumb:
Switching it up here ... our next entry was a "work in progress" when it was in attendance at the 2016 Chryslers at Carlisle show. :wrenching:
To be honest, I don't know what it was doing there. I don't know if it was part of a restorer's exhibit showing off their skills ... or if it was an incomplete project that ran out of motivation (or funds?) and was offered up for sale? So ... without further ado ... here's Johnny!! :lurking: Ooops!! ... I mean JS23R1B242274!! :bravo:
Having originally been sold new out of Lavel Quebec, JS23R1B242274 is 1 of only 5 (yes f-i-v-e!) made for the Canadian market in 1971. It is finished in FJ6 Green Go with V6X black side stripes and a H6X9 black interior. It's not much to look at in this condition ... unless you are a FJ6 lover (like me!!) ... but someday it will be absolutely amazing!! :worship:
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I'm no expert ... but for some reason this fender tag strikes me as being a repop. Assuming that the options on it are truthful and correct, this Canadian spec Hemi Challenger came nicely equipped with the A01 Light Group Pkg, A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console and the N96 Shaker Hood among other things. It will be nice to see what this car looks like when it is finally completed!!
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Not much of an interior ... about all we can tell from this picture is that it will have the S83 Rim Blow Steering Wheel and a C16 Center Console ... but you can imagine the rest of it can't you?? Ok, that would be a bit of a stretch at this point ...
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Well at least the elephant looks like it is all together and complete!! It just needs the rest of the car to be finished so it can come to life and thunder down the boulevard once again!! Wonder if this Hemi Challenger RT project has ever been completed or not in the three years since it was at Carlisle?? Anyone know?? Let us know if you are aware of it's current status. Thanks!!
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I love that FJ6 :drooling:
In the year 2000 I pictured this JS23R in FF4 in Naperville and Columbus (same weekend). I wasn't smart enough to capture the VIN, nor was the hood open for a fender tag glimpse. I even can't remember if it was a four speed or auto.
I guess the car on the newer pics is the same. If anyone has details about that particular car please share or send me a pm. I'd love to see the tag. A seldom seen color, but in my eyes it looks great with white stripe and non-vinyl top :drooling:
Hi Jens! :wave:
That is a rather nice looking car ... you just don't see too many of them in FF4. You may not have caught the VIN or fender tag ... but you caught the license plate so maybe that will help someone to recognize it? What is that anyway ... a Michigan plate?
As for FF4 Hemi Challengers, I only know of two others: one is a 4-speed car with V5X black side mouldings; and the other is an auto V68 stripe-delete car. So this is a new car to me ... and of course I'm adding it to my list. Hopefully with the help of the group we'll be able to find out more about it.
Finally, as always, thanks for your contribution to the thread Jens! :drinkingbud:
Interesting car , thanks for posting the pix :bigthumb:
Here is an interesting car ... all of these cars are interesting to me ... but this one a little more so than some of the others ...
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Notice the license plate?? Obviously it isn't licensed in the U.S. or Canada with that plate. Now check out the engine compartment ...
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Notice the silver tag by the fender tag?? Very hard to tell what that is with this picture ... However, I'm sure you astute observers have already identified it as being an "export tag" ... and that is in fact what it is.
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This should be BS23R1B388308 and it is one of only four known '71 HemiCuda's that were built for export that year. After rolling off of the line in Hamtramck, this Rallye-Red 4-speed HemiCuda was boxed up (or whatever they did to prep and ship it overseas?) and shipped all the way over to Copenhagen Denmark where it was sold new to some lucky Dane.
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I don't know who the gentleman is standing next to the Cuda ... but I would have to assume that perhaps he is the current owner?? Lucky guy if he is ... anyone recognize him??
With the modern looking cars in the background this has to be a relatively recent picture of the car in Denmark. Although I think the Cuda's styling is timeless ... it definitely looks out of place amongst all of the little eco-cars that can be seen in the background. Good thing for the eco-cars that the Cuda is resting in the parking lot and not gorging itself upon them on the street! In some ways though I guess the little eco-cars get the last laugh in that they don't have to stop and cry at the petrol pump over the cost of a liter of petrol as often as the thirsty fish! If you think the Cuda's mileage looks bad in gallons (MPG) ... it really looks bad in litres!! What kind of "MPL" might it get?? Maybe 2 MPL?? Yikes!!
I didn't know about this car until I came upon a post on the Factory 426 Hemi Cars (no clones) facebook page by Johnny B. Goode Rasmussen. Here's most of Johnny's post ... it's an interesting read!!
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A big thanks to Johnny B. Goode Rasmussen for his his post about this car on the Factory 426 Hemi Cars (no clones) facebook page. Without Johnny's excellent post about this car and some of it's historical story, I would not have been aware of it and able to share it with you. Go Johnny go ... Johnny B. Goode ... you "rock"!!
Cool article on it , thanks !!
How about an RT/SE?? Haven't posted up one of these in a while ... maybe because of all the hardtop Hemi E-bodies made ... these are actually the rarest with only about 63 (59 U.S., 4 Canadian) known to be made. So, without further ado ... here is this weeks feature car:
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JS29R0B157981 is 1 of about 63 1970 Hemi Challenger RT/SE' ever made. 1 of only 59 made for the U.S. market and of those it is 1 of 37 equipped with an automatic. It is finished in EB7 Dark Blue with a V1W white vinyl top, and a H5B5 blue houndstooth interior.
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This Hemi Challenger RT/SE features the H5B5 blue cloth and vinyl "houndstooth" interior. Just look how nice that blue H5 interior looks! Sure "basic black" looks good with everything ... but this blue H5 interior looks simply amazing! The H5 interior is perhaps my favorite interior option for these cars ... I actually kind of like it better than the HR leather ones!
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Beautifully detailed Hemi resides under the hood. Check out how "bright" the big Hemi looks ... the colors and finish on the engine and within the engine bay just "pop"! There is also plenty of "go" behind all that "show" as this Hemi has the A32 Super Performance 4:10 Dana Axle Package behind it.
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EB7 Dark-Blue is such an under-rated color. A few shades darker than EB5 Bright-Blue, it has a richer, deeper hue to it, but for some reason was not nearly as popular as EB5. With everything else being equal, if I had to chose between an EB5 car and an EB7 car ... I would go with the EB7 one. From this angle with the blue body and white top the car looks rather unassuming ... no stripes, wings, nor even a flip-top gas cap to tip you off as to it's true nature. You wouldn't really know what it was until you pulled up along side ... and caught the call-outs on the hood. By then it would be too late. Ooops! Respect it and it may give you a nod and a pass. Taunt it ... and it surely would unleash it's ferocity upon you!
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During part of 2018 this beautiful RT/SE was offered for sale by Legendary Motor Cars (LMC) up in Georgetown Ontario. I don't know whatever happened to it ... who may have acquired it ... or where it may now currently be?? If YOU know give us an update!! Hope you enjoyed this weeks feature.
I agree with the preference for the B7 over B5 & I am virtually certain I saw this car in person years ago & likely have pix still !
Yea...I really liked that car...a couple of my buddies did the restoration on it... :twothumbsup:
A few years ago that Challenger was on display at the Moparfest in Ontario Canada. Car looks even better in person! :clapping:
I purchased this car in 2000, enjoyed it for 4 years, it is the first of 5 1971 Hemi Challengers sold in Canada, all numbers match, build sheet and original fender tag. Original owner Yves N*** purchased it in Montreal Quebec and it spent time in Manitoba, Ontario and Alberta before heading to Texas.
Welcome to the site from Panama :wave:
Beautiful Challenger !
:welcome: From central New York! That is quite the collection you have there. Is that FM3 Dart I see in one of your pictures a swinger-340? :handshake:
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:welcome: From central New York! That is quite the collection you have there. Is that FM3 Dart I see in one of your pictures a swinger-340? :handshake:
I was wondering if there were any A body or FM3 fans here. Yes it is an original FM3 340 four speed Swinger 340.
Thank you for the kind words.
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I purchased this car in 2000, enjoyed it for 4 years, it is the first of 5 1971 Hemi Challengers sold in Canada, all numbers match, build sheet and original fender tag. Original owner Yves N*** purchased it in Montreal Quebec and it spent time in Manitoba, Ontario and Alberta before heading to Texas.
@three two barrels (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/three-two-barrels_5450) Welcome aboard and thank you so much for your contribution to the thread!! :bigthumb:
Happy Halloween!! :Stirring: Here's a pair of "scary" fast Hemi E-bodies, one Cuda and one Challenger, in the most traditional of Halloween colors EK2 and TX9 ... okay, okay, orange and black!!
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First up is BS23R0B146526 which is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4-speed. It is finished in EK2 Vitamin-C with a V1X black vinyl top and a PRX9 black leather interior.
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To me the luggage rack kind of distracts from the beautiful lines of the the 'Cuda. The luggage rack is kind of a dated throw back to the pre-World-War II cars that had them and were actually used for carrying luggage. Just can't imagine a HemiCuda cruising around with a couple of suitcases tied down to the luggage rack can you? Or maybe it was more useful for carrying your racing slicks to the drag strip because they wouldn't fit in the trunk?
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This HemiCuda was reportedly ordered by Kalamazoo Chrysler Plymouth as a dealer ordered car and they loaded it up pretty nicely. This HemiCuda has such things as the A01 Light Group Package, A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G31/G33 chrome Sport Mirrors, H31 Rear Window Defogger, M91 Luggage Rack, the mighty R11 AM Radio, S77 Power Steering and a S83 Rim-Blow Steering Wheel among other things. This HemiCuda has so many options that the window sticker required a rarely seen "continuation" sheet!
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In case you missed it, this HemiCuda was listed in Hemming's January 2017 on-line edition for $189K.
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Interesting that the car was reportedly not a "sold car", but a "dealer ordered" car. Eventually was sold, spent some time as a drag racer where it had it's original engine "destroyed", rebuilt, restored and eventually became a "consistent show winner" ... which seems to be a fairly common career path with these cars.
And now for our Halloween Challenger ...
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This is JS23R0B376276 which is 1 of about 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. It is finished in EK2 Go-Mango with V6X black side stripes, the V21 hood blackout treatment, a V1X black vinyl top and a H6XW white interior.
This Hemi Challenger RT has a lot of nice amenities to include the A01 Light Group Pkg, A45 Aero Spoiler Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, S77 Power Steering and the thumping R11 Music-Master AM Radio among other things.
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This Hemi looks like it actually gets used and is not just a polished show queen - I like that!
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Interesting high-contrast effect that the photographer used to create a visually striking image of this car ... definitely gives it a different look.
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Auction ad from Russo and Steele's 2013 Newport Beach auction. It must not have sold here because a few months later it was up on the auction block again at ...
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Auction ad from Barrett-Jackson's 2013 Las Vegas auction. Looks like it finally sold here for $145.2K.
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Little snippet from the B-J ad. "Detailed VIN analysis and inspection by Galen Govier" ... who apparently noted it as being "one of one Hemi Challengers built in 1970". Seems like these cars are always touted as being "one of one" doesn't it? I don't think we need to patronize them with the everybody's a winner let's give them a trophy "one of one" comment do we? These cars ARE already special just by having the monster of all muscle car motors stuffed in between the fenders!
Happy Halloween!!
Happy Halloween to you too!
Can't argue with your choice of color for the occasion, love Go Mango!
Ben
Thanks for the articles on both cars !! :twothumbsup:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on October 31, 2019, 09:15:52 PM
Thanks for the articles on both cars !! :twothumbsup:
Neil, you seem to be my biggest fan! :1place: Kind of ironic in that I'm sure you have a LOT more first hand experience with them than I ever did! Appreciate the love brother ... keeps me posting them up.
And I like them to. :1place:
Well, well, well ... what do we have here?
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This car was featured in a May 2011 Car Craft magazine article. It, along with several other Mopar and "brand X" muscle cars, have been sitting in a southern California self-storage lot for over 20 years ... which has to be close to being over 30 years today.
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So what kind of 'Cuda is it? Kind of hard to tell from these pictures. The Shaker however, tips this car's hand (as Shakers almost always do) and invites those knowledgeable of what that Shaker may indicate to investigate closer. A quick peek in the window and we can see a basic black vinyl interior, Rallye Gauges and the iconic Pistol-Grip shifter for the 4-speed. But what's under the faded Shaker?
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Mini padlocks through the hood pins prevent us from pulling a sneaky quick hood pop. Down on the knees for a peek underneath ... there's the torque-boxes around the rear spring perches ... and a skid-plate on the K-member. Could it be? If only the light was a little better so the VIN could be more clearly seen through the years of grime on the windshield ... BS23 ... is that a ... "R"? Why yes it is!
Turns out this is BS23R0B187998 which is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4 speed. Hard to tell exactly just what color it may have originally been? Looking around the tail panel there seems to be a couple of different possible colors (Lemon Twist? Limelight? or maybe it's just mold?) showing through the primer, but I'm just going to call it "Burnt Primer" or paint code "FBP" (F for 1970 and BP for "Burnt Primer") for now!
This HemiCuda ... and the other muscle cars keeping it company ... are not abandoned. The owner was able to be contacted and he is well aware of what he has ... and of course (que the drum roll please) he fully intends to restore them all ... someday. Now that was back in 2011 ... wonder how much progress he's made with restoring these cars since then?
I love stuff like this!
Just wow :-X
BS23R0B187998 is beautiful! Oh how I would love to find one looking like that. actual driveable patina. kinda.
Quote from: RzeroB on October 31, 2019, 02:36:25 PMThis is JS23R0B376276 which is 1 of about 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. It is finished in EK2 Go-Mango with V6X black side stripes, the V21 hood blackout treatment, a V1X black vinyl top and a H6XW white interior.
the original engine for this car is in a Chicago garage - anyone know the owner of the car?
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on November 14, 2019, 07:17:56 PM
HUh driving it in winter !!
I assume we know where this one is now as there were so few Hemi verts ? @RzeroB (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/rzerob_126)
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Well, since Chryco brought it up ... might as well run with this one as this weeks feature.
Given the celebrity like status of these ultimate top level cars ... there really isn't much that can be said about them that isn't already known. Their names (VINs) are all known, they take center stage and the spotlight whenever they come out for a showing and they're all over the news whenever they move to a new home. There really isn't anything new that I can provide ... but if you're like me ... you somehow just never tire of admiring them!
So without further ado, I'll throw up a few pictures and anecdotes of today's celebrity ... BS27R1B396774
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This picture comes up a lot. I don't know who is wielding the snow shovel, but I do know the story behind the picture (and I would guess that you probably do too, but bear with me for the one or two people who might not know it). In December of 1985 the owner (the man with the shovel) who lived in the "frozen tundra" of Wisconsin advertised the car in Hemmings. Steve Segal who lived in Connecticut, saw the ad and brokered a deal to buy the car for ... $24K. After making the deal and FedEx'ing a deposit, Steve hooked up his trailer and hit the road for Wisconsin in what turned out to be a major winter storm. The picture, taken by Steve, is the owner digging a path for the snow-bound car to get to the loading ramps of Steve's trailer.
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Steve only owned the car for about 18 months or so. Why such a short time? Well, as seen in this picture, Steve brought the car to the 1986 Supercar Showdown and it turned out to be a pivotal point in his ownership of the car. In Steve's words the car "was too damn slow!" putting up a lackluster best of only 14.05 seconds in the quarter and having a 4-door Chevy smoke it in the quarter! Oh the shame and embarrassment!!
It had to go ...
Enter noted Mopar Collector Otis Chandler. I don't know if Steve advertised the car, or if he was privately approached by Otis, but the story goes that Steve whipped out a price that he thought Otis would never agree to ... and to his surprise Otis didn't even blink and readily agreed to pay. The price? $54K. At the time it was a record price for a Hemi E-body convertible - $30K more than what he had paid for the car less than two years earlier! It was quite a coup ... and some say the impetus for what caused the Hemi E-body prices to begin their vertical soar into the stratosphere during the late 1980's. Ironically, some people STILL blame Steve for the astronomical prices of these cars today!
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This car is one of the eight (five to U.S. specs) automatics. It has a nice group of options that include the A22 Elastomeric Bumpers Pkg, A62 Rallye Gauge Pkg, C16 Center Console, P37 Power Convertible Top and the R36 AM/FM cassette radio among other things. I don't have a pic of the fender tag ... but I'm always looking for one! And while I'm at it, I'm a bit curious as to it's history prior to 1985 and where it may have been sold new. Anyone?
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This particular car was the inspiration behind actor Don Johnson wanting his character on the Nash Bridges TV show to be driving the "baddest muscle car ever made" - a 1971 HemiCuda convertible (good thing Don didn't talk to Steve Segal or he might have changed his mind!!).
Otis owned the car until his death (I think?) at which point the car was acquired by collector Kevin Suydam, who then in turn sold it to Bill Wiemann at some point. Bill had quite the E-body convertible collection going until he decided to divest himself of the cars to pursue other investments and sold all of his E-body convertibles (I think it was six?) in a "package deal" to the The Brothers Collection.
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Now owned by mega-collectors The Brothers Collection, this HemiCuda convertible was one of 27 in attendance at the Hemi E-body convertible invitational held during the 2015 MCACN show in Chicago. It was an unprecidented event in that it was largest gathering of Hemi E-body convertibles ever.
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And if you would like to see this Lemon-Twist 1971 HemiCuda convertible in motion ... click on the link below to see The Brothers Collection's "Muscle Car of the Week" #209 ... ENJOY!!
The rubber bumpers are not original to the car. It had been "restored" to its correct status and wears chrome bumpers again, as shown on the snow picture.
Late to the party! while reading this wright up, I thought the A22 elastomeric bumper was not there in the first picture. but did not know if it was changed due to an accident or something.
Actually the original engine for that Mango orange Challenger was in my garage in Minneapolis not Chicago for quite some time. I spent some time trying to find the car or owner, found him about 2 years ago. He didn't care about his original engine! Brain damage I guess? So I have since sold the engine to a guy that will be putting it in a 70 Hemi Super Bee. All I can say is "I tried"
Quote from: bs27r1b@yahoo.com on November 18, 2019, 03:26:09 PM
Actually the original engine for this car was in my garage in Minneapolis for quite some time. I spent some time trying to find the car or owner, found him about 2 years ago. He didn't care about his original engine! Brain damage I guess? So I have since sold the engine to a guy that will be putting it in a 70 Hemi Super Bee. All I can say is "I tried"
:welcome: Well hello there!! That's one heck of an introductory post you put up there!! With the resources available to TBC I am ... shocked ... that they would NOT want the original motor for this car!! Please, use this thread ... or another ... to introduce yourself and tell us a little more about you.
I am just a remnant of the old Mopar days when nobody cared if you had numbers matching shock absorbers and the Mopar Nationals was nothing but a giant Hotel burnout contest!.. I miss it. I parted out so many of these thing back when they were just used cars it would make you cry. When I was in high school I thought all Challengers where purple six pack cars because the first three Challengers me and my friends had where all that way. We used to just torture them until there was nothing left.
:idea: Ohhhh, the Go-Mango car from a couple of posts ago ... now THAT makes more sense!!
:thinking: I thought you were referring to the the Lemon-Twist 'vert ... which just didn't make sense to me with how visible The Brothers are and not to mention their seemingly endless resources.
:wave: Welcome aboard ... there are plenty of "old school" dinosaurs here (like me!) ... hope you enjoy the forums, post and have fun here!!
Even back in the day, why wouldn't someone want the original engine for there car? :huh:
Quote from: JS29 on November 19, 2019, 05:39:58 AM
Even back in the day, why wouldn't someone want the original engine for there car? :huh:
:bigmoney: :bigmoney: :bigmoney: :bigmoney:
As much as the car should be correct I like it far better with the elastomeric bumpers on , I would have a set of chrome to go on the car but still leave the elastomeric on the car :alan2cents:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on November 19, 2019, 04:41:12 PM
As much as the car should be correct I like it far better with the elastomeric bumpers on , I would have a set of chrome to go on the car but still leave the elastomeric on the car :alan2cents:
:iagree: 100%
since FY1 was late to the available color list for 1971, I don't think A21 or A22 was available in FY1
&
"IF" FY1 was available with elastomeric bumpers would it get 1970 or 1971 parts? :takealook:
..... by the time this car was built, May of '71, most available elastomeric bumper colors were discontinued
Quote from: 6bblgt on November 20, 2019, 12:58:33 PM
since FY1 was late to the available color list for 1971, I don't think A21 or A22 was available in FY1
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"IF" FY1 was available with elastomeric bumpers would it get 1970 or 1971 parts? :takealook:
..... by the time this car was built, May of '71, most available elastomeric bumper colors were discontinued
Can you elaborate any regarding the Argent Bubble on this 71' as well?
I believe most should be black in 71'. Correct?
I don't have fender tag info either. See below the latest picture I have of this car, which I saved to my hard disc in 2003. Then it had got chrome bumpers, therefore it is my ASSUMPTION that it originally came with them. Who would restore the car with chrome bumpers if it originally had A21 or A22? I agree that the colored bumpers look much better.
Also attached see two old pics which I found somewhere in the net. The plates read Wisconsin 1979, I think. The owner added 1970 hockey sticks.
Please note the whitewall tires. Also, the mirrors were chromed racing mirrors all through its life. But on the new picture they were painted.
If it originally had a painted front bumper, I would expect the grille to be body color. But there seem to be a lot of exceptions to this rule, depending on color, build date, etc...
Maybe Ola could help here.
the tires are easy - ALL HEMI E-bodies came with "Raised White Letter" F60-15 Goodyear Polyglas GT tires when new
:banana:
since the color "FY1" was added during the model year and vendors painted components such as elastomeric bumpers, racing mirrors and grills before delivery to the assembly plants
& since bumpers (elastomeric - front), painted racing mirrors and grills were NEW for 1971, the necessary lead time for these components may have eliminated any consideration for their use on the '71 'cuda in "FY1"
:dunno:
from the beginning of the '71 model year; 'cuda (BS ONLY) had painted grills on EV2, FC7, FE5, FJ6, GB5, GF7, GK6, GW3 & GY3 cars (ALL & ONLY, not dependent on any other OPTION) problem is * a truck with shipment of grills CANADA to DETROIT during the winter was involved in a crash and didn't make it to its destination this caused depletion of in-house inventory of painted grills of various colors at various rates & to keep the lines moving "argent" grills were installed on some 'cudas that should have received painted grills.
:alan2cents: IMO, unless I had positive 100% proof that a specific 'cuda in one of the above colors was originally built with an "argent" grill
- it would get a painted grill! NO QUESTION!! :wowzers:
SHAKER bubbles :looney:
this is my take on a scenario that may be close to the gray area we observe ARGENT VS. BLACK 50 years later, there is little or NO proof to support this theory ..........
'71 DODGE Challenger SHAKER ARGENT bubbles
available on 340 & 383HP cars, ARGENT bubbles to match the ARGENT grills (2 set-ups for inventory)
'71 DODGE Challenger R/T SHAKER BLACK bubbles
available on 340, 383HP, 440+6 & HEMI cars, BLACK bubbles to match the BLACK grills (4 set-ups for inventory)
'71 PLYMOUTH 'cuda SHAKER BLACK bubbles on cars w/painted grills: EV2, FC7, FE5, FJ6, GB5, GF7, GK6, GW3 & GY3
available on 340, 383HP, 440+6 & HEMI cars, BLACK bubbles to compliment the body colored painted grills (4 set-ups for inventory)
'71 PLYMOUTH 'cuda SHAKER ARGENT bubbles on cars painted any color not listed above ^
available on 340, 383HP, 440+6 & HEMI cars, ARGENT bubbles to compliment the ARGENT grills (4 set-ups for inventory)
that's 14 air cleaner assemblies needed on the line for whatever cars were being ordered & scheduled. don't know when the plan was thrown out the window, but with E-body musclecar sales less than 1/3 of 1970's coupled with the rarity of the SHAKER hood - inventory control was probably a huge issue & cars got assembled with what was available on hand
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the ARGENT SHAKER & ARGENT grill just look RIGHT together!! :takealook:
Quote from: 6bblgt on November 21, 2019, 03:13:41 AM
this is my take on a scenario that may be close to the gray area we observe ARGENT VS. BLACK 50 years later, there is little or NO proof to support this theory ..........
'71 DODGE Challenger SHAKER ARGENT bubbles
available on 340 & 383HP cars, ARGENT bubbles to match the ARGENT grills (2 set-ups for inventory)
'71 DODGE Challenger R/T SHAKER BLACK bubbles
available on 340, 383HP, 440+6 & HEMI cars, BLACK bubbles to match the BLACK grills (4 set-ups for inventory)
'71 PLYMOUTH 'cuda SHAKER BLACK bubbles on cars w/painted grills: EV2, FC7, FE5, FJ6, GB5, GF7, GK6, GW3 & GY3
available on 340, 383HP, 440+6 & HEMI cars, BLACK bubbles to compliment the body colored painted grills (4 set-ups for inventory)
'71 PLYMOUTH 'cuda SHAKER ARGENT bubbles on cars painted any color not listed above ^
available on 340, 383HP, 440+6 & HEMI cars, ARGENT bubbles to compliment the ARGENT grills (4 set-ups for inventory)
that's 14 air cleaner assemblies needed on the line for whatever cars were being ordered & scheduled. don't know when the plan was thrown out the window, but with E-body musclecar sales less than 1/3 of 1970's coupled with the rarity of the SHAKER hood - inventory control was probably a huge issue & cars got assembled with what was available on hand
Your hypothesis sounds completely plausible to me ... almost sounds like a thesis, and you "defend" it very well Dan!
Still surprises me how NO definitive written production information from the factory ever seemed to have survived. Nor that anyone who actually worked in production control where these parameters were defined ever has come forth and said "this is how we decided what color and parts were used". Sure, now that it's been 50 years most of those people are probably passed on, but thirty years ago when the restoration movement started taking off, these very same people were probably only just retired from the company and could have been a gold-mine of first-hand information. Oh well ...
Anyway, I like your theory Dan ... seems logical to me, so if it's not "copyrighted" by you ... I'm just gonna go with it from here on out.
Attention holiday shoppers! Check out this Black Friday special!
First up for your consideration is this triple-black 1971 Hemi Challenger RT. This is JS23R1B296096, 1 of about 71 1971 Hemi Challenger R/T's made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is triple-black, finished in TX9 Black with V68 stripe delete, a V1X black vinyl top and a H6X9 black interior.
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This Hemi Challenger RT is loaded up with nice options from the factory to include the relatively rare N96 Shaker Hood. Additionally it came from the factory coded for the A01 Light Group Pkg, A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg, A45 Aero Spoiler Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G31/G33 Chrome Sport Mirrors, H31 Rear Window Defogger, J78 Front Spoilers, J81 Go-Wing, the aforementioned N96 Shaker Hood and the rocking R11 AM MusicMaster Radio among other nice things.
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This Hemi Challenger RT is currently part of the Todd Werner Collection. This car is NOT an over-restored show queen. It IS a 32,000 mile original paint unrestored "survivor." The paint is nice but does show it's age with imperfections. The hard parts under the hood and chassis show their age too with original parts and "patina."
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Original interior shows well with minimal wear.
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This car has been through several Mecum Auctions without finding a new owner. The bidding reaching a very substantial $550,000 at Las Vegas but again it wasn't enough to meet Mr Werner's set reserve (WOW!).
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This car has been inspected by Dave Wise of MMC Detroit and comes with a 39 page report of his findings. I don't recall reading one of Dave's reports before, so I found it interesting to go through. Bang it here if you want to see the entire report
https://cdn1.mecum.com/assets/images/media_group/lots/ln1019-388076/1971-dodge-challenger_715430.pdf (https://cdn1.mecum.com/assets/images/media_group/lots/ln1019-388076/1971-dodge-challenger_715430.pdf)
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While checking out the Challenger I ran into some very esteemed members of the Mopar community. From the left we have Wade Ogle, his wife Aster Ogle, yours truly and Dan Pausch. Frank Badalson was there too, but I messed up and failed to invite him to join the photo op.
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Speaking of Wade Ogle, and keeping with the Black Friday theme, Wade and Aster brought their triple-black 1969 Pontiac GTO Ram Air IV convertible to the show.
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Not an E-body, but a very rare and beautiful car nonetheless!
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Keeping with the black Friday theme is one more car that is not an E-body. This is Arnie Dyer's outrageous 1961 Nash Metropolitan with Gen I Hemi power under the hood!! Hemi power, full tube chassis, wall-to-wall rubber under the rear ... this is one crazy ride!! With the narrow track and short wheelbase I can only imagine what a handful this car could be if you unleashed the Hemi ... remember "Wild Willie Borsch" and his Winged Express Fuel Altered?? Yeah, that kind of crazy!!
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I met Wade, his wife and Dan back at MCACN in 2015....super nice people :worship: :drinkingbud:
Quote from: RzeroB on November 21, 2019, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on November 21, 2019, 03:13:41 AM
this is my take on a scenario that may be close to the gray area we observe ARGENT VS. BLACK 50 years later, there is little or NO proof to support this theory ..........
'71 DODGE Challenger SHAKER ARGENT bubbles
available on 340 & 383HP cars, ARGENT bubbles to match the ARGENT grills (2 set-ups for inventory)
'71 DODGE Challenger R/T SHAKER BLACK bubbles
available on 340, 383HP, 440+6 & HEMI cars, BLACK bubbles to match the BLACK grills (4 set-ups for inventory)
'71 PLYMOUTH 'cuda SHAKER BLACK bubbles on cars w/painted grills: EV2, FC7, FE5, FJ6, GB5, GF7, GK6, GW3 & GY3
available on 340, 383HP, 440+6 & HEMI cars, BLACK bubbles to compliment the body colored painted grills (4 set-ups for inventory)
'71 PLYMOUTH 'cuda SHAKER ARGENT bubbles on cars painted any color not listed above ^
available on 340, 383HP, 440+6 & HEMI cars, ARGENT bubbles to compliment the ARGENT grills (4 set-ups for inventory)
that's 14 air cleaner assemblies needed on the line for whatever cars were being ordered & scheduled. don't know when the plan was thrown out the window, but with E-body musclecar sales less than 1/3 of 1970's coupled with the rarity of the SHAKER hood - inventory control was probably a huge issue & cars got assembled with what was available on hand
Your hypothesis sounds completely plausible to me ... almost sounds like a thesis, and you "defend" it very well Dan!
Still surprises me how NO definitive written production information from the factory ever seemed to have survived. Nor that anyone who actually worked in production control where these parameters were defined ever has come forth and said "this is how we decided what color and parts were used". Sure, now that it's been 50 years most of those people are probably passed on, but thirty years ago when the restoration movement started taking off, these very same people were probably only just retired from the company and could have been a gold-mine of first-hand information. Oh well ...
Anyway, I like your theory Dan ... seems logical to me, so if it's not "copyrighted" by you ... I'm just gonna go with it from here on out.
Just to ad a bit here, Dan's theory is very plausible and is likely what was intended, and the last statement is also relevant 'cars got assembled with what was on hand " as to possibilities of what happened in those long lost days.
As for the gold mind of information being lost by retired or deceased employees, I agree, but I was fortunate enough to gather information in the mid 80's, in the half dozen times I visited Fram , vendor of shaker assemblies.
I became very good friends with the ' go to guy' there and although it was like pulling teeth, I was told many interesting stories.
He was the very employee who was sent to Hamtramck in 1969 to show line workers how to assemble shaker units on the cars.
Here is some information he provided to me which alludes to the 'use what was available on hand' scenario.
Shaker assemblies fully intact including nameplates were shipped in 1969 in bedsteads of 60 from Fram in Chatham Ontario to Hamtramck.
All were argent with the exception of some red ones, that were separate, destined for Barracudas.
When in fall of 1969 and the Challenger shaker was put on hold, after a period of time, Hamtramck sent several bedsteads of argent scoop assemblies back to Chatham, not knowing when the need would be for them again,.. if ever.
These units were put into Fram inventory.
Challenger shaker option resumed again in the spring of 70 and some of these were used up, but when the 1970 model production run was over, Fram still had a bedstead or more of argent scoop assemblies.
The 1971 model year saw Chrysler implement the change to black scooped assemblies.
Sometime in the spring of 1971 whether it was a shortage or just the vendor decision, when Hamtramck required shaker assemblies, Fram decided to use up the existing stock of argent scoop assemblies and sent those off to Michigan.
There may have been some argent assemblies used on earlier 1971 Challengers as well, but argent shakers is well documented by many known owners, ( several board members here ), of 440-6 and Hemi 71 Challenger RT's.
This a top 5 favorite thread in my humble opinion. Takes away all the guilt on the money I spent to restore my car that I try to drive weekly.
Beautiful Chall :twothumbsup:
That Nash would be a ride !!
Great pics and info!! :twothumbsup:
Always great info, thanks Terry :worship: :drinkingbud:
On to December. For the Christmas season how about we post up some red, white and green cars? Check out this "sleigh". Santa would be really styling if he pulled up in this ride ... although the small trunk really doesn't leave much room for presents. What do you say Santa? Do you want to forget the eight reindeer and go with 425 horses?
BS23R0B176871 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4 speed. It is finished in FE5 Rallye-Red with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes, a V1X black vinyl top and a H6E4 red vinyl interior.
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from the fender tag we can tell that this Rallye-Red rocket came equipped with the A22 Elastomeric Front and Rear Bumper Package, A33 Track-Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, G36 painted Sport Mirrors, and a R11 AM Radio among other nice things.
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Check out the interior ... whole lot of red there with the H6E4 interior. With only 28K on the clock the interior looks fresh and new!
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This is just a cool shot of the HemiCuda's Shaker. You got to love this stuff!
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This car was for sale for a long time at Champion Motors in Syosset NY (Long Island). They had it listed at $350K. I checked the listing today, and it is no longer part of their inventory ... so I assume that somebody bought it ... but who? I don't know ... maybe somebody from way up north? Here is the last picture I have of it ... looks snowy wherever that is.
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dang. i love that interior color combination :perfect10:
That's a great car!!
It has the chrome grill inserts like a gran coup or an AAR. :huh:
:rubeyes: Wow that is a lot of red !!
Quote from: JS29 on December 07, 2019, 09:54:07 AM
It has the chrome grill inserts like a gran coup or an AAR. :huh:
I think that's just an optical illusion :alan2cents:
Keeping with the Christmas colors theme, our next entry is EF8 Ivy-Green ... perhaps Plymouth should have called it "Ever-Green?" :D
BS23R0B159467 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. In this light, the car almost looks black, but it is actually finished in EF8 Ivy-Green with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes added and has a H6X9 black vinyl interior. This numbers-matching "Ever-Green" HemiCuda was restored by none other than Roger Gibson, but who the current owner is I do not know.
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From the fender tag we can see that this HemiCuda wasn't optioned to be a drag-strip terror, but instead to be a power-cruiser. It is equipped with the A01 Light Group, A62 Rallye Gauges, B51 Power Disc Brakes, G33 chrome LH Sport Mirror and a R22 AM/FM Radio among other things.
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Nicely equipped interior on this clean green HemiCuda (machine).
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Ivy-Green and unfettered by extra cost options such as a Go-Wing or rear-window louvers (and originally NOT having Hockey Stick stripes from the factory) this HemiCuda could have been rather unassuming and a real street sleeper! But the "hemicuda" emblems on the Shaker of course gives away the true nature of the beast.
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About seven years ago this green gem was advertised on Cars-On-Line dot com. Here's the ad as I found it ...
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Special thanks :thankyou: to Jens Kriete (JS23U) for providing me the high quality pictures of the car and fender tag. :twothumbsup:
Nice car! Freaky how the paint looks more like charcoal gray than green?
Can someone tell me why the red one has a hemi fender tag but the green one does not.
Would that mean that the tire order dictated that? Red one ordered 15's originally while green ordered 14's?
Good question? I was sure all Hemi E bodie's came standard with F60-15 tires? Not sure why some didn't come with the Hemi rolled lip fenders?
ALL HEMI E-bodies had Goodyear Polyglas GT F60-15 RWL tires, STANDARD (no OPTIONAL tire was available)
....... both Dodge Challenger R/T & Plymouth 'cuda had "M26" wheel lip mouldings STANDARD
early in the '70 model year, Chrysler Corp. discovered under certain conditions that - the front tire could contact the front fender
* most "early" HEMI E-bodies were sent to Creative Industries (as complete cars) to have the front wheel lips "rolled" by hand to provide more clearance, during this procedure - the wheel lip mouldings were: trimmed, cut, modified and/or eliminated. 'cuda wheel lip mouldings survived this procedure better than Challenger R/T versions
** during the winter of model year 1970, "M26" wheel lip mouldings were "DELETED" from HEMI E-bodies
*** during the spring of model year 1970, a new, specific stamped "HEMI FENDER" (and additional fender tag) was released to eliminate the need for the off-site hand rolled fenders
semi-related - the original design proposal for the T/A & AAR cars included H60-15 tires mounted on 15x8.0" wheels on all 4 corners, this would have required a special "TRANS AM" fender
...... when this design feature was abandoned is unknown :alan2cents: but I believe this explains the origin of the "TRANS AM" fender tag & the number of T/A & AAR cars built with unnecessary "HEMI FENDER"s & the confusion this causes decades later
:crazytalk:
so as it appears the green R0B is an A -October
and the red R0B is a B -November
Quote from: 6bblgt on December 15, 2019, 10:26:53 AM
ALL HEMI E-bodies had Goodyear Polyglas GT F60-15 RWL tires, STANDARD (no OPTIONAL tire was available)
....... both Dodge Challenger R/T & Plymouth 'cuda had "M26" wheel lip mouldings STANDARD
early in the '70 model year, Chrysler Corp. discovered under certain conditions that - the front tire could contact the front fender
** during the winter of model year 1970, "M26" wheel lip mouldings were "DELETED" from HEMI E-bodies
So would this be 12/70 when discontinued?
Because if that's the case, then 1971 hemicuda's early production would of had M26 as well up to 12/70.
Quote from: cuda hunter on December 15, 2019, 01:12:58 PM
so as it appears the green R0B is an A -October
and the red R0B is a B -November
IMO neither should have "HEMI FENDER" tag, & both should have hand "rolled" fenders w/wheel lip mouldings
Quote from: Topcat on December 15, 2019, 01:18:13 PM
So would this be 12/70 when discontinued?
Because if that's the case, then 1971 hemicuda's early production would of had M26 as well up to 12/70.
model year 1970 - Winter was from Sunday 12/21/69 thru Saturday 3/20/70
by design ALL 1971 model year HEMI E-bodies
should have "HEMI FENDER" tag, factory stamped F60-15 fenders & NO wheel lip moldings
..... there are a number of known exceptions
Here is a picture of what the molding and hemi fender look like installed. This hemicuda has it's original fenders and original wheel lip moldings. It seems like the molding was cut with a ban saw. Mid October 1969 build car.
Keeping with the Christmas colors theme, our next entry to join the "Santa" Red and "Ever-Green" cars is this white as fresh fallen snow one ... known colloquially as the "Polar Bear" (or "Dairy Man Delight") ... making it the perfect entry for today!
BS23R0B349154 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4-speed. It is finished in EW1 Alpine-White with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and has a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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The "Polar Bear" was part of a HemiCuda duo owned by the same person and together they were known as the "Checkered Flag" HemiCuda pair. The "Polar Bear" with it's white exterior, black interior and 4-speed was paired with it's opposite counterpart that had a black exterior, white interior and automatic which was known as ... the "Penguin" (or Tuxedo) ... you could almost say that they were ... "polar opposites"!!
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With few options, this HemiCuda was purpose built with the A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes and little else. However what it lacks in options it makes up for it in being an all original unrestored survivor with only 9,800 miles on the clock!
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The pair passed through the 2007 Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale auction where the "Polar Bear" sold for $264K and it's opposite counterpart the "Penguin", fared a little better on the bid and went for $286K. I don't think they stayed together as the "Checkered Flag" pair ... but I don't know for sure. Be nice to know where they are now ... but wherever that is I'm sure the "Polar Bear" and "Penguin" are in good hands.
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How about one more "sleigh" before Christmas? Check out this red on red Hemi Challenger RT with a snow white top and butt stripe. With it's bright red body trimmed with white, and Hemi power to rocket this "sleigh" from 0 to 60 by the end of the roof, this Hemi Challenger RT looks as if it was custom made for Santa!!
This is one of my favorite ones ... but one that I really do not have a lot of info on or pictures of ... in fact this is the ONLY picture that I have of it. This is JS23R0B173261. It is 1 of about 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 137 with a 4-speed. It is finished in FE5 Bright-Red with a V9W white Bumble-Bee stripe, a V1W white vinyl top and a H6E4 red vinyl interior. A very striking and attractive combination!!
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In 2011 I found a sales ad for this car from when it was in Las Vegas. I copied the picture and the link to the ad, but I didn't copy the entire ad itself. Of course the link is now dead and all that I have is this picture and some notes that I wrote down pertaining to the car. Per the ad this car is equipped with the A34 Super-Track-Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, a G33 Chrome LH mirror and S77 Power Steering among other things.
Purportedly there were only FOUR red on red Hemi Challenger RTs made in 1970. Three of them are solid Bright-Red while this one is the only one that breaks up all that red with a vinyl top. Two are automatics, and two of them are 4-speeds as is this one. VIN-wise this is the first one and it supposedly sold new out of Salt Lake City Utah. The second one an automatic, was sold new here in St Louis MO. It was here with the same owner for nearly 40 years before it recently sold and from what I heard, headed off to a new home in California. The third, also a 4-speed, sold new out of Pasadena TX. It has been restored, featured in MCG and is currently a proud featured display in a Texas Dodge Dealership's showroom. The fourth and final car sold new out of Ohio, but currently resides here in St Louis MO. It is an original unrestored survivor and has been in the same family for over 40 years being passed down from father to son.
As for 173261, it's pretty distinctive car that should be easily recognized by it's unique combination of being one of four red on red Hemi Challengers and the ONLY one of them with a white vinyl top. As distinctive as it is ... it's been kind of an enigma. The aforementioned ad is the only time that I have ever seen it. It's out there somewhere ... but where ... and with who? If you have any pics or update info that you would like to share ... please do! Enjoy ... and have a Merry Christmas!!
Does anyone recognize this TX9 Hemicuda? TX9-H6X9-D32-V1X
:thinking: I have no idea. :notsure:
To further narrow it down it looks like it has A21, A32 (I see a Dana with that auto), G31, G33, M26 wheel well mouldings (early build car) and is radio delete (I don't see an antennae)
:thinking: wasn't there a recent thread, a year or two ago, about a black barn find hemi'cuda that was in the UK since the mid/late-'70s? or was that a repaint from blue?
:takealook: also the car has "no-size" Polyglas GTs - should have a SPD prior to December '69
the A21 or A22 bumper packages included the dual racing mirrors :alan2cents:
Hi, new member. 1971 hemicuda convertible at Ron Adair's in Michigan. Photo from 1985. Don't remember the vin.
Purchased by a member of the Qatar royal family when new. Would love to see a picture of it when it was new.
Welcome to the site , interesting pictures !!
IF this hemi'cuda was EV2 "tor red" & IF it had elastomeric bumpers, front & rear - it would look just like the "Sand 'cuda" did when new :yes:
Quote from: Jimlt4383 on January 02, 2020, 09:07:31 PM
Hi, new member. 1971 hemicuda convertible at Ron Adair's in Michigan. Photo from 1985. Don't remember the vin.
here is a more recent pic of BS27R1B327882 :takealook:
Mylars for 1st built last sold 1971 Hemi Challenger and 2nd to last built 1971 Hemi Challeneger
Thanks for the welcome and the replies. BS23R0B242385 female owner last 20 years. 4 sleep, 4.10 car.
Quote from: RzeroB on June 28, 2019, 06:54:06 PM
Black ... black and white ... the basics are timeless and never seem to go out of style. On that note, how about a black (and white) '70 Hemi Challenger RT to go with the 'Cuda's that were recently shown??
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JS23R0B309966 is 1 of only 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. It is finished in TX9 Black set off with a starkly contrasting V9W white Bumble Bee stripe and a H6XW white interior.
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Built in mid April 1970, this Hemi Challenger RT is said to be one of the first to come from the factory with the redesigned N96 Shaker hood. Per the seller, it is claimed to be one of only 14 '70 Hemi Challenger RT's factory equipped with the N96 Shaker hood. I don't know the accuracy of that claim as I have seen the number vary considerably from 14. Maybe someone more in the know like Dan P might give us a better idea of just how many might have came with this option?
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Inside the H6XW white interior contrasts sharply with the black interior components and the TX9 Black exterior paint.
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Under the hood, and the Shaker dome, the mighty Hemi resides. Behind it is a Hemi Torqueflite and out back is the stout A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg. The Torqueflite makes it easy to apply the Hemi's prodigenous power - stomp your right foot down and this Challenger is GONE!! Fortunately it is also equipped with the B51 Power Disc Brakes and S77 Power Steering to help you control the rampaging beast!!
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With all of the nice things that this '70 Hemi Challenger RT has going for it, striking black and white appearance, factory Shaker, original Broadcast sheet, etc., ... something is holding it back in the sales value department. Last year at Mecum's fall Las Vegas auction this Hemi Challenger RT hammer sold for a seemingly low $115,500. Is it the automatic? Maybe the non-matching numbers engine under the hood? Who knows?
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MaxMotive out of Pittsburgh PA bought the car at the Mecum auction and they now have it for sale ... of course it's a lot more than what it sold for at auction, but it still seems "reasonable" at $149,426 for such a nice looking Hemi Challenger RT.
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I know what you are thinking ... you're thinking "that IS a nice looking Hemi Challenger RT AND the price doesn't seem that unreasonable (especially compared to a similar HemiCuda)" It has it's original Broadcast sheet, it IS a factory Shaker car, and you got to admit, it IS a sharp looking tuxedo!! You sigh and say "If only it had it's original engine ..." But wait!! There's good news!! The original engine for this car is not one that was blown up and lost to the ages a long time ago. Oh no, the original engine is still alive and well and living in a '67 GTX. All you have to do is buy the Hemi Challenger at it's "reasonable" asking price, work a deal for the original engine from the owner of the GTX and then you would have a killer numbers-matching factory Shaker Hemi Challenger RT!! About the only downside is that the owner of the GTX would probably want a king's ransom for the original motor ... sigh.
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Any one have any history or know any issues with this car? PM is fine if you not want to post. Thanks
Happy New Year!! :woohoo:
Thanks to your contributions we have a couple of good transitions to the new year. I'll start with this one ...
Quote from: Jimlt4383 on January 02, 2020, 09:07:31 PM
Hi, new member. 1971 hemicuda convertible at Ron Adair's in Michigan. Photo from 1985. Don't remember the vin.
As Dan (6bblgt) pointed out, the aforementioned 1971 HemiCuda convertible is BS27R1B327882. It is one of only 12 1971 HemiCuda convertibles recognized to ever have been made. It is one of only seven made for the U.S. market and of those one of only five with an automatic. As with all of the Hemi powered E-body convertibles, it is an extremely rare, and very elite car in a class unto themselves.
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327882 is finished in classic combination of FE5 Rallye-Red with a V3X black convertible top and a H6X9 black viny interior. The paint, top and interior, together with the color keyed grill and Elastomeric bumpers, make for a visually striking combination that is sure to turn heads no matter where it may go.
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Reportedly the car was ordered new in Michigan, but where exactly I do not know. Whoever ordered it new apparently wanted it to be more of a "power cruiser" than a back street brawler as evidenced by the fact that it had no axle package ordered and came with the standard 3:23 geared open 8.75" rear end.
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I like this close up of the HemiCuda's front end. It shows great detail of the "cheese-grater" grill and all of the other features that make the '71 Cuda's design so unique and iconic. Having never seen the actual fender tag for this car I don't know if the Elastomeric bumpers are original to the car or not. Many of the older pictures of this car show it without the Elastomeric bumpers. Maybe they were added at some point?
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327882 is nicely equipped for power cruising with the A62 Rallye Gauge Pkg, C16 Center Console, C62 Six-Way Seat, P37 Power Convertible Top, the booming R11 Music Master 2W AM Radio and S77 Power Steering among other nice things.
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Here is 327882 when it attended the 2005 Meadow Brook Concours D'Elegance in Michigan. Here it was joined by nine other Hemi E-body convertibles in what was at the time an unprecedented gathering of Hemi E-body convertibles all in one place. At the time of this show I believe noted Chicago collector Tom Lembeck had acquired it as his Winchester-Gray '71 HemiCuda convertible was in attendance too.
In addition to Tom, this car has a long and memorable association with Bill Drake Sr of upstate NY. Under Bill's ownership the car was a regular at all of the big Mopar shows throughout the northeast. I assume prior to Bill it was Ron Adair who owned it? Or was it the other way around? Someone please straighten me out on the ownership lineage ...
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This impressive automobile is currently owned by noted Chicago collector Tom Lembeck. However, the last couple of times I have been to the MCACN show after party at Tom's place this particular car was noticeably absent. Reportedly it has been up in Lodi Wisconsin at Restorations by Nicolay where John Nicolay is giving it a "freshening"? Maybe it will be back in Tom's garage this coming fall and I will finally get to see it up close and more personal than I did when it was at the 2015 MCACN show Hemi E-body Convertible Invitational as shown here.
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AFAIK
Ron
Bill
Tom
& yes the bumpers are added
:-X
Awesome looking Cuda :twothumbsup:
I agree, looks great with the bumpers on it, but I could never bring myself to add options to such a rare piece of automotive history :alan2cents:
P37 power top, S77 power steering added as well.
Addditions made by Drake who added a billboard also, removed by Tom
when he acquired it.
I am a big Rush fan ... and I was saddened with the recent passing of Neil Peart. I recently reread a 2015 band interview which took place prior to their final R40 tour. Apparently Neil was a big fan of vintage cars. At the start of the story Neil and the interviewer were tooling around SoCal in his silver Aston-Martin DB5. I was a bit surprised that it wasn't in a red Barchetta ... I always liked that song.
Wind
In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge...
Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware...
Instead of a red Barchetta I sometimes use to transpose "HemiCuda" into the lyrics ... who else has done that ... it can't only be me!! Because of the line "wind, in my hair" it HAS to be a convertible. And with the line "shifting and drifting" I assume it has to have a manual transmission. So it has to be a red Hemi E-body convertible with a 4-speed that you would substitute for the Barchetta in that song right?
However, as it turns out, none of the Hemi E-body convertibles that are 4-speeds are red. What to do? I'm improvising on the fly here and am just going to substitute a "blue HemiCuda" in there because the "u" in "blue" kind of rhymes the the "u" in "Cu-da" ... work with me here!!
I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant
blue HemiCudaFrom a better vanished time
I fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires
burning rubber I commit my weekly crime...
I like to think that The Professor would approve ...
BS27R1B269588 is 1 of only 12 1971 HemiCuda convertibles ever made. 1 of only 7 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 2 made with a 4-speed. It is finished in GB5 True Blue with a H6B5 blue interior and a V3W white convertible top.
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At the 2007 RM auction this car sold for a then record $2.2 million dollars. This blue beauty is equipped with the A21 front Elastomeric Bumper pkg, A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana axle pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, and S77 Power Steering among other things.
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I don't know where this picture might have been taken ... MCACN maybe? Wherever it is, 269588 is in good company as it looks like Dave Blake's EV2 and Tom Lembeck's GA4 (barely visible) and FE5 '71 HemiCuda convertibles are there with it.
Only 2 of the 7 HemiCuda convertibles built in 1971 for the U.S. market were equipped with a 4-speed - and interestingly enough both of them are GB5 True Blue with blue interiors. They look very similar, but there are a couple of notable differences. 269588 has a white top, an Elastomeric front bumper and a color-keyed grille; while 315367 has a black top, a chrome front bumper and an argent grille.
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Burning lots of rubber, doing a lot of "shifting" and the I'm sure the occasional "drifting" when getting out of the grove!! In less than a year after taking delivery of this car right here in St Louis MO, the original owner sold it to Ohio racer Nick Masciarell. Nick turned the car into a SS/EA Super-Stock'er and raced it until mid-'73. At that point it was sold to West Virginia racers John Book and John Oliverio. Here the car is as Book and Oliverio's "Mountain Mopar" racing at Eldora Raceway in Fairmont West Virginia sometime in '73 or '74. At the end of '74 the car was retired and later sold to the Painter brothers. After it's racing days were over, the value of the car was recognized by Milt Robson. Milt bought it, restored it, and it was part of his collection for a very long time.
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Now owned by mega-collectors The Brothers, this HemiCuda convertible's days of burning rubber, shifting and drifting are pretty much over. Now it has passed on to becoming more or less a beautiful show piece that belies it's past as a drag strip terror. Most recently this HemiCuda convertible was one of 27 in attendance for the Hemi E-body convertible invitational held during the 2015 MCACN show in Chicago. It was an unprecidented event in that it was largest gathering of Hemi E-body convertibles ever.
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If you would like to see more of this "brilliant blue HemiCuda" ... check out The Brother's Muscle Car of the Week video about it here
That was a great read! Thanks for all the hard work you put in this thread!! :bigthumb:
Quote from: 750-h2 on January 20, 2020, 10:52:55 AM
That was a great read! Thanks for all the hard work you put in this thread!! :bigthumb:
Not hard at all ... I actually find it fun! :D
After a couple of HemiCuda 'verts we're going to take a step back and features some Hemi hardtops ... not that a hardtop is a "step back" ... but relative to the Hemi 'verts they might be just a little baby-step in that direction!
How about a blue on blue '70 HemiCuda? BS23R0B195023 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in EB5 True-Blue with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes, a V1X black vinyl top and a H6B5 blue vinyl interior.
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Preserved original window sticker. Window stickers are interesting in that not only do they show what the car was ordered with, but also what it cost and where it was shipped to and sold. Here we can see that this HemiCuda was sold out of Lawrenceburg Indiana and came equipped with the A01 Light Group Package, A32 Super-Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, C16 Center Console, G11 Tinted Glass, G31/G33 chrome Sport Mirrors and a rockin' R22 AM Radio with 8-Track tape player among other things.
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This blue beauty also has the broadcast sheet that shows all of the details that are not shown on the window sticker ... a very nicely equipped car indeed.
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Beautiful H6B5 blue interior throughout adorns the inside of this HemiCuda. Out of all of the "colored" interiors available for these cars ... I probably like the blue the best.
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The mighty pachyderm wedged between the fenders rests until called upon for another charging stampede! :burnout:
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I LOVE this picture! Beautiful highly detailed close-up frontal picture! This is a great picture in the way it is lighted and composed! Great work by the photographer - whoever it was! I don't know who the lucky owner is ... or where this fish may be lurking now ... but this fish is a "keeper"!. I do know that the last recorded sale I could find for it was at Russo and Steele's 2011 Monterey auction where it hammer-sold for a very respectable $198K.
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Quote from: RzeroB on December 23, 2019, 05:13:08 PM
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I can share some additional pics of 173261. The first one is from 2003, the others from 2005. All are found somewhere in the net.
Awesome pics Jens!! Thank you for sharing them with us!! :cheers:
I do like the look of a pistol grip with out the console! :worship:
While we are at it, we might as well post up the only other red on red 4 speed Hemi Challenger RT. Once again I have to credit Jens Kriete (aka JS23U) with helping me out with great pics and info on these specific cars. :cheers:
JS23R0B292777 is 1 of about 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 137 with a 4-speed. It is finished in FE5 Bright Red with V6X black longitudinal stripes and the equally bright red H6E4 interior.
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From the well painted red fender tag we can see that this red rocket came equipped from the factory with the: A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Pkg, C16 red center console, C62 Six-Way driver's seat, G34 red LH Sport Mirror, M91 chrome Luggage Rack on the trunk lid; and the R22 AM/8-Track radio tape player among other nice things.
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Check out this interior pic! Red, red, red ... now that's an interior that the Red Rocker Sammy Hagar would just go ga-ga over!!
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This Hemi Challenger RT was sold new out of Pasadena ... not California ... but Pasadena Texas. Not to say that this car never made it to California, because it did at one time reside in the San Francisco Bay Area for a while. They say all roads lead to home, and the same is true for this car because it has made it's way back home to Texas and now is part of the Bayway Collection of Darryl Wischnewsky (I believe I got that right??). Darryl is president of the Bayway Auto Group and proudly displays this Hemi Challenger RT at his Dodge dealership.
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Great looking car in an uncommon color combination that looks good from any angle. If you would like to see more of this beauty you can always travel to Bayway Dodge in Houston Texas ... or you can bang it here to see it when it was featured in the July 1999 issue of Mopar Collector's Guide
http://moparcollectorsguide.com/onlinemags/members/allonline/1999/july99/index.php (http://moparcollectorsguide.com/onlinemags/members/allonline/1999/july99/index.php)
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Here is another 70 Hemi Challenger.. Been in Sweden for a long while. JS23R0B289786--EV2-D21-H6X9
I was wondering if the red on red JS23R0B292777 Challenger make it here. It was bought by Bill Gurevich (spelling of last name could be incorrect) some time in the 80's and driven to CA from TX. I think Bill sold and bought it a few times until Jerry Ketchum brought it to Sacramento CA. He had this Challenger and my hemicuda at the same time I believe. Jerry brought the Challenger to Dave Mortensen who restored it in the early 90's sometime. Great car!
I posted the info a while back in the thread but here's a picture. It and the red hemi Challenger would look great together again!
Quote from: E74cuda on February 02, 2020, 01:12:24 PM
I posted the info a while back in the thread but here's a picture. It and the red hemi Challenger would look great together again!
Thanks for posting!! Looks fantastic!! :takealook:
If you don't mind, please tell us more about it, how long you have had it, and how you wound up acquiring it.
Is it a stick or auto?? Rubber bumpers front AND rear?? Axle package?? Sorry if I'm being to intrusive ... I just love this stuff too much not to ask!! :crazytalk:
Quote from: RzeroB on February 02, 2020, 02:38:03 PM
Quote from: E74cuda on February 02, 2020, 01:12:24 PM
I posted the info a while back in the thread but here's a picture. It and the red hemi Challenger would look great together again!
Thanks for posting!! Looks fantastic!! :takealook:
If you don't mind, please tell us more about it, how long you have had it, and how you wound up acquiring it.
Is it a stick or auto?? Rubber bumpers front AND rear?? Axle package?? Sorry if I'm being to intrusive ... I just love this stuff too much not to ask!! :crazytalk:
I can help.
It's a console shift automatic with Super High Performance axle package. The bumpers are front and rear (A22). The block was replaced with a date correct replacement.
Along with what Chris said it has the original trans and dana along with great original sheet metal and all of the correct original hemi parts. Original white interior car, console shift and rallye gauges. Also a nice build sheet, original fender tag, dash tag and body numbers. It came to CA from Nevada where I believe it was sold new. After owning it for 20 years I will be putting it up for sale this year so if someone wants more info PM me.
Quote from: E74cuda on February 03, 2020, 08:26:24 AM
Along with what Chris said it has the original trans and dana along with great original sheet metal and all of the correct original hemi parts. Original white interior car, console shift and rallye gauges. Also a nice build sheet, original fender tag, dash tag and body numbers. It came to CA from Nevada where I believe it was sold new. After owning it for 20 years I will be putting it up for sale this year so if someone wants more info PM me.
I can vouch that this is a fantastic car. You will be hard pressed to find one with original metal and parts like this one.
I've tried to convince Eric not to sell it, but he doesn't listen to me. It's OK I don't always listen to him either. :rofl:
I'd love to see that EK2 R/T finished. EK2 with a longitudinal stripe and no vinyl top is my favourite for a 1970 Challenger... :inlove:
The topic red on red Challengers reminded me of an old magazine article I have. The car is an FE5 H6E4 automatic. It very much looks like the car that was for sale in St. Louis in 2018. But its history doesn't seem to fit. Could this mag car be a third FE5 H6E4 D32 car?
The article is taken from "Hemi Muscle" 2nd Annual, "From the editors of High Performance Mopar" from 1996.
And while I had that magazine in my hands I also scanned another article, this time about a FY1 V1X Hemi Challenger. This car was on the title of the Hemi Muscle rag. The quadriplegic owner had several muscle cars and they did a shootout against a 69 Shelby GT-500. Can anyone tell any news about the owner Scott Hill or the Challenger? I haven't heard anything ever since except for another pic somewhere in the net 17 years ago. I even don't know the VIN.
The Scott Hill car looks very similar to the following one, which I also found sonmewhere in the net 19 years ago. It was told to be a real Hemi but I don't know anything else about this car or picture. Maybe it is the same car, sold to Lousiana at the time?
:lurking: Great articles from the archives Jens!
I have never seen either one of those before. I'm kind of surprised that apparently nobody else in this community has ... or has at least heard of Andy DeLorenzo and Scott Hill?? :notsure:
I don't have a lot of info on this one ... one pic of the fender tag and one pic of the car ... and that's about it. But from what I do have ... I find this particular car kind of fascinating.
This HemiCuda is BS23R0B159633. It is one of about 652 made for the U.S. market and of those one of about 368 with an automatic. It is finished in FC7 In-Violet with what should be a a vinyl top (although it is missing here in this pic) and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
The color combination of FC7 with a black interior was very popular with the Hemi E-bodies in 1970 with literally dozens and dozens of them being produced in that particular color combination. Here is the one pic I have of this car and apparently it was taken by none other than Joe "Hemi" Sica (thanks Joe!!). At first glance it looks like just like all the other FC7 with black interior Hemi E-bodies ... or is it??
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Here is the only other pic I have for this HemiCuda ... ironically it's of the fender tag of all things (even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then!)! Lets take a look at what's on the fender tag ...
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From it's fender tag, we can see that this particular car came equipped from the factory with the A21 Elastomeric Front Bumper Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G31/G33 Chrome Sport Mirrors and the thunderous R11 MusicMaster 2W AM Radio among other nice things.
Not a whole lot of options ordered with this particular car ... but did you notice the vinyl top that it is coded for?? Yes, that's correct ... a V1G Gator Grain vinyl top was originally equipped on this car! Kind of an "odd-ball" combination ... so much so that at some point in time, whoever owned it had the top removed. Did they remove it because it was weathered and worn and needed to be replaced? Did they remove it because it needed to be replaced but they could not find a Gator Grain replacement for it? Or did they remove it because they thought "Who put a brown top on a purple car ... that looks like crap!!" Who really knows?
Apparently the first pic of the whole car was taken at one of the Midwest Mopars in the Park shows up in Farmington MN. When it was taken I don't know. I do know, that I wouldn't mind seeing some more pics of this interesting car ... and if it's owner ever got around to putting the Gator Grain top back on it to return it to it's very unique color combination of FC7 In Violet WITH a V1G Gator Grain top and a H6X9 black vinyl interior. Post those pics up of this car if you have them!!
:takealook:
I guess that answers what the missing digits here are! It was in or near Santa Ana, CA at some point in time ~20 years ago .....
BS23ROB146415 Four speed, 4.10 car. 2800 miles. Does anyone have a picture of the fender tag?
Same car restored.
Roses are red ... and violets are blue ... I love red E-bodies ... and I hope you do too!! :crazytalk:
Being that today is Valentine's day, I thought we would post up another one of those rare red-on-red cars that everybody seems to love!! So without further ado, here is JS23R0B294518, which is 1 of about 287 Hemi Challenger RT's made for the U.S. market in 1970, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. Being a Hemi Challenger RT is pretty special unto itself, but what makes this particular car pretty exclusive is that it is 1 of about only 5 finished in FE5 Bright Red with the H6E4 red interior.
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I had heard that this car has been in the greater St Louis area for a long time but I had never seen it around anywhere. I finally caught up to it last September when it was in attendance at one of the big local cars shows. There I saw the car, met it's owner Curtis (and his mom Rindi - more on her later) and spent an enjoyable time getting to know them and the car.
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Curtis told me that in the 1980's his dad was looking for a Hemi Challenger RT. Using that very popular pre-internet car finding "app" Hemmings, his dad found this one down in Florida and brought it back to St Louis where it has been ever since. The car is not a "trailer-queen", no, it's been driven, quite a bit actually with nearly 49,000 miles on the odometer. It's also unrestored and pretty much original retaining it's original numbers matching driveline, original interior and most of it's original paint.
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Curtis' Challenger is not overly equipped with options ... in fact, it really doesn't have too many at all. It came equipped from the factory with the A36 Performance 3:55 geared 8.75" Axle Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, S77 Power Steering and that's about it. It is also V68 Stripe Delete and didn't even come with a radio from the factory.
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Of the 5 red-on-red 1970 Hemi Challenger RTs (that I know of), 2 are 4-speeds and three are automatics. The 4-speeds are easy to distinguish from the others being that one of them has a white vinyl top and the other has black longitudinal side stripes. The 3 automatics are not that easy - all three of them are V68 Stripe Delete.
Curtis' car did not come from the factory with a radio, so there is no antennae on the front right fender. However, an owner prior to Curtis' dad, added a radio ... and an antennae to the left rear quarter panel. Curtis' dad removed the antennae and welded up the hole. If you look closely at the quarter panel you can see a slightly darker shade of red where the painter tried to blend in the repair work. So if you find pictures of a red-on-red Hemi Challenger RT's on the internet, you can tell if it's Curtis' car, or not, by the presence of a radio antennae on the left rear quarter panel, or complete lack there of.
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This is Curtis' mom, Rindi's car. It was completely restored by Curtis and his dad for his mom. It's not a Hemi Challenger, but it is one super sweet 1974 Challenger Rallye with a 360 automatic. This car is impeccable inside and out and attracted as much attention as did Curtis' Hemi Challenger - it is THAT nice!! Rindi is pretty cool too ... she is as much of a gearhead as anyone else!! Must of been pretty cool for Curtis growing up with a dad ... and mom, who were totally into the Mopar lifestyle!! :burnout:
what a fantastisk history i like both cars.
Quote from: RzeroB on February 14, 2020, 09:32:32 PM
Roses are red ... and violets are blue ... I love red E-bodies ... and I hope you do too!! :crazytalk:
Being that today is Valentine's day, I thought we would post up another one of those rare red-on-red cars that everybody seems to love!! So without further ado, here is JS23R0B294518, which is 1 of about 287 Hemi Challenger RT's made for the U.S. market in 1970, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. Being a Hemi Challenger RT is pretty special unto itself, but what makes this particular car pretty exclusive is that it is 1 of about only 5 finished in FE5 Bright Red with the H6E4 red interior.
I had a chance to buy the Red on Red 4 speed non-vinyl top car ... TWICE - at a price you all don't want to know. My brother ended up restoring that car. :deadhorse:
We've been on a bit of a red-streak lately. This time around we're going to stay with the red interior ... but change up the exterior (after all there are only so many red on red cars).
I've always have liked this next car. It is a classic combination of bad-ass black with a blood red interior that hearkens back to the mighty Mopars of the early '60's. With it's very distinctive color combination it stands out and many of you may already know the car and it's owner(s). For those that don't, this is BS23R0B159631, 1 of about 652 HemiCuda's made for the U.S. market in 1970 and of those, 1 of about 368 with the automatic transmission, but only 1 of 2, possibly 3, or maybe 4, in this color combination :notsure:
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This striking black beauty is finished in TX9 Black Velvet with V5R red side moldings that accentuate the car perfectly ...
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and of course the bright H6E4 red interior that separates this car from all of the other bad-ass black HemiCuda's out there!!
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Pennsylvania collector Wes Cree had owned this car for a long time and it often could be found on display at the Carlisle Chrysler Nationals among other shows. Here it is with it's maw agape showing off it's fearsome heart ... along with a very nice display placard. This HemiCuda is one of the seemingly few that exited Hamtramck without any kind of an extra cost axle package under it. It has the standard 3:23 geared 8.75" axle under it, the A62 Rallye Gauge Pkg, C16 Center Console, R22 AM / 8-Track Radio, the aforementioned V5R red vinyl side moldings and of course the bright H6E4 red interior ... and that's about it. Not "loaded' with options, but it definitely has a very distinctive color combination!
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Note that on Wes' display placard the last remark implies that there are only two HemiCuda's known to have been made with the black exterior and a red interior. I don't know about that, but Wes sold the car last year and it's new owner Ryan Clough has "heard" that there may be as many as four in this unique color combination! I only know of this one ... but I'm always keeping an eye out for the others! :takealook:
Thanks for the latest addition :twothumbsup:
Great looking Cuda
:perfect10:
You guys have me hung up on these red interior cars lately ... so here's another one for you lovers of all things red!! :inlove:
BS23R0B159628 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is a "triple-red" car finished in FE5 Rallye-Red with a matching red Shaker and ... a H6E4 red vinyl interior.
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On the inside this red rocket is equipped with the A62 Rallye Gauge Pkg, C16 Center Console with the Slap Stik shifter, the booming R11 Music Master 2W AM radio ... and of course that H6E4 all red vinyl interior!!
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The ever ubiquitous "Hockey Stick" stripe. Seems that at least two to three times (if not more?) as many Cuda's now sport these stripes today than ever left the factory 50 years ago. I don't blame them ... I personally think that the "Hockey Stick" stripe is one of the best looking graphics to ever be put on a car ... it's iconic!! Speaking of "iconic" ... I think the personalized license plate of "REDHEMI" is pretty cool too!!
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From the fender tag we can see that the Hemi transfers it's might back through a Torqueflite transmission and into a A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg to give it plenty of get up and go!! On the flip-side, after a neck-snapping blast into orbit, the B51 Power Disc Brakes help reign in all that acceleration and bring the mighty Hemi back down to a safe stop.
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Also note on the fender tag that this "triple-red" HemiCuda did not originally come with the ever popular Hockey Stick stripes. Nope. Note that it's actually coded V5W for White Vinyl Moldings!! Now that would definitely look different!!
This all red HemiCuda is owned by Lenny Grimsley of Illinois. Lenny had his HemiCuda in attendance at one of the MCACN show a couple of years ago and had a cool storyboard with the car. I took some pics of it ... but the single pic of the entire board is all but impossible to read. So I took some closer pics of sections of it to make it easier to read. I won't elaborate anymore on it ... as it's all on the storyboard. Enjoy!!
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More red ... but this time only on the outside!! Here we have BS23R1B227275, 1 of about 118 1971 HemiCuda''s ever made. 1 of only 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is finished in FE5 Rallye-Red with V6X black billboard stripes, a V1X black vinyl top and a SRX9 black leather interior.
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This is suppose to be a real V6X Billboard car. However the same can not be said for the A22 Elastomeric Bumper Pkg and A67 Backlight Louver Pkg ... although they look really great on this car. Also note the added Wheel Well Lip Moldings ... they look good but we all know that they shouldn't be on this car.
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On the inside we can see that this car is equipped with the supple black leather seats, the A62 Rallye Gauge Pkg and S77 Power Steering. Also note the rare R36 AM/FM Cassette Radio with Microphone tucked up under the dash. Very unusual to see the Cassette deck mounted directly on the floor and not on a Center Console.
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Under the hood of this car is a nicely detailed engine compartment for King-Kong to reside in. The mighty Hemi is backed up by a 4-speed and the A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Pkg out back.
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Coming or going ... this car looks clean and fresh from just about every angle!!
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This HemiCuda came to my attention when it was offered for sale at the 2016 Mecum Monterey auction. The car bid up to $350K but failed to meet the sellers reserve. Who exactly the seller was I do not know, but I assume that the same person still owns it today??
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Surprisingly the ad for this car at the Mecum Monterey auction is still up and active on Mecum's website. Bang it here if you want to see it and the extra pictures of this car that comes with the ad.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244411/1971-plymouth-hemi-cuda/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-244411/1971-plymouth-hemi-cuda/)
Too bad it was not ordered with the wing louvers & bumpers it makes a perfect combo :twothumbsup:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on March 10, 2020, 08:31:59 PM
Too bad it was not ordered with the wing louvers & bumpers it makes a perfect combo :twothumbsup:
:iagree:
JS23R1B211139 sold in Crane Valley Saskatchewan, don't know much about this car other than it is column shift and radio delete. Talked to a previous owner 22 years ago and was told it had 4:88 gears most of its life.
It received a "makeover" in early eighties to B5 and vinyl roof when it was a daily driver.
Last picture is how it is today living the high life!
Quote from: three two barrels on March 12, 2020, 09:37:20 PM
JS23R1B211139 sold in Crane Valley Saskatchewan, don't know much about this car other than it is column shift and radio delete. Talked to a previous owner 22 years ago and was told it had 4:88 gears most of its life.
It received a "makeover" in early eighties to B5 and vinyl roof when it was a daily driver.
Last picture is how it is today living the high life!
Almost looks GY3..
Was hoping that our "founding father"
@Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1) would have given us an update on his HemiCuda project.
He must be busy ... being a business man, husband, dad and stocking up on supplies like water and toilet paper to ride out the covid-19 crisis.
So this investigative journalist had to do some sleuthing on his own to find out how the HemiCuda project, aka Enzo's future high school car, was coming along ...
This is BS23R0B159482, 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in EV2 Tor-Red with a V1X black vinyl top and a H6X9 black vinyl interior. Interesting that this car does NOT have the Hockey Stick Stripes on it. It's not coded for them ... but that has never stopped anyone from putting them on a car that isn't coded for them. It seems that practically every HemiCuda you see today has the iconic Hockey Stick stripes on them whether they came with them or not. Nice to see one "in the buff" without them.
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Certainly looks like this picture could have been taken at the Mopar Taj-Mahal up in Brush Prairie Washington. Has that wide open spacious storage packed full of cars indicative of the "Taj" ... but it does seem to be missing the drum set surrounded by the Vipers??
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The paint appears to be pretty thick on this Fender Tag, but all of the codes are still clearly visible and readable. We can see that this car is equipped with the A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg, A62 Rallye Gauges Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console and the booming R11 Music Master 2W AM Radio among other things.
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Nicely detailed under-hood. Everything with the engine compartment looks clean and fresh.
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No explantion or comment necessary!!
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And underneath that man-hole sized Shaker lies the twin Carter AFB's. I like this pic ... gives nice detail of the carbs and the progressive linkage.
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Well as it turns out, this "investigative journalist" never made it to Brush Prairie Washington thanks to the covid-19 virus cancelling my flight. So I had to do the next best thing ... use the internet to find an EV2 '70 HemiCuda like Cody's. This particular car was actually in Detroit, the "Motor City" from which it originally came from. It was found on the GR Auto Gallery of Detroit's website. Even though the car has been sold, they still have it up on their website. If you would like to see more of this car, bang it here to their website while you still can https://www.grautogallery.com/vehicles/2534/1970-Plymouth-Hemi-Cuda (https://www.grautogallery.com/vehicles/2534/1970-Plymouth-Hemi-Cuda)
Nice bit of detective work there Tom.
BS27R0B146731 is 1 of only 18 1970 HemiCuda convertibles ever made. 1 of 14 made for the U.S. market and of those, 1 of only 5 with a 4-speed. It is finished in TX9 Black Velvet with an unusual combination of a H6B5 blue interior with a a V3X black convertible top. It is 1 of 5 TX9 Black Velvet HemiCuda convertibles made in 1970.
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From the fender tag we can also see the H6B5 coding for the unusual (with a black exterior) blue interior, the A01 Light Group Package, A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, P37 Power Convertible Top, and R22 AM / 8-Track Radio among other things. The black with the blue interior is different ... just imagine how striking this car would look if the original purchaser chose a red interior instead of the blue??
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Missing it's driveline, covered in dirt, and looking like a total "beater", this HemiCuda convertible had obviously seen better days. Owned by mega-collector Dave Blake, this picture was taken at Dave's facility in Arizona. I don't know if this picture is of how the car looked when it was acquired, or if it is of how it looked after being stored awaiting it's turn at being put back together? Fortunately the car has been put back together as an original paint "survivor" and looks much better than it does here!
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This picture is interesting in that it shows this car with a V3W white convertible top while it is coded for a V3X black convertible top on the fender tag. Owned by mega-collector Dave Blake, this car was 1 of 27 on display as part of the Hemi E-Body convertible invitational at the 2015 MCACN show in Chicago.
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I thought Cody sold his share in that Hemicuda a long time ago ? :thinking:
JS23R0B204244 is 1 of about 307 1970 Hemi Challenger RT's ever made. 1 of only 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. It is finished in FE5 Bright-Red with V6X black side stripes, V21 hood blackout treatment (both added) and a H6XW white vinyl interior.
This is a GREAT picture of the car in front of the now defunct Chrysler Historical Museum (Why? :crying:). Inside of the car is who I assume to be the owner (or former owner?) ... a smiling Annie Soo-Mott!
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The fender tag for this Hemi Challenger RT reveals a number of different things about this car - what it originally came equipped with - and what has been changed on it since new.
From the tag we can see that it is equipped with the A04 Basic Group Pkg (LH sport mirror, power steering and AM radio), A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes and a C16 Center Console among other things.
As far as what's been changed, pictures of the car show that it is Bright-Red, top and bottom, has V6X black side stripes and the V21 hood blackout treatment. However the tag reveals that the car originally had a V1W white vinyl top and a V9W white Bumble Bee Stripe in lieu of the black side stripes and hood treatment.
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Annie Soo-Mott is all smiles and seems to be very friendly and gregarious. Here is a nice picture of Annie with My Classic Car TV host Dennis Gage (Dennis sure knows how to rock a 'stache!).
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Annie is all smiles again but joining her is a somewhat sullen looking Richard Rawlings of Gas Monkey Garage. C'mon Rich ... wouldn't kill you to smile for the picture!
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So, do you know Annie Soo-Mott?
And JS23R0B204245.. In Sweden.
Consecutive numbers and both HEMI's :cool:
Is that a white painted top?
Thanks for posting ... is 204245 yours Nicklas?
Now that you posted the pics ... you HAVE to give us some details.
You wouldn't leave us hanging would you?
And while you're at it ... what's up with that car above the Challenger?
Thanks in advance!
Unless Nicklas changes his mind, it doesn't look like any further enlightenment on 204245 will be forthcoming ... but at least we have a couple of pics!!
RZero: My old Hemi Cuda is on Ebay right now in case you missed it. You probably don't have record of it.
BS23R0B187947 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in EF8 Ivy-Green with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a PRT5 tan leather interior.
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This green and tan beauty is loaded with options that include: the A21 Elastomeric Front Bumper Package, A36 3:55 geared 8.75 Performance Axle Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, C26 Overhead Console, G31/G33 chrome Sport Mirrors and a R35 AM/FM Radio among other things.
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Check out this undercarriage. Everything is clean and detailed ... I don't think they ever looked this good leaving the factory for the first time!!
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Don't see many in this color combination, which is surprising being how nice that PRT5 tan leather interior looks with the Ivy-Green exterior.
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I really like the tan interiors in these cars. Surprises me how they really were not that popular of an option when new ...
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Did I mention how much I REALLY like these tan interiors??
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In 2015 this green and tan beauty was for sale through RK Motors down in Charlotte NC. It's gone now, to a new home, somewhere, for I haven't seen any sightings of it since it was at RK Motors ... is it yours??
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I like the tan interior better than green interior :bigthumb:
Quote from: RzeroB on April 11, 2020, 10:07:37 PM
Thanks for posting ... is 204245 yours Nicklas?
Now that you posted the pics ... you HAVE to give us some details.
You wouldn't leave us hanging would you?
And while you're at it ... what's up with that car above the Challenger?
Thanks in advance!
Hi,
Its a friends car. Sorry i dont have any futher info at this time. The 71 Hemicuda above is the real deal too.
BS23R1B268349--GB5-D32-H6X9
Another swedish car..very early built Hemicuda BS23R1B118809--GB7-D21.. matching# engine & trans found in Finland.
1 of 4 built for International export.. to France BS23R18215686-GB5-D21-H6B5. Guess where it is now.. Yes in Sweden. Being restored back to race-mode.
Question! When a Plymouth E-Body was ordered with premium interior, did it receive the molding in the interior trim panels? If so, BS23R0B187947 Dose not seam to have them present. :takealook:
I have a friend with a 71 Hemicuda, original leather interior with no woodgrain trim in the interior panels.
Because of this he has made it his mission to see if others came that way and has found several examples of the same.
Wonder why that 71 Hemicuda has 70 style single headlights installed and what looks to be a 70 Cuda grill.
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Question! When a Plymouth E-Body was ordered with premium interior, did it receive the molding in the interior trim panels? If so, BS23R0B187947 Dose not seam to have them present. :takealook:
I've watched for this also and talked to Terry about it. From what I've seen the Saddle interiors didn't get the wood grain. Also early 70 didn't have the wood grain. I owned cuda 109056 with black leather and no wood grain. Out of the five 71 cudas with black leather interior I've owned the GK6 (Autumn Bronze Metallic) car was the only one that doesn't have the wood grain inserts.
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I have a friend with a 71 Hemicuda, original leather interior with no woodgrain trim in the interior panels.
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I don't believe your friend HAS that 1971 HEMICUDA.....that's just an Urban Legend ..... :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
I think he's becoming the urban legend not the car
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I think he's becoming the urban legend not the car
:rofl: :drinkingbud:
Quote from: mccannix on April 18, 2020, 07:47:53 AM
I have a friend with a 71 Hemicuda, original leather interior with no woodgrain trim in the interior panels.
Because of this he has made it his mission to see if others came that way and has found several examples of the same.
Wonder why that 71 Hemicuda has 70 style single headlights installed and what looks to be a 70 Cuda grill.
Things broke on racecars..
Happy Hemi Day!!
To celebrate this momentous holiday, we will feature an exceptional car that also happens to be celebrating it's 50th birthday (of scheduled production) this month. Being what it is and having been photographed and featured in multiple forms of media, this car is already a bit of a celebrity. So without further ado, here is today's feature car ... Wade and Aster Ogle's Moulin-Rouge 1970 HemiCuda ... aka the "Pink Elephant".
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BS23R0B292542 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4-sp eed. It is finished in FM3 Moulin-Rouge with a V1W white vinyl top and a PRXW white leather interior. It is one, of only two HemiCuda's, in fact one of only two Hemi E-bodies all together, to be finished in FM3 Moulin-Rouge / Panther-Pink. Here is a great pic of one of the rare times that these two exclusive pink elephants ever got together ... at the Hugh Hefner's Playboy mansion of all places. Greg Joseph's black top car is on the left and Wade's white top car is on the right.
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If you know Wade, you know that he likes cars that contain a unique combination of rarity, originality, options, documentation and history that when combined, makes each car in his collection significant in it's own right. His Moulin-Rouge HemiCuda is no exception. In fact if you asked him, Wade might say that this car could be the exception in his impressive collection ... it has EVERYTHING! Rarity? It's one of only two FM3 HemiCudas. Originality? It is an all matching numbers original paint "survivor. Options? It's loaded. Documentation? It has all it's factory documents. History? It's complete ownership history is known from day one. "The exception?" ... it's a pretty bold statement given some of the equally impressive Mopars that Wade has in his collection!!
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This is a great pic of Wade's pink car. Credit the photographer for composing the picture of the pink car next to ... the pink Oleander shrub. This picture was taken near Wade and Aster's home in the San Francisco bay area ... which is about the only place where you might be able to see this rare pink elephant in person now. Given how highly Wade regards this car, it rarely ventures far from home.
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Check out these original documents that Wade so graciously provided to me to share with you here. From them we can see that this amazing car came from the factory with ... well you can read them for yourself ... it's a LOT of stuff!!
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I won't bother to expand on this cars features and history ... that story is better served by reading the following articles that were featured in the October 1999 issue of Mopar Action and the September 2004 issue of Mopar Collector's Guide respectively.
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Cool stuff , Thanks ! :twothumbsup:
WOW!!!!! :1place: :yes: :banana:
Happy Hemi Day Tom! And Happy Birthday as well! You are definitely the master at wordsmanship, excellent job!
- Wade
Seen it a number of times and everytime it's still... :worship:
Amazing car.
Wade's pink HemiCuda is a hard act to follow ... where do you go from there?? Can't really go up any higher than that pink elephant ... so down we go ... down, down, down to the relatively unknown ... at least to me that is!!
Along this journey I've scoured a lot of different sources trying to find these rare beasts, record them and organize them in a way so that I can present them to you here. Like a paleontologist searching for dinosaur bones, sometimes I get lucky and find a complete "specimen" complete with VIN, fender tag and broadcast sheet documents ... and other times all I find is a fragment. These "fragments" are just as vital as a complete "specimen" because they give a clue that a particular Hemi car DID exist at some point. Whether that car is still around or not I don't know ... but like Neil Young mining for his heart of gold, I keep searching hoping that another clue might surface and provide another piece of the puzzle.
So here are some clues that I have discovered over the years. Most all of these are singular, in that these are the only things that I have found pertaining to the car that the clue pertains to. There has to be more clues out there ... but like the paleontologist digging for dinosaur bones ... I just haven't uncovered them yet. However, maybe YOU have found some clues? If you have ... and want to share ... post up what you have and we'll see if we can piece some of these puzzles together and see what they actually look like.
70440+6bbl on Moparts posted this for a broadcast sheet he found for BS23R0B146459. Sounds like a nice car in a rather unusual color combo. Anyone have any more clues on this one?
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Dan, aka "mopar4ya" on Moparts posted this looking for broadcast sheets for his cars ... and he has some nice ones! An FJ5 440-6 Cuda, an FM3 340 Cuda and an EV2 HemiCuda BS23R0B159424 formerly owned by ... Mr Surf Savage!! Now that's a name!!
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Here is a fender tag to BS23R0B159479, that to me has a rather unusual color combo ... or lack there of! It's all white ... EW1 outside with a white interior. I found this picture doing a google search, but the little camera icon in the corner of the picture tells me that it was on ebay at one time. This is all I have of this one, but I have "heard" that Mauro Brocca was involved with this car in some capacity??
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Here's one from the Factory 426 Hemi Cars facebook page. This engine was for sale and per Rick Simpson's comment, it apparently belonged to BS23R0B159453?? This is a relatively recent post ... anyone know this HemiCuda??
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Another facebook post from the Factory 426 Hemi Cars page. Scott Jay Smith apparently had this engine to BS23R0B187955 and tried for three years to find the car it belonged to but never could find it. If Scott couldn't find it ... well I doubt that it still is around ... but maybe it is?? Maybe YOU know something about this car??
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And in Moparts was this old post for BS23R0B187955's assembly line sibling BS23R0B187956. Sequential VIN HemiCuda engines but both of their bodies are apparently missing in action ... what are the odds??
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Talk about long odds, check this one out. Apparently BS23R0B187962 was stolen in 1970 only 24 days after the original owner bought it and has never been seen again. Is it still out there?? Probably not ... but the engine and trans might be??
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Here's one that might be easier to find. Found this broadcast sheet for BS23R0B192902 ... but that's all that I found for it. From the broadcast sheet we can see that this HemiCuda is finished in FC7 In Violet with a V1W white vinyl top and a PRXW white leather interior. It equipped with the A01 Light Group Pkg, A21 Elastomeric Front Bumper Pkg, A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Pkg and the A62 Rallye Gauges Pkg. It also has B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, R22 AM/8-Track Radio, S77 Power Steering and a S83 Rim Blow Steering Wheel among other things ... this is a nicely equipped car!! Now if only we could see it ... anyone??
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Here is a fender tag to BS23R0B159479, that to me has a rather unusual color combo ... or lack there of! It's all white ... EW1 outside with a white interior. I found this picture doing a google search, but the little camera icon in the corner of the picture tells me that it was on ebay at one time. This is all I have of this one, but I have "heard" that Mauro Brocca was involved with this car in some capacity??
I saw this car in ~2005 in a body shop in Van Nuys, CA - from memory it was in primer & had '70 style rear wheel flares on it
IIRC it went northeast to CANADA ~2010 & Shawn MacLean had something to do with it & was looking for info, as the deal went sideways to some extent http://www.macleanclassics.com/
not sure where I got these pics of it - I believe there was a Moparts.com thread about it about a decade ago :dunno:
Going back to the FM3 Hemi Cuda's I have a question? Back in 1995 or 1996 I visited Ray Dupuis in Ottawa Canada. Ray is a big Hemicar collector in Canada and at the time owned at least seven original Hemi cars. Also present were 3 or 4 of Ray's Ottawa and Quebec buddies which at the time also owned original Hemi cars. One of these guys I forget his name stated that a few years earlier he sold his FM3 1970 Hemi Cuda to a US collector which if memory serves me correctly was Otis Chandler. Has anyone else heard this story? Is it one of these two cars??
Can't imagine a deal with Shawn MacLean going sideways ... :haha: :haha: :haha: surprised to see his website up and running...he went out of business a few years ago....
John Smith from Orleans, Ontario owned and restored that FM3 Hemicuda with a little help from friends.
Greg Joseph who was with Otis Chandler at the time, put the deal together for Johns FM3 Hemicuda, Rene Deslisles 70 Hemi Challenger convertible and Gerry LeFevre's 70 Hemi Coronet convertible for the museum.
I believe Greg Joseph owns the FM3 Hemicuda today.
Terry always has the goods :worship:
Yes he does! :bigthumb:
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@mccannix (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mccannix_432) Thanks Terry! So there was at least three FM3 1970 HEMI Cuda's? Or is Greg's car one of the A/M two cars?
Only two
known ... Greg's automatic black topped car, and Wade's 4-speed white topped car. If there was a genuine third one I think it would have definitely surfaced by now.
There was a "third" car ... an automatic car BS23R0B296096 ... it was pink for years and a regular show winner ... but it was originally a EW1 white car and has since been returned to it's original color.
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Quote from: RzeroB on May 06, 2020, 09:21:39 PM
Here is a fender tag to BS23R0B159479, that to me has a rather unusual color combo ... or lack there of! It's all white ... EW1 outside with a white interior. I found this picture doing a google search, but the little camera icon in the corner of the picture tells me that it was on ebay at one time. This is all I have of this one, but I have "heard" that Mauro Brocca was involved with this car in some capacity??
I saw this car in ~2005 in a body shop in Van Nuys, CA - from memory it was in primer & had '70 style rear wheel flares on it
IIRC it went northeast to CANADA ~2010 & Shawn MacLean had something to do with it & was looking for info, as the deal went sideways to some extent http://www.macleanclassics.com/
not sure where I got these pics of it - I believe there was a Moparts.com thread about it about a decade ago :dunno:
Glad to see the car made the list :twothumbsup:
Yes this car was involved in a sideways deal that Shawn was involved with. I was able to work with Shawn and get this car and parts reunited for the owner The car is doing well and being restored back to the fender tag. Which thanks to everyone that had saved the picture from eBay. The car still has it numbers matching ED Pink built hemi. Very pumped to see the car back to white on white.
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I was fortunate enough to own a very nice original 1971 Hemicuda for close to 8 years from the mid 80's until 1994 when it went to the next owner.
A short novel of how of how the story goes follows :
I used to frequently travel the 10 minute drive from Ontario to NY state on my days off from work, as my job enabled me to have days off during the week.
Upstate NY had always been a hotbed for musclecars, good yards, and old dealerships with good leftover stockroom parts.
I stopped one day in 1984 at a good yard in Felts Mills, NY that I used to go to a lot.
Donny, the owners son, told me he had been out with the wrecker a few weeks back and saw a yellow Barracuda behind a shop about an hour drive away in Massena NY area.
I headed on down the highway and got to this place about 1 1/2 hour later, got out
to go to the shop when this Cuda with the big Hemi billboard caught my eye at the side of the building sitting in tall grass.
I didn't want to be nosey but my body kinda gravitated toward that car.
A guy stepped out the side door and hollered that that the car was not for sale.
I apologized, and he spoke briefly about the Hemicuda and asked me what I wanted.
This guy Alex, was the spitting image of Buddy Holly, especially the thick dark rimmed glasses and black hair.
I mentioned I was told about the car down back...he said it was an AAR parts car and I could take a look.
That is a story in itself about how Alex and I got off to a 'not so good start'.
Back at the shop Alex told me how he had bought the Hemicuda basically new with under 3000 miles on it in 1972 at the Chrysler dealership in Malone NY, one town over.
I asked if he left that car in the long grass all the time and he stated he just had it parked outside that day as he was installing a new front end alignment machine, and that it was always stored inside.
He told me that a young man in 1971 had checked off nearly 3/4 of the possible options ordering this Hemicuda and trading in his 6 cylinder Duster on it.
About a month of ownership, this mans wife gave him the ultimatum to either go and get that Duster back or she and their 2 year would leave him since that car with all that power was not a practical family car.
Luckily the dealership still had the Duster and the trade back took place, costing the young man dearly.
Then the Hemicuda sat, and sat, eventually going to the rear of the lot for the winter of 1971 to make room for the now 1972 models.
A few of the salesmen occasionally drove the car the following spring but it eventually wound up not running well.
The mechanics there were not good at tuning the car, so someone suggested they call Alex in Massena, knowing he played around with multiple carburated corvettes.
Alex told me he stopped a few days later , took the Hemicuda for a drive out on the freeway and basically cleaned it out which is all it really needed.
He was so impressed with its performance, having never been in a hemicar, that he asked them what they wanted for it, and he bought it on the spot.
Alex also owned a green 67 427 tri-power vette that was parked in the rear of his shop with minor front end damage that he showed me that day,...so he knew performance cars.
He also allowed me to have a good look at the Cuda.
I spent a bit of time in the back seat pulling it ahead a bit just enough to see a broadcast sheet.
I also felt one behind the glove box.
He said he had the 'price sheet stickers' from the glove box that had been on the door glass, in his office somewhere.
Engine appeared to be untouched, three fender tags present.
One thing that I noticed was the valve covers showed no trace of ever having had wrinkle finish black paint, were smooth black paint, and he said that is how they were since he had owned it.
Front bumper was a 70 style but I had heard that some 71's came with a 70 bumper.
I asked him if it was original, and he said no, he put a split in the original one and threw it out !!!!
Since he had one on that yellow AAR down back, he sprayed it orange and installed it.
Also installed were a brown valance and a brown header panel, one roadlamp was missing and drivers fender had some good scratches that looked like could have been caused by tree branches.
He said all that happened when he "put it in the rhubbard once" and he replaced the valance , header with some used pieces he got..
The rest of the car was as new, no rust, clean straight , and interior was immaculate as was undercarriage, all original drivetrain and trunk area.
One good crack in the grill.
Odometer had just rolled up 32,000 and everything was stock, never hot rodded.
He said lots of locals were interested in the car, so to just put my name in his address book.
I dont know what possessed me but I'm glad I did, as I wrote in big block letters on the inside cover "CALL ME FIRST " with my name and phone number.
I made the 2.5 hour trip to visit Alex about 3 or 4 times a year and we became good friends...he had amazing stories about that car and others in the area.
When I would ask him about the Hemicuda, he always swayed me away from it, instead sending me to an original family owned rusty 440 Superbird 10 miles away, and to an
original dealership still owned Hemi Daytona in Potsdam NY ,a few towns away...neither were for sale at the time.
Several years later after making a good friend and board member here aware of that car,
he was instrumental in brokering the Hemi Daytona car sale.
I got a call in June of 1986 and Alex said he had business venture opportunity and he was selling either the 427 Vette or the Hemicuda and it was going to happen fast.
I called in sick the next day so nervously drove over to Massena, went for a couple rides in the Hemicuda and was hooked.
That was a Friday and I had until the next Thursday to either show up with the money or he was going to the address book and start making calls.
I had some sleepless nights but got the money together, called him Tuesday and told him I would be there Thursday morning with the cash.
He had agreed to drive the car the 2.5 hours to my place in Canada and I would drive him back home.
Easier to do the Customs declaration with the seller right there.
How that went and the trip home to Canada is another story in itself.
First picture here is the car as it was when arriving home.
Next picture is a few days later after a good cleaning and installing original NOS Goodyear F-60's I had. ( no repros back then ).
That is all original paint, billboard!
Chapter two...I'll try to be shorter
So with the car sitting in my garage, I started making a list of what I needed for the car, which was not much.
I replaced the header panel with a mint used one I had.
I had an NOS front valance and NOS lenses, also a flawless 71 Cuda grill, and I had extra roadlamps around, so rounded one up.
The only thing I didn't have was a front 71 rubber bumper.
At Carlisle that July, I came up empty.
But lucked out at the Mopar Nats in August that year and bought a super nice original red paint one from Crazy Matt in the back row for $750.00.
Pricey in 1986 but I had to have one.
I had a very good friend and top drawer painter paint and blend the drivers fender, do the header, valance, grill and hood and buff the rest of the paint to near perfection.
Sitting in garage after back from shop.
Trunk picture is interesting seeing jack hook on mechanism,...Alex says jack was never removed from trunk when he owned it...black tape on gas tank wire is a factory install.
Picture taken by Muslecars magazine in 1991 with a little blurp after I had driven it to Syracuse NY to a National Hemi Owners meet that year.
Ad in Hemmings Motor News that I ran.
This ad ran for two months without a single response !
Walt Downer had ran his Hemmings ad for the same price for two months as well.
His car was a twin to mine, same mileage but 4 speed and no billboard, no bumpers and had a luggage rack.
I eventually got two different potential buyers who flew to Toronto and drove here to look at he car.
As the first guy was dragging his heels, the car sold in minutes to the next in line
as the car spoke for itself.
The car sits now in Kevin Suydams collection and can be seen on his website with others.
Kevin had Roger Gibson do the restoration which was very easy according to Frank.
The car had numerous markings, paint daubs on its flawless undercarriage which were well documented and videoed.
Also show is New car record which went with car, as well as the three pristine broadcast sheets.
I am happy Kevin gave it a good home and I did thoroughly enjoy it and did drive it a lot during my ownership.
What did you pay for the car in 1986 ?
Alan..really..what is your guess ?
he wanted $7000.00 for the Vette but more for the Hemicuda
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Alan..really..what is your guess ?
he wanted $7000.00 for the Vette but more for the Hemicuda
I want to say $10K ? I still remember that day I first met you and saw your humble little garage of cars at that time :worship: what dreams are made of
I think you sold it for more, if I remember correctly :thinking: any regrets selling it when you did ?
I'm angry with myself I didn't buy that car. I was wasting time on my 70 HemiCuda at that time. I didn't yet have the concept that it was much better value to buy a good car than fix a junker.
I didn't realize Kevin Suydam had your old car. I met Kevin in 2015 when I restored a 71 V code Cuda for him, GREAT guy...super nice...reminds me of Paul Newman :D I wonder if he still has your old car ?
I paid twice the asking price of the Vette....the car sold for the price in the ad in US $.
Anyone who ever sells a high end car always get asked that 'regret' question....
......for me none whatsoever.
I had my time with it...someone elses time to enjoy it.
Part of the reason is I already had three cars and increased the fleet to 6 with proceeds of that sale.
Cars all around in those days...cant keep them all.
And yes Kevin still has the car.
He really likes it and it is so well documented
...I spoke with him less two weeks ago.
So you remember those ads from those days as well Sheldon. :drinkingbud:
....I'm going to say it again....I love all these old stories ...Thanks RzeroB for starting a thread like this :bigthumb: ... and Terry :worship:
Thanks for posting Terry!! What a great story ... and contribution to the thread!! :bravo:
Member contributions like this are better than anything I could come up with by myself. I hope other members who enjoy (past or present tense) owning one of these supreme machines will be inspired by your story and follow your lead in telling their own story. Once again, well done Terry!!
Cool memories Mccannix :bigthumb:
Wade
My mistake, yes it did come with rubber bumpers, but he added the billboard.
I have some old grainy pictures of that car, his Canadian Hemi Challenger convert and the Juliano sunroof Challenger when Walt owned them all.
He also had the other Hemi Challenger convert that was painted red at the time...will have to dig those up.
Will look for the ad of his car as well but when looking for my old ad, could not find his.
Love these great posts! :ohyeah:
Here's a couple bad pictures I took of some of Walt Downers cars on one of my trips there,.. these about 1992.
The 71 Hemicuda, added billboards and I believe was originally a 450 wheel car that he changed to rallyes.
JS27R0B171594, purchased from original owner Canadian owner Peter Wenham, restored by Randal Gay,... Walt detailing suspension back at his place.
The sunroof 71 Hemi Challenger.
JS27R0B171916 in red, before being restored back to FC7 by next owner.
A ride in one of two factory SS Darts he owned !
He also owned an unrestored black 68 Hemi GTX convertible 4 spd, and at least one 440-6 Cuda convertible.
Walt owned all these cars at the same time, had the largest collection of NOS E-body parts of anyone in the hobby, but has been completely out of the game now for about 15 years.
Awesome pics, thanks Terry!!!
- Wade
Yup: Great stuff Terry!
I thought Terry's story might have inspired other "elephant" owners, past or present, to share their story with us ...
Maybe they just need a little more time to consider it ...
In the meantime, since tomorrow is the American Memorial Day holiday, our next featured car has a bit of a military history to it ...
JS23R0B311180 is 1 of about 308 1970 Hemi Challenger RT's ever made. 1 of only 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. It is finished in EF8 Dark-Green with a V9X black Bumblebee stripe and the H5X9 black and white cloth and vinyl interior.
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This Hemi Challenger RT is very well equipped with a lot of great options! From the fender tag we can see that it is equipped with the A32 Super-Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G31/G33 chrome Sport Mirrors, N96 Shaker Hood and the R22 AM/8-Track Radio among other nice things.
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Did I mention how this Hemi Challenger has the beautiful H5X9 black and white cloth and vinyl interior?? This combination looks fantastic and is perhaps my favorite Challenger interior!! However it must not have been very popular with the new car buying crowd for the 1970 model year because you just don't see many cars with this great interior in them.
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That "man-hole" sized opening in the hood means only one thing ... a Shaker hood!! The Shaker Hood was only available on Challengers very early in the model year before being pulled for design changes over safety concerns. The Shaker Hood was redesigned and reintroduced to the Challenger line in April. This car was scheduled for production on April 17th ... the same day that the Shaker hood was reportedly made available to the Challenger again. As such, this car was one of the first to receive the new redesigned Shaker Hood.
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King Kong hisself is very large brute ... but the Shaker sitting on top of the beast dominates the engine compartment on this Hemi Challenger RT
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I actually was able to see this beast in person once. On a 2012 visit to Gatlinburg Tennessee, I ventured over to a little place called Floyd Garrett's Muscle Car Museum and it was there.
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Gatlinburg Tennessee isn't all that far from where this car was first sold new. This car is a "Y14 sold car" that was ordered by Robert Ross through Royal Dodge in Fayetteville North Carolina. Robert was a U.S. Army soldier stationed at nearby Fort Bragg. I don't know if being in the Army with everything being some shade of green had anything to do with Robert's selection of a color ... maybe ... maybe not ... because if it did then the interior probably would have been green too!!
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Thank you Robert for your service ... and to all of the other veterans who also served ... all gave some ... some gave it all.
:twothumbsup:Great story
Just love that hemi challenger every nut and bolt :bigthumb: :australia:
Black cars matter ... so here's four of them ... one of each model and year ...
1971 Hemi Challenger RT:
JS23R1B353673 is 1 of about 76 1971 Hemi Challenger R/T's ever made. 1 of about 70 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 58 with a 4-speed. It is finished in TX9 Black with V6W white side stripes and a H6X9 black interior.
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Clean and functional interior looks great ... and inviting! Of all the E-body vinyl interiors I probably like the one for the '71 Challenger the best.
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Note the gray Shaker dome. I read somewhere that there was a Chrysler production memo which stated that black cars shouldn't have black Shakers because it was too much black and not enough contrast.
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Not adorned with a bunch of flashy options and accessories, this Hemi Challenger appears to have been born of a very simple purpose ... to go fast.
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1971 HemiCuda:
BS23R1B405092 is 1 of about 118 1971 HemiCuda''s ever made. 1 of about 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is finished in TX9 Black-Formal with a H6XW white vinyl interior.
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This HemiCuda is modestly equipped with the A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, C16 Center Console, G15 Tinted Windshield, G33 chrome LH Sport Mirror, L34 Road Lamps and a R11 AM Radio among other things.
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Not a lot of "flash" to this HemiCuda making it capable of blending into the evening and devouring any unsuspecting Camaro or Mustang that would dare to take it on.
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Interesting post auction report for this car showing the ebb and flow of the market. To think, back in 2000 you could have bought this car at auction for only $58,300 complete with it's "obnoxious Hemi billboards" installed.
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1970 Hemi Challenger RT:
JS23R0B204184 is 1 of about 307 1970 Hemi Challenger RT's ever made. 1 of about 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 150 with an automatic. It is finished in TX9 Bl;ack (should have V6W white side stripes) with a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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This Hemi Challenger RT doesn't have a whole lot of options, but it does have the A32 Super Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Pkg to make it go, the B51 Power Disc Brakes to make it stop, and the booming R11 MusicMaster AM Radio to liisten to while you're doing both. Also note the lack of a C16 code indicates that this car was originally equipped with a column shift for the automatic. It still surprises me just how many of these Hemi E-bodies originally came equipped with the column shift for the automatic.
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Looks like a number of drag race orientated modifications under the hood - high-rise intake, electric water pump and motor plate among other things - definitely looks ready to make some horsepower!
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With the Hoosier drag radials mounted on the back and the engine mods under the hood, this Hemi Challenger RT definitely looks ready to run!
I lost the reference for where I found the pics of this car, but from the look of the tags in the window it appears to be from some auction. This might of been from the 2015 Mecum Spring Indy auction?
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1970 HemiCuda:
This one might be my favorite of the four ...
BS23R0B317914 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of about 284 with a 4-speed. It is finished in TX9 Black-Velvet with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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The original owner of this HemiCuda might have ordered the car to be a dedicated drag racer as it is pretty spartan, and minimally equipped - like a drag car would be. With the exception of the "Tuff Wheel", this is the base black vinyl interior for a "Cuda - no Rallye Gauges, no Center Console, not even a radio - it's about as basic as they came.
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Adding to it's stealthy all black exterior is a shiny black Shaker (other than the standard Argent Silver). Under that cool black Shaker sits a Ray Barton built monster that makes this HemiCuda live up to it's menacing all black appearance.
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Void of almost all shiny trim and extraneous options, this HemiCuda is very understated, yet very menacing looking all in black. In fact the entire car is pretty basic, yet very purpose built, with the Hemi, 4-speed, and A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Package, and "ghost" V6X Hemi "Hockey Stick" stripes as it's only options.
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:twothumbsup:
Cool STuff , Thanks for the research on these cars !
Yes! :thankyou:
This is my favorite post of the whole forum!
And some white cars ...
Here's a couple of pics provided by Stephen Ross of a white '70 HemiCuda from a regional NHOA meet back in the day. At the time, this car belonged to one of the original NHOA members, Mr Boone Reichhardt.
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I've never met Boone, and I don't think that I have ever encountered his former car either. What you see in these two pics is about the extent of what I know about it ... I couldn't even tell you if it was an automatic or a 4-speed!! However, according to Joe "Hemi" Sica, the VIN of this car is reportedly BS23R0B223736. With that said, if you have anything else to contribute about Boone and his white HemiCuda, please feel free to contribute!!
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How about a white Hemi Challenger RT to along with the aforementioned white HemiCuda?? To my surprise, apparently I do not have any white Hemi Challenger RT's ... neither '70 nor '71!! There has to be some ... afterall, Kowalski had one ... I guess that I just haven't found them yet.
But I do have a white Hemi Challenger RT/SE!!
This is JS29R0B291202. It is 1 of about 59 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 37 with an automatic. It is finished in EW1 White with a V1W white vinyl top and a H5K4 black and burnt-orange cloth and vinyl interior. The V5X black vinyl side moldings and V21 Performance Hood Black-out Treatment must of been added as they are not on the fender tag.
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As mentioned, this car is an automatic, but it doesn't have a C16 Center Console, so you know what that means ... column-shift automatic. Still surprises me how many of these cars came with the column-shift automatic. Anyway, this Hemi RT/SE also came with the A04 Basic Group Pkg but surprisingly it doesn't have an axle package which leaves it with the standard 3:23 cogs in an 8.75" axle. On the plus side it is coded for B51 Power Disc Brakes, the SE C26 Overhead Console, a M91 Luggage Rack, P31 Power Windows and the R35 AM/FM Radio among other things. Overall it's a bit of an odd, eclectic combination seemingly made more for power cruising longer distances down the highway than for being a bruising boulevard basher. I don't know about you, but I think Kowalski would have been a lot more comfortable ripping from Colorado to California in this highway star!!
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Did I mention how this car is a bit of a world traveler?? Born in Detroit, but currently in Sweden with a stop in England for a few years in between!! I imagine these two pics of the car were taken somewhere in Sweden ... maybe even at their world famous "Power Big Meet" that happens every summer around the beginning of July. Never been to the Power Big Meet but I sure would like to go some day ... how about you??
Both cool cars , nothing to add on the Cuda , Sorry
Not sure if this 70 Hemicuda has been shown before? A car with a nice combo..
REGISTER\R0B179138--FC7-D21-H6X9-A21-A34-A62
:takealook: here's BS23R0B179138 about 25 years ago at a car show at the Twinsburg Ohio Chrysler Stamping Plant :burnout:
:thinking: ............ wonder if those are the same BFGs?
another :looney:
One fish, two fish ... red fish, blue fish.
Sounds like Dr Zeus ... but actually it's a pair of Hemi powered "fish"
First the "red fish" ...
BS23R0B219265 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in FE5 Rallye-Red with a V1X black vinyl top, V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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In the ebay ad for this car all the pictures were crystal clear - except of course for this one - go figure. Although it is blurry and out of focus it can still be read. From it we can see that this HemiCuda came nicely equipped with the A01: Light Group Package, A32 Super-Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye-Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G36 painted Sport Mirrors. N95 California Emissions and the N97 Noise Reduction Package among other things.
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This car is super-clean - just look at how that Rallye-Red paint shines! Love the license plate on this one too - "1 of 368" (automatic HemiCudas).
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Ebay ad from August 2016. Funny but the ad had a very low starting bid and not a higher one more in line with a true HemiCuda. I contacted the owner and he said he was looking for $145,000 - which given the value of these cars, seemed like a pretty fair price for a stunning original HemiCuda.
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and then the "blue fish" ...
BS23R0B159583 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in EB5 True-Blue with a V1X black vinyl top, V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a H6B5 blue vinyl interior.
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From this original looking fender tag we can tell that his HemiCuda originally came equipped with the A36 Performance 3:55 geared 8.75" Axle Package; A62 Rallye Gauge Package; B51 Power Disc Brakes; C16 Center Console and R11 AM Radio among other things.
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Nice closeup showing the various design details of the front end of this HemiCuda. Note the "chin" spoilers visible below the front bumper.
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Nice looking car from any angle ...
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One fish, two fish ... red fish, blue fish ... whatever you choose ... you can't lose!!
#5 of 5 1971 Hemi Challengers sold in Canada, unfortunately I know nothing else about this car.
This 71 Hemi Challenger has been with the same owner for about 40 years now.
Factory FC7 Hemi 4 speed, shaker, louver, wing car...unrestored at present
Quote from: mccannix on July 01, 2020, 11:34:19 AM
This 71 Hemi Challenger has been with the same owner for about 40 years now.
Factory FC7 Hemi 4 speed, shaker, louver, wing car...unrestored at present
Ahhhh see I thought so....I wasn't going to say anything, but I was hoping you would chime in though Terry :twothumbsup:
....and his cars will never get restored.....or likely even driven again :haha:
I've been slacking in posting to this thread lately. I've been in the midst of a major landscaping project ... but that's no excuse!
Here's a red, white and blue trifecta for you ...
The Red:
BS23R0B146662 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in FE5 Rallye-Red with color matching red Elastomeric bumpers, red Shaker and a H6E4 red vinyl interior. A whole lot of red with this one ... if red is your thing ... this car is for you!!
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Even the Fender Tag is brilliant! This bright HemiCuda is equipped with the A22 Elastomeric Bumpers Package, A32 Super-Performance 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, C16 Center Console and a G36 painted Sport Mirrors among other things.
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If you haven't recognized it yet ... maybe this picture and the background will help?? This is Dave Kriebel's car ... Dave and his red HemiCuda are pretty much regular attenders at the annual Carlisle show and this year was no different.
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Dave's beautiful HemiCuda was selected to participate as the 'Cuda representative in the much touted 1970 Rapid Transit display held at this year's Carlisle show. Quite an honor I think ... and one well deserved for Dave and his bright red HemiCuda!!
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And it was even sporting one of those groovy Plymouth ties from 1970!! Thanks to Ola Nilsson for taking and sharing the last two pictures of Dave's car participating in the Rapid Transit System display!!
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The White:
BS23R1B187117 is 1 of about 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is finished in GW3 Sno-White with V6X black "billboard" stripes and a SRX9 black leather interior.
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The fender tag tells us that this HemiCuda came equipped from the factory with the A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, C16 Center Console, G36 painted Sport Mirrors and R35 AM/FM radio among other things. The fender tag also shows us that this car did not come factory equipped with the V6X black "billboard" stripes and the A45 Aero Spoiler Package (front spoilers and rear Go-Wing) however those added features sure make the car look great!
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This beautiful Sno-White HemiCuda is currently part of Tom Lembeck's collection. From what I understand this car is available ... for the right price of course. Tom, being a commodities trader, is always ready to negotiate ... and if you have the "cheddar" and "hit" his number this beautiful HemiCuda can be yours!!
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and the Blue:
JS23R1B375721 is 1 of about 71 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is finished in GB5 Bright Blue with V6X black side stripes and a H6X9 black interior.
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This is probably the most sparse fender tag I have seen for a Hemi E-body. Besides the E74 Hemi and D21 4-speed, the only other extra cost options are the A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Pkg (which either the A33 or A34 are required with the 4-speed), R11 AM Radio and the V6X black side stripes ... and that's it! Hemi E-body on the cheap ... sort of!
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Being a very low optioned Hemi Challenger, one of it's former owners (noted Mopar man Anatol Vasiliev) decided that it needed some "upgrades" to improve upon the basic features that this car originally came with. Here we can obviously see the Shaker that was added, but also note the power steering and brakes that were added.
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Cool rear-end shot. On the outside Anatol added additional "upgrades" that include front and rear spoilers, rear window louvers and even a black vinyl top!
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A set of hood pins, painted sport mirrors and Rallye wheels complete the "upgrades" transforming this most basic of Hemi Challenger RT's into a well "optioned" nice looking beauty of a Hemi Challenger RT!
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Thanks Tom
The white Cuda is deadly :bradsthumb:
Quote from: RzeroB on July 15, 2020, 07:51:26 PM
This is probably the most sparse fender tag I have seen for a Hemi E-body. Besides the E74 Hemi and D21 4-speed, the only other extra cost options are the A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana Axle Pkg (which either the A33 or A34 are required with the 4-speed), R11 AM Radio and the V6X black side stripes ... and that's it! Hemi E-body on the cheap ... sort of!
8) ..... FYI - V6X was STANDARD on a Challenger R/T (OPTIONAL ON 'cuda)
but at a minimum it has just north of $1,200 worth of OPTIONS (E74, D21, A33, R11 & W34) :bigmoney:
Swedish car since the 70s.
Beautiful !
Quote from: 71REDCUDA on July 26, 2020, 02:49:08 AM
Swedish car since the 70s.
Thanks for posting that up Nicklas!!
What is that ... 227 ... 0 .. 5 .. 9???
Any more pics?? Current owner?? Back-story??
Thanks again!!
Thats correct. 227059. I cant share much info. Car was recently restored. Bought from up north in Sweden. Been here since the 70s.
Nicklas' (71REDCUDA) latest post got me thinking about some things. I've accumulated a lot of data since we started this little project and as expected the vast majority of the Hemi cars are here in the U.S. :unitedstates: or "next door" in Canada :canada: Over time, a surprising number of these cars have "migrated" overseas to places like Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Columbia, South Africa, England, France, Germany, Norway and Finland among other places. However, there is one country that seems to be a more popular destination for these cars than any other. In fact, this one country seems to have accumulated more of these cars than all of the aforementioned countries ... combined!! That country is Sweden. :sweden:
What is it about Sweden that so many Hemi E-bodies have migrated there from North America?? Unfortunately I've never been there so I don't know. Could it be the sweet sound of ABBA playing on a vintage R22 AM/8-Track??
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Attending the huge Power Big Meet American car show every summer??
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Or perhaps it could it be the attraction of the Swedish bikini team?? All pretty strong motivation if you asked me!! :yes:
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Whatever it is, an inordinate amount of Hemi E-bodies reside there. Here's a random sampling of some of them that have migrated there ... and to my knowledge still reside there. If any of our Swedish friends like
@71REDCUDA (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/71redcuda_426) would like to chime in with a few tasty tidbits of additional info that would make this post even better!!
A 1970 RT?? They have it. JS23R0B289786 is 1 of about 287 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 137 with a 4-speed. It is finished in FE5 Bright Red with a V1X black vinyl top, V6X black longitudinal stripes and the V21 Performance Hood blackout treatment.
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I found this car on the now defunct "mopar70.com" which was a Swedish Mopar website ran by a guy named "Roland." Per the website, this car was exported to Sweden way back in 1976 and is still there today. Here it is in the company of some other cool looking Mopars ... all in Sweden of course!!
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A 1970 RT/SE?? They have it!! JS29R0B182640 is 1 of about 59 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 37 with an automatic. It is finished in EV2 Hemi Orange with V6X black longitudinal stripes, a V1X black vinyl top and what looks like a HRX9 black leather interior. I also found this car on the now defunct "mopar70.com" website. Per the website, this car was able to hold off the pull of Sweden until 2005 before it could no longer resist the inexorable force and made the trek.
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A 1971 HemiCuda?? They have it!! This is reportedly BS23R1B268349. It is 1 of about 107 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4 speed. It is finished in GB5 True Blue with white billboard stripes, fender flares and a black interior. Looks like it's been set up to thrash the local drag strip ... in Sweden of course!!
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And one of my favorites ... another 1971 HemiCuda that was originally GY8 Gold Leaf but now (or then??) sports a cool Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon paint scheme. :twothumbsup:
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It too is 1 of about 107 made for the U.S. market, and also 1 of 59 with a 4 speed. Per Ole Kristian Bohler's facebook post the car migrated not to Sweden, but to Norway way back in 1978. There it stayed until 2003 when the call of Norway's neighbor ... Sweden became too strong of a motivating force and it finally left to complete it's inevitable migration to the land of Blue and Gold.
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We sure do..
Thank you Nicklas!! Can you ad a little context to what we are looking at with your latest photographic contribution?? Thanks!! :twothumbsup:
Quote from: RzeroB on August 14, 2020, 07:41:22 PM
Thank you Nicklas!! Can you ad a little context to what we are looking at with your latest photographic contribution?? Thanks!! :twothumbsup:
I can, both cars are really special because they are real R code cars in :sweden:
But the GB7 car in the front is something extra (the white car in the 80s pic is the same car) original drivetrain was found in Finland a few years ago. Car was there for a while but when the car was sold back to Sweden the drivetrain stayed in Finland.. but a few years back the engine was found and later the transmission.. a 4speed... also we have gone thru all 4 BS23R1B cars for international export.. well this is the 5th unknown car. And there even might be 6th car hidding.
I have to chime in here because I am way confused. Are you all sure that the numbers of the blue swedish Cudas are correct? My personal notes say the following:
The racer with the white or silver billboard is BS23R1B309146.
I have personnally seen BS23R1B268349 in 2002. It was restored in its correct GB5 and had a tranny change. Back then it had a D21 but is coded for D32. The car is the one with the license plate JLX089. It can be recognized by the colored mirrors (coded for G36). Back in 2002 it had a J81 spoiler which seemed to be added. So my guess is that it is the one in the background of the two car pic that Nicklas posted.
The one in the foreground should be another one, maybe 118809 ?! That would be the one with the engine/trans found in Finland.
Nicklas, can you confirm or deny?
I can confirm that. Also, BS23R1B309146 is a matching#> car now. Original trans found in Denmark.
Thanks!
A lot of Hemi Challenger excitement recently down in Arizona with the late Mark Spear's '71 Hemi Challenger RT surfacing with the help of Randy Carlson and his "Carchaeology" YouTube channel. Be interesting to see how it turns out when it surfaces again. It may be presumptuous of me, but I imagine it will be all restored, polished and shiny ... like a brand new penny!! It will be a great looking car ... especially with that bright M28 Grill Surround Molding gleaming in the sun (yeah, I got a thing for that molding option)!!
We all know that Hemi E-Bodies are relatively rare beasts. Of all the Hemi E-Bodies, probably none are more rare than the '71 Hemi Challengers (except for the Hemi E-Body convertibles of course) with only about 77 total made. Of those 77, there is only one that I know of that rolled out of Hamtramck wearing one of the brightest High Impact colors ever devised by Chrysler ... GY3 Citron-Yella. That car is none other than JS23R1B350712 and is currently owned by a very lucky Canadian named Kevin Kuypers
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JS23R1B350712 is one of about 71 1971 Hemi Challenger R/T's made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 59 with a 4-speed. It is finished in the bright "day-glow" GY3 Citron-Yella perfectly accented by V6X black side stripes and a V1X black vinyl top. To me, this car just screams "LOOK AT ME!!"
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This Hemi Challenger RT wears the rather rare (for a Challenger) A22 Elastomeric Bumpers front and back ... although according to Kevin the car was not originally coded for them ... but they do look GREAT on this car.
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This Hemi wears a hat!! According to the fender tag and Kevin, this is an original Shaker hood car. The huge Shaker bubble dominates the engine compartment and obscures the massive Hemi beneath it ... but the bold "426 Hemi" callouts on the Shaker leave little doubt as to the monster hiding beneath the bubble.
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This Hemi Challenger is nicely equipped inside and out. Behind the Hemi is a 4-speed transmission with the iconic "Pistol-Grip" shifter (of course) that transfers all of the pachyderm's prodigious power (say that three times fast!!) back to the A33 Track Pack 3:54 geared Dana axle. To help control the monster B51 Power Disc Brakes are used to reign in the Challenger after bursts of rapid acceleration.
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Inside this Hemi Challenger actually has some creature comforts for elephant trainer holding the reigns. Among them are the A01 Light Group Pkg, a C16 Center Console, a H31 Rear Window Defogger, and the not so common R36 AM/FM/Cassette Radio with microphone among other things.
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Why is this guy smiling?? Besides the couple of Molsons, he is smiling because he is Kevin Kuypers the owner of this beautiful, oh excuse me, "beauty eh" Hemi Challenger RT. Lucky guy ... and a super nice guy who was a pleasure to talk to when he had his car on display at the 2017 MCACN show in Chicago.
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And maybe you caught a glimpse of the EV2 Hemi Orange Challenger to Kevin's right?? Yep, that is the infamous export '71 Hemi Challenger RT, aka the "Swiss Hemi Challenger RT" that is owned by fellow Canadian Dave Saruk. In my meaningless opinion, Kevin's Citron-Yella and Dave's Hemi-Orange Hemi Challengers are two of the finest examples of '71 Hemi Challengers that there are ... they are both beauties ... eh? Here's a pic of Kevin and Dave together with their two gorgeous '71 Hemi Challengers behind them ... smile guys!!
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Thank you for putting a face to the names, being in Canada, I've often heard of these guys, but never knew if I "knew" them.... :drinkingbud:
Thanks for the latest update , the elastomeric on the GY3 car look awesome !
Speaking of Mark Spear's '71 Hemi Challenger R/T; Troy (Mopars5150 on Instagram) the new owner, recently obtained these awesome Polaroids back when the car was new! Check out Mark driving away in it! Very cool old school pictures :yes:
Cool to have those pictures !!
Obviously a year or two old given the coil . yellow ign wires & upper rad hose etc
I saw some tan interior cars recently ... and I found myself really liking them ... a lot. For whatever reason, tan interiors were not very popular back in 1970. I don't know what the numbers actually were ... but it seems to me that you can find a lot more green, red and blue interiors than you can tan ones. Check out this tan interior Cuda and tell me what's not to like about that tan interior?? Got me what it is!!
BS23R0B187947 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 368 with an automatic. It is finished in EF8 Ivy-Green with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a beautiful PRT5 tan leather interior.
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Dressed in a modest color without too many "accessories" to draw undue attention to it, this HemiCuda is almost sedate compared to some of it's more flamboyant brethren that rolled off the same assembly line. I don't know who was it's original owner, but my guess would be that it must of been a more "mature" buyer rather than some young hot rod hooligan!!
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Don't let it's unassuming attire fool you ... underneath that business suit is the same monster that powers it's more flashy relatives. Instead of having to use a lot of muscle to keep the raging pachyderm under control, this one has some more civil accoutrements such as power steering, power brakes and an automatic transmission to help make your time with it a little less stressful.
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And now on to the really cool feature of this car ... the beautiful tan leather interior. Don't see many in this color combination, which is surprising being how nice that PRT5 tan leather interior looks with the Ivy-Green exterior.
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To me that tan leather interior just looks so ... inviting. Like a mistress it beckons you to come inside and linger a while, caressing you, not burning your buns like a black interior will do, or making you worry about getting it dirty like a white one will do. This is a no worries interior that you can spend a lot of time with and simply enjoy ... while you unleash King Kong of course!! And best of all, if King Kong gets a little to crazy and you ... ahem ... soil your pants ... with the tan interior and a good air freshener ... maybe nobody will be the wiser that you did.
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I absolutely love this picture ... it almost puts you in the driver's seat and gives you the perspective of what it would look like to be behind the wheel of this beauty. Now that's a wonderful view!!
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Back in 2015 this gorgeous HemiCuda was for sale for $189K down at RK Motors in Charlotte NC. It didn't last long and was sold and on to it's new home in a matter of only a few weeks. I don't know who bought it, or where it is now, but I'm sure that whoever is person who now owns it must thoroughly enjoy it.
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I saw this car about 30 years ago in central Alberta, owner at that time thinks it may have come from Manitoba and may have been entered in the Winnipeg World of Wheels.. The chromed out engine bay, yellow spark plug wires were still present and in decent shape. Anybody else have any info?
Thanks for keeping this thread going bro. :bradsthumb:
While scanning through my pics of 71 Hemi Challengers I found some (for me) questionable cars. Maybe someone knows something about the cars and can clarify if or if not these are genuine Hemis. Hope this is "allowed" in this thread. All pics were found somewhere in the net over the last 20 years or so.
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I found this one on the "hemiconv"-webpage. With no further description other than that it was supposed to be a Hemi. Looks like FE5 or EV2.
(https://i.ibb.co/pLLq19c/JS23-R-FE5-GK6.jpg) Looks like FE5. Found on Facebook not long ago.
(https://i.ibb.co/jDfshbM/JS23-R-FJ6-N96-02-echt.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NYQvZb3/JS23-R-FJ6-N96-05-echt.jpg) While this one looks very personalized it claimed to be a real Hemi. Judging from the background this one was in Carlisle some years ago.
(https://i.ibb.co/c6xzsCB/JS23-R-GB5-V1-W.jpg)A GB5 V1W car from a member of the Houston Mopar Club. The reversed air cleaner to fit the A/C makes me wonder about its originality.
(https://i.ibb.co/02K5zQ1/JS23-R-GB5-V1-X-A45-V6-X-Daniel-P-01.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wgC1pqH/JS23-R-GB5-V1-X-A45-V6-X-Daniel-P-02.jpg) A car owned by moparts member "DanielP" who doesn't seem to be on there anymore. Don't know if it is a genuine Hemi.
(https://i.ibb.co/Tbfv53y/JS23-R-GBx-1-B197015-D21-wrong-body.jpg) This one claims to be JS23R1B197015 and was told to be a blue color. Was for sale on ebay in 2004. Has anybody seen or heard of the car since then?
Others:
(https://i.ibb.co/kQnJmMq/JS23-R-GB5-Norm-Noble.jpg) A picture from a calendar. I read the car was/is connected to Norm Noble.
(https://i.ibb.co/n1HZLKm/JS23-R-GBx-71-Hemi-Challenger.jpg) Recently found in the net. No further infos known.
(https://i.ibb.co/JQvwb0m/JS23-R-GBx.jpg) What state is that plate from?
(https://i.ibb.co/x114jyN/JS23-R-GK6-V1-X-V6-X-G36-J81-H6-X9-Sterling-Hts.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/94w2XMr/OLYMPUS-DIGITAL-CAMERA.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vmjF6vc/OLYMPUS-DIGITAL-CAMERA.jpg) This car was for sale in Sterling Heights in 2003. Original GK6 Hemi. Anyone has a VIN?
(https://i.ibb.co/DLBHJph/JS23-R-TX9-echt.jpg) A black Hemi with OHIO plates. What became of that car? Again, does anyone know the VIN?
Alan...the car gets out occasionally, same owner for 40 years and looks same today as in your picture.
It was discussed earlier here with pictures as shown shortly after new when Freddy owned it.
Factory shaker, louver, wing, full tint, FC7, white interior 4 spd dana,
Hello group, greetings from Italy. I own Hemicuda BS23 R0B 236050. Was sold new in Italy, and is coded as such, both on the fender tag and BS. I had bought the car with a broken engine in 1986, and in the meantime I have put it back to stock after a shoddy resotration performed by me when I was young. Fixed the engine back to stock, and have restored the items taken away during resto, like vinyl top, altenrator, carbs, and distributor. I had boght the car with 10.000 km, about 6000 miles, and now sports about 21.000 km.
more pics. Steering wheel center is now the correct one
Just an original-owner, original-paint FC7 1971 Hemicuda on a late-October drive seen today!
It's rarely out, and I just happened to pass by it (In my late-model Grand Cherokee, not the Challenger, unfortunately...) this afternoon...
Not afraid to exercise it and bang the four gears still...
Ben
Happy Halloween!!
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Look!! The Great Pumpkin DOES exist!! Who knew that The Great Pumpkin was a HemiCuda?? Well, with this color combination it certainly could be!!
This pumpkin is BS23R1B202804. It is 1 of about 107 '71 HemiCuda hardtops made for the U.S. market and of those 1 of 48 with and automatic. As can be seen, it is finished in EV2 Tor-Red with a V1X black vinyl top and inside it has the H6XV orange and black interior.
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Here is a better look at the H6XV orange and black interior. The thing with the orange and black interiors is that they tend to polarize people's opinion of it ... either you hate it ... or you love it. I can certainly see it's appeal to those that are big into Halloween ... or Harley Davidsons!!
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I really do not know too much about this car. I found a pic of it on Facebook and some more pics on "Resto" Rick Kreuziger's website. Apparently it was originally a column-shift automatic. I don't know if Rick did the conversion, or if it was that way already when it came into his shop?
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I don't know who the lucky owner is, or where this car is today. But it looks like it may have been sold new out of California per the Facebook comment. Pretty cool car as I am aware of only one other '71 HemiCuda with the H6XV black and orange interior and that would be the ubiquitous Tor-Red convertible of the Blake family.
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Happy Halloween!! Have fun and stay safe!!
Quote from: RzeroB on October 31, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
Happy Halloween!!
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Look!! The Great Pumpkin DOES exist!! Who knew that The Great Pumpkin was a HemiCuda?? Well, with this color combination it certainly could be!!
This pumpkin is BS23R1B202804. It is 1 of about 107 '71 HemiCuda hardtops made for the U.S. market and of those 1 of 48 with and automatic. As can be seen, it is finished in EV2 Tor-Red with a V1X black vinyl top and inside it has the H6XV orange and black interior.
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Here is a better look at the H6XV orange and black interior. The thing with the orange and black interiors is that they tend to polarize people's opinion of it ... either you hate it ... or you love it. I can certainly see it's appeal to those that are big into Halloween ... or Harley Davidsons!!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7911/32482999967_ee793bc6a7_o.jpg)
I really do not know too much about this car. I found a pic of it on Facebook and some more pics on "Resto" Rick Kreuziger's website. Apparently it was originally a column-shift automatic. I don't know if Rick did the conversion, or if it was that way already when it came into his shop?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7809/32482999947_8da6165c45_o.jpg)
I don't know who the lucky owner is, or where this car is today. But it looks like it may have been sold new out of California per the Facebook comment. Pretty cool car as I am aware of only one other '71 HemiCuda with the H6XV black and orange interior and that would be the ubiquitous Tor-Red convertible of the Blake family.
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Happy Halloween!! Have fun and stay safe!!
Pretty positive that is the car Tim Nordella owned in the late 80's. Just read where you said it was origin from California. That about nails it.
He told me it was converted to console. Sounded like the conversion was years ago and a repaint/restore maybe at same time or still year ago. It shouldn't have been restored/painted. It was a nice survivor. It very well might be on its second paint job.
I have a pic of it from 86/87 Spring Fling I somewhere
Does anyone know who owns this vehicle currently, A friend of mine owned it and asked if i could find it for him. I would like to help put him in contact with current owner. I see its been auctioned off not meeting the reserve so my guess is its for sale? thanks for any help
shanw26@hotmail.com
Quote from: bam333 on November 07, 2020, 07:38:00 AM
Does anyone know who owns this vehicle currently, A friend of mine owned it and asked if i could find it for him. I would like to help put him in contact with current owner. I see its been auctioned off not meeting the reserve so my guess is its for sale? thanks for any help
shanw26@hotmail.com
Is he the one that restored it and converted it to floor shift?
I believe he bought it after is was wrecked then resold years later. I told him I saw it on Mecum and really would like me to find it for him. He's not internet savy. Old school....
Just noticed where Peter said it was a friend of his....
So he is definitely referring to Tim Nordella's old car.
I referring to this 70 Challenger in this article: VIN# JS23R0B157786
https://forum.e-bodies.org/search2/
Quote from: autoxcuda on November 07, 2020, 08:27:32 AM
Quote from: bam333 on November 07, 2020, 07:38:00 AM
Does anyone know who owns this vehicle currently, A friend of mine owned it and asked if i could find it for him. I would like to help put him in contact with current owner. I see its been auctioned off not meeting the reserve so my guess is its for sale? thanks for any help
shanw26@hotmail.com
Is he the one that restored it and converted it to floor shift?
Looks like he is referring to the Sublime green Hemi Challenger RT that was originally from Watertown NY ...
Yes if its Vin # is JS23R0B157786, Anyinfo is appreciated
Since it's still fall, I thought we would look at another fall colored car ...
BS23R0B157209 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4 speed. It is finished in EK2 Vitamin-C with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
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Among this cars notable features is the A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 geared Dana Axle Package, A62 Rallye Gauge Package, B51 Power Disc Brakes, G36 painted Sport Mirrors, the BOOMING 2w R11 MusicMaster AM Radio and S77 Power Steering among other things.
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This HemiCuda was ordered by a Town Chrysler Plymouth of Minneapolis MN as a dealer-ordered car. Hard as it is to believe now, this HemiCuda lingered unwanted in the dealership's showroom for well over a year. Finally in February 1971 a collector in Texas (who this collector was I do not know) somehow found out about it, bought it and placed it in his private collection where it rarely, if ever, got driven.
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With very low miles on the car, the original interior is preserved like it was almost brand new.
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Although it was built for racing, this Hemi has lead a pampered life since the day it left the showroom. Look how clean and fresh it looks - looks virtually brand new!
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After 43 years of ownership, the long time Texas owner of this car finally decided to part with it. It was featured at Mecum's 2014 Kissimmee auction. I don't know how many miles are actually on this car, but it can't be very many. It did sell and somebody (who? I don't know?) got themselves a very original low mileage pristine HemiCuda of their very own. Was it you??
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Unfortunately it was not me but nice optioned & taken care of Hemi !!
Quote from: RzeroB on November 19, 2020, 04:22:14 PM
Since it's still fall, I thought we would look at another fall colored car ...
BS23R0B157209 is 1 of about 652 made for the U.S. market, and of those 1 of 284 with a 4 speed. It is finished in EK2 Vitamin-C with V6X black "Hockey Stick" stripes and a H6X9 black vinyl interior.
Although it was built for racing, this Hemi has lead a pampered life since the day it left the showroom. Look how clean and fresh it looks - looks virtually brand new!
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After 43 years of ownership, the long time Texas owner of this car finally decided to part with it. It was featured at Mecum's 2014 Kissimmee auction. I don't know how many miles are actually on this car, but it can't be very many. It did sell and somebody (who? I don't know?) got themselves a very original low mileage pristine HemiCuda of their very own.
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It's twin car once roamed the streets of Los Gatos.
I knew the owner and he said they pulled the motor and parted it out. :Thud:
:crying:
It's "Cyber Monday" ... and I'm "shopping" cyberspace ... for clues!!
Here are some "unknowns" that I don't know a whole lot about. I found them "digging" around the internet in my seemingly never ending search for new (to me ... and maybe you too?) Hemi E-bodies. Sometimes we get lucky and find something that includes a lot of info about the car and owner. Other times it's just a few pictures and just some fragmentary information. That's the case here ... with today's appetizers I really don't know a whole lot about them ... but maybe YOU do??
Here's one I found on Moparts posted by "mopargem" on Oct 5th 2010. Per "mopargem" his friend inherited this "old car" from his aunt after his uncle had passed away. She called him and asked him if he was interested in "some old car that your uncle had that's taking up space in the garage."
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From the looks of the engine bay, everything looks like it could be original as it appears that it may have been sitting in that garage for a long time. Per the poster on Moparts, the car is a "no frills go fast car" without a whole lot of options - standard dash, no console, no stripes, etc. Being a 4-speed car and having the B51 Power Disc Brakes, I would venture to say that it probably also has the A34 Super Track Pack 4:10 Dana Axle Package underneath it too.
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"Mopargem's" friend inherited this "old car" from his aunt after his uncle had passed away. He may have been thinking that his uncle left him an old 4-door Valiant or something similar. Boy was he ever glad that his aunt called when he opened the garage door to check out the "old car that was taking up space in the garage" was this HemiCuda!! We all should be so lucky!! Speaking of "lucky" ... any luck that any of you know more about this story??
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Here's one that was posted to MyMopar dot com way back in 2002 by Jim Johnson from Memphis TN. Jim was posting a sales ad for his fully restored and documented '71 HemiCuda with 66,000 miles.
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As you can see, Jim's ad is actually pretty detailed listing all sorts of info about the car. From his ad we can see that he describes it as being an EV2 Tor-Red 4-speed car with the A33 3:54 geared Track Pack Pkg, B51 Power Disc Brakes and S77 Power Steering. He even goes as far as to list some partial fender tag data in which he lists the SPD as being 315. There is a lot of info provided ... except for a VIN. Even though Jim provides us with a lot of clues as to this car's identity ... I just haven't been able to correlate it's true identity to a known car. How about you?? Do you know Jim Johnson of Memphis TN and this car??
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This Hemi Challenger RT was featured in the July 2010 edition of Mopar Muscle magazine. It is finished in FC7 Plum-Crazy with V6W white side stripes, a V1W white vinyl top and a H6X9 black vinyl interior. It is a 4 speed car with the 4:10 geared Super Track Pack Axle Pkg behind it.
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This Hemi Challenger RT was once owned by Ken Mosier, former owner of The Finer Details restoration shop. The quality of work done by his shop can clearly be seen in the attention to detail in this engine compartment picture.
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If you think you have seen this Hemi Challenger RT somewhere else than when it was was featured in the July 2010 edition of Mopar Muscle magazine you're right! This car is now part of the The Brothers Collection and was featured in their Muscle Car of the Week video series #10. As high vis as this car is ... I still do not know it's true identity ... do you??
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How about a Hemi Challenger RT/SE'? This one one is finished in EB5 Bright Blue with a V9W white Bumblebee stripe, V21 performance hood blackout treatment, a V1W white vinyl top and the uncommon (but beautiful!) H5B5 blue and black, cloth and vinyl "Houndstooth" interior.
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Now that's a lot of blue ... but I like it! This car has to be unique in that it has the beautiful H5B5 blue and black, cloth and vinyl "houndstooth" interior AND the rarely seen S79 partial-horn-ring steering wheel.
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I think it would be pretty hard NOT to notice this car if you ever saw it ... and maybe you have?? Like Ken Mosier's former Challenger RT, this Challenger RT/SE was also featured in Mopar Muscle magazine. The article was a double feature with this Challenger RT/SE and a '70 440-6 Cuda both owned by Joe Kulick of Hughestown PA. Maybe YOU know Joe and this Challenger RT/SE??
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Finally there is this '71 Hemi Challenger RT which is one of the 12 made that year with an automatic. Being one of the 12 with an automatic ... and with the V6V fluorescent orange stripes (even though they were reportedly added and not original) you would think that it would be easy to identify ... but this one continues to vex me and my efforts to discover it's true identity.
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Interior pic showing what looks to be P31 Power Windows and the R36 AM/FM Cassette Radio among other things.
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Look familiar?? This Hemi Challenger RT was owned by the late Ron Slobe. Ron was the owner of R&R Salvage in Aurora MO which was one of the largest all-Mopar salvage yards in the country. Even though I now live in St Louis, I never made it down to Aurora to meet Ron and check out his Challenger before he passed. As such, I have never been able to determine this cars identity, or know what happened to it after Ron passed away ... do YOU??
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Well there you have my wish list for this Cyber Monday. Maybe with the collective power of the participating members here ... and a little luck ... we'll be able to get a few more leads and identify some of these?? Thanks!!
No answers from the collective "Brain Trust??" Anyone?? Anyone?? Beuller??
Sorry cant help you with the eb5 R/T-SE see vin.. i have searched for a long time.. but the closest i have been to it is this car.. but w/o the v9w butt stripe.. dont know the vin of this one either.. or if it is the same car.. ?
Also, here is a video of your car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa0ekmaPF2E
Here is another unrestored 70 Hemi chally in FY1.. JS23R0B221825 see pictures
Quote from: RzeroB on September 28, 2017, 05:14:10 PM
Our next car was the first '70 HemiCuda built for sale in Canada :canada: That car was BS23R0B111658 and it was sold new out of St Felix de Kingsey Quebec.
Per Gilbert Ramsay of "Vintage 1970-4 Barracuda & Challenger Pictures" facebook page, this car was originally a FE5 Rallye-Red, V1X black vinyl top with V6X hockey stick stripes, and a H6X9 black interior automatic car. He says the car also had the A22 Elastomeric Bumpers Package, A62 Rallye Gauges Package, C16 Center Console and a M91 Luggage Rack among other things.
In the mid '70's Gilbert's friend bought the car and did a little "customizing" to it. He changed the color to green and performed a couple of other custom modifications to it as can be seen in this picture.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-111658_1.jpg&hash=a91125469ef488d873c84d1c380cc44e70a1de96)
Note the added "duck-tail" spoiler, mud flaps, extended leaf spring shackles, protruding exhaust tips and the "double" hockey stick stripes! Hey, it was the '70's so this is relatively mild compared to some of the more "creative" 'customs that came out of that era! Here is a better picture of the front hockey stick stripe, although it is in black and white.
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1087.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj479%2Ftomravak%2FHemi%2520E-Bodies%2F1970%2520Cudas%2F70CU-111658b_1.jpg&hash=7d9583ead333483444dd10dc3aa8d9004c866110)
Interesting double hockey stick stripe treatment isn't it? Anyway, according to Gilbert, at some later point (he doesn't say when) the car was eventually re-purchased by the original owner, restored back to original, and the two of them are together again living happily ever after. :woohoo: Unfortunately these are the only two pics of this car that I have. It would be great to see it restored back to it's glossy Rallye-Red glory, so if you have some pics of this car post 'em up! :thankyou:
For sale in glossy Rallye-Red... :drooling:
Asking: US$ 498,000 :bigmoney:
Link: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/plymouth/cuda/2322213.html